''Peacekeepers''? Or mercenary soldiers?

As for Godane and Fuad, They both lived in places outside of Mogadishu and if they really want to practice what they preach start closer at home. One came from Sweden to Somalia and wants to solve the many problems in Mogadishu by a fake Jihad. The other came from Hargaisa and wants to ''free Mogadishu and Somalia'' from Habashi lackey rule while Northern Somalia is run by Habashi lackeys. Start closer at home and practice what you preach.

There has been much fuss and confusion about the notion Mogadishu society . Much of this has been caused by those that for political (and in other instances clannist) reasons have a bad taste when they hear the word Mogadishu . So it is not surprising to us that so far secessionists and regional-clannists have tried to distort the notion in order to undermine it. Moreover, In an age where clannists, secessionists, and Islamist warlords prevail in politics it is understandable that there is no room for views that transcend the current distorted political thoughts in Somalia. But as we all know time is not static and things change, ideas of today may as well become the dominant paradigm of tommorow. And those who do not accept the status quo are the likely introducers of new thoughts on how to organize society and eventually restore peace and dignity to the Somali nation. What do we mean with the notion Mogadishu society ? It is simple and one should understand it as it is written: (civil) society in the city of Mogadishu. The inhabitants of the city and the many civil organizations and groups that try to survive amids anarchy. Mogadishu has been the epicentre of anarchy since 1991 due to the utter political failure of the socalled ''leaders'' (read: warlords, political and religious pretenders). Amids this anarchy and utter political failure there lies a society that is comprised of more than 1.5 million people who have not only endured anarchy and constant warfare but succeeded to astonish the world by proving that society can function and even prosper under these severe conditions. In the city we had before the massive displacement (as a consequence of the occupation and its aftermath): - Student organizations, women organizations, professionals, religious organizations, private business entreprises and thousands of small businesses run by women and men who tried to survived amids anarchy. All these societal groups were diverse and the economic activity of the city attracted thousands of Somali families from diverse regions across Somalia. So by stressing out society instead of the different political groups and clans in a city we can show the common needs and threats the inhabitants of a city face. Making people aware of their common desires and fears is the first step towards uniting people. ------------------ MMA: You are closer to Mogadishu than I am sxb. Clan-wise I'm from Hiiraan so please do not misintrepret the notion Mogadishu society as something clannish.

^^ One who openly supports ''Somaliland'' is a secessionist. If you supported that secessionist entity in the past but repented for your crimes(causing division and fitnah) than may Allah accept your prayers LOL. I hope Alshababism will not dissapoint you. PS: I always confused u with Red.Sea because of the same writing style. I guess he is still the secessionist supporter?

^^ Did he lived in Mogadishu? Or did he came from Sweden to partake in a ''Jihad'' that contributed to the displacement of more than 200.000 people? As I said: clan-infested individuals will try everything to distort the notion into a clan meaning. Seek professional help sxb. PS: I was born and raised in Mogadishu yet I live in a European country and thus am a member of that society. Seek help for your clan-obsession.

Great job on Mogadishu University! With peace and stability, that city would have outperformed any other capital in Eastern Africa without doubt.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: looool at ayeeyonka, meiji, you have have some explaining to do, are all about this this m society isbaaro, by the the way, this m society is all most all part of the Somali Diaspora NN, You do not even comprehend the meaning of the notion ''Mogadishu society'', so dont even comment on the term. That society will always function and can never be destroyed by whatever power. As we speak, Mogadishu University (educational institution) has educated 350 teachers that will lecture in secondary and higher schools across Somalia. The professors, students, traders, elders, religious leaders etc all are still doing what they have been doing before the conflict: fulfilling their tasks and societal responsibilities. Ofcourse, they will adjust to the war circumstances. Clan-infested individuals on SOL may try to distort the notion of Mogadishu society to a nickname for a particular clan, but it is clear to all that Mogadishu city has always been and still is the most diverse city in Somalia. That was the case in the previous centuries, and that will be the case in the coming centuries. -------------------- -------------------- --------- http://www.hiiraan.c om/news/2009/July/wa rarka_maanta18-7018. htm Jaamacadda Muqdisho oo 350 Macalimiin ah tababar u soo gabgabeysay, shahaaddooyinna siisay Sabti, July 18, 2009(HOL): Macallimiin tiradoodu gaarayso 350 oo ka kala socday gobollada dalka gaar ahaan kuwa koonfureed ayay jaamacadda Muqdisho u soo gabagabeysay tababar u socday muddo hal todobaad ah iyagoo la guddoonsiiyay shahaadooyinka. Xaflad lagu qabtay Khamiistii (16-kii July 2009) Hotel Shamoow ee magaalada Muqdisho ayaa lagu gudoonsiiyay macallimiintan oo wax ka dhiga dugsiyada hoose iyo dhexe ee aasaasiga ah isuguna jiray rag iyo dumar shahaadooyin muujinaya tababarkii ay qaateen oo ahaa habka waxbaridda ubadka iyo sidii loola dhaqmi lahaa. Mas'uliyiinta Jaamacadda Muqdisho iyo xubno kale oo ka socday dalladaha waxbraashada ee dalka ayaa waxay halkaas ka jeediyeen hadallo kala duwan oo ay ku cabirayaan waxbarashada iyo qiimaha ay u leedahay bani'aadamka. "Jaamacadda Muqdisho ma ahan markii ugu horreysay oo ay tababar u qabato macalimiin Soomaaliyeed oo wax ka dhiga dugsiyada hoose, dhexe iyo sare ee Somalia" ayuu yiri Aadan Axmed Xuseen oo ah madaxii tababarkan, isla markaana ah agaasimaha xafiiska guddoomiyaha jaamacadda Muqdisho. Aadan wuxuu intaas ku daray in dhawaan ay gobollo dalka ka mid ah ku qaban doonto Jaamacaddu tababar noocan oo kale ah, si loo kor loogu qaado aqoonta waxbarida ee Macallimiinta Soomaaliyeed. "Intii tababarkan uu socday, waxay macallimiintu qaateen casharo u dhigma inta uu qaato arday muddo saddex ah dhiganayay jaamacadda Muqdisho kulliyadeeda waxbarashada" ayuu yiri hormuudka kulliyada Waxbarashada Jaamacadda Muqdisho Dr. C/llaahi Sheekh Abuubakar oo xafladda hadal kooban ka jeediyay. Xubnihii kale ee xafladda ka hadlay waxaa ka mid ahaa: Guddoomiyaha Daladda Waxbarashada FPENS Bashiir M. Yuusuf (Badal), Diiwaan-hayaha Guud ee Jaamacadda Muqdisho Dr. Maxamed Xuseen Ciise (Liibaan) iyo xubno kale, waxayna dhammaantood ku nuuxnuuxsadeen ahmiyadda waxbarashada. Qaar ka mid ah macallimiintii guddoomay tababarka dhameystay oo iyaguna hadlay ayaa waxay sheegeen inay aad uga faa'iideysteen tababarkii muddada sitimaanka ah u socday, ayna wax badan ka barteen. "Waqtiga duruusta iyo macallimiintu waxay ahaayeen kuwo isku dheellitiran, runtiina waxaan kaga mahadcelinaynaa Jaamacadda Muqdisho oo tababarkan soo agaasintay" ayuu yiri mid ka mid ah macallimiintii tababrka dhameystay. Tababarkan oo sannadkiiba mar ay Jaamacadda Muqdisho u qabato macalimiinta wax ka dhiga gobollada dalka ayaa waxay iska kaashadeen fulintiisa Bankiga horumarinta Islaamka. Jaamacadda Muqdisho oo la aasaasay (22-kii September 1997) ayaa waxaa ka qalin jabiyay 9-dufcadood oo bartay qaybaha kala duwan ee cilmiga, waxayna qaarkood ka yihiin macalimiin, iyadoo jaamacadda ay kaalinta 40-aad ka gashay Jaamacadaha Afrika, waxayna ka mid tahay lix urur oo kale.

Originally posted by Red Sea: You and your so call M society do not have the capacity to run a town properly. What Alshabab has done is liberate yours behind when you were at the mercy of the Ethiopian war machine while the poeple like Sh. Hotel turned their tale and ran off to the border and fled. What a silly secessionist. Alshabab, ICU, and the Islamic Revolution are all product of Mogadishu society that endured 18 years of lawlessness and warlordism. The father of Alshabab, Macalin Cayrow and the current main leaders are from Mogadishu and stood up against the warlord rule in the city. Those men did not go to Hargaisa or Somali-Galbeed to solve the problems there and salvage the Somali civilians from the Xabashi lackey rule. They looked instead inward and tackled the immediate problems in their surroundings: that of Mogadishu and Southern Somalia. Godane should do the same and tackle the Xabashi lackey rule in Hargaisa and rally the Somalis in that part of Somalia behind his Jihad cause. That is if he is not a secessionist agent.

Puntland-Propagandis ts & SOL public, Insha Allah, In the coming days I will post historical excerpts from books and papers that will expose the treacherous nature of the two chieftains. Lets see how history went and what the ''Puntland Propagandists'' want to sell on SOL forum. But now, I must get some rest! Stay tuned...

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Meiji is only stating facts people I am indeed stating facts and I can bombard this thread with humiliating historical facts that will expose how weak and treacherous the tribal chieftains of Bari and Hobyo were. They played a KEY ROLE in the colonization of Southern Somalia by Italy. Colonial history is certainly not on the side of those two chieftains and one should not distort history. PS: The traitors were the two chieftains only, the Somalis from the regions those two chieftains ruled were ofcourse like the other Somalis in the other regions: freedom-loving and fiercly opposed to been subjugated by foreign powers.

Puntland was also the last fort of Somalia during the colonisers advancement into the Somalia. It was only in 1927 that the colonisers conquered the Kingdom of Osman Mahmoud in modern day Puntland State. After an ferocious bombardment from the sea which destroyed the Kingdoms major cities facing onshore. ''Puntland'' did not exist back then. If you mean the two chieftains who ruled Bari and Hobyo than you are re-writing history. Those two chieftains were the ones who invited Italians and placed their lands under Italian protectorate as the first Somali groups in Southern Somalia. If it wasn't for their invitation the Italians might as well have become frustrated with getting a foothold on the East African coast. History is written and is available to all.

Those from Pakistan, Afganistan, Arab World. PS: ''Somaliland'' is still part of Somalia. So stop dreaming, you are a Somali citizen of SOMALIA.

^^ Mr.Red Sea: Difference between Egypte and ''Somaliland'': the latter does not exist. As for Godane, he should practice what he preaches and take the example of men like Cayrow, Abu Mansuur, Xasan Turki, Aweys etc. All those men have brought the Jihad they believe in to the regions their clans hail from in order to rally their group behind the cause while they operate on the national scene too. Hence, why Abu Mansuur liberated Baay/Bakool, why Xasan Turki liberated L/Jubba and why Cayrow and Aweys liberated Galgaduud. Godane should liberate Northern Somalia from the Xabashi Lackeys and speak out against them.

The reason why none of the Alshabab and TFG supporters defended their side is because of the fact that they KNOW that BOTH camps are hypocrites and are engaged in a bitter struggle for political power. BOTH do not care for the Somali nation nor for the future of Somalia as an independent and prosperous country. They have BOTH brought in NON-SOMALI fighters to SOMALIA which has led to SOMALI civilians to be displaced and massacred. Should they be held accountable for this NATIONAL TREASON? They should, since they are no different than the previous widely despised warlords in Somalia. Insha allah, they will end up like the previous warlords in Somalia: dustpin of history.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiy aar: Kamoon ninyahoow. You didn't have to be that nuanced and write an essay. Yes, it was a yes-or-no question. You think if Riyaale threatened tomorrow that he wouldn't ask Xabashi help. Don't you think he is in their hands already? Doesn't he perform what they ask of him, without any questions uu weydiiyo. He hands out Reer Soomaali Galbeed; he secretly allows them to use Berbera. He doesn't raise a word when they cross the so-called 'border.' MMA, Dont waste time on this hypocrite, because how in the hell can he overlook the Habashi lackeys like Riyaale who perform their monthly haji to Addis Abebba?? How can he overlook the selling of SOMALI CIVILIANS to Meles Zenawi as ''ONLF fighters''?? How can he overlook the use of Berbera port by TPLF regime?? How can he overlook the clannish and anti-Somali attidute of the elite that propagates the secessionist agenda (''Somaliland'')?? Godane needs to tackle those problems and Mr.Red Sea needs to look inward instead of acting like a hypocrite. PS: Watch as all secessionist supporters crawl into this place and try to refute the criticism of the situation in Northern Somalia. That alone will prove the hypocricy of Mr.Red.Sea Part-time Alshabab Part-time ''Somaliland'' supporter.

^^ As we all knew, you are propagating for Alshabab when it comes to Southern Somalia, but when we apply the same reasoning to the secessionist region you suddenly get nuanced. Riyaale and the other remnants of the old order need to be tackled by Alshabab like the remnants of the old order have been tackled in Soutern Somalia. You are a hypocrite as is Godane dude who propagates for Jihad in Xamar and calls people ''murtad'' from left to right while Hargaisa is ruled by Ethiopian lackeys. He should focus on defeating the Habashi lackeys in Hargaisa and Northern Somalia in general. PS: A secessionist should not even talk to me when it comes to nationalism and the General Interest of Somalia.

LOOOOOL Amin arts is on the spot again!!! The extremists do not know how to save the Somali nation from fire but instead make it worse by their ignorance and utter incompetence.

By now it is a fact that BOTH sides deploy foreign fighters to assist them in their campaign for political power. My Question to all sane Somalis is: - Are the foreign fighters both deploy any different? On one hand we have the extremists who are affiliated to Al Qaida and proudly defend their links to that international organization. Besides them are the old school Al itixiad group (Xisbi islam) who receives armaments and financial support from Eritrea and other regional/global groups (Libya, Saudi etc). The Xisbi Islam never denied their links to Eritrea nor the support they have from Arab world. On the other hand we have the socalled Islamic government which is created in a foreign country and is heavily controlled by foreign powers (Western powers). Both sides have foreign fighters to aid them in their campaign, yet both accuse each other of bringing foreign fighters to Somalia. Accusations made by both camps: - The extremists accuse the foreign-created regime of bringing AMISOM (''gaalo'') to Somalia and that the regime is a puppet of foreign powers. - The foreign-created regime accuses the extremists of bringing international jihadi fighters to Somalia and that the group is linked to Al Qaida. Excuses used by both camps: - The extremists call the foreign fighters they have brought to Somalia: ''muslim brothers who want to help us'' - The foreign-created regime call the foreign fighters they have brought to Somalia: ''peacekeepers who want to assist Somalia''. Now, dear public of SOL: Are both camps not deploying foreign fighters? Are both camps not linked to foreign actors that are waging their proxy war in Somalia? Are both camps not causing tremendous bloodshed to thousands of Somali civlians? Are both camps not waging a bloody war to gain political power, forget the fancy intentions they use to cover the underlying fact: bloodthirsty campaign to attain political power. You be the Judge!

Originally posted by GoldCoast: quote:Originally posted by Red Sea: Masha Allah. We need more. Incredible,what is the difference between a foreigner wearing an AMISOM uniform killing and maiming Somali citizens, or the one in the video traveling to Somalia with only that specific intent in my mind. Not to provide education, not to provide medicine or any positive factors , but only offering more death and destruction and this is what you deem worthy of congratulation?? In regards to the video itself despite the obvious hypocrisy of it all, it is typical of CNN favorite Nic Robertson to have all his reports riddled with inconsistencies. Foreign fighters are foreign fighters.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiy aar: Baddacas, su'aal ayaan ku weydiinaa, haa ama maya ugu jawaab. Su'aal wax ku qarsana ma'aha, waa su'aal caadi ah. Su'aasha oo ah: Ninkaan Godane la yiraahdo hadduu beri Hargeysa tago, kagana dhawaaqo 'jihaad,' uguna waco kuwa meesha ka taliyo 'murtad' iyo wixii lamid ah, maku raaci lahayd aragtidaas? Haa mise maya ku filan jawaabta. Very good question! I would never trust a person who does not practice what he preaches. I have respect for Cayrow, Abu Mansuur, Turki and Aweys for they practice what they preach: namely bringing Jihad to the regions in which the groups which they hail from live. We may disagree with their worldview and bloodthirsty struggle for political power, but we must acknowledge the fact that they practice what they preach and involve their communities into their struggle. For example, Cayrow is the guy who went to Dhusomareeb and called on the Ugaas of the clan to resign and the region to be ruled by Islamic Law. Abu Mansuur is the guy who went to Baay/Bakool and fought the puppet/warlord administrations in those regions. Xasan Turki is the guy who started his struggle from Raas Kamboni and made sure that Jubba regions is ruled by Islamic Law. That is what I call courage and purity. PS: I wouldn't be surprised if Godane was a secessionist agent working for the agenda of the secessionist entity: making sure Somalia stays in perpetual warfare in order for the secessionist cause to exist.

Godane fighting

Originally posted by AYOUB: quote:Originally posted by Meiji: Silly clannist notion ''Somalilanders''. Just call them SOMALIS who lived in Mogadishu city. I prefer calling them 20th Century Ex-Mogadishu Society. Joking aside, they (AUN) were killed because of something more specific than "SOMALIS who lived in Mogadishu city". But denial is a river soo mahaa? They were killed because they hailed from a Somali clan which has its deegaans in Northern Somalia and as such were accused of been affiliated with the SNM. The oppressive dictatorial regime committed sort like crimes against many different Somali clans. If ''Somalilander'' means been part of that clan, than one should not expect other clans to jump on board.

Originally posted by Dhagax-Tuur: Waar ummada xumadu heyso yaa wax u sheega. Qabiil dawlad (goboleed or otherwise) ma noqdo . The only way forward is unity of all Somalis whichever part of Somalia. This can only come when the thugs are uprooted and justice iyo midnimo returns, insha Allah. Well Said. Let them dream of Garowe been the capital of their ''new republic''. That dream will be a wasted effort and time like the ''Somaliland Republic'' dream.

Silly clannist notion ''Somalilanders''. Just call them SOMALIS who lived in Mogadishu city. Those 47 Somalis that were massacred by the oppressive dictatorship should not be forgotten.

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