^^ The irony is: I oppose the whole foreign-created regime and laugh at how people like Dukey want to side with their adeer every time the tfg ship risks sinking. PS: Has Dukey made promotion? Instead of been the 24/7 Pro-tolka Propaganda machine on SOL, he is now the manager of a whole team of newbies who now have taken over his 24/7 PR work on SOL.

It just doesn't make sense why they would be against having the training on Somali soil. Jabuti is Somali SOIL.

In all the previous Pres-PM struggles this was Duke's choice: Geedi vs A.Yusuf Geedi was bad, A.Yusuf good Nur Adde vs A.Yusuf Nur Adde was bad, A.Yusuf is good. Sharmarke vs Sh.Sharif Sharmaarke good, Sh.Sharif bad What else did we expect from a person who would swear on his clan?

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiy aar: quote:Originally posted by Meiji: Thats an old video. Depressing, but buildings that are destroyed can be rebuilt. Lives that are lost can not be revived! So think about the countless Somali civilians that have perished ever since 1978, and more so since 1991. It is from 2006, markee Maxkamadaha Xamar qabsadeen, xaafadahaas iyo degmooyinkaas amaankooda yaraana furmeen. One can even see Xamar's beauty even in its senseless destruction. Indeed

Thats an old video. Depressing, but buildings that are destroyed can be rebuilt. Lives that are lost can not be revived! So think about the countless Somali civilians that have perished ever since 1978, and more so since 1991.

They sound more like nationalist movement than religious one! If they were nationalist they would not make a distinction between foreign fighters (non-Somali fighters). Welcoming foreign fighters from Pakistan/Afganistan/ Middle East while opposing African foreign fighters. If they were nationalist they would not waste time in implementing their radical religious laws but would try to restore and rebuild war-torn Somalia. If they were nationalist they would not allign themselves with Al-Qaida and invite in foreign Jihadi fighters under the cover of ''muslim brothers who want to help us'' If they were nationalist they would not bring down the Somali flag from the places they conquer and host the black flag. If they were nationalist they would behave more Somali than Arabic (i.e. name of their movement and their leaders). If they were nationalist they would enter into an alliance with the other Wadani people out there instead of calling them ''murtad'' whenever they agree with their radical religious tendencies. Let us not fool ourselves, these guys are far from nationalist. Stating the obvious (the slow takeover of Northern Somalia by Oromo/Amhara) does not make one a nationalist.

Dukey and his clones: You can play blame games if you want, but do not degrade this forum with your constant calaacal and cuqdad. The MODS should tackle these clones or come out of the closet (i.e. supporting their views etc).

In many ways the Northeastern groups are turning into becoming the Northwestern groups. Constant cuqdad, calaacal, cudur-qabiil and constantly threatening with ''breaking down from Somalia''. Get over the past, and let us look towards the future. MMMA/MODS, You should lock down this thread, it serves no purpose but for cuqdad-ridden people to air their grievances while the Somali nation is struggling to leave the past behind and stand on its own feet again.

Shiikh C/raxmaan Macow oo markii uu shirkan jaraa’id qabanayay ay dhinacyadiisa fadhiyeen kaliya Odayaasha Dhaqanka Gobolka ayaa wuxuu sheegay in uu go’aankan qaatay kaddib markii sida uu yiri ay talada gobolka u wareegtay dhinaca Muqdisho (Mas’uuliyiinta Dowladda Soomaaliya), wuxuuna carrabka ku dhuftay in Ciidamo Itoobiyaan ah oo labo jeer soo galay Beledweyne aysan ammarkooda ku soo gelin. http://www.hiiraan.c om/news/2009/Aug/war arka_maanta31-7378.h tm So, yesterday they agreed with him and today they opposed him? Or is this the hiiraan-way of blackmailing the foreign-created regime since every region is blackmailing and pressuring the on-paper-central government.

Originally posted by Juje: quote:Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Why do I get the feeling Gaweto and Mr. Somalia are one and the same? Not only that, waxan kalo shaki ku jirrin in ay ka goos heystaan madaxda SOL - with their continuos uncurtailed abusive manner and provocative writting can only be termed as having the blessing of the authority in here. Indeed, I blame the admin of this place. Either he agrees with them silently and thus supports them or he doesn't give a phuck about this Forum.

The Governor said that his administration took the decision after it became apparent to him that the region’s power has gradually been transferred to Mogadishu and decision important to the region are being made in Mogadishu. He cited as an example the two times Ethiopian troops invaded Beledweyne city, the regional headquarters, which he said came at the request of Mogadishu and not his administration http://www.hiiraan.c om/news2/2009/Aug/hi iraan_governor_decla res_independence_fro m_the_central_govern ment.aspx If its true, good decision. No collaboration with Habashi!

^^ You should learn to read. AGREEMENT 1 BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND ITALY CONCERNING CLAIMS OF CERTAIN BRITISH AND ITALIAN PROTECTED PERSONS AND COLONIAL SUBJECTS ARISING OUT OF RAIDS AND INCIDENTS ON THE ANGLO-ITALIAN FRONTIER IN SOMALILAND .

Originally posted by djibsomali: Does it need intelligence to just see the obvious?? or are some of us just dumb?? It clearly says: AGREEMENT 1 BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND ITALY CONCERNING CLAIMS OF CERTAIN BRITISH AND ITALIAN PROTECTED PERSONS AND COLONIAL SUBJECTS ARISING OUT OF RAIDS AND INCIDENTS ON THE ANGLO-ITALIAN FRONTIER IN SOMALILAND . SIGNED AT BIHEN, SEPTEMBER 2, Therefore only those clans that have individual at the frontier would request compensation. hence the actual tribes name listed. Some people are either too ignorant to comprehend what they are putting forward or too desperate to burry their treacherous and dark history. It is no coincidence that the two Northeastern chieftains were one of the first Somali chiefs to sell Somali lands to a European power. They were instrumental in Italian colonization of Somalia. It is safe to say that the only serious resistance Italy faced in Southern Somalia was that of Banadir, in which the Shabelle valley played a keyrole.

Xoogagga Xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin oo mar kale gudaha u soo galay Xaafadda Howl-wadaag ee Magaalada Beledweyne Sabti, August 22, 2009(HOL): Xoogagga Xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin oo ka mid ah dhinacyda ka soo horjeeda Dowladda Soomaaliya ayaa mar kale gudaha u soo galay Xaafadda Howl-wadaag ee Magaalada Beledweyne oo ay shalay isaga baxeen kadib markii ay Magaalada soo galeen Ciidamo Itoobiyaan ah oo ay la socdaan Ciidamo ka tirsan kuwa Dowladda Soomaaliya oo markii ay ka baxeen Xaafadda Howl-wadaag Xoogagga Xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin la wareegay. Laakiin wax yar uun kaddib markii ay dib u laabteen Ciidamadii Itoobiya ee soo galay Magaalada Beledweyne waxaa mar kaliya laga maqlay maqribnimadii xalay Xaafadda Howl-wadaag rasaas culus oo ay is-weydaarsanayaan Ciidamada Dowladda iyo kuwa Xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin oo si rasmi xalay ula wareegay gacan ku heynta Xaafadda Howl-wadaag ee Magaalada Beledweyne. Ciidamada Dowladda Soomaaliya ayaa difaac uga jira Buundada LiiqLiiqato oo ah bar ay ku hardamaan labada dhinac, waxaana mar marka qaar la maqlayaa rasaas culus oo ay isku ridayaan Ciidamada isku hor fadhiya Buundada. Dadka ku dhaqan Magaalada Beledweyne ayaa si weyn uga cabsi qaba dagaal ku dhaxmara magaalada dhinacyada iska soo horjeeda xili waliba la guda galay Bisha Barakeysan ee Ramadaan, waxaana si gaar ah wal walkan u muujinaya ganacsatada magaalada ee xiliyada habeenkii shaqeysta inta lagu guda jiro Bisha Ramadaan. C/raxmaan Diini, Hiiraan Online diini@hiiraan.com

The current Somali factions are really pathetic! On one side we have the pathetic militia of the foreign-created regime that is heavily depended on the Ethiopians and foreign countries for every move they make. They are literally escorted to locations inside the country by the Ethiopians or Ugandans/Burundians. Their supporters will undoubtly argue that the Ethiopians or AMISOM were not involved in their ''victories'' but how do they explain the mere fact that the current assaults are organized and launched from border-towns: Doolow/Buulo Xaawo (Gedo), Yeed (Bakool), Jawiil/Feerfeer (Hiiraan)? Also, how do they explain the fact that whenever AMISOM moves their pathetic militia is behind them? On the other side we have the pathetic militia of the religious pretenders who always talk about Jihad against Kuffaar and how brave and holy they are. Yet so far they always dissapear when the Kuffaar (Ethiopians-AMISOM) come to their bases and as soon as the Kuffaar leave they pick up their balls from the ground and act brave again. How come they do not even confront the foreign soldiers by at least conducting hit-and-run tactics?. They always dissapear faster than snow in the hot deserts of Africa. Their supporters will undoubtly argue that this is called guerrilla warfare, but it is not! In all guerrilla warfares in history, the guerrilla movements have always retreated when they were weak and resorted to hit-and-run attacks. But in the religious pretenders's case, they have huge land under control which means alot of resources. On top of that, they have the means necessary to at least conduct hit-and-run tactics. In conclusion As I have argued many times, the current camps are two ears of the same donkey that contributes to the destruction of the country and suffering of the Somali people. The sooner we all realise that the better it will be.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: ^I don't know how I could be wrong the about Ethio invasion, I opposed then, and I oppose it now. Well said, no matter how much we may oppose the religious pretenders and current factions one thing is 100% CLEAR: - No Ethiopian invasion and occupation of Somalia. No Sane Somali would ever tolerate let alone support Ethiopian invasion and occupation of Somalia. We opposed it yesterday, oppose it today and will oppose it in the future. Only a shameless pathetic Somali would support Ethiopian invasion and occupation of Somalia.

Your main point is: apologise to a veteran-traitor. A man who from 1978-2008 engaged in nothing but treachery and used Ethiopian military support in his every military adventure. A man who brought to Somalia nothing but misery and destruction and who is the trendsetter for all current traitors and future traitors. A man who is dead more worth to Somalia than alive. A man who should have been executed in 1978 for his National Treason. Somalia's history surely would have been different. Again, do not insult our intelligence and memory. A.Yusuf was a traitor in 1978, 2008, and he will die as a Traitor who left behind a 30 year legacy of treachery.

So Yusufites thought about the people when they chearleaded for the invasion and occupation of Somalia by Ethiopia? Dont insult our memory.

His 30 years treachery speaks volumes. The actions of Sharif nor the actions of any individual in the future can not change the dark 30 years of treachery. 1978: Launched from Ethiopia a failed coup d'etat. 1978: Created the first clan-based Jabhad SSDF that would be an Ethiopian-supported faction. The predecessor of the current factions that are supported by Ethiopia. 1978-1982: Launched several attacks on Somali soil from Ethiopia 1982-1984: Invaded Somali cities/towns on top of Ethiopian tanks. 1992-1998: Defeated Al itixiad and his opponent Jamac Ali Jamac with Ethiopian military support. We can safely say that the current shamefull treachery many Somali warlords engage in are all inspired by the famoust treachery of A.Yusuf. A.Yusuf is a true trendsetter, -He engaged in national treason at a time all Somalis could not imagine such thing was possible. -He used Ethiopian army for his selfish warlord goals: his war with Al itixiad in Bari, his war with Jamac ali Jamac post 2002 -He became president-on-paper with Ethiopian support. -He spearheaded the invasion and occupation of Somalia by Ethiopia. - He was the first Somali who called himself ''president'' and was guarded in Villa Somalia by Ethiopians, who also occupied ministery of defence and all key locations in Somalia. If A.Yusuf was executed in 1978, Somalia's history would have went differently. No more clan-based Jabhado, no more warlords who would use Ethiopian army to achieve their selfish political goals.

In any case, the thoroughbred Islamic Somali tribesman of noble cushitic and Arabian origins have no beef with Duke or his Yusufites. That was all yesterdayz beef. Now we have an alliance of convenience, ya duke. The intellectual and peaceful beef is now with the Sharifites. And we want to see what points they bring forth, if any How can you have an alliance with those who spearheaded Ethiopian invasion and occupation of Somalia yesterday? You should oppose the traitors of yesterday and those of today without giving up on your princples. Judging by your ''alliances of convenience'' mentality you will have no problem into collaborating with the Sharifites tomorrow when it becomes Alshabab VS Xisbi Islam. Only opportunists enter into ''alliance of conveniences'' with those they erstwhile despised. As I said: You should oppose the traitors of yesterday, the traitors of today and those that will come tommorow. No distinction should be made between traitors, they should be all denounced and relentlessly opposed.

Dukey, We all have witnessed how shameless Yusufites were organizing pro-Ethiopia demo's amids a brutal Ethiopian occupation of Somalia. As for your pathetic bitterness, get over it. Dont become a broken record, you supported Ethiopian invasion/occupation of Somalia yesterday so support them again. We opposed them yesterday, and we will oppose them today!

Dukey, At least people demonstrated back then against Ethiopian occupation and will demonstrate again. The supporters of A.Yusuf were shameless in demonstrating for the continuation of the Ethiopian occupation. That record for shame and treachery is still on the name of Yusufites.

Ciidamo Itoobiyaan ah oo gudaha u galay magaalada Beledweyne Jimco, August 21, 2009(HOL): Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Beledweyne ee Xarunta Gobolka Hiiraan ayaa sheegaya in ay magaaladaas gudaha u galeen Ciidamo Itoobiyaan ah oo dhawaanahan ku sugnaa duleedka magaaladaas. Ciidamadan Itoobiyaanka ah oo aad u hubeysan ayaa markii ay soo gaareen Magaalada Beledweyne, waxay fariisimo ka sameysteen goobo muhiim u ah isu socodka magaalada sida Buundada Liiq Liiqato. Ciidamadan ayaa markii ay Magaalada soo galeen waxay saameyn ku yeesheen dadka ku dhaqan magaalada oo goobahooda ganacsiga xiray, kaddibna guryahooda iska aaday, wallow haatan la soo sheegayo in magaalada ay dib u furmeyso. Ciidamo ka amar qaata Dowladda Soomaaliya ayaa lagu soo warramayaa in ay u gudbeen dhinaca galbeed ee magaalada, halkaas oo ay shalay soo gaareen xoogagga ka soo horjeeda Dowladda Soomaaliya. Wixii ku soo kordha Xaaladda Magaalada Beledweyne kala soco halkan haddii Alle idmo. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis), Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

Dukey, I do not care for what militia took what, but dont spread misinformation about Beledweyne. One xaafad does not mean its 50% of the city, dont mistake Beledweyne for Qardho or Garowe. Beledweyne consists of many districts and Hawl Wadaag is just one of it.