Originally posted by SmithNwestern: Third, as a soldier President Abdullahi fought Ethiopia on two wars, 1964 and 1978 in which his bravery and valour have never been questioned. Now people are trying to convince us that as President he will sell out his country, does that make sense? Yes my dear friend they are naive or full of hate on the question of before 1978 , but please can you elaborate more on what sort of relation were between our PRESIDENT and the Ethipian Government post 1978 , and especially over the last five/six years. Sell out, how dare they say that when he is the President of Somalia..? :confused:

Najua hebu ni elese Osama ita faidika vipi?

It is ofcourse because of Ramadan I miss this comment: Originally posted by Nationalist: OG Girl, I have advice for you my dear. Know what you're talking about and don't let your emotions take over. How dare you nationalist hurl slur at the Princess in my presence.

Wonder why he emerges everytime Bush needs popularity vote? Think of this and the question whether he really exists will come across.

President Abdulahi Yusuf hasn't given Jumatatu or JB any reason to support him! Abdulahi Yusuf has yet to convince reer Muqdisho and all other Somalis that he plans to stand for siinaan, midnimo, iyo cadaalad. ] Need I say more..! But n what you should be correcting Mr.Smith it is this mentality held by many of the President's supporters Nationalist : May I add that Yusuf had Ethiopian infantry batallions under his command before when he ousted extremist semi-tribal terrorist group Al Itihad and Arta henchman Col Jama Ali Jama from Pland. this was not a best keeped secret at that time, but what astonishes me now is the fact that some are proud of using Ethiopian army against their brethens....cajiib foqqal cajiib. On the question of we who our candidate lost the election Mr.Smith, we support the process and respect the outcome, and we will be part of its implementaton as long as it is under the guidelines of the charter that govern the 'reconciliation' government. But if the President deviates from the process trust me we fear none.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: if and only if parliament approves it. yep right on the point..but did you consider the parliament did not approve the seek for it in the first place. So I wonder will it be ever consulted?

Kulankii shalay ay isugu yimadeen Barlamaanka KMG ayaa waxaa ka dhacay buuqbadan kadib markii uu sicad u sheegay Madaxweynaha DFKMG Cabdulaahi Yuusuf Axmed in uusan hoos imaan doonin maamulka Puntland Barlamaankaan iyo dowlada cusub taasoo ka fajicisay inta badan xildhibaanada oo u arko hadalkasi mid jees jees ah oo aan uqalmin in uu yiraahdo qof masuul ah . Hadalka kale oo aad uga caresiiyey Xildhibaanada USC* ayaa ah markuu yiri 61da xildhibaan ee USC kuma jiro mid u qalmo jagadaan wasiirka Koowaad ee waa in aan ka keenaa Banaanka qof USC ah ee ka bixi kara howshaan adag asagoo markaa ula jeeday in xildhibaanada USC ee la soodoortay yihiin gaanari iyo darawalkiisa ,hadalkaasi ayaa durbadiiba ka careysiiyey xildhibaanada USC ayagoo yiri bal ha socodsiiyo dowladiisa hadaan laga dooran wasiirka koowaad barlamaanka gudahiisa . ..........Madaxweynaha oo inta badan aan ka fiirsan hadaladiisa ayaa u eg mid aan siiwadi doonin howshaan adag ee baxaada leh ee loo bahanyahay nin dulqaad badan oo isku keeno Soomalida kala firiqsan dunida daafaheeda iyo kuwa ku dhibateysan gudaha dalka Full Text * I supplemented the original name on the text to USC cause of SOL's ban on tribal names. I think there was something called 'one step forward two steps back' in the socialism doctrine. This comes into mind with the new government. Our First lady (on the right hand side of the President and her chariot are smartly dressed...I love it.

Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said that Ethiopia will send peacekeeping forces to the newly established Somalia if a request comes from the African Union (AU). "As you know, Ethiopia has already sent peacekeeping forces to some other African countries on AU's request. So, if there will be a request from AU, we will consider positively to send peacekeeping forces to Somalia," Meles said. "Nevertheless, if it is the opinion of the AU to send troops and the wish of Somalia people and government we will help them by sending peacekeeping troops. That is something we should consider positively when the question is asked," he said He told journalists at a press conference held on Monday evening at Sheraton Addis, together with Somalia newly elected transitional government, Abdulahi Yesuf that Ethiopia will continue to support the ongoing peace process in Somalia as it did in the previous years He said that the international community needs to stretch its hands to support what Somalia is seeking, re-building the country "We want to assure our support to the Somalia people in their journey to peace," Meles added. President Yesuf on his part told journalists that his government will try to solve the Somaliland issue peacefully. "We want to solve Somalia's problem peacefully including Somaliland. Dialogue is much better than other means. War is not the solution," Yesuf said. President Yesuf also indicated that there would not be two Somalia's "I am the president of the country .We would solve the existing difference peacefully and form one Somalia," Yesuf added Asked when he will return to Somalia, he said, "It is our interest to go inside Somalia as soon as the cabinet is formed and to do what are possible in terms of restoring security and peace." "We don't see any problem to return to Mogadishu. But there should be adequate preparations for peace and security in Somalia." Source: The Daily Monitor, (Addis Ababa) October 27, 2004 Isnt this ingredient to conflict? And also an early emergence of Ethiopia's attempt to rule Somalia through the parliament it hand picked on its own. It is sad to see this we thought we had seen a light by the end of the tunnel. I hope somewhere and sometime soon our President changes course and solves the Somali dilema though peaceful SOmali ways and realises that he and his parliament and expected cabinet are hope to bring an end to our misery. Ethiopia is part of the misery.

Walle waxba salagle..! Bashi maxaad tiiri? The president has not completed the process of nominating the PM and the cabinet. He has no executive department! Yet, he’s asking foreign troops answerable only to him without the approval of the parliament and without the consultation of the key players of the new government. true very true..ahey..! He is putting the cart before the horse! Why would he put his cards on the table? What if after alienating the key players, troops don’t even come for some odd reason. This has already happened and people who so willingly voted for him are taken back by his immidiate stance and uncompromising call for foreugn troops. What that means is give up power and become a ceremonial president. This is exactly what he should be according to the charter, 'ceremonial president...but he has decided to.. keep this awesome power and play hardball with them despite the far-reaching consequences it will have on us and the generations to come An apparent proof of this is his immidiate call for troops without even first naming his PM, who in turn should map out the policy of reconciliation and naming the cabinet. Trust me C/llahi has already named cabinet ministers, and it is not his job description to do so. As for my thoughts for disarmament Bashi, I have said time and time again. It should be done through parliament which constitutes of the warlords who are leaders of the armed militia. If they have the initiave and plan this mutually they can come up with something.

ok..! This question of disarmament and foreign troops has been going around in circles, and at time we are debating and coming up with solution as if we have no idea of how this militias in Somalia are armed and grouped. It is like as if the question and argument is making rounds in foreign group discussion but we are not. So lets stop beating about the bush talk as Somalis affected by the problem. For those of you who have no idea where Somalia then you are forgiven. But the question is simple, the armed militias in Somalia are grouped in clan structure and their leaders are all, and I repeat all, members of the new parliament of Somalia. Now tell me how best to disarm them.

Damn Smith sxb...! dont you you think longevity will affect us worse...after all we are living on a borrowed liver..... .

^^loooool^^^^ Someone somewhere will say it is those from 'kampo axmaro' who have come to Bari

^^Aha..! and what will the strong government do to bring S/land back to fold? Bombard them as our previous 'strong' government did?

Originally posted by OG_Girl: Suldaanka, I hate to deliver bad news inabti... you can wait forever for that Specially with Col, Abdullahi Yusuf ..If you know what I mean Macbuudko our lady judge has turned profession to tyrant and warlord, just what are you threatening if I may ask? On a serious note though I agree with LST the merger was one of mutual consent and its nullification should come in such manner. Hence making the current self-declared secession void. And in order to amend the current stand off it should be done through negotiations just as said by the President Yusuf in his inauguration speech. Anything other than that quoted from the president is non representative. The other aspect people please note that Somaliland government is legitimate as far as the mandate of its people are concerned and thus cannot be disregarded. Do not ever assume that the MP's from that region in the current Somali parliament are representative from the area, they are if anything nominal. It is vital, as some suggest in here, that negotiations and offering of a better situation than the current status should be undertaken in attempt to persuade our sisters and brothers to rejoin and stay in the union.

Originally posted by Bari_Nomad: And since factions/groups are against this AU force due to their 'Afrikaness', why not request peacekeepers from Islamic nations? Your racism aside, I dont think that that is the the core reason behind some of the MP's opposition for the President to make a unilateral call for AU peace keeping troops.

^^ Like asking each warlord in the parliament to bring his own militias to fold and account for the arms they have. The parliament to establish a Somali police force responsible for overseeing this implementation with the assurance that the warlords will comply with it. Otherwise what is the use of the charter which they signed in this reconciliatory parlliament. In this process the small amount of hoods who are not under the control of the warlords will be eleimated and they will be forced to disarm by a Somali Police forced established by the parliament. The participation of International peace keeping troops will be required here to train and rehabitate the Somali security to carry out its duty. Anything other than that like 20,000 AU troops questions what role they will carry out and the animosity they can create.

Loool..! What is more ghosty is when one relies on ghost stories

^^^Loooooool^^^^^ Welcome back mate.....

Nationalist it is obvious you nothing of Mogadishu and closest you got to it ever is as far as Burtinle. So someone like you it is difficult to explain to. And sxb even in its ruins Xamar rulez in many aspect, so even the 'jingadaha' you build in your new found homelland will take as little as light years to catch up with Banadir.

Originally posted by Nationalist: Mogadishu as well as Kismayu are in essence the most beautiful cities in Somalia. Because of their devastation, Hargeisa and Bosaso took over. Hopefully these cities and more will be rebuild as quickly as possible. Bisinka iyo Tabarak war waa bil soon miyadan Illah ka cabsaneyniin, How in the name of Heaven do you compare Mogadishu with Hargeisa and Bosaso. You must be joking right..!

The government forced around 100 Somali asylum seekers to leave the UK in the first half of this year, many sent back to their war-torn country despite warnings from the Somali government and the United Nations that such action would endanger lives.... Somalia is considered one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Warring militias control much of the southern part of the country, including the capital, Mogadishu. Between April and June this year more than 100 civilians were killed and thousands of others were forced to flee their homes, according to Amnesty International..... The policy has been temporarily suspended because Daallo Airlines, which flies asylum seekers into Somalia from Dubai, has now refused to accept enforced returns for reasons that are unclear Kudos for Daallo Airlines for refusing to take part. But all in all the issues is a grave mistake and am afraid it will get much worse now since the establishment of the new government. There are rumours that the Home Office is mapping out a deal with the new government in ways which the asylum seekers could be returned to safe areas in Somalia where in return the new government will get funding. Somali refugees forced to leave UK

Warya ManofFreedom Illah ka cabso, bil soon waaye masakintan soman ha ka yac-yacsinin oo yesan ku habariin.

I noticed that sxb, if they could argue on the points raised and acknowledge that it could be a deterring factor we could probably debate. But they are coming out as Mr.Straw defending the Iraqi War...

Originally posted by Mobb_Deep: Juma, All that this article shows is that MP's are debating issues na'mean. By pointing out factors that could lead to the failure of the new government does not mean am anti-Somalia. And also please note I accept and acknowledge humbly the parliament and the new President, but you can call me pesimistic if I fear we could go back to square one in view to the steps being taken by our President. After all we are humans to have doubts arent we? And M-Deep if anything, like you I want to go and live in my country without fear and under a respected authority that fulfills the desire of its citizens..

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