Originally posted by OG_Girl: Do you know why Siyad Bare went war with Ethiopia 1977? Well, I will tell you, freedom fighters that time (OLF)where controling over 75% of our Land , since Djibouti took their independence from France and refused to be part of Somali Rebulic and declare their own... Siyad Bare scared that Oggaden will do the same and he will loose his control over "us" so he wanted to spoil it.He thought the Land will back soon and people refuse to be part of His kingdom!!!! What a great and deliberate distortion of the truth. It only sums up one thing dear that you have been spoon-fed with pack of false interpratation of history and you failed to question neither look for facts. OLF controlling 75%..? They did not even control 75% of a square centimetre, cause they simply did not exist at all at that time. There was what was called the WSLF and they themselves only existed in paper. The work in the ground which was fighting the 'xabashi' was done by real Somali soldiers in the Somali National Army led by then President Siyaad. And the best thing you can do OG-girl is show respect to the thousands who have died for a cause that u only support from your arm-chair. Siyaad above anything else merits the praise of the people from the Western region of Ethipia and NFD of Kenya.He has brought into fold and given them high ranks of the government people who were not even born in Somalia but were from these regions. People like the Gabyos, Taraaxs, Aden Kukays,Malinguurs and many others whom he posted as diplomats representing Somalia in the wide World.Not mentioning the thousands of others who were integrated into the the Somali civil service. This was due to the article in the constitution which said any Somali born in an ywhere of this world has the same right as the same one born within Somalia. To come around and bite the hand that fed you is a disgrace. The war was bad not for the Somalis in region five but the others of Somali state cause it resulted to the annihilation of our armed forces. And I believe to this date the Siyaad won that war against the Xabashi but was beaten by the two international powers of the world at that time cause they did not want the expanssion of Somalia. It is not Siyaad you should blame but those who have homed in to the Ethipians in order to achieve their political gains. The kinds as such SSDF, SNM, and USC who were given bases in Ethiopia to counter primarily the Somali rebellion groups whithin Ethiopia. And in latter stages the so called leaders of Somaliland, Puntland and the tenetless warlords who have made Ethipia their masters, but please not Siyaad. With Siyaad, Somalia always caused fear in the hearts of Ethiopians.

Originally posted by Sophist: Jamatutu: whichever you feel you belong to mate I dont have doubts my dear, and my ethnic affiliations is very well structured and rooted to its core and cannot be swayed neither bribed by the enemy at the cost of political gain..

^^^Dar Alla ku deg..! This lot cant do anything to you....They had the vote of the Somali so called Parliament but all all they carried on their shoulder the aspiration and hope of long suffering Somali people who yearned to be governed after 14 years of anarchy and mayhem, only their dreams to be turned sour by the very people they had hope to turn and consult the 'Xabashi' on matters that genuinely concern solely the Somali people.

Qaabka ay dowladda Etiyoobiya fraha ula soo gashay magacaabida wasiirada DWKMG Dowladda Itoobiya ayaa Wafdi qarsoodi ah maalmo ka hor Nairobi u soo dirtay, iyadoo sargaal sare oo magaciisa la dhaho Ato Tadhase Amama uu si cad uga hor yimid in raga qaarkood ay qabtaan wasaaradaha qaarkood. Ilo rasmi oo laga helayo rag ku dhow dhow Xafiiska Ra'iisul wasaaraha ayaa waxa ay sheegayaan in Habeen ka hor maalintii lagu dhawaaqay wasiirada la badalay Magacyadda qaar sida Cabdi Maxamed Tarax oo lagu wedey wasaarada Gaashaandhiga, hase yeeshee ay dowladda Etiyobiya ka hortimid magacaabida jagadaas. Ato Tadhase Amama ayaa si cad u hor istaagay in Shaqsi beesha SPM ka socda loo magacaabo wasaarada gashaandhiga taasoo keentay in saacadihii ugu dambeeyey la badalo Magaca xilibaan Cabdi Maxamed tarax oo lagu badalo cabdiraxmaan Maxamuud Cali Beer oo ka socday Beesha warsangali ee beel weynte harto oo ay wada dhasheen beesha SPM . Absamaha ayaa arintan aad uga xumaaday iyadoo bilahan dambena ay jiraan in la isugu yeeray xoogagii ururka SPM ee deegaanada Juuboyinka kuwaasoo diyaar u ahaa inay la shaqeeyaan xukuumada cusub. Jago ahaan inkastoo wasaarada warshadaha ay muhiim tahay hada miisaanka meesha SPM iyo siyaasad ahaanba uma aysan cuntamin in hal wasiir oo qura ay ku yeeshaan golaha wasiirada maadama tayo ahaan iyo dhul ahaanba ay haystaan deegaan muhiim ah laguna xisaabtami karo. Waxaa sidoo kale qabiilo ay *********ku ka mid yihiin oo ka xun sida wax loo qaybiyey waxayna taasi sababi kartaa inuu dhaawac ki yimaado hamigii loo qabay dowladan cusub. Qowdhan Faatule Somalitribune,Nairobi- Kenya

looooool... Imagine Bisharo asking for the image of a certain item that is vital to females and Ngonge coming up with its picture.....that would have been the day...! Ngonge dhega nuglanta ayan kugu jeclahey saxiiibo........

“Sida Rucubka Naasahan Hadba Soo Ruxaayoo†xaaji Ngonge this more or less means 'I C ya baby...shake that a***' So you can probably figure it out now

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: Wats Iskaashiga Gobolada. it is another way of saying there is no room for you in the cabinet

Originally posted by Sophist: Qofkii hada xiniinyo iyo aqoon isbidaya waa inuu wadankii aadaa, and offer thier services to the our state. [/quote eh...!which state..? The Somalia state or the Ethiopian state..?

The list of the cabinet was debated and agreed among those it concerns, namely the members of parliament, the president and the prime-minister over the last three weeks and so. There was lot of haggling, negotiating and compromise made among the warlords and the prime-minister.However much time wasted on it, it was never the less meant to produce an end product that could be acceptable by all the warlords in the parliament and seen to be far reaching and able to perform its task. The annoucement of the cabinet was scheduled to be made yesterday afternoon but was delayed due to unforseen circumstances. This suprised everyone and raised some eyebrows. The reason for the delay emerged sometime late into last nite. The Ethiopian representative to the Somali conference Ambasssador Abdiaziz Ahmed who was shown the list and consulted upon it raised his objection on behalf of his government (The Ethiopian Government). Chief among his objections were Ismail Bubaa and General Naaji who were destined to be named Minister of Foreign Affairs and Defence respectively.Also the posts of Deputy prime-minister and Minister for Security which was for Mohamed Qanyare, and that of Deputy primi=minister and minister for Internal affairs for Hussein Aideed. Their opposition to Buuba and General Naaji was based on their understanding that both men are not members of the SRRC and hence not Ethiopian friendly. Their opposition to the latter posts of Qanyare and Aidiid JR. is the fact that they cannot hold two posts. I dont think it is worth debating their point of opposition cause in common sense it is not a relative issue. Now before we get into the fact how much Ethipia is involved in the current Somali political picture we should agree that it would be a problem for Ethiopia for the emergence on a strong unified Somali Nation. Ethiopia played a big part in the election of President Yusuf simply for the purpose and assumption that if he is elected the warlords in Mogadishu would abondon the peace conference and completely reject the outcome. Thus the probability of the creation of a Somali state would be below zero. Fortunately it did not happen and unexpectantly by them their political manoeuvre backfired and the Mogadishu warlords accepted and vowed to support and implement the outcome and play their part in the establishment and realisation of the new government. WIth all these in view and having realised their miscalculation Ethiopia embarked on a different footing to create disarray and confussion in the Somali Federal parliament, using its allies in the parliament itself. Over the last two days a debate which centred on moving the capital of administration from Mogadishu was discuused very strongly. The Mogadishu warlords who promised everything were suprised by this motion and the reasons behind it. That issue is still outstanding the parliament and has yet to be resolved. The other card in the attempt to bring halt to the march of a Somali government and state was their role in as consultants in the naming of the Somali Cabinet ministers. Ethiopia knows if Buuba was to be named foreign minister the pulling power by the federal goverenment to convince the Somalilanders to join in unity the rest of the Nation would be higher. Cause the portofolio is very important. But in demoting Buuba to a Minister of Regional co-peration Ethiopians knew it would give a picture of showing the Somalilanders that their share of the national cake is little as that, which in turn will be used as a tool by the secessionist to show and proof of exactly what they were always complaining of. Hence the probability of a unified Somalia is zero. All in all why was Ethiopia consulted in the naming of the cabinet can only be answered by the President C/llahi Yusuf and the Prime-minister Geedi, and they only they will be held responsible for the collapse of the a Somali hope. Looking at the list of the cabinet and the influence of the Ethiopians in its creation I dont think anyone in his/her right mind can say now that 'there is light by the end of the tunnel'. Ismaaciil buubaa & Jen. Naaji oo wasaaradihii loo magacaabi lahaa ay hor istaagtay dowladda Itoobiya(Magacyada xubnaha la magaacabayo oo qaarkood la shaaciyey) Laba hogaamiye oo laga waayay Liiska Golaha wasiirada la magacaabay

Kulankan waxaa goob joog ka ahaa Madaxwaynaha Soomaliya Mudane Cabdulaahi Yuusuf Axmed Wasiirka koowaad ee Soomaliya Prof Cali Maxamed Geedi Madaxwayne ku Xigeenka wadanka Kenya ahna wasiirka Arimaha dibada Mudi Awori Ambasator Kiblag oo ahaa Wakiilkii wadanka Kenya ee Shirka Soomaalida iyo IPF , Wasiirka waxa u wasiiradiisa ukla qaybiyay Sidan 1-Wasiirka Arimaha Dibada C/laahi Sh Ismaaciil 2-Wasiirka Awqaafta iyo Arimaha Diinta Cumar Maxamuud Cumar Finish ] 3-Wasaarada Batroolka iyo Tamarta Yusuf Axmed Maxamed 4-Wasaarada Beeraha Xasan Maxamed Nuur Shaati Guduud 5-Wasaarada Boostada iyo Isgaarsiinta Axmed Jaamac Jingali 6-Wasaarada Dalxiiska iyo Ilaalinta DeegaankaAxmed Maxamed 7-Wasaarada Tastuurka iyo Arimaha Federaalka C/la Deeroow ***** 8-Wasaarada Dhalinyarada iyo Isbooritiga Maxamed Warsame Cali 9-Wasaarada Dib u dhiska iyo Dib udajinta Bare Jaamac Shire 10-Wasaarada Gaashaandhiga Cabdirixmaan Maxamuud 11-Wasaarada Gaadiidka Cirka iyo Dhulka Cali Ismaaciil Cabdi Giir 12-Wasaarada Ganacsiga Al Xaaj Muuse Suudi Yalaxow 13-Wasaarada Garsoorka sh Adan Madoobe 14-Wasaarada Hoowlaha Guud iyo Guryanta Cusmaan Xasan Cali Cato 15Wasaarada Hidaha iyo Tacliinta Sare Xuseen Maxamuud Sh Xuseen 16-Wasiirka Horumarinta iyo Daryeelka Qoska Foowsiyo Maxamed Shiikh 17-Wasaarada Xanaanada iyo Xoolaha Xuseen Ceelaabe Faahiye 18-Wasaarada Dhaqan Celinta maleeshiyooyinka Maxamed Bootaan 19-Wasaarada Iskashiga Gobolka Ismaaciil Maxamed Hure Buubaa 20Wasarada Kaluumaysiga iyo khayraadka Bada Xasan Abshir Faarax 21-Wasaarada Maaliyada Saalim Cali Yabaroow 22-Qorsheenta iyo Iskaashiga Caalamiga C/risaaq Cusmaan Xasan 23-wasaarada Shaqada iyo Shaqaalaha Ibraahin Adam Xasan 24-Wasaarada Warfaafinta Cali Fiqi 25-Wasaarada Warshadaha Cabdi Maxamed Tarax 26Wasaarada Waxbarashada Cali Cabdulaahi Cosoble 27-Wasaarada Caafimaadka C/Casiis Sh Yuusuf Afar wasiir oo ka mida wasiirrada doowlada Federaalka Kumeelgaarka ah ayaa ku jira wada tashi waxaa manta Xilkooda loo dhaariya Wasiiro ka mida Xubnaha kolaha Wasiirada Soomaliya

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: Oh I thought there was a major natural disaster.. If earthquake is better of for you than 'army mutiny' then sxb you need to restructure your scale of disasters. wind-talker: mandhow halke laga so turey mise waxaad tahey gaban yar oo la yiri bax so sheeko baro. A word of advice listen and learn, marki aad hadleysidna afka ka hadal..OK..!

Ciidamda Daraawiishta DG Puntland oo qabsaday Bankiga iyo Wasaarada Maaliyada Garoowe:-Saaka abaarihii markay saacadu ahayd 7-dii aroornimo ayay gacanta ku dhigeen Ciidanka Daraawiishtu Bankiga iyo Wasaarada Maaliyada iyagoo halkaas ku rasaaseeyay Ciidan boolis ah oo ilaalo ka ahaa goobahaas. Majiraan cid wax ku noqotay Israsaasayntaas dhexmartay ciidanka booliska iyo daraawiishta. Mar aan booqday Bankiga iyo Wasaarada Maaliyada ee haatan labaduba gacanta ugu jirta Ciidanka daraawiishta ayay qaar ka mid ah oo ah oo aan wax ka waydiiyay sababta ay saaka u qabsadeen goobahaas muhiimka ah ee dawlada ayay ii sheegeen in ay la'yihiin mushaar muddo sideed bilood ah ayna u baahanyihiin mushaarkooda oo kaliya. Qabsashada ay qabsadeen Ciidanka darawiishtu goobahaas muhiimka ayaa ku soo beegantay xili ay magaalada Garoowe ka jirto xamaasad aad u xoogan oo Issimada Puntland ay u fadhiyaan xal u helida khilaafka ka dhashay jiritnaanka dawlada oo gabaabsi ah. Waxaa iyana magaalada Garoowe dhexmaraya Haween aad u badan wata baabuur ay ku xiranyihiin makarafoono ama codbaahiyaal oo ka yimid Gobolka Sool, waxayna ku dhawaaqayeen ma doonayno in doorasho la qabto waxaa na dul fadhiya Cadaw. Axmed C/salaam Puntlandpost,Garoowe,Soomaaliya

Anti-Somaliland fever in SOL is so high that no one questioned the authenticity of the letter, where the post code is within the the address of the addresse. The stance of UK towards Somaliland is no secret, it has sympathy and accepts that it has fullfilled all it asked.

Originally posted by nuune: jumatatu, ur signature says dawa ya moto ni moto, if u know that, Nuune kwaeli dawa ya moto ni moto, lakini mdogo wangu hamna kitu ja moto hapo...! Nationalist : I have good news for you; articulacy can be learned mate. warya doshaan dont you know that articulate is in same league as truth and fact, which is totally absent from your texts, hence it deserves nothing less and more than scorn....

Originally posted by Nationalist: I do believe our only genuine achillesheel in the south is Kismayo and not Mogadishu. The days where most investment went to the south and particularly Mogadishu are over. Especially now there is a president originally from Pland. May I remind you, it was the investment and jobs that attracted Planders. Nothing more and nothing less. ^^ ^^^

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: I think its good for the country as a whole that we have many economic centres, and urban areas and people from the Puntland State should not isolate themselves nor ignore their responsability to their state as our fathers did. ^^Utterly b*ll*cks...

Give us a break mate.....Who in his/her right mind living between the God forsaken area between Galkacyo and Bosaso will refuse the oppurtunity to go back south given the chance. Even the President does not want to go back to Puntland..... . He is looking for troops to take him Mogadishu..

Yeah you could be right there sxb, but as I said the coin is up in the air we dont yet whether it will be heads or tails. The presidnet is playing the cards very tactfully at the moment and has the benefit of doubts so far, lets see what happens. However I join you in wishing for a better future for all spectrums. Now I have to go before 'doshan' (aka Nationalist & aka WD) comes back with his vague and empty ideas

Nationalist (aka WD) you who has attributed every imaginable thing on the universe to your kinsman and who has no shame pragging and uttering false statements after the other is calling people tribalist..cajiib..horey ayey Somalidu uu shegtey..'tuug intadan tug oran ayu kala hormara'. Sxb saar ba ku sarane ee halaga tuumo Smith my imaginary friend : thats why I welcome Mowled Macane's comments I think both you and I virtually agree Macane's outburst was nothing more than being a mouth piece for the president who was indirectly reponding to the appeal made by casha maxamed khaneyare, mulki osman catto, mana muse sudi, luul xussein caydiid, hooyo qadro maxamed dhere...etc.... . The president is having a field day of showing errosion of his conterparts and has in his possesion many hounds to speak for him, ofcourse Mowlid is one of them.

Smith sxb my heroes are no longer present those u r seeing now are by products of a mis-calculated approach hence they have no value at all nor are they aware of the weight on your shoulder. yes and as I said before 'mantey adey xaredu ku da'eysa'. And you agree by promising you want let your guard down, there fore I respect your sight of things but please give me the opputunity to feminise these hoodlums who call themselves MP's.

Nationalist adiga 'naag la qabo' ayaad ka tahey arrinka ka amuus.. Smith ino waad sheeqada sxb hada ayey isku so biyo shubete. It was not certainly a one man show it was collective but when uit broke and how it did is history, but rest assured elements emerging now are once again creating to unite that element. And am sure Smith that will send shivers down your spine. So lets sing and welcome our president for he will be the cause may be the re-incarnation of 'Mustaxiil' or on the contrary the re-emergence of the political power that saw the eviction of Egal and Abdirizaq from the seat of power in the days politics was tact and diplomacy and manuevre. Smith the coin is up in the air heads or tails we shall see. I hope we are in the same wave lenght Smith. JB my dear bro please send your donations for the money to buy dirac and bras for the 61 USC member in parliament.

Originally posted by SmithNwestern: And if there wehere only such small arms late Aydeed would not have sowed peace with the SSDF and Galkacyu his home town would have been over run. Stop rewriting history bro. Ehem can you rephrase that...shouldn't it be the other way around sxb...was it C/llahu Yusuf at Xamar signing the treaty or Caydiid at Galkacyo....that itself says it all doesn't it.. For Galkacyo to be safe it entirely concerns and benefits the Qalafs and Mahads cause they cannot go and inhabit with the reer bari's. However much sworn enemy they are with Baraxley they would rather live with them than 'bo'w nabad ma jidha' and that is a fact. If any conflict escalates in Galkacyo you know the equilibrium of Puntland will be dented...and for one to run over the other...please spare me the self prasing we know each other well... And if only if the great Legend Aydeed was alive today..I doubt whether Colonel yeey would have even hoped to become a head of school teacher let alone a president.

Nationalist there you go again, typical of you. If someone said he went to the moon, you certainly would say you have been beyond. For your info when Yeey captured Bari region from the yoke of Jama Ali Jama he did it with 13 technicals, such kind of arsenal in Mogadishu is possesed by the shop owners. Smith sxb (wakula socda kana fahmi kara in ay xareed ay ku da'eyso) but since u asked I know those USC (b******s) in ay dhulka mar hore isku jideen lakiin I expected lil bit integrity: as the famous lyrics say ; Que sera sera What ever will be will be The future is not ours to see....

I admire Mowliid for giving it straight to the face of the 61 memeber of parliament from USC......horey aya waxaa lo yiiri 'lax walba shilka ay is dhigto aya lagu goraca'. Am now collecting donations to buy diraac's and bra's for the 61 members who unfortunately represent USC today in the federal government....... .. gone are the days when they were revered and every demand of theirs was seriously considered by their compatriots.....kudos to casha maxamed khaneyare, mulki osman catto, mana muse sudi, luul xussein caydiid, hooyo qadro maxamed dhere...etc.... nb. those are the new names of the warlords in mogadishu

Kulankii magaalada Garoowe ugu socday isimada reer Puntland oo maanta go’aano ka soo bixi doona...! Waxaa maanta la filayaa in Go'aano ay ka soo saaraan magaalada Garowe ee xaruunta Puntland Isimadii 50 ruux gaarayay ee ku shirsanaa magaalada Garowe.Isimadan ayaa la filayaa in ay xilka u kordhiyaan maamulka ka jira Puntland ee uu horkacayo Maxamed Cabdi Xaanshi ama doorasho cusub lagu qabto Puntland ayadoo la sheegayo in doorashadu ay caqabado badani hor taagantahay sida dagaalada gobolka Sool iyo dhaqaalo xumo haaysata maamulkaasi ayadoo khilaaf ka dhex taagan yahay maamulka Puntland iyo qaar ka tirsan odiyaasha dhaqanka ee Puntland. Dhinaca kale, garaad Cabdi Qani Garaad Jaamac ayaa sheegay in aanay jirin 50 Isin Soomaaliya.Garaad C/Qani Garaad Jaamac oo ka mid ah odayaasha sida weyn looga yaqaano gobolka Sool ayaa sheegay in aanay jirin tiro gaareeysa 50 Isin Soomaaliya iska daaye Puntland oo kaliya asagoo intaasi ku daray in kuwa ku shiraayo Garowe aanay aheeyn Isino dhab ah balse ay yahiin kuwa laga soo uruuriyay degaanada Puntland . Garad C/Qani ayaa u muuqda mid ka soo horjeeda waxa ka soo baxa kulanka Garoowe Source: Warar ku Saabsan Soomaalida: Ruunkinet, 24/11/04