Xiin, Everything about the PIS isn't all bad, it might not be doing great job in halting the departments eroding public support, it does however serves as a deterrent to enemies of the state. It is a well know fact many of the states enemy operate with great caution to avoid the PIS attention. Insha'Allah in time the state will implement credible, transparent security sector reform, with domestic and foreign stakeholder input, that introduces professionalism, transparency, and civilian oversight into the security agencies. Now is not the time though, tough times call for tough measures.

You can read the immoral call for the African Union to "occupy Somalia and rule her for 50 years" – here, the title of an opinion written by Mr. Jerry Okungu and published by Uganda-based New Vision newspaper. And GAROWE ONLINE EDITORIAL, "Africa needs authentic governments, not occupation of Somalia" - indeed, the title of a worthy respond to Mr. Okungu's despicable suggestion.

Sorry Cowke, didn't know you posted it before me.

Abtigiis, Puntland saad laa socoto waa autonomous, wanaa ahaayd Shiikh Sharif ka hor wanaa ahaan doonta intaa umada Somaliyeed ka fahmayso "good governance" haduu illaahay idmo.

By Said Farah

Help Wanted in Somalia

Honestly all 110 of them should be sent back since they can't be trusted. There "siisoco soosoco" mindset is a damn shame.

Unlike the apove poster I see this latest development regarding the Africa Oil's holdings in Puntland (Somalia) a positive move. Africa Oil's East African holdings are in what is considered a truly world-class exploration play fairway. All in all as a Puntlander it really conforting to know that the Company is still busy in its efforts to identify international drilling and drilling related contractors willing to participate in operations in Puntland (Somalia) on commercially acceptable terms.

There is no doubt that those who destroyed Mogadishu would not blink to destroy Puntland, Somaliland, and extend their violent reach to neighboring countries like Ethiopia and Yemen. I'm going to have to agree with Faroole on this.

The article 43.2 of the charter stipulates “The President shall be impeached for the violation of the Charter only if a charge against him or her has been preferred to Parliament”. The blunder he made this week involving the firing of the prime minister can't be ignored. And Ould Abdallah should be replace with a neutral diplomat immediately.

President Sharif with the help of Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah have slaughter the Djibouti peace process in one dim-witted stroke The strange illegal actions from president Sharif and the quick endorsement and support from Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah have raised suspicion and destroyed trust within the Transitional Federal Institutions and within the international Community. Both men have stated that they have done this to end a bickering among the leaders, however due to their actions they have managed to jointly slaughter the very purpose they served, implementing the Djibouti agreement, and guaranteed continuity of the bickering and dispute, the actions of the president where surprising and any conscious person following the Somali process since the formation of the Transitional Governments is aware of the Laws that surround, the appointment of the Prime minister and the sacking of the Prime minister. In fact this was the very problem that deteriorate the previous TFG governments, and in one afternoon on 17th May 2010 after the Speaker resigned and the issue was done with, I repeat done with, the president had to say the words that would take Somali politics to the graveyard and fuel the alshabaab, that is to claim the power of the parliament as a supreme being, basically the president played god, at a time when following the rule of law was crucial, he said “I have dissolved the government”. Normally presidents asked the ministers allied with them to resign and then they take the matter to the parliament seeking the parliament’s approval. and even those where a drag to progress and peace. President Sharif however chose the wrong advice over the Law, and did a deed which will certify a very expensive error of judgment; on the contrary president Sharif had a moment of vision that afternoon, to forget the process and previous mistakes and land in the political volcano. The president violated the charter Article 51 (The Dismissal of the Prime/Deputy Prime Minister) only every other Somali person following Somali politics the past five years is an expert on the issue except the president, whose actions confirms his aloofness to the matter in hand, the president dashed to the sea to get dry, and elevated the problem to a higher level. Why he was not aware of this is the 64 million dollar question? These where the issues that ended previous governments, and all the president said to evoke this matter is “I dissolved the government” no president who said this survived, the political consequences that followed. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah mandated “to promote a lasting peace and stability in Somalia through the implementation of the Djibouti Peace Agreement” have done the opposite this time, he endorsed the illegal action of the president and threatened those who oppose it, and this time those who oppose the president decision have the charter on their side. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah have managed in one-go to oppose the charter and destroy the Djibouti peace process, it seems that the he has personalize the Somali conflict with the assistance of the president Sharif. Both men opened the flood gates to a new political turmoil and erosion of trust to the transitional Federal Institution, also in this action Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah and the president have created and widened the Somali Challenges and hindered the peace process, by enormously demoralizing the institution which is a fuel to Al-Shabaab terrorist. A very expensive mistake by the two most valued pillars of saving Somalia, President Sharif and Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah. What happens next is on their shoulders and their shoulders alone. Horseed Media

"As 2010 unfolds, our collective vision should be to see the beginnings of a secure, stable and prosperous Somalia, at peace with itself and its neighbors, where its citizens can go about their lives in safety and provide for their families with confidence and dignity. Let us strive for a resurgent, tolerant society, built on respect for traditional Somali cultural and religious values." -Omar Abdirashiid Ali Sharmarke http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/opinion/20iht-edsomalia.html Unfortunately some have just managed to kick his vision back to the next century to appease corrupt officials.

^^^Adigu burcad badeeda kaliya baad u jeeda...So try to come to grasp with the whole picture first, because there can never be justice where there is injustice. Our fishing communities lay ruin as a result of illegal over fishing and toxic waste dumping, none of you see this though, all you people seem to care about is choking Puntland's credibility and that's a real shame. Puntland's limited budget is already stretched too thin protecting the state from the crooks down south and the secessionists up north; the sea pirates is the worlds problem, they turned fishers into pirates and they can help end it when their ready to address the root cause of piracy.

Originally posted by Thankful: So the President is basically saying that when someone admits to committing numerous criminal offenses and gives it up and says he will go around with religious elders and discourage that criminal activity, he shouldn't be send to jail or face any punishment? Faroole is doing all he can and as a Puntlander I think it would be wise if you stand behind the president; the man is making sense out of Somalia’s politically charged atmosphere, even cartoonist are taking political shots at the man for sinister proposes. I don’t know why the world continues to ignore the root cause of Piracy. The blame is with the international community which continues to stand idle for the last 20 or so years while our fishing communities fade or disappear altogether. As for the notorious pirate leader, Mr. Boyah, the man admitted to have quit piracy before this administration was elected [in Jan. 2009] and we can sit here and argue back and forth which administration is to blame; one think we both can agree on though is, the man is more useful then he is behind bars since it seems his been helpful in discouraging piracy across Puntland.

Originally posted by Qudhac: looool even the UN works for somaliland miyaa, TUUG LA QABTAY TALOW MALE. Not the whole UN, just Mr. Matt Bryden, who has familial ties to the dominant clan in Somaliland and who is known to have actively campaigned for the recognition of an independent Somaliland. As remarked, Mr. Bryden co-authored the politically motivated UN report and many more others critical of Puntland.

"The report's authors used sources that include politicians who are opportunists or are opposed to Puntland' s self-development," President Farole said, adding: "Even some of the report's authors are politically motivated to discredit Puntland as a way of achieving another hidden goal," President Farole added. One of the report's authors, Mr. Matt Bryden, has familial ties to the dominant clan in Somaliland and is known to have actively campaigned for the recognition of an independent Somaliland. President Farole remarked that Mr. Bryden co-authored "reports critical of Puntland even during his time working for the ICG," a reference to the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based think tank. Puntland's leader said the UN Monitoring Group's reports makes false allegations that specific "pirate leaders" live free in Puntland. But President Farole denied this. "The man called Baqalyo is currently in Bossaso jail, but the report claims he's out free. Another man named Hanaano is now jailed in Yemen, but again the report says this man is free and lives in Puntland," Farole said. The president said he believes that pirates are able to reform and to reintegrate back to society through social and political support. So Thankful, should such a politically motivated report be taken serious? Hopefully not so the rest of us sane Puntlanders can still consider you one of us; seriously maxaa kugu qasbay inaad laa soo shirtagto a known secessionist aficionado report? Lol...

BOSSASO, Somalia Mar 22 (Garowe Online) - The president of Somalia's Puntland State government has condemned a new report by the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia, saying that the report is "full of insults." Puntland President Abdirahman Mohamed "Farole" held a press conference Monday at the presidential palace in Bossaso, Puntland's commercial hub located along Gulf of Aden shores. The president led a government delegation from the state capital Garowe yesterday by road and spent Sunday night in Qardo, the capital of Karkar region. The president's delegation includes: Interior Minister Gen. Abdullahi Jama "Ilkajir"; Finance Minister Farah Ali Jama; Security Minister Yusuf Ahmed Kheir; and Ports Minister Said Mohamed Rageh, a member of the former Adde Muse administration whom was reappointed by President Farole in last month's Cabinet reshuffle. While in Qardo, President Farole's delegation met with local officials, community leaders and intellectuals who briefed the government delegation on local developments and expressed the community's needs. The president said that the administration is focused on improving security but has plans to invest in social sector and economic development as well. On Monday morning, the president's delegation proceeded northward and ate breakfast with provincial and police officials at the Armo Police Academy, which is located in Armo district in Bari region. The newly appointed governor of Bari region, Sheikh Abdihafid Ali Yusuf, was present for the breakfast. Welcome euphoria Puntland's presidential motorcade roared into the port city of Bossaso midday today, with officials, community leaders and members of the public lining up along the paved road waving flags as the delegation passed through. A reporter on the scene described the euphoria surrounding President Farole's arrival in Bossaso was "comparable to his first trip to Bossaso after winning the January [2009] election." The president is expected to shore up domestic support in Bossaso, as his administration faces mounting international pressure on the piracy issue. Most recently, the UN Monitoring Group on Somalia mandated with monitoring the 1992 arms embargo on Somalia issued a highly controversial 110-page report to the UN Security Council. The report makes allegations that the UN's World Food Program (WFP) awarded multi-million-dollar contracts to Somali businessmen who fund insurgents, and that officials in the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) profited from selling foreign visas given to TFG delegations visiting foreign capitals. But Puntland President Farole responded directly to allegations made in the report that Puntland's top leadership profits financially from pirate ransoms. 264 pirates jailed Puntland's president condemned the Monitoring Group on Somalia's new report, saying that the writers drafted the report "without ever coming to Puntland." The report's authors admit that they only visited parts of Somalia – namely, they visited Hargeisa and Berbera in Somaliland, a separatist republic in northwest Somalia; and briefly in Mogadishu, where TFG President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed is protected by African Union peacekeepers. "Puntland has actively fought against pirates and we have 264 pirates or suspected pirates currently in jail," President Farole said, adding: "But our efforts – the people and government of Puntland – are rewarded by condemnation and insults against Puntland's leadership." He noted that French naval forces on anti-piracy patrols transferred over to the Puntland government "30 suspected pirates" this month alone, adding that "most of these men hail from the Harardhere area." Harardhere is a coastal district in the southern part of Mudug region, where pirates currently hold a number of foreign ships and their crews for ransom. The UN Monitoring Group's reports notes this "shift" of piracy epicenter in recent years from the Puntland town of Eyl further south to Harardhere, a town that falls well outside Puntland's jurisdiction. 'Politically motivated' report The president said the Puntland government has hired advisers to seek legal avenues in light of the report's "outrageous allegations" against top government leaders in Puntland. Observers say Puntland is the principal domestic backbone of the Western-backed TFG and a frontline region against the spread of extremism and terrorism in the Horn of Africa sub-region. Ethiopia, the West's most important ally in the sub-region, maintains strong and cordial relations with the Puntland government. Al Shabaab militants who are fighting to topple the TFG in Mogadishu have failed to infiltrate Puntland, which has been relatively stable since the outbreak of the Somali civil war in 1991. "The report's authors used sources that include politicians who are opportunists or are opposed to Puntland' s self-development," President Farole said, adding: "Even some of the report's authors are politically motivated to discredit Puntland as a way of achieving another hidden goal," President Farole added. One of the report's authors, Mr. Matt Bryden, has familial ties to the dominant clan in Somaliland and is known to have actively campaigned for the recognition of an independent Somaliland. President Farole remarked that Mr. Bryden co-authored "reports critical of Puntland even during his time working for the ICG," a reference to the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based think tank. Puntland's leader said the UN Monitoring Group's reports makes false allegations that specific "pirate leaders" live free in Puntland. But President Farole denied this. "The man called Baqalyo is currently in Bossaso jail, but the report claims he's out free. Another man named Hanaano is now jailed in Yemen, but again the report says this man is free and lives in Puntland," Farole said. The president said he believes that pirates are able to reform and to reintegrate back to society through social and political support. "The report says the individual named Boyah is a notorious pirate leader. But Boyah admitted to have quit piracy before this administration was elected [in Jan. 2009] and has campaigned with religious leaders to discourage piracy across Puntland," the president added. President Farole said he was "surprised" that the report's recommendations call for international support to build coastguards for the TFG and Somaliland security forces. He said that the TFG has "never captured pirates" and Somaliland "claims to have jailed a few [pirates]." President Farole underscored that the anti-piracy campaign must begin in Puntland where there is a functioning government "that has always opposed ransom payments" and a stable region to build training centers, like the Armo Police Academy which was built with UN support.

Originally posted by Cowke: Col.Cismaan Diyaano oo Diidey in uu Xilka Wareejiyo March 13, 2010 Wararka caawa naga soo gaaraya magaalada Bosaso ayaa tibaaxaya in ay halkaasi ay ka jirto xaalad kacsanaan ah. Arintan ayaa salka ku haysa kadib markii Madaxweynaha Puntland Dr.Cabdiraxmaan faroole oo xilka PIS-ta u magacaabey Col.Cali Biingo, wareegtada Madaxweynaha ayaa waxaa ku cad in magicii laga bedelay Hay’addii PIS isla markaasna loo badalay PIA, wareegtada kuma cadda in xilkii laga qaadey Agaasimihii Col.Cismaan Maxamuud Cabdullaahi (Diyaano), laakiin waxaa ku cad in magaca laga badalay hay’adda isla markaana masuul cusub loo sameeyay. Wararka aan ka helayno magaalada Bosaso ayaa sheegaya in Cismaan Diyaano uu diidey xilka qaadis in lagu sameeyay isla markaana sheegay inaanu aqoonsanayn wareegtada Madaxweynaha, ayna tahay wax uu ka maqley saxaafadda , sidoo kale galabta ayaa laga dareemaayey dhaq dhaqaaq ciidan magaalada, waxaana ciidanka PIS-tu ay xireen wadooyinka soo gala halka ay degan yihiin isla markaana ay rasaas cirka u rideen. Dhanka kale waxaa heegan la geliyey ciidamo dhawaan magaalada la keenay kuwaas oo ku sugan madaxtooyada Bosaso iyo Dekadda Bosaso. Dhanka kale war aanu ka helnay magaalada Qardho ayaa sheegaya in Col.Cali Biingo oo ah ninka dhawaan Madaxweynuhu u magacaabey agaasimaha PIS-ta in uu ku sugan yahay magaalada Qardho isla markaana uu doonaayo in uu tago Bosaso. Abdirisaak Shiino Horseed Media In the article Col. Diyaano it seems hasn't heard of the president directly, rather it was through the media which he heard of the president decision to fire him and all he is saying, is unless he hears of the president directly he is still the head of Puntland Intelligence Agency (PIA) and Puntland Security Force (PSF). From what I hear the decision to fire Col. Diyaano has been reached, Puntlander welcome it and soon things will be made clear to Col. Diyaano once he get the decree issued yesterday. Let's not forget it's been only a day since the president signed the decree into law and as you all know things don't change over night.

AMY GOODMAN: While the pirates story has dominated the corporate media, there has been little to no discussion of the root causes driving piracy. Mohamed Abshir Waldo is a consultant and analyst in Kenya. He is Kenyan of Somali origin. In January, he wrote a paper called "The Two Piracies in Somalia: Why the World Ignores the Other?" He joins us on the phone right now from Mombasa. Welcome to Democracy Now! MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Hello. Thank you. AMY GOODMAN: Good to have you with us. Can you talk about what you think the two piracies are? MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Well, the two piracies are the original one, which was foreign fishing piracy by foreign trawlers and vessels, who at the same time were dumping industrial waste, toxic waste and, it also has been reported, nuclear waste. Most of the time, we feel it's the same fishing vessels, foreign fishing vessels, that are doing both. That was the piracy that started all these problems. And the other piracy is the shipping piracy. When the marine resources of Somalia was pillaged, when the waters were poisoned, when the fish was stolen, and in a poverty situation in the whole country, the fishermen felt that they had no other possibilities or other recourse but to fight with, you know, the properties and the shipping of the same countries that have been doing and carrying on the fishing piracy and toxic dumping. AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain what IUUs are? MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: IUUs are-I don't remember now, but it's uninterrupted an unreported fishing, unlicensed, unreported, uncontrolled, practically, fishing. Without [inaudible]- AMY GOODMAN: In your article, you say-in your article, you say it stands for illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing fleets from Europe- MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Correct. AMY GOODMAN: -and Arabia and the Far East. MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Correct, correct. And this has been known to both the countries in the West that had these fishing fleets, which included Spain, Italy, Greece, and eventually UK and others who joined later, as well as Russian. And, of course, there were many more from the East. And this problem has been going on since 1991. And the fishing communities and fishermen reported and complained and appealed to the international community through the United Nations, through the European Union, with no, actually, response in any form at all. They were totally ignored. AMY GOODMAN: Mohamed Abshir Waldo, explain how what you call "fishing piracy" began. MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Fishing piracy means fishing without license, fishing by force, even though the community complains, even though whatever authorities are there complain, even though they ask these foreign fishing fleets and trawlers and vessels that have no license, that have no permit whatsoever, when they tell them, "Stop fishing and get out of the area," they refuse, and instead, in fact, they fight. They fought with the fishermen and coastal communities, pouring boiling water on them and even shooting at them, running over their canoes and fishing boats. These were the problems that had been going on for so long, until the community organized themselves and empowered, actually, what they call the National Volunteer Coast Guard, what you would call and what others call today as "pirates." AMY GOODMAN: So you're saying illegal fishing is happening off the coast of Somalia. What countries are engaged in it? MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: The countries engaged include practically all of southern Europe, France, Spain, Greece, UK. Nowadays I hear even Norway. There were not many Scandinavians before, but Norwegian fishing now is involved in this, you know, very profitable fishing business. So, there are others, of course. There are Russian. There are Taiwanese. There are Philippines. There are Koreans. There are Chinese. You know, it's a free-for-all coast. And to make things worse, we learned that now that the navies and the warships are there; every country is protecting their own illegal fishing piracies-vessels. They have come back. They ran away from the Somali volunteer guards, coast guards, but now they are back. And they are being protected by their navies. In fact, they are coming close to the territorial waters to harass again the fishermen, who no longer have opportunity or possibility to fish on the coast because of the fear of being called pirates and apprehended by the navy, who are at the same time protecting the other side. So the issue is really a matter of tremendous injustice, international community only attending and talking and coming to the rescue of the-of their interests and not at all considering or looking from the Somalis' side. This does not mean I am condoning or anyone is condoning piracy or endangering the life of innocent sailors and crews or damaging the property of others, but these people, these fishermen-turned-pirates, had no alternative but to protect themselves, to protect their turf, to-you know, an act of desperation, you might call it. AMY GOODMAN: What do people in Somalia feel about the pirates, the issue of pirates off the coast? MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: A mixed reaction, I think, in Somalia. The people do not want the innocent sailors to be harmed. They don't want any major environmental disasters to happen by blowing up chemical- or oil-carrying vessels. And they urge the pirates, or fishermen pirates, they urge them not to do any such things. On the other hand, since there's no sympathy, there's no understanding, there is no readiness for dialogue with the coastal community, with the community in general, with the Somali authorities or the regional government or the national government on a joint action for solving these problems, then it's each for his own way of doing. But the people are very concerned. On the one hand, they would like this to be resolved peacefully; on the other, they feel very sad for injustice being done by the international community. AMY GOODMAN: A little more on the issue of toxic dumping, if you would, Mohamed Abshir Waldo. I don't think people in the United States understand exactly what it is you're referring to and how it affects people. MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Well, toxic dumping, industrial waste dumping, nuclear dumping, as you are probably aware and have heard and many people know, for quite some time, in the '70s mainly, in the '80s, in the '90s, there was a lot of waste of all these kinds that companies wanted to get rid of, following very strict environmental rules in their countries. So where else to take but in countries in conflict or weak countries who could not prevent them or who could be bought? So these wastes have been carried to Somalia. It's been in the papers. It has been reported by media organizations like Al Jazeera, I think, like CNN. Many had reported about the Mafia, Italian Mafia, who admitted it, dumping it in Somalia for quite some time, for quite a long time. And as we speak now, I heard yesterday, in fact, another vessel was captured in the Gulf of Aden by community-this time not pirates, by the community, when the suspected it, and it was carrying two huge containers, which it dumped into the sea when they saw these people coming to them. They have been apprehended. The vessel had been apprehended. Fortunately, the containers did not sink into the sea, but they are being towed to the coast. And this community has invited the international community to come and investigate this matter. So far, we don't have action. So this dumping, waste dumping, toxic dumping, nuclear waste dumping has been ongoing in Somalia since 1992. AMY GOODMAN: When I read your article, Mohamed Abshir Waldo, it reminded me of a controversial memo that was leaked from the World Bank-this was when Lawrence Summers, now the chief economic adviser, was the chief economist at the World Bank-in which it said, "I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest-wage country is impeccable, and we should face up to that. I've always thought that under-populated countries in Africa are vastly under-polluted." He said he was being sarcastic. MOHAMED ABSHIR WALDO: Actually, the more formal official concerned with this UN habitat has also confirmed in various reports that this has been dumped in Somalia. The special representative of the Secretary-General, Ould-Abdullah, who is now working with the Somali authorities, has also, I think, made a statement to that effect. So it is very well known. It's not something hidden. It's not something we are making up. The world knows, but it doesn't do anything about it. AMY GOODMAN: Mohamed Abshir Waldo, thank you for joining us, a consultant in Kenya, speaking to us from Mombasa

It's really mindboggling the way members here can't seem to stay positive and on topic about anything concerning Somalia's Puntland State. That said, if I can comment on the topic at hand, the TFG in my opinion should quit hampering Puntland hard work on its much needed development; the Somali president's decision to hamper the Puntland-TFG agreement signed in Galkayo showed how little his government cares about Puntland progress then and this new development coming from his energy minister in my opinion again shows how little they care of Puntland and its people. I guess the people of Puntland can sleep a little better knowing they have a government of their own in place which presently operates wholly autonomously of Sheikh Sharif and his cabinet ministers. Basically the current TFG government has no direct authority in Puntland, which, in its old and new constitution, retains the right to negotiate its status with the "federal" government of Somalia. Puntland's new constitution states: "Pending the completion of the Federal Constitution, ratified by Puntland, and approved by a popular referendum, Puntland State shall have the status of an independent State".

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: Somali Christian has every right to be in the Somali government!!! Indeed! Just confused about this Arman individual's faith, thank you for clarifying.

Originally posted by Peacenow: quote:Originally posted by Shilling: quote: Originally posted by Peacenow: quote: Originally posted by Shilling: HBU is a Christian university where the Christian faith and learning go hand in hand. So unless this Arman individual is a Christian I have every reason to be shocked. I thought the man was Muslim and in my opinion no Muslim should even consider attending a Christian university; again ninka maa laa hubaa inuu Muslim yahay? So what if it is. Such hypocrisy. Why are you living in the West then?? I have no problem with HBU, as a Muslim though I wouldn't consider attending it for the same reason a Christian wouldn't considering attending Al Azhar university in Cairo or the University of Madina Munawara since the focus on both institutions is the Islamic faith. I worship Allah not the cross; HBU has every right to fulfill its responsibility on the renewal of Christian higher education on Christians, a Muslim though has no place in it is all I'm saying. No hypocrisy in that. There is nothing wrong with attending a Christian focused institution. All the better if it encourages inter faith dialogue and networking. What is wrong with that? You are part of these heretics that are quite happy to live off Western technology and work and then promote hatred. You have done nothing and contributed nothing but failure. Your values, culture, thought process. All failed. There is everything wrong with attending a Christian focused institution if your Muslim. I don’t know whether or not your being naive here, but a Christian faith-based school expects its teachers, including its student to support its Christian perspective. Case in point (Read the link): http://wyndham-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/muslim-student-teacher-refused-position-at-christ ian-college/ And for the record I’m all for interfaith dialogue and networking between Christians and Muslim just not in a Christian focused institution or an Islamic one for that matter. Neither supports the others perspective and since that is the case a true genuine interfaith of anything in my opinion can only take place in a setting free of either’s influence. p.s. Easy with the personal attack sxb; I strongly believe in Surah 109: I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. And I will not worship what you worship, Nor will you worship what I worship. Your way is yours, and my way is mine. Thus, I respect all fellow humans regardless of their beliefs, race, or cultural background.

Originally posted by Peacenow: quote:Originally posted by Shilling: HBU is a Christian university where the Christian faith and learning go hand in hand. So unless this Arman individual is a Christian I have every reason to be shocked. I thought the man was Muslim and in my opinion no Muslim should even consider attending a Christian university; again ninka maa laa hubaa inuu Muslim yahay? So what if it is. Such hypocrisy. Why are you living in the West then?? I have no problem with HBU, as a Muslim though I wouldn't consider attending it for the same reason a Christian wouldn't considering attending Al Azhar university in Cairo or the University of Madina Munawara since the focus on both institutions is the Islamic faith. I worship Allah not the cross; HBU has every right to fulfill its responsibility on the renewal of Christian higher education on Christians, a Muslim though has no place in it is all I'm saying. No hypocrisy in that.

Originally posted by Haatu: ^ are you sure it's just not a name thing because here in Britain, I've seen a lot of Muslims go to Canterbury Christ University? It might be the same thing. Then perhaps our communities both here in the United States and Britain should consider educating the ill informed Muslim. No Muslims should be attending any learning institutions with Christ and Baptist in its names. It is a known fact that the Christian faith and learning go hand in hand in such institutions.