Are the Ethiopians richer than us? no Are they naturlay more clever? No Have they got a fine government ? No I think Abdiqasin needs to share some blame, such as not overpowering or reconciling with warlords in his home town Mogadishu. Ethiopia is a weak state, run by the Tigray, 5 million population and yesterdays refugees. We have nothing to fear from them if we settle our domestic problems. Their vast armies are made up of conscripts mostly Oromo and Amhara, who hate the state government, they are currupt and economicaly weak. So what are we afraid of? Ethiopia is no Isralel, see the palastinians have a real problem.

Its funny how A,J.T states that Somaliland is the bomb, I agree a most deadly ticking bomb. Lander & Jin, Federalism, yes the same as USA or Germany or India designed for us Somalia. Power is decentralised otherwise it would be a central state. Each state would have its own legislator, elected mayor and a cabinet to run the affairs of the state. Each state would agree run its budget and make its one laws according to the will of its population. Of course there must be a unifying power and that is the federal government in lets say Mogadishu. Each state would have state and national election where a number of representatives would be sent to the federal parliament. It works and we as Somali’s are not inventing this federalism. Again what’s wrong with it? Why couldn’t an African state have such a formula? It was not the UNION between the south and the north that failed but the regime and its form of centralist administration. If you ignore the symptoms then you will never get cured. Blame a clan, a man even a flag all you like. However this will make your journey a bit longer and more tedious. So who opposes this Federalism idea, well Mogadishu warlords appose it, why because it strips their power which is based on their conrol of Mogadishu the centralist capital. Now Mogadishu would if chosen to be capital keep some power but would not effect the day to day running of the states. This reduction in power they fear most. Others oppose it because they fear that Somalia would break up, that Somalia needs a central government to curb what they see as the danger of LAND’s as they see this as clan dominance and they fear that the Somali identity would be lost. Most of this group are scholars, former communist and ultra nationalist (if Somalia has them). Some who use this argument are ultra CLANIST and see their clans emergence to absolute power being checked. The other group is Somaliland, but why would Somaliland oppose this formula which results in them attaining autonomy and their state without bloodshed or loss of property? This is because they want federalism or confederation (other form of decentralisation) based on the 1960 union of two states. Again this argument is no better than the XAMAR warlords as it does not reflect reality on the ground. This is also based on the fear that Somaliland is not more important economically politically and geographically than Say a JUBALAND state in the south. There are some in Somaliland that fear loss of prestige, its black and white a Somaliland republic or obscurity. Hence this quote is quite suitable. “Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

Federalism will save Somalia if rightly implemented. Decentralisation of power the development of the vast empty lands that is Somalia. Local priorities would be dealt with in a much better way than has been so far in the first republic. Federalism would bring order and responsibility to the country, every Somali would have confidence in the country and associate with his region not fearing the Influence of the state that much. There would be competition between states and then economic dependency would ensure that a new Somali identity would emerge and then over time the regions or states would be a much more powerful symbol than the clan. Federalism would empower the people and weaken the Secretariats, be it a president or PM, the centre of power would not necessarily be in one location or with one person. The idea that these states would fight is absurd, look at Puntland and Somaliland with all their differences there has never been an all out war, why because the dynamics of various neighbouring clans with ancient ties would not allow any of the state leaders to start a war. In the south where you have marauding single clan entities its easy to start conflict. Look all the recent out breaks of war have been between Sub clans of the same grouping fighting each other. If there were super states like Puntland it would be hard for leaders, elders and legislators to start a war over a well or because MUSA SUDI said so. How ever those who support centralism like SAMATAR and some warlords no doubt see their dream of power eroding day by day as the advent of the state system emerges. Somaliland leaders no doubt want a federal system based on a two state solution; this is not possible because the Somalia today will be no smaller than 5 states. This reality also shocks all those who believe Somalia will break up. Like Germany, India, Canada the US and a few others such as Australia have broken up. We can’t ignore that we need a government that inspires the business ethos of the Somali people, one that defends us and stays away from over regulating business. A government that helps maintain a balance and develops the economy of the shattered state. Everybody fears change but if you don’t change you don’t evolve and then your extinct. All Somali’s deserved and have a right to live in freedom in their own territories and given the chance all Somali’s would embrace this ideal.

I agree with Dharbaaxo jin, not everything is Somaliand Vs Puntland. This tragedy in Mudug had nothing to do with the two states. Howver as I recollect it was Angel Dust who tried to use this tragedy as apolitical point. I think people need to first read what they intend to post from the net

peace Insha Allah

S- Warrior many thanks for your astute observations. Puntland is a model matket economy its strength is from many cities and not one. Gediid, for once you spoke the truth how Ironic that one who used to wear Siilanyo's face can be so honest. Angel Dust, You are mighty quite but alas you are getting bored with Somaliland Vs Puntland and you want a Somaliweyn, lets hope shall we. Lander, Bro what can I say, Puntland is Bigger than Somaliland.

Bro, I think you are right to be worried of change, but I think Somali's conflict in the past was never as Brutal and chaotic as what happened since 1978. Mechanised warfare has changed conflict forever, examople yesterday over 40 diesd in Afbarwaqo a village in mudug, how can this be? Afbarwaqo hasent got that large a population to lose, yet it happens because there sis abundance of weponary, more wepons than medacine. So any conlfict would be a disaster. The aim should be to disarnm and pacify the country and bring the rule of law back. The eldored conference aims to creates a shered government, where no clan will be left out and a form of chech and balance is made. If this takes place no warlord or faction will have the excuse to use the clan card, as their clan memebrs will be in governement. Also no one clan can dominate the adminstration, such as what happened in ARTA. In summary we hope for change and to get out of this our great depression. In terms of history it (was Kenadeed and his son in Hobyo, his cousin was the Boqor in Bari and their war was a decades before hobyo)

I agree with Horn, Arabic should be the seconf official language because of our Islamic heritage and proximaty to the Arab world. But English is quite important as many Somali's in the diaspora speak English and this should be taken into account. With regards to Somali language, i think it is correct for the May May to be recognised it is part of our heratage.

I feel tired, I feel frustrated, I feeel hopless and helpless and ignorant and ****** . I hate what I am at times and then I wake up and remember that today is a new day and that anything is possible. I think and remember that greater people fell that millions perished that wars raged and that peace is possible. So while I knwo that no one will help me, I must try and help myslef. I msut forgive and remember never to forget. Qoslaaye this meeting is posative and Insha Allah we will rehabilatate the Mooriyaans and help the woman and kids.

No body is forcing you to come back, how come you hear none Hargaysa and Burco triangle Somali’s arguing for Somaliland. Somaliweyn means AWDAL, SOOL and SANAG Your importance to us is that we will never accept this Somaliland entity which resides in your head. Lose SOOL and SANAG and Puntland will recognise you. Keep dreaming and alas you can look forward to EDNA and RIYAALE visiting Ethiopia’s foreign minister and leaving with empty promises. There is a new Somalia, which will shake your beliefs to their foundation.

Brother, Dont lose hope because hope is the essence of life. Somali's may seem ignorant but so did the whole western world in 1942. We are a young nation who are not that much worse than those who have governments, look at Ethiopia and Djabouti as prime eamples. This meeting/ conference is quite different and I find its progress quite promising. It has moved away from the centre, it has adopted to try out federalism. It has recognisd Somaliland and Puntland's profress over the years. This in itself is the greatest progress, as the south is undertsanding that Power is changing and that they cannot ignore this change. Tribalism has never been the only problem, but tribalism and mismanagement and the sheer incompetence of ur leaders has resulted in the demise of our race. The truth is that, Puntland can go it alone Somaliland wont be recognised as a soverign state, That somalia is more than XAMAR. No clan is supreme and that the law must protect everyone even the minorities.

Angel my dear, while Puntland is larger than Somaliland it is only part of Somalia. Puntland does not cover the whole of Somalia. It covers the whole North east and parts of the centre. Dear there is no fighting in Puntland but there is trouble in the neighbouring southern Mudug region. Afbarwago is a twon south of Galkacyu, it is not part of PUNTLAND. Even though it sadens us greatly and we are troubled by the fighting of our brothers, we hope and prey for a swift resouloution insha Allah.

Dear Lander, I think Somaliland and its people ahve to get an alternative to breaking away from Somalia. This will happen when there is a greater peace in the southern regions. Puntlands example is that you can have autonomy and progress without the need to break away ever arising. I think it will take time and re educating both groups Somaliweyn and the landers to seek a middle ground and to compromise. Somaliland should keep its flag and parliment and should be intergrated into somalia. I think this is true even of Puntland and other parts of Somalia. Somali's as awhole need to be intergrated together and to leave the apast behind. The issue of the Ogaden and NFD i agree war is foolish and that the Somali states should put maximum effort in the future to improve the lifes of the Somali's in those states in order to have greater relations with Kenya and Ethiopia. In the future Somali's living in foreign countries will be an asset to the Somali republic and people as we can have a greater influance on those parties. We have no Amhara's or Tagrays in Somalia, but we have Somali's in Ethiopia. The same applies to Kenya. For these states to keep Somali teritory they must respect Somali lives.

PUNTLAND I truly love Puntland, Puntland = progress

Listen why go around in circles. Somalilanders blame everything on the other Somali's. They blame their poverty on them, they blame their ill health on them.They blame the break up of their marraiage on them. They blame and blame and blame. But the truth is that this will continue for they are life long blamers.

The most realistic stance in Somali political thought. Why not recognise two states in the North with more formed in the south bringing together Somalia. Proud to be from Puntland, proud to be Somali

Smatar is a man on Abdiqasin's pay rol. This explains most of his recent actions when he insults Abdulla Deerow and Xasan Abshir. His hate for Somaliland and Puntland is such that he refers to them as non existing entities. The man is a total failure politicaly, he thrives on the centralist mentality totaly disregarding other forms of decentralisation, for an academic living in the United States, he seems to be ignorant of the benefits of regional autonomy. He also supports Mogadishu's warlords stance which is totaly out of step with the needs of the population. He is the worst kind of Somali weyn supporter and has so far dented the aspirations of those who support that ideology. I would like to remind the dear fellow. "for those who can do those who cant teach"

Many thanks sister Ilhan Education is the most important thing we can give our people.

Horn, They are two states of Somalia each is made up of regions. For the sake of peace one week as Mobb Deep said should be enough after that, normallity should resume LOL. Bari & A.T.J its good to have dialogue see what can be achieved when people actually speak. Somaliland should have their own flag, capital and everything else this is not in contention. But breaking away, war and claims over SSH is the contention.

Guraad, the pictures seem to be from 5 years or more ago have you got any more recent?

Che that part its called Puntland, Like Somaliland is not WAQOYI But on the SSH part its part of PUNTLAND

Horn brother, Local priorities state that PUNTLAND and SOMALILAND must seek peace, because the rest of Somalia has no border with the entity known as Somaliland, its Puntland. But the peace between Puntland and Somaliland is one between two Somali states, get it?

A.J T Your argument now is you cant rep your land because you are not there LOL Desperate times call for desperate measures LOL Angel, what happened looking for more evidance that your election took place in Puntland, Hell no girl dont waste your time.

I thank you AJ.T, a compliment form you means a lot. Lets extend the peace to Angel Eyes DUST , Gediid, Mobb Deep etc. we need to halt hostilities for 1 week. can it be done A.J.T?

Shirkada isgaarsiinta Galkom oo xarun cusub ka furtay Buurtinle - Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 11:42 Buurtinle, (AllPuntland)- Shirkada isgaarsiinta talefanada ee Galkom ayaa xarun cusub ka furtay magaaladda Buurtinle oo ah dagmo ka tirsan gobolka Nugaal. Xaruntan cusub oo bixindoonta adeegyo ay ka mid yihiin Galinta taleefanada guryaha, taleefanada gacanta ee Mobile-ka loo yaqaano, adeegsiga iscimaalka aalada Internetka iyo Korantada oo habayn iyo maalinba leh ayaa waxaa maanta kormeer ku tagay xarunta cusub ee shaqo bilawday, Madaxwaynaha shirkadaha isgaarsiinta ee laysku yiraahdo S T G ( Somali Telcom Group) Eng: C/saaq Shiikh Ibraahim iyo madax kale oo ka tirsan howlwadeenada shirkada. Eng. Ibraahim oo ka hadlayay kulan ay isugu yimaadeen masuuliyiinta iyo howlwadeenada shirkada oo ka dhacay magaaladda Buurtinle ayaa uga mahad celiyay shaqaalaha iyo masuuliyiinta shirkada ee ka howlgala halkaasi shaqada muhiimada leh ee ay u hayaan shirkada, sidoo kale Eng: Ibraahim wuxuu kaloo sheegay inaan fari ka qodnayn hirgalinta xarumaha kala duwan ee shirkadu doonayso inay ka samayso magaalooyinka dalka Soomaaliya. Masuuliyiinta shirkadu waxay kaloo hormeer ku soo sameeyeen habka ay u shaqeeyaan Taawarada ay shirkadu u isticmaasho isku gudbinta jabaqda ee loo yaqaano ( microwave link). Qaybta farsamada ee shirka ee dagmada Buurtinle ayaa ii sheegay in galinta taleefanada guryaha ay ku socoto xowli aad u sareeya, islamarkaasna dhowrkii maalmood ee la soo dhaafay ay galiyeen in ka badan 123 line. Furitaanka xarunta ee shirka ayaa magaaladda Buurtinle ka dhigtay mid kamida dagmooyinka ugu nasiibka badan Puntland. Shirkada taleefanada ee Galkom iyo shirkadaha ay ka midka tahay ee S T G waxay ka mid tahay shirkadaha ugu waawayn dalka Soomaaliya, waxaa waliba dadka qaarki sheegaan in shirkada STG ay tahay tan ugu wayn shirkadaha ka howlgala dalka Soomaaliya. AllPuntland, Somaliya