Ayoub Shiekh, You do protest to much friend And you exagerate way too much your importance LOL No one was talking about you, and no one wants you to fall in love with anything. Its your life son. The point was that we are moving along quite smoothly thank you. mY HYPE, you seem to give me too much credit to much respect. I created the federal map and now I have created the hype surrounding the meetings. Fact 1)Puntland as a whole is in the meeting oppositiona and government. 2) The TNG or ART is there 3) HIIRAAN and all their leaders are there 4)Mohamed Dhere and JOWHAR are there 5)Hussein Aydeed, Osman Ato, Qaynyare, Musa Sudi Yalaxow, Hillowle Iman Omar, AND all the USC are there 5) The SSNM and the Dir Grouping are there, C/lahi Shiekh Ismail and Abdi warsame Issaq. 6) The RRA are there all two factions and splinter groups. 7) Reer XAMAR, Jareerweyn and all the southern groups are there. 8) Somali religious griups are there. 9) Women groups are there 10)The NGOs and parties concerned with Somalia are there. 11) Alot of NW ppl are there, General Ghalib, BUBA, KALLUN and countless ones. Full reprsentation of The North Esat Central, South East and South West are there, and this is ulike any of the 13 other meetings. SO IS THIS MY HYPE OR FACTS ON THE GROUND?

Qaar Ka Mid Ah beelaha H.A.W.I.Y.E Oo taageeray HobyoNet Muqdisho.Talaado,22-July-03. Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Neyroobi ayaa sheegaya in shirar ay lahaayeen beesha xaaji Saleebaan ee ********** oo looga hadlaayay xaalada shirka & Mowqifkooda ku aadan. Waxaana ka soo qeyb galay Siyaasiyiinta, waxgaradka & Odayaasha dhaqanka, ayaa la sheegay iney go’aansadeen iney taageeraan musharaxnimada Col. Cabdullaahi Yuusuf, waxeyna noqoneysaa beeshii ugu horreysay ee ku dhawaaqdo taageerida musharax aan ka soo jeedin beelaha HAWEYE, iyadoo sida la ogyahay Mr. Maxamed Max’uud Gacma-dheere oo ah siyaasi u dhashay beesha uu dhowaan booqday Gobolada Puntland ahna ninka ka dambeeyay musharaxnimada Col. Cabdullaahi Yuusuf.

Beesha uu ka dhashay siyaasiga Gacmo Dheere oo taageertay musharaxnimada Col. C/llaahi Yuusuf Sida uu saaka daabacay wargeyska Codka Xoriyadda ee maalinlaha kana soo baxa magaalada Muqdisho cadadkiisii 702-aad ayaa wuxuu sheegay in beesha reer Xaaji Saleebaan oo ka mid ah beelaha H./GEDIR oo uu ka dhashay siyaasiga lagu magacaabo Max’ed Max’ud Guuleed (Gacmo Dheere) ayaa noqotay beeshii ugu horreysay ee taageerta musharaxnimada madaxweynaha maamul goboleedka Puntland Col. C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed oo isagu ah siyaasi ka soo jeeda beelaha D.A.R.OD . Beesha Reer Xaaji Saleebaan ayey wararku sheegayaan in ay aad u soo dhaweysay musharaxnimada C/llaahi Yuusuf iyadoo C/llaahi Yuusuf oo horey booqasho howleed ula soo maray deegaanada Puntland xiriiriyaha dallada Aragtida xisbiyada siyaasadeed ee dalka Dr. Max’ed Max’ud Guuleed (Gacmo Dheere) oo ka mid ahaa musharaxiintii shirkii Carte kana qeyb galaya hadda shirka ka soconaya Mbaghati. Warar ku dhow dhow beesha oo uu ka soo jeedo Gacmo dheere ayaa waxey sheegayaan in ay magacaabeen guddi qaabilsan taageerida C/llaahi Yuusuf iyo sidii loogu ololeyn lahaa musharaxnimadiisa waxaana guddigaasi ka mid ah sida qoraalka wargeyska Codka Xoriyada ku soo baxay saaka xubno ay ka mid yihiin Daahir Rooble Warfaa, Siciid Siyaad Shirwac, Salaad Yuusuf Dhoole Yare, Max’ed Xasan Barow, Max’ed Cabdulle Furre, Xildhibaan Cabdi Faarax Jaamac (Cabdi dheere), Cusmaan Abti Doon iyo xubno kale. Wariye Cabdishakuur Cilmi Xasan ,Dayniile,Muqdisho,Somaliya

Angel dear forever the pessimist, Somalia is not ugly how dare you say such a thing LOL. Again you seem to think Puntland is in disarray them why would the UN say it’s an economically booming area who gave them such ideas was that mischievous Samurai Warrior? Dear the Mgathi meeting is going so well its starting to unnerve the real secessionists up in the North West such as Mr Warrabe, he might even go To Mogadishu in order to hold his now famous press conferences however if he ever came to PUNLTLAND we would deport his sorry self back to Finland. How about old man HADRAWE travelling in a peace march reminds me of Mahatma Ghandi. Oh well he would probably be arrested once he lands in Hargaysa because in Somaliland democracy means that you have no right to hold your own beliefs let alone express them. Gulwade Kahin will arrest you and deport you and then have it on the BBC in order to inform the world that he has a democratic state running. Great democracy, unrecognised fragmented and now run like a police state.

S-Warrior, missed your contribution lately man, where have you been? Mr Ooodweyn, what is this, your nationalist's are taking the conference seriously. Well for UCID to little to late, the government is coming boy. Weither you run to the warlords in Mogadishu or go on peace trips to kismayu, surely the North West is becoming engaged once again to SOMALI WEYN.

Mr Faisal Warrabe is one confused person. He likes to talk to much kinda reminds me of Musa Sudi Yalaxow.

BARI NOMAD, THanks for the post about the returning Somali's. I hadn't come across that one, it was quite informative.

Ergada beesha caalamka ujoogta shirka Mbagathi iyo Guddiga farsamada IGAD oo ka eexday madaxweyne Cabdiqaasim Salaad iyo labada garab ee DKMG oo shuruudo adag ku xiray... . Ruunkinet 21/07/03 Guddiga farsamada IGAD iyo ergooyinka caalamka ee daneynaya shirka dib u heshiisiinta Soomaalida uga soconya Mbagathi ayaa si weyn uga eexday madaxweynaha dowladda KMG ah mudane Cabdiqaasim Salaad Xasan. Ka eexashada Cabdiqaasim Salaad ay ka eexdeen kooxdan is bahaysatay ayaa ka dambeysay kagadaal markii ay u diideen in ay aqbalaan qoraal uu madaxweynaha uga codsaday guddoomiyaha guddiga farsada IGAD Amb. Kibligad in uu xilka hoggaanka ergada Dowladda KMG ah ka qaado Ra'isul wasaare Xasan Abshir Faarax iyo Guddoomiyaha baarlamaanka KMG mudane Cabdalla Deerow. Mudane Cabdiqaasim ayaa ka qaaday labadan mas'uul hoggaaminta ergada DKMG uga qeyb galaysa shirka dib u heshiisiinta Soomaalida ee shirka Mbagathi asagoo markaasi ku bedelay ku xigeennada ras'ul wasaaraha DKMG iyo guddomiye ku xigeenka Baarlamaaka KMG ah Cismaan Kalluun iyo Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf oo si weyn haatan uga amar qaata madaxweynaha. Mar aan wareysanay dad hog ogaal ah aqoonna u leh dastuurka iyo sharciga ayaa noo sheegay in madaxweynaha xaq u leeyahay in uu ka qaado Xasan Abshir iyo Deerow hoggaaminta ergada DKMG ee ka qeyb galaya shirka dib u heshiisiinta maadaama uu asaga soo magacaabay balse uusan xaq u lahayn in uu ka qaado xilkka jagooyinkooda asaga oo aan u marin cod u qaadidda baarlamaanka in kastoo uu asaga u magacaabay jagada ras'usul wasaaraha ayna aqbaleen golaha baarlamaanka KMG ee xilligoodu sii dhamaanaya. Dhinaca kale, labada garab ee DKMG ayaa shuruud adag ku xiray heshiisiinta dhex dooda. Garabka uu hoggamiyaya madaxweynaha ayaa waxaa ka go'an in marka hore la bedelo Xasan Abshir iyo Deerow halka kooxda ay hoggaminayaan Xasan Abshir iyo Deerow ay ku xireen laba qodob oo kale ah in marka hore madaxweynha cudur daar ka bixiyo qoraalka uu xilka hoggaaminta uga qaadayo labadan mas'uul iyo in uu siiyo mushaarka xildhibaanada firkradiisa ka horjeeda iyo kuwa aan tegin magaalada Muqdisho markii uu codsaday in dhamaan labada gole ee DKM ah ku soo laabtaan Xamar kal hore maadaam lacatan tahay mid ay xaq u leeyihiin oo la siiyay xildhibaanada raacsan fikrada Cabdiqaasim Salaad. Dad ku dhow dhow mas'uulinta ugu sareysa dowladda KMG ah oo ay ugu horreeyaan madaxweynaha, R/Wasaaraha iyo guddoomiyaha BKMG ayaa sheegaya in ay isku qab qabsadeen hanti qaran oo ah deeq lacageed oo laga soo qaaday wadamada carabta haatanna gacanta ugu jirta madaxweynaha DKMG iyo wasiirka maaliyadda DKMG ah. Cabdullahi Xuseen, www.Ruunkinet.com London

Xuseen Caydiid “Aniga haddii la ii doorto xilka madaxweynanimada waxaan gacan ka geysan doonaa.iyo warar kale Muqdsho Guddoomiyaha isbaysiga SNA kana mid ah musharaxiinta ku loolamaysa madaxtinimada shirka Mbaghati Xuseen Max’ed Caydiid ayaa sheegay in haddii loo doorto xilka madaxweynanimada uu gacan ka geysan doono arrimo fara badan, wuxuuna sheegay in uu ka qeyb qaadan doono sidii Soomaaliya nabad loogu soo dabaali lahaa. “Aniga haddii la ii doorto xilka madaxweynanimada waxaan gacan ka geysan doonaa arrimo ay ka mid yihiin dhinaca nabad galyada, siyaasadda dibadda, adeegyada bulshada, iyo arrimo kale oo fara badan” ayuu yiri Xuseen Caydiid oo intaasi ku daray in haddii loo doorto jagadaasi isaga oo ah nin da’ yar uu hanan doono buuxinta xilka qaran ee madaxweynaha Soomaaliya. Xildhibaanadii Carte kuwo ka badan oo soo xulitaankooda ay maalmaha soo socota Mbaghati Xildhibaanadii dowladda KMG ah ee lagu soo dhisay shirkii Carte kana koobnaa 245 xubnood oo qaarkood ay gudan waayeen howlahoodi xildhibaaninimo ayna buuxiyeen kaalintoodi xildhibaano cusub ayaa lagu wadaa maalmaha soo socda Mbaghati in laga xulo xildhibaano ka tiro badan oo gaaraya illaa 351, waxaana soo xulidda xildhibaanadaasi ka qaadan doona hoggaamiye kooxeedyada ka qeyb galaya shirka Mbaghati. Xildhibaanada la soo dooran doono ayaa la filayaa qaar ka mid ah in ay noqdaan kuwii lagu soo doortay madasha Carte sanadka 2000, waxaana la filayaa maalmaha soo socota in la dhameystiro soo gudbinta xubnaha buuxinaya jagadan kuwaasoo marka la doorto iyaguna dooran doona gabagabada shirka madaxweynaha Soomaaliya. Warar ku dhow dhow xubnaha buuxinaya xubininimada baarlamaanka ayaa waxey sheegayaan in laga yaabo hoggaamiye kooxeeyada in ay ka mid noqdaan intooda badan mudane ka tirsan baarlamaanka Soomaaliya. webmaster@dayniile.com

UN-ka oo Taageeray heshiiskii Kooxaha Somalida iyo Shirkaba - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 13:01 Nairobi, (AllPuntland)- Shalay galabnimadii waxaa Gogosha nabadaynta Soomaaliyeed ee Mbagathi soo gaaray qoraal uu soo diray xog-haya guud ee qaramada Midoobay Kofi Anan, qoraalkaasi oo uu ku taageerayo heshiiskii 5-tii bishaan aynu ku jirno ay wada gaareen ka qayb galayaasha shirka dib u heshiisiinta Soomaaliyeed. Mr Kofi Anan ayaa sheegay in Qaramada Midoobay ay taageersan tahay heshiiskii ay dhawaantan gaareen madaxda uu shirku u socod, isla markaana wuxuu sheegay inay Qaramada Midoobay diyaar ay u tahay inay caawiso dawladda ay soo dhistaan madaxda shirku u socdo. Qaramada midoobay ayaa codsatay in shirka laga mira dhaliyo oo dadka Soomaaliyeed la badbaadiyo, wuxuu kaloo sheegay qoraalka Kofi Anan in Qaramada Midoobay ay dawladda dhalan doonta ka caawin doonto dhinacyada dib u dhiska iyo maamulka. Beesha caalamka ayaa u muuqata in ay danaynayso inay shirkaan hadda loo fadhiyo dawlad ka dhalato, ayadoo maalmihii la soo dhaafayna ay ugu dambeeyeen kuwa taageeradooda heshiiskii 5-ta bishaan iyo rajada dawlada dhalandoonta muujiyay ay ka mid ahaayeen AU (Midowga Afrika) iyo EU (Midowga Yurub). Cabdulqaadir C. Cusmaan (Farayaamo AllPuntland, Somaliya

Mobb Deep, Bro I think you don’t get the gist of the matter, there are emerging states, and there is a peace treaty which aims to strengthen theses states. It is supported by the whole international community. All the heavy hitters are there, in one roof and I think there is only abut two or three weeks left. This is not my desire it’s the truth. All I was conveying was that as things stand those in federalist camp are on the winning side. Those mixing their desire for the status quo to remain and ignore facts are the ones who should be questioned. Ayub Shiekh, I like the fact that you call on the true patriots to intervene as your knowledge of current affairs is lacking, why not call upon more informed people such as Oodweyn to give a meatier answer to how the secessionist would survive in this new reality? I quote, “The same way we survived Siad's givernment, the burden is on you to present something that challenges Somaliland” Again we are dealing within the realms of the unknown, because you haven’t got the faintest idea on how you the secessionists are going to survive. This is not lets keep bashing Siyad Barre its about identity no one is going to invade or imprison people, its about giving people a choice an alternative.

Shirka Embagathi ayaa wada qorshe ay iyagu ku doonayaan inay wax kaga bedelaan qaabka uu shirka u soconayo iyadoo lagu wado inuu shirka galo wejigiisii sadexaad. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mbagathi, July 18, 2003 ( Allsomali.com ) Gudiga fulinta shirka Embagathi ayaa wada qorshe ayaa qorshe iyagu ku doonayaan inay wax kaga bedelaan qaabka uu shirka u soconayo iyadoo lagu wado inuu shirka galo wejigiisii sadexaad. Shirka soomaalida uga socda dalka Kenya ayaa gelaya wejigiisii ugu dambeeyey oo ah in lasoo dhiso xubnaha barlamanka ka dibna loo gudbo doorashda madaxweynaha dowlad Federaalka iyadoo maaalinta beri ah lagu wado in ay soo xaadiraan dhamaan odayaasha iyo suldaanada beelaha Soomaaliyeed si ay siyaasiyiinta ugala qeyb qaataan soo xulida xubnaha Barlamanka. Guddiga farsamad IGAD ayaa ioyaguna dhankooda wada qorshayaal ay wax kaga bedelayaan wejiga labaad ee shirka maadaama loo gudbayo wejigii sadexaad. Todobaadka nagu soo aadan ayaa la filayaa in la dhigo xafladii furitaanka wejiga sadexaad ee shirka,dhinaca kale waxaa socda wadahadaladii lagu dhexdhexaadinayey mas'uuliyiinta DKMGka ah oo ay wadaan beesha caalamka iyadoo lagu waday in maalinimadii shalay in laga soo saaro go'aan kama dambeys ah ayaa dib loo dhigay iyadoo maanta dib markale laysugu soo laabanayo si loo gaarpo go'aan wax ku ool ah loogana gudbo khilaafka dowlafda KMGka u dhaxeeya.

Dil Toogasha Ah Oo Lagu Fuliyay Gacan Ku Dhiiglayaal Magaalada Boosaaso Xafiis Hawlaha Guud Oo Maamul goboleedka Puntland uu Ka Furtay Laascaanood Subaxnimadii saakay waxaa ka dhacay magaala Boosaaso xukun dil ah oo lagu fuliyay gacan ku dhiiglayaal horay u gaystay falal dil ah. Gacan ku dhiiglayaasha oo ahaa 3 ruux ayaa magacyadooda waxa la kala oran jiray Axmad Maxamuud Faarax, Maxammad Cabdi Guuleed, iyo Yuusuf Barshe Xuseen. Dilkan loo gaystay ayaa ka danbeeyay ka dib kolkii maxkamadda ciidanka ee Puntland qaraar ku gaartay in qoorta loo jaro saddaxda gacan ku dhiiglayaal oo muddadii ugu danbaysay ku jiray gacanta booliska maamul gobaleedka Puntland . asaastan ayaa ka dhacday goob fagaara ah oo ay isugu soo baxeen dadwaynea aad u fara badan oo iyagu ku faraxsanaa qaabka loola fal galay gacan ku dhiiglayaalsha, iyagoo u arkayey in nidaamka qasaasku yahay kan lagu kala badbaadi karo oo nolashu ku jirto . Saddaxdaan nin oo lagu fuiyeay qasaasta ayaa horay u dilay askar iyagu qudhooduna waxa ay ka tirsanaayeen ciidamada Puntland. Dhinaca kale waxa laga furay magaalada Laascaanood xafiiska hawlaha guud iyo gaadiidka ee dawlad gobaleedka Puntland, xafladda furitaanka saakay oo ka dhacday magaalada ayaa waxa ka hadlay oo muujiyay muhiimmada xafiiskaasi uleeyahay deegaanka isku duwaha wasaaradda hawlaha guud Maxammad Faarax Cageey . Guddoomiyuhu waxa uu carrabka ku dhuftay in shaqada xafiisku uu noqon doono mid ka tarjuma danaha dadka ku nool guud ahaan gobalka. Taliyaha qaybta booliska ee gobalka Sool gaashaanle sare C/llaahi maxammad Cabdi Geelle ayaa isna sheegay in xafiisku uu noqayo mid lagu baahiyo guud ahaan gobalka Sool isagoo sheegay in boolisku yahay baalasha ay ku duulaan hawlaha wasaaradaha. Ugu danbayntii taliyuhu waxa uu ka dalbaday oo uu ka codsay wasaaradaha kale in ay laamo ka samaystaan gobalka . C/llaahi Khadar, Goobjoog, Muqdisho WWW.GOOBJOOG.COM

Ayoub Shiekh brother, I will try to be as simple as I can be The map is not mine, is a theoretical map it shows the Somali territories as they could be under a federal formula. I did not create this map and as MOBB DEEP stated before nor did Puntland. No body is trying to divide land, land is not the issue the issue is identity, Somaliweyn, centralist, federalist etc. I don’t get the babble which you are trying to put forward as arguments, let me give you an overview. With regards to the states Puntland as you know is controlled from Garowe and has total control of the regions which it claims. It a player in the formation of federal states. Badoa has an embryonic administration that is the RRA, they have fractured lately but federalism is supported by 100% of the people of the region to have a full administration and self rule for the people of that area, it’s earmarked as ASAL on the map. That leaves two further states to be created in the south, Jubaland and the central region. My dear friend Jowhar (central region)has an administration which is united with hiiraan and Beledweyn the respective leaders there Colonel Qalad and Mohamed Dhere have both supported the creation of a state which will be joined by Galgadud and southern Mudug. This is fact and you can check countless news articles that will prove this. The capital will be a meeting place between the 4 states, when this is done. Somaliland will be approached and then negotiated with. There shall be a two state dialogue between Somaliland and Puntland. And then further talks should be done by the federal government and authorities in Somaliland. Somaliland as it is can be incorporated into the union. President Kahin will become Governor Kahin etc, you can even keep the flag. The agreement in Mgathi has been that all parties have signed to the establishment of a body that will oversee the creation of the states, this friend is another fact. The ingredients are there, but there was a need for a catalyst to kick start the experiment and that has been the meeting which is being supported by the whole international community. AU, EU and the security council of the UN all support this conference unlike the previous 13 meetings. I quote you “I like your 'no one has the devine right to be president' yell. Well, why don't you explain to me what Abdillahi Yusuf is to the Somalilanders who you wish they joined 'Puntlad Administration'?” What does that mean? What has Abdullahi Yusuf got to do with this argument? Another cheap shot “I know it has been a long time but i think you are getting desperate. I know the Puntu cow is not producing enough milk for the family, but every farmer down south is wiser and stronger this time to let you milk theirs.” How are we going to milk other peoples cows if the proposition is that they have full rights and control over their cows? Leave that arguments to a beginner, Puntland and I repeat needs not control an inch of Somalia other than theirs. Brother Puntland is more than 40% of Somalia with 800 mile coastline, we got too much land and way too many cows to handle. I remember General Mohamed Abshir Muse’s observation that this civil war was a blessing in disguise for the North East. We got HADRAWE roaming south Somalia and various other Somalilanders in Nairobi, but of course this doesn’t count. This exodus will expand when the new republic is formed that is another SNWestern guarantee. As if a veteran diplomat, you conclude ”I hope Somalia sorts itself out, soon but i don't think Kenya and other foreign governments involvolved will be for the interest of Somalis. Looking forward to your reply even though it is hard at to look at the map with a straight face.” I think that Ethiopia, Djabouti and Kenya on the same platform together with all their different interest in Somalia is progress in itself. Kenya’s new president is interested like the previous one in their place in history. Again we need real arguments and not the usual SNM is this and Somaliland is so rich, you call that debating? You make me laugh "King Aydeed" LOL what does that mean? so complex is your art. Stop avoiding the real question, how will the secessionist in Somaliland survive when this government is formed?

SOMALIA: Frontline states say they are united © Anthony mitchell Kenyan Foreign Minister Kalonzo Musyoka NAIROBI, 18 Jul 2003 (IRIN) - The frontline states, bordering Somalia, are united in their support for a successful outcome to the Somali peace talks currently underway in Kenya, according to a Kenyan foreign ministry statement. It quoted Foreign Minister Kalonzo Musyoka as saying that "contrary to recent media reports, the frontline states [Kenya, Djibouti, and Ethiopia] have, and will continue to urge the parties participating in the peace talks not to take measures that would jeopardise the process which has reached a critical stage". He stressed that Kenya would remain a neutral facilitator for both the Somali and the Sudan peace talks. He also "reaffirmed the Kenyan government's willingness to be part of any peacekeeping force to be deployed in Somalia", the statement said. Meanwhile, the minister denied press reports that Kenya would try to mediate in the strained relations between Somalia and Ethiopia. In a separate statement, he said "Kenya has never at any time been asked to mediate between the two neighbouring countries". [ENDS]

July 19, 2003 Mbagathi, KENYA Muuse Suudi, Inj Caddow Iyo Imaam Maxamuud Oo Gaaray Madasha Shirka Mbagathi Waxaa duhurnimadii maanta oo Jimca ahayd ka dhoofay garoonka Nambar konton ee goboka Shabeellada Hoose wafdi uu hoggaaminayo hogaamiye kooxeedka Muuse Suudi Yalaxow oo ka mid ahaa hogaamiyayaashii diiddanaa qodobbadii lagu gaaray shirkii dib u heshiisiinta Soomaalida dalka Kenya ee dhigayay in dalka laga dhiso dowlad Federaal ah iyo in xubnaha mudanayaasha laga dhigo 351 xildhibaan. Hogaamiye Muuse Suudi ayaa isaga iyo wafdi uu hogaaminayo ay gaareen madasha shirka galabta halkaasi oo sida aan ka soo xigannay wariye Xasan Maxamed Fanax oo ku sugan madasha shirka si aad ah loogu soo dhaweeyay. Bixitaanka Muuse ayaa yimid saddex maalmood uun ka dib markii taageerayaasiisu ay bannaan bax ka dhigeen magaalada Muqdisho. Muuse Suudi waxaa ku wehliyay safarkiisa siyaasiyiin ay ka mid ahaayeen Inj: Xuseen Caddow iyo odayaal kale oo dhinacooda iyana casuumad ka helay dowladda Kenya, sida Imaan Maxamuud Imaam Cumar oo ah imaamka beesha Hiraab kaasoo aad loo qaddariyo. Dhinaca Dooxada Jubbana waxaa baaqday oo aan maanta shirka u ambabixin gudoomiyaha isbahaysiga dooxada Jubba Kor: Barre Aadan Shire (Barre Hiiraale) oo ay Muuse isku mowqif ka taagnaayeen shirka qodobbadii lagu gaaray isla markaana cusuumaad tan Muuse la mid ah ka helay dawladda Kenya. Waxaan wali la ogayn sababta keentay baaqashada Barre Hiiraale oo lagu waday in uu ka amba boxo magaalada Kismaayo, balse warar ku dhow dhow isbahaysiga dooxada jubba ayaa tibaaxaya in uu barri ama saadambe u amba bixi doono barre shirka oo haatan galaya wajigiisii saddaxaad uguna dambeeyey ee awood qaybsiga C/llaahi Khadar, Goobjoog, Muqdisho

Kenya oo C/qaasim culays ku saartey inuu aqbalo go'aamadii 5tii bishan - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 10:41 Nairobi, (AllPuntland) - Gudoomiyaha shirka dib u heshiisiinta Soomaaliyeed Ambasador Kiblagat iyo wasiirka arimaha dibadda Kenya Kolonyo Musioka ayaa shalay shir jaraa'id oo ay ku qabteen magaalada Nairobi waxa ay ku sheegeen in Cabdiqaasim la gudboon tahay inuu aqbalo go'aamadii 5-tii bishan ay saxiixeen madaxda siyaasadda Soomaalidu. Shirkii Jaraa'id ee ay labadaasi masuul wada jirka u qabteen ayay hogaamiyaha DKG/Kooxda Carta, kaga codsadeen inuu ka qayb qaato shirka dib u heshiisiinta Soomaaliyeed, asagoo tix galinaya tirada badan ee shacabka Soomaaliyeed ee isku raacay inay dawlad samaystaan. Waxay kaloo masuuliyiintaasi shirkooda Jaraa'id ku sheegeen in haddii uusan Cabdiqaasin Salaad Xasan uusan soo raacin halka ay Soomaali u badan tahay loo aqoonsan doono danbiile dagaal. Shirkaan jiraa'id ayaa ka dambeeyey dadaal ay wadeen guddiga farsamada shirka ee IGAD, kaas la doonayay in lagu xaliyo khilaafka u dhexeeya xubnaha sare ee dawladda Cabdiqaasim C/qaasin iyo inta taageersan ayaa ayagu ku doodaya in heshiiskii ay dhawaantan gaareen madaxda isugu tagtay gogosha nabadda uu kala goo goynayo Soomaaliya, waxaa kaloo C/qaasin ku adkaysanayaa in Xasan Abshir iyo C/lle Deeroow oo ah labada xubnood ee ugu sareeya dawladiisa marka asaga laga soo tago aysan matalin maamulkisa. C. C. (Farayaamo, AllPuntland, Soomaaliya

Read this link http://www.somaliatalk.com/nairobi/ibraahim/j180703.html This is a trasnlated transcript from the... The UN security council The EU IGAD ................

Mobb Deep, Your points make less sense than the USC amnufactured map. To give all these points and only get 50% is a disgrace. In this war everybody suffered. So we need to recognise the suffering of the people in Badoa, Kismayu, Galkacyu and the North as well as the inocent unarmed civilians of Mogadishu. No one has divine right to be President no one. No region under this formula can super seed anothers right. This is over. I am also a Puntlander and Garacad is not in the heart but in the Southern tip of Puntland. The map is not accurate geographicaly as it was drawn by non professionals. How ever It is the principle we are talking about not some lines on a map. Priciple of federalism makes sense to us Puntlanders, the south is learning fast. Federalism is not a panacea, its not a cure to all our ills. As I have previously explained there are various reasons why Somaliland will join without any of your consessions. ...............

You could have just given the URL, A racist poem I think, racist to his own race. "Who are more racist white people or black people?, black people because they hate other black people" Chris Rock

Mr Oodweyn, Many thanks for the frankness of your answers and the truth which at last you where able to admit. I am serious that Somaliland will join a fair and federal state when and not if it’s created. My circular argument is that the people of Somaliland actions can be measured by the actions of their so called leaders those who propagate the idea. This is a good measurement as we have very little facts regarding the people, ah alas the referendum. Was it 99%? I remember Sadam Hussien getting 97% and Hafiz Assad getting 100% on the extension of their terms. But hey we are talking about a democracy here right? Let’s go forward, Abdirahman Tuur as you have kindly pointed out was the first president of Somaliland the Washington the founding father, yet he left and went under the shadow of Aydeed. So much for the belief in Somaliland, when the man lost he went to Somaliweyn, this proves the point that it is not ideology but interest that drove him to create Somaliland in the first place. Egal is another paradox, he was a Somaliweyn PM, then became an ardent Somali break up nationalist, if simplified if he stayed PM of Somaliweyn he would have found this Somaliland thing a bit troublesome, as we are assuming him and Tuur are no better than each other, just different faces of the same coin. So there goes two leaders, what about the SNM, was it a Somaliland liberation movement? Was the movement based on independence for the North West was this in its charter, the answer frankly is no. From this basic evidence my little brain can discern that Somaliland is just propagated by those who have interest in it, those who benefit directly from it. So the people I believe if given a fair chance and an alternative will follow what is in their interest. Their interest would not be to be left behind while other Somali’s progress. And I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE ARE AS SOPHISTICATED AS THEIR MOVEMENTS AND LEADERS. Ooodweyn you wrote “Mr Tuur, Mr Ghalib, Prof Samater, Dr Galaydh, do not,..I repeat,..Reed Carefully here please,..do not represent anybody or for that matter they do not represent “ I believe you are just playing with me by uttering such words, the men mentioned above are held in high esteem amongst their respective communities, but you would know better as one was your first president and two are amongst the brightest academics that ever hailed from the North West. Again Ooodweyn you tend to lose yourself in what you write, like a Jeffrey Archer novel each line has punch but no substance. You admit that “that nobody had recognise somaliland so far!!, which is patently true!! for now; also you said it, that somaliland administration do not "Yet" control all of the land that they claim!! to rule in the original somaliland state, which is also a fact on the ground and it's true for now!.” Dear brother unless I am mistaken that makes Somaliland no better than the RRA and other southern factions, both are not recognised by anybody and both don’t control territories they claim for now. This means and its simple that if the Somali republic gets recognised, pressure dear boy will mount exponentially on Kahin and crew they will have to negotiate and I think Kahin the way he handle things is an amateur compared to Tuur and battered Mogadishu was such a lure to the later imagine a clean one to the former? However you insist on persisting. This formula is a save face option for the North West. It gives them what they have craved for autonomy, self rule. However I admit there are diehard fans of separation a Basque separatist movement no less LOL. Faisal Warrabe and his lot, like HIS SOUTHERN COUNTERPART Musa Sudi Yalahow believe in what they say. However the irony is they do not know what they are talking about. Again and I KNOW you will agree Somalia is not like 1960, now power is truly devolved we have no colonial surrogate mother giving us direction. We have a fracture country, centralist’s, separatists, clan dominance, free market economy and federalism is the middle ground. It is the common thread which gives most what they want. Now a bunch of warlords in Nairobi might agree to a plan that makes sense, what then for you. What then, do you actually believe that you will be stronger than you are now? Can you tell us where you will get this might this money this influence that you the secessionist will deliver what you have so far failed miserably to deliver? A prosperous fully controlled recognised country with leaders of great integrity. All I see is a fractured poor monopolised region full of two faced leaders, kind of reminds of a town I once lived in I think it was called XAMAR? .................................. SmithNwestern is the name ........

Gediid, The map is local talk how come? nd "reerka" what has that got to do with the map, I know none of my family invented it, I havent yet asked my Grandmother though LOL i WAS EXPECTING A MORE MEATY response a more precise reply, How ever I would like people to present their arguments for Somaliland not joining the five state reunion And I quote Liibax "present your case in a civilized manner. There is no need to attack other nomads."

"We would all have to form our own countries (no federation) if Xamar isn't allowed to become the MADAXTOOYE. Somaliland can breakaway, followed by the Puntlanders and who ever else wishes to follow it." AGAIN NO EXPLANATION WHY AND HOW? It would be interesting bro.

That would be nice thing, I wouldn mind being part of Somaliland Jamal. LOL

Gediid, The map makes sense its just maybe your colour blind LOL, I POSTED IT and will repost it to my convenience because it is SENSE it clearly marks where everyone is AT, right now. Mr Oodweyn and others, What facts do you want prsented? 1)That Somaliland dosnet control all the teritories it claims. 2) That your Somalialnd is not and has not been recognised by anyone not even Ethiopia or Djabouti. 3) That people such as General Ghalib, Abdirahman Tuur and others are out right supporters of the Union. Others such as Professors Galayr, and Samatar hate to even speak of breaking up Somalia. ...................... So with all of this when Somalia has been divided and has no recognised government, imagine how it will be with a recognised state? So I wait your replies, with facts now you hear, no fairytales regarding the late Egal and others.