'Liibaan';782410 wrote: Somalidiid-land clan-secessninists are hypocrites, presently Clan secessionists are calling for the elimination of SSC/Khaatumo people, they blindly support the killing of innocent people in Buuhoodle, and Laascaanood by Warlord Siilaanyo and his snm clan-militia. And they accusing Somali Government of war crimes (1980s), while at the same they support the unwarranted attacks on SSC/Khaatumo people, and the killing in SSC/Khaatumo civilians in Buhoodle and Laascaanood. The hypocrisy, the anger, the bitterness, and the hatred of snm clan secessionists toward Khaatumo/SSC people will not help. Very simple to understand, if snm/Somaliland doesn't want to be part of Somalia, SSC/ Khaatumo People don't want to be part of so-called Somaliland Clan Entity. If Somalia is divisible, likewise the territories of former British Somali colony is divisible as well. No one can force SSC/Khaatumo people, SSC/Khaatumo people will defend themselves and their ancestral land. Liibaan call it 100 times clan won't change the fact that there 1000s of you're clan in the Somaliland national army , yesterday you were proudly claiming 200 of the sl soldiers defected to Khaatumo. Now tell me how's you're clan not part of the national army and yet you want to portray it as a one clan army .You are contradicting your self Mr Liibaan,,Liibaan you're arguments are baseless. Somalia's govt in the 80s and 70s was a harsh dictatorship people were not allowed to criticize the government Muslim clerics were slaughtered in broad day light.You cannot compare it with today's Somaliland government a government elected by the Majority of the Somalilanders one man one vote.Liibaan you are a clan nationalist why are you always talking about clan division when you are in reality suggesting a strategy to divide Somalia its self into weak federal states.Running from a viable effective working government and trying to replace it with a clan state in order to achieve a non existing unity highly delusional i have to say.

speedy recovery inshallah

The unity of Somalia in Minneapolis these people are hilarious Xiinfanin the Garowe clan enclave needs CLAN unity and you are talking about a party. Where booty shakers will wrap themselves with the Somalia flag and that will miraculously unite Somalia in the twin cities really:D

If badly written articles could defeat Somaliland , the National army wouldn't chase you around and we would experience less emotional outbursts here on sol:D

What attending a conference loooooooool:D

NGONGE;782383 wrote: Breaking News ..Hargeisa just decided to break away from SL! :D:D

No is suggesting uniting with Somalia not a single person in Somaliland mentions that not even the one in the TFG the likes of Ina Omaar. But its just some Somalilanders think they can use this particular conference to spread their message and use it in their advantage and that's all. And than there are others who are against it and see it like nothing new. I mean there are 4 entities coming out of Somalia its obvious that Somalia has failed its people. and not Somaliland.Peace and action you don't need Somaliland ,Somalia needs you and only you can help Somalia Somaliland cannot help Somalia in the long term and they know that two good luck my friend.

Carafaat stop focusing on Mintid farayars personal profile but come with real sensible arguments to back up you're claims.

Maxay ahayeen dadka mad madoow eeh makhsinka lugu so xiidhay eeh boodhadhku hor yaalaan

defeat the entire people of Awdal that's a good joke:D

Oodweyne;782338 wrote: ^^^Now come on Bro, Quit with the suspence, and give us, the heads up in here (or at least give me in private through our usual chanel) Oodweyne Jb was told to be quiet or else he will end up in jail Like qoladi hctv:D adna waad qod qodaysa manad ogayn sol Xirsi ba akhriya.

No one is talking about kids or the small skimirish in Buuhoodle read again this is about enemies wax fahan:D

“Haddii aannu iska hornimaadno cadaw-gayaga uma naxariisanno kamana baqanno..” January 30th, 2012 Hargeysa (Somaliland.Org) Wasiirka Wasaaradda Kalluumaysiga iyo khayraadka badda ee Somaliland Md. Cabdilaahi Jaamac Cismaan (Geel-jire), ayaa sheegay in Genaral Maxamed Siciid Xirsi (Moorgan) oo hoggaaminayey dagaalladii 1988-kii Somaliland ay ka fulisay dawladdii Maxamed Siyaas Barre, ugu hanjabtay inaanay Somaliland daandaansiga aqoon, hase ahaatee, ay taqaanno sida cawgeeda la isaga celiyo. Wasiirka Kalluumaysigu wuxuu sidaasi ka sheegay mar uu la hadlayay Saxaafada waxaanu yidhi “Moorgan oo 1988-kii xasuuqa uu ka sameeyay Goballadan (Somaliland) la ogaa ayaa maantana Tiifiiyada soo fadhiisanaya isaga oo Saraakiil isku wareejiyay u soo goohaaya colaad ay Puntland dabada ka waddo, waxaannu leenahay Walaallayaal waxaasi wax idinka idin-anfaca maaha, annagana wax na-anfacaaya maaha. Dadka colaadda u soo goohaya waxaannu uga digaynaa annagu cid maddoonanno oo ma jeclin inaannu cadaw yeelanno, haddannu yeelanno oo Illaahay-ba ka dhigo oo aannu iska hornimaadno cadaw-gayaga uma naxariisanno kamana baqanno, waddankayagana waannu difaacnaa ee waxaannu leenahay wallaalayaal nabadda ayaa innoo wada dana.” Wasiir Geel-jire oo hadalkiisa sii wataa waxa uu yidhi; “Puntland in badan ayaanu wallaal tinimada ugu baqaynay iyo in la illaaliyo wanaaga laakiin waxa muuqata in mar walba ay wanaaga iyo wallaal nimada ay ka jeclaysanayaan colaad.waxa layaaba in dadkayaga sijoogta ah ay ugu kicinayaan qabyaalad oo ay doonayaan inay wanaagayaga baabi’iyaan oo ummada kiciyaan iyo inay sheegtaan dad Somaliland oo waad ogaydeen in mar-wlaba ay sheeganayaan Gobalo sida ay ka sheeganayaa dalka Soomaaliya oo ay yidhaahdaan dad aanu isir wadaagno ayaa dagan oo waxa ay dagaalo ku hayeen waad ogaydeen, waa dal jira oo ay xuduudihiisu ay cadyihiin oo dadkii lahaa ay badheedh ugu heshiyeen Wakhti aan dhawayn oo ay dawlad ka samaystaan.” “Haddana waxay xorriyaddoodii ay la soo noqdeen 31 sano ka dib oo waa dal Calan leh oo Ummadi ay ku heshiisay Nabad iyo wallaalnimo. Waxaannu layaabbannahay waxay dalkayaga ay ku nacebyihiin inuu burburo oo uu colaadgalo iyo in dad kayagu ay baaba’aan waxanu leenahay oo aanu ugu baaqaynaa wallaalayaal ka noqda mar marsiiyaha colaadeed ee aad abaabulaysan oo waanu ognahay inaad colaad abaabulaysan ku salaysan qabyaalad.” Sidaa ayuu yidhi Wasiirka Kalluumaysigu Md. Cabdillaahi-Geel-jire.

Gabiley Borama twin cities they need to work together.

Carafaat there are still foreign troops inside Somalias territory if you think this will just end after august you are wrong. Alshabaab is still not defeated in many parts of Somalia Clan fiefdoms proposals are in full gear and i predict further division is on the horizon There is jubaland jubaras state Azania all waiting to fill the vacuum once Alshabaab is removed from the Juba regions Somalilands role is still not clear and certainly they are not ready to have talks with Somalia any time soon. One good thing though i agree the maakhirians and the garaad clan have officially left the garowe clan enclave for what it is,and that is something we should welcome. The brits want to stop British Somalis leaving the UK and turning into terrorists not so sure how that will help Somaliland? Other than some non bilateral aid for Somaliland they care more about fighting the pirates in the horn of Africa. But perhaps i am wrong and they want to return back to berbera like the old days and fight the Iranians from Africa's seashores Crazy talks Carafaat:D

No the Somalilandish people or the Ethnic Somalilanders do not live in Somalia them holding political positions is meaningless through the channels of the 4.5 clan system.

This conference will not benefit Somaliland did carafaat even read the agenda of the conference Amisom mandate Somalia's future after the transition period the road map piracy non of that concerns Somaliland. The Brits are not clear about Somalilands role in this particular conference,so i think we should just pass.

Carafaat Ethnic Somalilanders don't have tribal lands in Somalia but they do in Djibouti Kenya the Somali region of Ethiopia.

Carafaat you always contradict yourself i mean what is difference between now and a year ago we are still where we were a year ago, Somaliland will not change its stand on Somalia and Somalia did not change its stand on Somaliland.TFG TNG salbalaadh koox manifesto its all the same.

Baga yaaa yidhi ciidankina so galiya Somalia ha gurtan meydadkooda

The zack i am against war but that does not mean if Ciidanka qaranka is attacked they should not be allowed to shoot back i call for an immediate ceasefire though on both sides.

Carafaat;782288 wrote: Aren't garaad and Maakhirians ethnic landers? I have been there Xaaji, there are many of them there. Yes they are but the pirates are not there aren't many of them there only ha handful of them there are even people from burco and ceerigaabo in Bosaaso. But Carafaat Djibouti is different 5 of the cabinet members of Djibouti are ethnic Somalilanders.

Carafaat;782277 wrote: The might have not much to offer. But there is more space then ever before to influence things in Somalia. But you with your little/narrow horizon rather sit, wait and blame others. rather then taking matters in own hands. that is the diffrence between me and you, Minti. If we talk about the situation is right now there is nothing to talk about Somalia is not a sovereign country should we talk to general Bahuku or should we talk to the Kenyan generals. Or perhaps we should talk to Amir Godane or Mr Caalin of galmudug or the Pirate of Somalia Mr Faroole. This carafaat will not work the bases of talks with Somalia will be on Mutual respect acknowledgment of co existing as two separate states.If that's not the case Somaliland will take 3 steps back ,and relations of the two countries will be always as the status quo.

NGONGE;782274 wrote: Now or in August? p.s. Guru, you seem to have been swept away in the moment (just like Eng. Faisal). Nothing is as drastic as it seems, saaxib. Take a step back and view the situation from a distance, guru. Wa isla iyaadii, saaxib. Talk about what exactly carafaat keeps talking about talking he sounds like oprah Winfrey or Dr phil. habar cajalad liqday baad mooda