Peace is needed it comes from both sides

Wayahay taasi wa gar

Mario B;788046 wrote: Anglo iItalian borders were dissolved my friend, Somalia starts from Ras Kamboni to Saylac, those are the borders the that world recognises including every other entity in Somalia. British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland are not coming back, they became SOMALIA. Stop this delusion. And you know my friend the former Somali republic was dissolved in 1991 and there is no one that can change that haday kun ku kufrinayan iyo haday kun ku muslimayan. Somali leaders prior 1988 never recognized the Italian Abyssinian border they never recognized the Anglo Italian border the Somali republic had with Kenya they only accepted the Anglo french border the former Somali republic had with Djibouti. And General Muhammad Siyad bare was forced to recognize the Italian Abyssinian border in 1988. Mario its not what the world recognizes its what Somalis recognize that's where it all starts .

Taleexi;788043 wrote: Xaaji, Talo eexeed baad haysaa. Ee xalkaad haysaa xaal ha qaato . Ta kale qof walba maro rinji waa ku daadsan karaa oo calan ugu yeedhi karaa, dhowr qodob intuu qorona dastuur ugu yeedhi karaa, qariirad photoshop ku sawirona map ugu yeedhi karaa ee baa wal ninka laga badiyo. Koleyba midkeen baa waalane, tolow yaa ina kala saaraya? Kumaan odhan qof walaan ku dayo waxan ku idhi aynu wax wada qabsano Muhimadu wa taas dalkeeni wax so saar wa leeyahay dad ku filan wa leeyahay kheyraad wa leeyahay shacab wanaagsan wa leeyahay.Laakin Taleexi wuxu na leeyahay intan khatumeysanahay dadka walaan baan ku dayanaya taasina dee caqli maha aniga ku miir qaba:D

Mario B;788040 wrote: But the 'Somaliland' borders are just a fig of your imagination. You know that well. The political leaders in Somalia (Puntland galmudug ahlsunna waljamaca and the TFG) accept and recognize the Anglo Italian border Somalia has with Kenya, you should listen to Cabdi cawar when he talks about this issue. They fully Accept the Italian Abyssinian border Somalia has with Ethiopia. So rejecting the Anglo Italian border Somaliland has with Somalia what should we call that?

Mario B;788035 wrote: Yeah, Somali unity...from Ras Kamboni to Saylac!! Why not this

Taleexi;788034 wrote: Abti, afmiishaarnimadii waa dhamaatay. Taas uun baynu isla garanaynaa. Haddaa ma Somaliland baa ummadda xal u ah? Haaa Somaliland wa u xal sabab Somaliland nabad iyo hormar bay dalka gaadhsiiseey its not perfect laakin wa gurigeeni si aynu u hormarin lahayn wa inaynu ka shaqeyno taleexi. adeer adigu hadaad Nugaal godan isku xiidhid midna isku so xidho hargeysa ama borama ama badhan midna burco iyo caynabo isku so xidho maxaad so kordhisay. Imisa Somali ba ku nool oo ka yimi Somalia oo maal iyo lacag gashaday Somaliland. Laakin taleexi wuxu leeyahay anigu meeshi taleex la odhan jiray baan iska fadhiyaya inadeeerkay oo garowe joogana ma aqaan inadeerkayga kale eeh badhan jooga ma aqaan, abtigay oo caynabo iyo oog joogana ma aqaan. Halkeed u socota markaas war taleexiyow aniga ii dhegeyso aniga war ino haya aniga haya xalki ugu wanaagsana.

Taleexi xal maad keenin waxad leedahay tuuladayda an ku xidhnaado dabeedna reer taleex iyo reer xudun ba odhanaya anigana meeshayda hala ii daayo garowe iyo laascanood soo may kala danaysan iyago tol ah xudun iyo taleex na wa kala tagayaan ileen qabyalaadu ma joogsato , taleexi xal ma haysid waxad leedahay tuuladayda aan iska dhex fadhiyo. Taleexiyow wax walba reer ha ku salayn reer awdal iyo reer gabiley wa isku umad reer ceerigaabo iyo reer badhan wa isku umad, reer caynabo iyo reer laascaanood wa isku umad dadka halkeed u kala wada

^^ Taleexi haday qaldanyihin oo aad adigu saxantihid , maxaad wax ula iman weyday ileen rago wa xal keen

Taleexi;788008 wrote: Taariikhdii waqooyiga ma waxaad ku soo koobtay ilaa qarni iyo bar ka hor ... Waa amankaag. Warkaan hayo ilbaxnimada dadka Soomaaliyeed intaa ka fac weyn. Diib u akhri 5 qarni baan sheegey ha deg degin awoow.

Dr_Osman;787992 wrote: Xaji stop playing around, you know full well who is!!! A civilization that traded as far as tanzania and india. A civilization that was teaching its local literacy, a civilization with castles and fortresses still seen today none of which are seen in awdal, a civilization that was doing tax collection, a civilization that had an effective defence force with guns. A civilization that kick-started the indepedence of Somalia by creating the SYL yasin cisman keenadiid who was always the chairman of the party and decided who would be party leader and who wouldn't be!!! Then again xaaji, why am I telling you this, Do you have a civilization that you can bring to the table or were you guys uncivilized and you dont want to go there!!!! Don't worry about awdal and the eastern sultanate that is two grand civilizations who can argue about something on who is more civilized but your not even on the radar of civilizations. I have many authors from british and italian sources that can testify to the civilized people of the east and being the only somali government in existance at the time!!! Dr osman the entire Somali civilization is concentrated on Somaliland it dates back 5 centuries ago Walashma Dynasty also the first place a white Colonialist lieutenant was Murdered was in berbera in the the mid 1850s several sultanates were ruling Somaliland at that time. The first place that gained independence of all Somaliweyn was Somaliland. First Islamic Party was Xisbullah in the late 1940s was founded by a Somalilander later it merged with the largest Somaliland party the SNL. And you Dr osman you come with Caluula baan shaah ku karsan jiray intan dhar xariir ah so xiidho. halkay rag wada farda fuul ahayeen oo saldanad wada gabyeysa halkee lugu arkay Dr osman say after me Cuqaal talisa Boqor caaddila iyo culimo miisaan leh Ilaahi Carshiga Nuuriyoow kaaga caban mayno Caddaankaanu wada loollanaa madaw cisaynmayno.

^^ According to Dr osman they are not the most civilized

Dr osman who's is the most civilized in Somalia?

Well said somalina its the pl governor for mudug obviously there is also a galmudug governor for mudug and a west puntland state governor in mudug

Korneelku wu hadlay

Funny. Topic

Even shirka london while Somaliland is not even on the agenda every one is talking about Somaliland:D

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;787779 wrote: Ninkaan calaacalkiisa ma dhamaado miyaa. Goosashadoon folks badan ayaa dhidid ka socdo because of this upcoming conference, seeing their very unfounded riyo becoming nightmare iyagoo soo jeedo. looool Shirka London Qadiyada Somaliland agendada kumaba jirto adeer diib u akhri. Wax la isku na nabaya iska yar

It is also worth mentioning here that while “Awdal State” remains a peaceful and Diaspora youth-driven facbeook initiative with little reality on the ground despite hitching on domestic and negotiable grievances, :D:D

allah ha u naxariisto

Never expected less than that well said president Ahmed SIilanyo

Siilaanyo is the man of the match

It is a topic more likely to be whispered about than discussed openly, but could Ethiopian strongman Meles Zenawi, now closing in on his 17th year as Prime Minister (after four earlier as President), be thinking of calling it a day? It is for many familiar with Ethiopian politics an almost unimaginable prospect, while skeptics will point out that Meles has repeatedly promised to step down. But early this month, senior officials of the ruling EPRDF party (Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front) hinted at a succession plan to replace its 56-year-old leader at the end of his current term in 2015. While no one in the party that he has tightly-controlled since 1985 has so far ventured to make any public comments on the sensitive topic, a senior government official and member of the ruling party told this reporter on condition of anonymity that Meles will "surely" hand over power by 2015. The ranking official said they were not sure as to who could replace the strongman, but there has been widespread party speculation about two hopefuls: Deputy Prime Minister, also Foreign Affairs minister, Hailemariam Desalegn, and Health minister Tewodros Adhanom. Hailemariam, a humble family man and former university lecturer, looks to be more well-placed given his proximity to the Premier, and also because he has not had direct contact with military and intelligence circles as he was not part of the armed struggle against the Mengistu Haile Mariam regime. Trusted ally Picking his deputy would mean Meles would have considerable influence if he were to relinquish power in 2015. A protestant, Hailemariam joined politics in the late 1990s and became the regional governor of southern Ethiopia in 2000 on an EPRDF ticket. He has been a trusted Meles ally, and was in 2010 elevated to deputy Premier and Foreign Affairs minister. Hailemariam is also the deputy chairman of the EDRDF and has recently been chairing Cabinet meetings, in addition to supervising all ministries. The minority tribes he represents have never been in power in modern Ethiopia, an attractive position to Meles should he seek to move the power base from the traditional north and centre (Tigray and Amhara communities) to the southern minorities. He also regularly represents Ethiopia in crucial regional and international meetings, including recent Igad and African Union summits, lending credence to observers' assertions that he could be the prime minister-designate. However, his actual sphere of influence has been questioned, given he does not have a big constituency in his backyard or in the ruling party. His southern region is home to more than 45 ethnic groups and is highly divided to favour the traditional powerful Amharas and Tigrians political elites. The fact that he was not in the guerrilla armed struggle may also count against him, especially in the inner security circle run by Tigrians who are close to Meles. His perceived rival, Tewodros, is a populist hailing from Meles' Tigray community, which represents less than five per cent of the Ethiopian population. He was, along with Meles, a young combatant during the armed struggle, although he is not especially recognised for this. Dominance A medical doctor, Tewodros has studied in Asmara and the United Kingdom, and is a father of five. But political analysts say he has been more of a model civil servant than an outright political leader. A down-to-earth EPRDF official (a rarity in the party), he is popular with the public and is also a darling with donors. He has been the architect of a thriving health sector, though heavily foreign-funded. However Tewodros popularity does not appear to have gone down well with the power brokers around Meles, while the fact that he is also from the Tigray community may count against him, given other ethnic groups would most likely oppose its political dominance. A potential outcome is Meles could also choose to stay on as the elevation of two men who lack power bases would be opposed by ruling party officials. But with all the hushed talk of succession, there are also those who fear that Meles so bestrides every facet of Ethiopia that his retirement would leave the country of 85 million at risk of further conflict. The Prime Minister is to be found in every aspect of Ethiopian life, and often portrays himself to the citizenry as indispensible. Meles and the EPRDF have systematically dismantled any opposition, including critical media, a process hastened by the violence that accompanied the 2005 election and which led to the deaths of 200 people. Meles won the 2010 election with a staggering 99.6 per cent of the vote, but has gone on to clamp down on democratic institutions, including through a raft of restrictive laws. Submission A new NGO Bill that prevents charity groups from receiving foreign funding saw the number of these groups reduce from 2,980 to 1,500. Watchdog the Committee to Protect Journalists says that in 2011, 25 per cent of all exiled African journalists were from the country, while dozens of others are incarcerated. The opposition has been pummelled into submission, with a recent controversial anti-terrorism law proving especially handy. Meles offers himself as a reformist and great Ethiopian leader, leading to one man show style of ruling reminiscent of China's Mao Zedong, Russia's Lenin or North Korea's late Kim Jong Il. He often explains every single policy and frequently directs national dialogue in any field. Key institutions such as the judiciary, parliament and party organs are effectively under his control, while the financial and banking industries are not exempt either, giving a deep sense of unpredictability to investors. Often credited with transforming the economy, critics say that this has been at the expense of the poor. Ethiopia has borrowed up to its neck for infrastructure development, including from China and India, with Addis Ababa claiming unverified growth of 10 per cent annual expansion (The IMF places it at eight). The massive infrastructure projects are sold to the Ethiopian people as his gifts to them. Delicate But Meles has also overseen inflation levels of up to 35 per cent over the last two years, affecting mainly the Horn of Africa country's poor. His intelligence network stocked by his tribesmen and cronies has tentacles in every sector. He has struck a delicate, if admirable, balance on the international front, positioning himself as a key Western ally in the international war against terrorism, while ruthlessly neutering any opposition domestically, and also from arch-rival Eritrea. The military is divided along ethnic lines and party allegiance, faults which his close control has so far been able to paper over. His exit would, in all likelihood, change this. Given this level of political and economic control, some fear that his complete exit would cause more turbulence and that Ethiopia would not be ready for such a shock. The jury remains out on this. But what is clear is that whoever succeeds him would most likely be under his control, and that the ruling party will be in power for a long time. In fact, the EPRDF has targeted at least a four-decade stint, and in a party document, says that one party's long stay in power enables the government to be stable and focus on delivering development and alleviating poverty.

Taleexi horta ciidamada nabad diidka maxaad uga dhigtaan dad aan iyago waxba dilin iyagu rasaastoodu ma buskut baa?