nuune;821128 wrote: ^^ That fortress of Mombasa, ha iga barin ninkan, meeshan dhawaan baan booqanayaa hadana, waa la iga yeedhay, cadcadkii baa wali cuudkii ay daareen wali aan bakhtin kolka waa inaan durba ku noqdaa, Xiin, adigu goormaad iman, aan kuu sii gogol-xaaree , aad raajicisid qolyaheena cadcadka ah ee feynuustii ifeysey la moodo, raali wey ka yihiin guur gaabanoo goos goos ah hadhowna geeska la is daro muda yar sida todobaad, War ninka ha u gogol xaarin u gogal xaadh hadaad meesha ku xaartid maxabad casumi.

Somalia: the Limits of Theoretical State By Nuradin Jilani April 19 , 2012 For a start, there is no denying that Somalia as a nation state exists. Yes it does. It’s on the world map; it’s also represented in the United Nations and numerous international bodies. It has a flag, a president, parliament, national army and police--although these nascent institutions are concentrated mainly in some parts of the capital city Mogadishu. However, outside Mogadishu there is another reality. From much of South-central Somalia all the way to Puntland, there exists no geographic contiguity and a system of governance that directly takes its cue from the government in the capital city. Yet the administrations of Ahlusunah waljameeca, Hiiraan, Xima & Xeeb, Azania and Puntland all claim, theoretically, allegiance to the TFG. The TFG itself is a collection of unelected strange bedfellow – secularists, Sufis, Salafis, centralists, regionalists, federalists – brought together under the 4.5 power-sharing formula. This ‘theater of the absurd’ is imposed on the Somali people for fear of Somalia becoming un-governed space and falling into the hands of international terrorist networks. On the borders, the armies of neighboring Kenya and Ethiopia are currently deep in Somali territory claiming to assist the Somali government fight Alshaab. They do not, however, coordinate their activities with the TFG forces nor take orders from it. That is Somalia, a country that is free fall all, whose land, sea and air is everyone’s business. The TFG officially represents this absurd country. In what can be described as a case of misplaced priorities the TFG is undertaking momentous tasks in its Roadmap initiative. Among other things, they’re drafting a new constitution and readying the nation for elections. It seems these phantasmagorical projects are more important than improving the deteriorating security situation in the capital city and winning the war against Alshabaab. Or perhaps this war is never meant to be won at all. This goose that lays the golden eggs is better chased around than killed! In another bizarre twist of events, the TFG is sending a delegation to London to hold talks with the representatives of the secessionist enclave of ‘Somaliland’. The agenda of the talks is everyone’s guess. However, I will not be surprised if they agree to the secession of ‘Somaliland’. With the secessionist sympathizer Augustine Mahiga calling the shots, and the venue being London of all places, the expectation does not auger well. This view is informed by the haste with which the secessionists are rushing the process (they’ve announced their technical team ahead of the TFG) and the celebratory mood in Hargeisa relating to this issue. I shall not prejudge though. Perhaps the secessionists have exhausted everything and are looking for Sadbursi and a larger piece of the political pie of Somalia as they want to compete Puntland in the affairs of Southern Somalia. Even if so, the current theoretical TFG, is ill disposed to undertake such a momentous task on behalf of the country. Granted, the TFG didn’t initiate this process; they were forced to do it, but they should have at least tried to convince the international community that the more pressing issues of security and stabilization of the country demanded their attention in the immediate term. The Idea of a Nation and the Somali Condition In a very thoughtful article entitled ‘The Role of Literature in Modern Africa’ (NewAfrican, Nov. 2010) which was written to commemorate the 50 anniversary since the dawn independence for many African nations, the famous Nigerian writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie stated that one of the reasons why most African countries are failing is the fact “that citizens have not yet absorbed the idea of a nation. “A nation is not about the geography of land but the geography of the mind. It is an idea, or a collection of ideas.” Adichie’s says “what has made other modern states succeed is a faith in its own idea of what it is and its place in the world”, which is largely missing in Africa, as we place emphasis on the ‘rituals’ of “the flags and borders and anthems that keep a people ostensibly united.” I’m sure Adichie has no issue with flags and borders, as other successful modern nations have them also, but the lack of self-confidence in ourselves and the loss of collective sense of who we are as a people and how this creates dependency on others is what concerns her most. Thus, she writes: “We are a people conditioned by our history and by our place in the modern world to look towards "somewhere else" for validation, to see ourselves as inhabitants of the periphery”. Adichie may have analyzed the current African condition from an imaginative literary point of view but this is also true in the arena of economics and politics. After more than fifty years of independence, Africans still communicate with each other in European languages. African countries do business more with outsiders than between themselves. It’s also easier and cheaper in many African countries to travel to one African country to another via Europe. The cash crop for export, at the expense of domestic production, is still the favorite foreign currency earner. Not to mention the brain drain. I can continue but there is no need to rehash the obvious. The so-called African Union (AU) has done little tangible work to fully integrate African states – politically, economically, and socially - since its founding. Somalis were the opposite of this. At the dawn of Independence, the largely homogenous Somalis had a solid idea of their collective sense as a people. The geography of the Somali mind was not confined to the two parts that formed the union of Somalia in July 1960. This idea was printed on the flag, legislated in the constitution, and sang in the national song. At the time, Somalis were a people cocksure of themselves and their place in the world. The Somali child first imbibed the sights and sounds of his native soil before she/he came to into contact with other cultures. Somalis had also embraced and supported the struggles of Africans who were fighting for freedom, such as Mozambique, Angola, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and South Africa. Sadly that idea is today dead and gone. How it died and who killed it is not the scope or reach of this short article; rather it’s to show that Somalia as geographically contiguous nation state is not, currently, in existence. Nor is the idea which formed the original Somalia plausible today. Somalis are growing apart both mentality and physically. That is a reality that we cannot ignore any longer. We have lost the sense of who we are – collectively – as a people. We have become a people who look to others for validation and even rule. Adichie’s African condition is perhaps more Somali than African. Getting priorities right The TFG is the only institution that represents this strange country that exists only in name. As such, they should thread carefully and not gamble with the future of this already fragile state by opening Bandora Boxes of secessionism which will certainly trigger cascading effects. The momentum created by the administration of former Prime Minister Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed must not be squandered. Already Alshabaab are bouncing back with the recent deadly suicide attack in Mogadishu. This is because of the chronic over-dependency on foreign forces on the security of the country. It’s a national shame that Somali armed forces cannot hold their ground against Alshaab, let alone displace them without the assistance of AMISON troops. This dependency is ‘created fact’ which can be overcome if the TFG politicians in charge of the army put their priorities right. It’s only by empowering the Somali Armed Forces can the tide be turned against Alshabaab. Ultimately it’s the Somalis that must fight their fight. This open-ended foreign military presence is untenable and detrimental to the future of country. Just the other day AMISON troops were apologizing for running over innocent civilians. Apologies? Why not compensation or even criminal persecution? It‘s high time for the TFG to negotiate with AMISON an agreement similar to Iraqi- American Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) that should set a timetable for their stay in the country and regulate their activities in Somalia. If we’re not deluding ourselves, the only way proper elections can be held and constitutional referendum be conducted, is by having boots on the ground in the provinces. Secessionism can also be discouraged by negotiating from a position of strength and by offering better alternatives – that is, if you first put your house in order. But instead of doing the obvious – which the majority of Somalis agree to - and putting their priorities right, the current TFG leaders, I’m sorry to say, are ‘Mending Rips in the Sky’, to borrow the title from Dr. Hussein Adam Tanzani’s essay.

Abtigis muxu Prof Togane ula yaaba isba Wa Professor mar mar Siyasada ka dhex baadha Luga dhexdooda wuxu ka helu leeyahay:D.

Shinbir he wanted the Azania and Jubaland nadaaro talks Xogwaran Qabiil fadhi ku dirir tuulo hebel anaga leh tuulo hebel anaga leh mamuul lama dhisi karo:D

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Taleexi meel walba reer bu ka dhex arka:D

This is not about Britain the reason why it will be held in a western country its because we want it to be on a neutral ground a European country its not a conference Somaliland is hosting we want both sides to agree on this.

^^ You forgot Azania and Jubaland.

Xiinfaniin with or with out recognition as long as Somalilanders rule their country they have a future President SIilaanyo Breakaway Somalis call for world recognition Residents of Somalia's breakaway Somaliland state thronged the streets of the capital Wednesday to celebrate 20 years since splitting from the rest of Somalia and to demand world recognition. Thousands watched a parade staged to commemorate the occasion during which colourful groups from civil society marched, walked, or danced along Independence Avenue, followed by a full military parade. "I've been here since four in the morning and there were many people here before me," said Mohammed Omer, a university student. "I'm here because my country is not recognised but I am still proud of our achievements." Somaliland's president Ahmed Mohamed Silaanyo watched the procession from under a huge banner which read: "The international community is obligated to accept the will of the people." He said Somaliland, a former British protectorate in the north of Somalia, would not stop seeking world recognition. "I say to the people of Somaliland that our efforts (to achieve recognition) will not end. Even if Somaliland stands alone for 100 years, and we have not achieved recognition, then we will continue to strive for that goal, god willing." Whereas Somalia proper has been mired in violence since the 1991 ouster of president Siad Barre, Somaliland has enjoyed relative stability. Interior minister Mohamed Abdi Gabose told AFP he was happy for Somaliland and its citizens. "The citizens believe they have done enough. Now we are looking to the international community. "With patience and with energy, Somaliland is going in the right direction. Somaliland is an island in the middle of a chaotic and unstable region, and we just want to live peacefully with our neighbours." The independence day celebrations were attended by an official delegation from neighbouring Djibouti, the only official foreign representation in attendance. The head of the Djibouti team, Ougoureh Kifle Ahmed, said formal recognition of Somaliland was a possibility, especially in light of the impending division of Sudan into two distinct countries. "The door is open to all possibilities for the modification of former boundaries," he told AFP.

Somalia why didn't they talk the past 21 years this has nothing to do with English Italians or Europeans the fact is they wont agree it's because one part of the former dissolved Somali republic declared independence the other part disagrees.You can hold it in London Germany France united states where ever you like it doesn't matter we are still talking about the same topic we need a mediating factor.

Somaliland and Somalia won't agree hellow Somalia its self doesn't agree how to rule their nation remember Kampala accord Djibouti Accord. If there are talks in the near future between Somaliland and Somalia its wise that the international community mediates or else it wont work.

Talks are between the Somaliland govt and the Somalia's TFG govt as the Minister of Galmudug said if Puntland is allowed well than we should be included two its that simple. If PL is part of the TFG than they will be represented by the TFG its really that simple.

Galmudug oo cadaalad darro ku tilmaamtay guddi uu magacaabay Madaxweyne Shariif SHABELLE MEDIA NETWORK APRIL 20, 2012 COMMENTS OFF Gaalkacyo: (Sh. M. Network) Maamulka Galmudug ayaa cadaalad darro ku tilmaamay guddi Wasiiro ah oo uu Madaxweyne Shariif u magaccaabay wada hadalka Somaliland, maadaama qodobadii kasoo baxay shirkii London ay ka mid ahaayeen inay wada hadlaan dowladda KMG Soomaaliya iyo Maamulka Somaliland. Wasiirka ganacsiga ee Maamulka Galmudug Dr. C/laahi Jaamac oo warysi siiyay Idaacadda Shabelle ayaa waxa uu ka hadlay wada hadalka Somaliland iyo dowladda Federalka iyo walba guddiga Wasiirada ah oo Madaxweyne Shariif uu u magacaabay wadahadalka Somaliland. Dr.C/laahi Jaamac ayaa waxa uu sheegay in guddigaasi uu yahay cadaalad darro, maadaama uu xusay inay ku jiraan Wasiiro ka socda Maamulka Puntland islamarkaana aysan ku jirin Wasiirada Maamulka Galmudug, wuxuuna xusay in Madaxweyne Shariif looga baahan yahay in Wasiiradaasi ay ku koobnaadaan oo kaliya Xukuumadda KMG haddii kalena laga qeyb galiyo Maamulada ka jira dalka oo uu xusay inay yihiin kuwa isku awood ah oo an waxba kala dheereen. Wasiirka ayaa waxa uu sheegay in Madaxweynaha looga baahan yahay in uu ka shaqeeyo Cadaaladda, maadaama uu tibaaxay in Maamul goboleedyo sharci ah oo dalka ka shaqeeya ay jiraan islamarkaana xaq darro ay tahay in hal Maamul oo kaliya laga qeyb galiyo wada hadalka Somaliland iyo dowladda KMG ah. Hadalkaani ayaa waxa uu imanayaa xilli Maamulka Somaliland uu shalay qaaddacay wada hadalkii uu kula jiray dowladda KMG ah kaddib markii Madaxweyne Shariif lagu eedeeyay in guddiga Wasiirada ah ee ka socda dowladda KMG ah ee wada hadalka lagalaya Somaliland uu ku daray sida la sheegay Wasiiro ka socda Maamulka Puntland.

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Beergaal anigu Qabyalada iyo Qabiilka dunida ayaan ugu necebahay ilahay ba waxa iga fogeyey amiin.

Madaxweyne sheikh shariif oo ka hor yimid dastuurka cusub ee Puntland sheegayna soomaaliya in ay hal dastuur leedahay Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyada Soomaaliya Shariif Sheikh Axmed ayaa kasoo horjeestay Dastuurka Cusub ee maamulka Puntland, madaxweynaha ayaa ka dhawaajiyay in Dastuurka Puntland uu yahay mid qilaafaya dastuurka Dowladda KMG soomaaliya taasina uu ku tilmaamay in ay caqabad ku noqoneyso isla saan-qaadka bulshada iyo maamulada soomaaliweyn Madaxweynaha ayaa Dastuurkaasi ku tilmaamay in uu yahay mid cadeyneysa Gooni isku taag maamulka Puntlan arrintaasina ay fadeexo ku noqon karto dowladda KMG soomaaliya oo uu ku sheegay in haatani ay talada dalka gacanta ku heyso, madaxweynaha ayaa ku baaqay in waxbadan laga badalo Dastuurka Puntland islamar ahaantana dib loo ansaxiyo Hadalka madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyadda ayaa imaanaya xili Dowladda KMG ay ku mashquulsantahay xal u helida mideynta Siyaasiyiinta iyo Bulshada Somaliland oo iyagu lagu wado in ay qeyb ka noqdaan dowladda KMG oo talada dalka haysa, ma jirto hadal rasmi ah oo kasoo baxay maamulka Puntland kaasoo ku aadan hadalka uu ka dhawaajiyay madaxweynaha walow wararka halkaasi naga soo gaaraya ay sheegayan in mudanayaal ka socda maamulka Puntland ay madaxweynaha iyo golaha wasiirada ay kulan kula qaadan doonaan magaalada muqdisho iyaga oo la filaayo in dastuurkaasi ay hor dhigi doonaan islamar ahaanta u jeedada dastuurka ay uga warbixin doonaan Ugu danbeyntii madaxweynaha oo horay ugu qanacsanaa Dastuurka Puntland ayaa waxa iminka soo baxaaya hadalo ku aadan dastuurkaasi waxaana la sheegaya in dastuurkaasi ay qaadacen qaar katirsan Beelaha halkaasi kasoo jeeda

Maxaba laga hadli wada hadaladi wabay bubureen eh:D

Carafaat;820792 wrote: Xaaji, you want these talks to fail. Ma yeelino. No but i know waxa so socda dee:D

I told you don't expect to much from these talks well done Dr Maxamad Abdulahi Cumar.

Gheelle.T;820744 wrote: XX, Axmed Indha-shareer maxaad ugu tagtay? Bal hal meel oo aad negative news AS iyo Indho-Shareerane kaga sheegtay soo deji! Xaaji, dadka Ethnic Somaliland ah dee wax kama sheegtide naga daa ciyaarta. Dude i don't support Alshabaab http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/58502-Alshabaab-wa-shayaadin

Shinbir Raisal wasaaruhu wu magacyo badanyahay abdi weli, gaas, cabdi cawar Axmed godane laftigisu wu magacyo badanyahay waxa la yidha Axmed godane waxa kalo la yidha Abu subeyr sida ula soco.

Shinbir anigu waxba ma qoro adeer sawniga hadh iyo habeen Faroole so geliya meesha iyo Sh sharif iyo Galmudug tallow iyaguna maxay yihin:D

Shinbir maya aniga Ookiyaal SL igu ma jiro cidkasta waan u hadla runti Godane dee wa shabaab Shabaab bu matalayaa tanina dee wa war jira oo Mazazineka lugu so daray Abu Subeyr.

Somaliland: Vice President Opens A New Kidney Unit Wing At Hargeisa Hospital HARGEISA(Somalilandpress)The Vice President of Somaliland Hon Abdirahman Abdillah Ismail (saylic)has cut the ribbon to a new wing at Hargeisa hospital to house a state of art kidney unit. The VP speaking during the opening of the new wing that will house the Kidney Dialysis unit, said the Dialysis machine will act as an important substitutive therapy for patients with Kidney disease who used to Shuttling between different hospitals in various cities, the frail kidney patients have now got a hope to cling on. VP said from now on kidney patients will receive their treatment locally unlike before when they used to travel to neighboring countries for treatment. The minister of health Dr Hussein Muhammed Mohamed revealed the hospital will provide the dialysis service free and that the unit, he added” hemo dialysis is still a complicated and inconvenient therapy that requires a coordinated effort from our whole health care team. Dr Hussein most importantly, the treatment costs are also reduced for the patients, we also have 25 Doctors who5are capable operating the equipment and we have organized them to facilitate treatment for those persons who are unable to pay the high fees that are associated with the treatment. The minister of health said currently there are at least more than 20 foreign doctors mainly from Finland, Russia, India and other countries providing their free healthcare in various hospitals in the country. The spoke person of emirates doctors who donated the machines said, we are providing equipment and training, and our highly trained team is committed to transferring the requisite knowledge needed for the administering of quality treatment.

i don't know what you on about sheekadan maxa Somaliland keeney waxay ka hadlaysa dadka influantialka Magazines Shinbir ma waxa kugu dhacay cudurki dadki wax walba Somaliland ka dhex arki jiray:D