Qaranki;821358 wrote: ^It's nice to see you have Ethiopia's best interest at heart. Kulaha Aynu isla joogno Because Ethiopia said so

And we care about Ethiopia because? maybe you care but Somalilanders don't i remember Ethiopia in the 80s saying they will never ever give up the red sea look what happened Ethiopia has nothing to say about this issue Xabashida afka laga laada sidaasay wax ku bartaan. The AU has so far taken the application by Somalilander President Rayale seriously. Despite fears that recognition would lead to the fragmentation of Somalia or other AU member states, an AU fact-finding mission in 2005 concluded the situation was sufficiently "unique and self-justified in African political history" that "the case should not be linked to the notion of 'opening a Pandora's box'." The AU fact-finding mission recommended that the AU "should find a special method of dealing with this outstanding case" at the earliest possible date. On 16 May this year, President Rayale met with the AU Commission Chairperson, Alpha Oumar Konaré, to discuss Somaliland's application for membership.

Sabti, Abriil 21, 2012 (HOL) — Xildhibaannada iyo wasiirrada kasoo jeeda gobolka Hiiraan oo maanta kulan ku yeeshay hotelka Ambassador ee magaalada Muqdisho ayaa waxay isku raaceen in gobolka Hiiraan loo qaybiyo laba gobol, iyagoo sheegay in gobolka Hiiraan uu muddo dheer cadaalad-darro kusoo jiray. Kulankan ayaa waxaa soo qabanqaabiyay xubno uu ka mid yahay mudane Ibraahim Ibraahim Xabeeb Nuur, iyadoo xildhibaannadii kulanka kasoo qaybgalay oo tiradoodu kor u dhaafaysay 40-tameeyo ay isku waafaqeen in gobolka Hiiraan laga dhigo laba gobol. Doodo badan kaddib ayay xildhibaannadu isku raaceen in gobolka kale loo bixiyo Shabeellada sare ayna xarun u noqoto degmada Buule-burte, waxayna xuseen in tani ay meesha ka saarayso cadaalad-darradii uu gobolku kusoo jiray muddada dheer. Xildhibaannada iyo wasiirrada reer Hiiraan ayaa waxay kulankooda ka sheegeen in gobollada kale ee dalka loo qaybiyay min laba illaa saddex, balse gobolka Hiiraan uu yahay mid aan la kala qaybin tan iyo markii gobollada dalka ay ahaayeen sideedda. Wasiirrada kulanka kasoo qaybgalay ayaa waxay kala ahaayeen: wasiir u dowlaha wasaaradda Tamarta iyo Shidaalka, C/qaadir Dhicisoow, wasiir u dowladaha madaxtooyada, C/raxiin Abiikar iyo wasiir u dowlaha wasaaradda caafimaadka, Maxmed Cumar. Mas'uuliyintan ayaa waxay sheegeen in degmooyinka gobolka ay u deynayaan inay go'aan ka gaarto wasaaradda arrimaha gudaha iyo ammaanka Qaranka, markaas kaddibna la shaacin doono. Ugu dambeyn, xildhibaanada shiray iyo wasiirrada ayaa waxay sheegeen inay u gudbin doonaan go'aankooda madaxda sare ee dalka markaas kaddibna ay sameyn doonaan xaflad weyn oo ay kaga dhawaaqayaan gobolka cusub iyo degmooyinkiisa.

Young and old one voice one people one nation one flag one country

Mukaloow that's up to them whether they accept it or not not up 2 us Somalilanders will never ever give up their statehood if it didn't happen the past 21 years that should ring a bell.The international community told Somaliland and Somalia to talk about their future relations and take it from there they never said we will not recognize Somaliland but always said its up to the African union and the African union made it clear that Somaliland has a unique case in Africa even if talks fail with Somalia it doesn't change that fact. Somalia its self is in turmoil right now we have a western back government with limited control over its territory fighting with Islamic Militants. Mukaloow if a language unites countries Tanzania and Kenya would've been united the Tigray region of Ethiopia would've been part of Eritrea and Yemen and Oman would've been one country again that's not a valid point son ,the people of Somaliland made their choice very clear. No one brain washed them most of our kids were born in the late 80s and mid 80s and they were schooled in an independent Somaliland.

Mukulaalow;821338 wrote: So do you honestly believe if these talks take place, the Koonfurians will give you the green light for independency? Tell me what does SL wan't to achieve on these talks? you know and I know its almost almost impossible for any Koonfur admin of tfg to let SL go, its almost what unites the southers (The unity of Somalia), So again what is your objective on these talks other than power sharing? if you believe the SL politicians are in for anything other than power sharing and the best part of cake, then you don't know anything about politics. Its all about showing good will to the international Community ,Somaliland will present its case Somalia will do the same and the international community will mediate but mark my words Somaliland will never ever give up its statehood nothing is more valuable than freedom its self. The end goal is always a full fledged recognized republic if the talks don't pave road for that even in a few years time lets say in 2016 2017. Somaliland is not going waste its time there are other ways to do so but it will make the best out if it when it comes down to talks. If south sudan and sudan agreed if Eritrea and Ethiopia agreed i don't see how the people who speak the same language can't agree.Mukaloow you are 21 years to late my Friend there is a whole new generation who don't have any connection with the former Dissolved Somali republic. By the way i don't think the Koonfurians will accept it easily but in the long term they will be forced to learn live with it because there is no other way.

If you clearly listen to faisal he said anagu na muqadis baanu la imanayna iyaguna muqadis faisal is a politician when talking you don't chant and come with an Ultimatum other wise there is no need for talks. When faisal was asked if the Koonfurians give all the Political leadership of Somalia to Somaliland like Somaliland did in 1960 will you accept it he answered and said adeer meel lugu jabay lugu ma noqdo:D

No its the other way around laasqoray and laascaanood are Somaliland. Somaliland is having a dialogue with Somalia not with its self.

Even professor Samatar is politically correct this time Somaliland and Somalia to countries united and they are the only two that can make or break the union and they should talk No Bugland balaayo land Budhuqland beenbeenland iyo wixi la mid ah. (Somaliland and Somalia).

Burahadeer some people love lying to themselves its gives them hope i tell you Somaliland is not interested in Political positions in Somalia nothing less than a full fledged independent republic well atleast that's the noise coming from Hargeysa.

Sultan Faisal is awesome:D

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He made some good points

Taasa la leeyahay ha i raacdo waxas oo budhuq ah iyo hanjabaad iyo fatadhuug but when it comes to it kabahooda bay ka cararaan

Maxa meesha faan iyo dhuuso ka dhacaysa waxano dhan hadal baa ka danbayn hadhow detoore osman yaan la wayin uun.

Guys doodu aad bay u wanaagsanayd a guy from somalia aNd a guy from somaliland iyo dad both from somaliland and somalia Waxa Laga hadlay xiligi labada dal isku biireen siday kala ahayeen waxa Kala taga keeney iyo wada hadaladi somalia iyo somaliland wax walba walaga hadlay.

Captain jack how can i forget him:D

Teleefoon bay ragi ku waleen and now and days people have Phone every where shaqada gaadhiga mobile way wareeriyeen miskiinka laakin markay gaboobaan way ka raystaan i think its jealousy they are scared inu naag kale ka raaco.

Udub the party of Cigaal dad wax ma garato ah ba ku ciyaaray

*Blessed;821136 wrote: Interesting. Shame, I liked Jamaal. Ummaduu ka farxin lahaa. Haye, bal Xaqsoor iyo Wadani maxay isla hayaan? Blessed Xaqay ino soorayaan Xaqsoor Wadani is going as a speed train in Somaliland Jamaal wu wanaagsan laha laakin siyaasadan udub ba walaan people advised him ka fagow adeerka Ahmed Yasin wa nin wax walaqay eeh but he didn't listen its better for him to join one of the other parties.

Rayaale Iyo Ku Xigeenkiisa Oo La Sheegay Inay Isku Qanciyeen In Mar Kale Ay U Ordaan Madaxtinimada Dalka, Siyaasiyiin Miisaan Ku Leh UDUB Oo La Filayo Inay Ka Dhaqaaqaan Dhawaan Hargeysa, April 19, 2012 (Haatuf) – Madaxwaynihii hore ee Somaliland iyo ku xigeenkiisii, isla markaana ah Guddoomiyaha iyo ku xigeenka xisbiga mucaaridka ah ee UDUB Daahir Rayaale Kaahin iyo Axmed Yuusuf Yaasiin ayaa la sheegay inay ku heshiiyeen in mar 3-aad ay u ordaan Musharaxnimada Madaxwayne-nimo hadii xisbigoodu ka soo gudbo doorashadda golayaasha deegaanka ee dhawaan la filayo inay dalka ka qabsoonto. Sida uu Wargeyska Haatuf uga xogwarantay Masuul ka tirsan xubnaha sarsare ee xisbiga UDUB, kaas oo ka cudurdaartay in magaciisa la shaaciyo, ayaa tilmaamay khilaaf mudo dhexmiranayey Rayaale ku xigeenkiisa ay ka heshiiyeen, isla markaana ay isku afgarteen inay muquuriyaan siyaasiyiinta Udub ee damacu kaga jiray inay xisbigaas iska soo dhex sharaxaan. Sidoo kale Masuulkaas ayaa waxa uu intaas ku daray in tan iyo maalintii uu Daahir Rayaale laalay Musharaxnimadii golaha dhexe ee UDUB u doorteen Aqoonyahan Jamaal Cali Xuseen, isla markaana dad badani sheegeen inuu garabka saaray Wasiirkii hore ee duulista Cali Maxamed Warancade ee lagaga adkaaday tartankii Musharaxnimada ee xisbigaas dhexdiisa in mawqifkaasi isdalay ka dib markii lagula taliyey inay labadoodu mar 3-aad isa-soo sharaxaan Musharaxiinta Udub u tartami doonta Doorashada Madaxtooyada. Dhinaca kale Masuulkan ayaa sheegay in Rajada kaliya ee Xisbiga UDUB uu u lahaa in bulshada reer Somaliland mar kale dib u soo doorataa ay ku jirtay oo kaliya Jamaal Cali Xuseen oo loo ogolaado inuu hogaamiyo xisbigaas, hadii kalese aanu ka soo bixi doonin doorashada golayaasha deegaanka ee dhawaan dalka ka qabsoomi doonta. Ugu horayna Masuulkaasi isaga oo ka hadlaya heshiiska Daahir Rayaale iyo Axmed Yuusuf Yaasiin, waxa uu yidhi “Waxay ku heshiiyeen Daahir Rayaale iyo Axmed Yuusuf Yaasiin inay mar sadexaad u tartamaan Musharaxnimada xisbiga UDUB, waxaanay damacsan yihiin in doorashada deegaanka wixii ka danbeeya ay ku dhawaaqaan, sababta oo ah hadii ay imika ku dhawaaqaan damacoodaas Musharaxnimo cid ka aqbalaysaa ma jirto iyaguna kalidood waxba ma qabsanayaan”. Isaga oo hadalkiisa sii watana, waxa uu yidhi “Jamaal imika wuu ka niyad jabay xisbiga UDUB, sababta oo ah isagu waxa uu doonayey inuu difaaco karaamada xisbigaasi ummadda reer Somaliland ku dhex leeyihiin, oo uu muujiyo inuu yahay xisbiga ugu wayn ee Somaliland ka jira. lacagtiisii waxyar oo la isticmaalay mooyaane intii badnayd wuu la baxay oo wax aan ka badnayn ilaa $70,000 ayaa laga isticmaalay oo uu inta ugu badana isaga ku baxday, intii kale wuu qaatay oo xisbiyada kale kii uu u arko inuu ummadda dani ugu jirto ayuu ka dhex ifi-doonaa”. Masuulkan UDUB ka tirsani mar uu ka hadlayey rajada laga qabo in xisbigaasi uu mar danbe ka mid noqdo saddex xisbi qaran, waxa uu yidhi “Xisbiga UDUB rajada kaliya ee u banaan ee ummadu mar danbe ku aqbali karaysay waxa ay ahayd iyaga oo ogolaada Musharaxnimada Jamaal Cali Xuseen, sababta oo ah xisbigayagii kor ayuu u soo kacay markii uu Jamaal ku dhawaaqay inuu u tartamo jagada ugu saraysa xisbiga, taasise waxay u cuntami wayday Wasiiradii Rayaale ay iskugu dhawaayeen oo dhan, hadii ay xataa Wasiiradii Rayaale hogaanka UDUB loo dhiibo xisbigaasi ka mid noqon maayo saddex Xisbi ee tartanka doorashada deegaanka ku guulaysta”.

Blessed miyanaad Maqlin rayaale and Yasin want to run again Jamaal waxa lugu yidhi adeer iskaga noqo bangigaagi meeshan udub ba la yidha

Xaqsoor and Wadani all the way

nuune;821128 wrote: ^^ That fortress of Mombasa, ha iga barin ninkan, meeshan dhawaan baan booqanayaa hadana, waa la iga yeedhay, cadcadkii baa wali cuudkii ay daareen wali aan bakhtin kolka waa inaan durba ku noqdaa, Xiin, adigu goormaad iman, aan kuu sii gogol-xaaree , aad raajicisid qolyaheena cadcadka ah ee feynuustii ifeysey la moodo, raali wey ka yihiin guur gaabanoo goos goos ah hadhowna geeska la is daro muda yar sida todobaad, War ninka ha u gogol xaarin u gogal xaadh hadaad meesha ku xaartid maxabad casumi.

Somalia: the Limits of Theoretical State By Nuradin Jilani April 19 , 2012 For a start, there is no denying that Somalia as a nation state exists. Yes it does. It’s on the world map; it’s also represented in the United Nations and numerous international bodies. It has a flag, a president, parliament, national army and police--although these nascent institutions are concentrated mainly in some parts of the capital city Mogadishu. However, outside Mogadishu there is another reality. From much of South-central Somalia all the way to Puntland, there exists no geographic contiguity and a system of governance that directly takes its cue from the government in the capital city. Yet the administrations of Ahlusunah waljameeca, Hiiraan, Xima & Xeeb, Azania and Puntland all claim, theoretically, allegiance to the TFG. The TFG itself is a collection of unelected strange bedfellow – secularists, Sufis, Salafis, centralists, regionalists, federalists – brought together under the 4.5 power-sharing formula. This ‘theater of the absurd’ is imposed on the Somali people for fear of Somalia becoming un-governed space and falling into the hands of international terrorist networks. On the borders, the armies of neighboring Kenya and Ethiopia are currently deep in Somali territory claiming to assist the Somali government fight Alshaab. They do not, however, coordinate their activities with the TFG forces nor take orders from it. That is Somalia, a country that is free fall all, whose land, sea and air is everyone’s business. The TFG officially represents this absurd country. In what can be described as a case of misplaced priorities the TFG is undertaking momentous tasks in its Roadmap initiative. Among other things, they’re drafting a new constitution and readying the nation for elections. It seems these phantasmagorical projects are more important than improving the deteriorating security situation in the capital city and winning the war against Alshabaab. Or perhaps this war is never meant to be won at all. This goose that lays the golden eggs is better chased around than killed! In another bizarre twist of events, the TFG is sending a delegation to London to hold talks with the representatives of the secessionist enclave of ‘Somaliland’. The agenda of the talks is everyone’s guess. However, I will not be surprised if they agree to the secession of ‘Somaliland’. With the secessionist sympathizer Augustine Mahiga calling the shots, and the venue being London of all places, the expectation does not auger well. This view is informed by the haste with which the secessionists are rushing the process (they’ve announced their technical team ahead of the TFG) and the celebratory mood in Hargeisa relating to this issue. I shall not prejudge though. Perhaps the secessionists have exhausted everything and are looking for Sadbursi and a larger piece of the political pie of Somalia as they want to compete Puntland in the affairs of Southern Somalia. Even if so, the current theoretical TFG, is ill disposed to undertake such a momentous task on behalf of the country. Granted, the TFG didn’t initiate this process; they were forced to do it, but they should have at least tried to convince the international community that the more pressing issues of security and stabilization of the country demanded their attention in the immediate term. The Idea of a Nation and the Somali Condition In a very thoughtful article entitled ‘The Role of Literature in Modern Africa’ (NewAfrican, Nov. 2010) which was written to commemorate the 50 anniversary since the dawn independence for many African nations, the famous Nigerian writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie stated that one of the reasons why most African countries are failing is the fact “that citizens have not yet absorbed the idea of a nation. “A nation is not about the geography of land but the geography of the mind. It is an idea, or a collection of ideas.” Adichie’s says “what has made other modern states succeed is a faith in its own idea of what it is and its place in the world”, which is largely missing in Africa, as we place emphasis on the ‘rituals’ of “the flags and borders and anthems that keep a people ostensibly united.” I’m sure Adichie has no issue with flags and borders, as other successful modern nations have them also, but the lack of self-confidence in ourselves and the loss of collective sense of who we are as a people and how this creates dependency on others is what concerns her most. Thus, she writes: “We are a people conditioned by our history and by our place in the modern world to look towards "somewhere else" for validation, to see ourselves as inhabitants of the periphery”. Adichie may have analyzed the current African condition from an imaginative literary point of view but this is also true in the arena of economics and politics. After more than fifty years of independence, Africans still communicate with each other in European languages. African countries do business more with outsiders than between themselves. It’s also easier and cheaper in many African countries to travel to one African country to another via Europe. The cash crop for export, at the expense of domestic production, is still the favorite foreign currency earner. Not to mention the brain drain. I can continue but there is no need to rehash the obvious. The so-called African Union (AU) has done little tangible work to fully integrate African states – politically, economically, and socially - since its founding. Somalis were the opposite of this. At the dawn of Independence, the largely homogenous Somalis had a solid idea of their collective sense as a people. The geography of the Somali mind was not confined to the two parts that formed the union of Somalia in July 1960. This idea was printed on the flag, legislated in the constitution, and sang in the national song. At the time, Somalis were a people cocksure of themselves and their place in the world. The Somali child first imbibed the sights and sounds of his native soil before she/he came to into contact with other cultures. Somalis had also embraced and supported the struggles of Africans who were fighting for freedom, such as Mozambique, Angola, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and South Africa. Sadly that idea is today dead and gone. How it died and who killed it is not the scope or reach of this short article; rather it’s to show that Somalia as geographically contiguous nation state is not, currently, in existence. Nor is the idea which formed the original Somalia plausible today. Somalis are growing apart both mentality and physically. That is a reality that we cannot ignore any longer. We have lost the sense of who we are – collectively – as a people. We have become a people who look to others for validation and even rule. Adichie’s African condition is perhaps more Somali than African. Getting priorities right The TFG is the only institution that represents this strange country that exists only in name. As such, they should thread carefully and not gamble with the future of this already fragile state by opening Bandora Boxes of secessionism which will certainly trigger cascading effects. The momentum created by the administration of former Prime Minister Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed must not be squandered. Already Alshabaab are bouncing back with the recent deadly suicide attack in Mogadishu. This is because of the chronic over-dependency on foreign forces on the security of the country. It’s a national shame that Somali armed forces cannot hold their ground against Alshaab, let alone displace them without the assistance of AMISON troops. This dependency is ‘created fact’ which can be overcome if the TFG politicians in charge of the army put their priorities right. It’s only by empowering the Somali Armed Forces can the tide be turned against Alshabaab. Ultimately it’s the Somalis that must fight their fight. This open-ended foreign military presence is untenable and detrimental to the future of country. Just the other day AMISON troops were apologizing for running over innocent civilians. Apologies? Why not compensation or even criminal persecution? It‘s high time for the TFG to negotiate with AMISON an agreement similar to Iraqi- American Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) that should set a timetable for their stay in the country and regulate their activities in Somalia. If we’re not deluding ourselves, the only way proper elections can be held and constitutional referendum be conducted, is by having boots on the ground in the provinces. Secessionism can also be discouraged by negotiating from a position of strength and by offering better alternatives – that is, if you first put your house in order. But instead of doing the obvious – which the majority of Somalis agree to - and putting their priorities right, the current TFG leaders, I’m sorry to say, are ‘Mending Rips in the Sky’, to borrow the title from Dr. Hussein Adam Tanzani’s essay.