Somaliland: Turks Inspect Ottoman Empire Infrastructure Monday, 14 May 2012 22:40 The port of Seyla during the Ottomans reignBy: Yusuf M Hasan SAYLA (Somalilandsun) – A Turkish delegation is in Salal region as part of enhanced cooperation with Somaliland. The 16 member delegation who arrived overland from Djibouti were received at the Lowyado border point by senior government officials led by the new Salal regional governor Mr. Nuur Osman Guleid, Mayor of Seyla Mr. Mohamed Omar Hadi "Awad", Salal Regional police commander Mohamed Abdi Ahmed among others. The Turkish delegation held with meetings with regional officials in Seyla town where they were briefed on the general situation prevalent in Salal region as pertains to development programs which are the main interest of the government in Ankara. The Turkish delegation which conveyed their greetings to the president H.E Ahmed Mahmoud Silanyo reciprocated the regional government's briefing by detailing purpose of the visit and what they hope to achieve thus strengthen existing relations between the two countries. The Turks said they were very pleased to have visited Seyla town where their forefathers are buried following their extended stay in the area during the reign of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The delegation revealed their dismayed at the deplorable state of various historical infrastructures put in place by the Ottoman's i.e. Library, Seyla port, Jamaa Mosque, Water cisterns, police lines and Hospital. The Turks who promised to dispatch an engineer to Seyla in order to assess requirements for rehabilitation of the dilapidated Turkish sites also visited Sa'adadin secondary School where they also promised a scholarship to the top student from the school at any Turkish university of choice. The Turkish government which has been in the forefront of rehabilitating Somalia seems to have diverted part of its high status attention to Somaliland. Several delegations have so far visited and various development support partnership entered upon. The Ottoman state began as one of many small Turkish states that emerged in Asia Minor during the breakdown of the empire of the Seljuk Turks. The Ottoman Turks began to absorb the other states, and during the reign (1451–81) of Muhammad II they ended all other local Turkish dynasties. The early phase of Ottoman expansion took place under Osman I, Orkhan, Murad I, and Beyazid I at the expense of the Byzantine Empire, Bulgaria, and Serbia. Bursa fell in 1326 and Adrianople (the modern Edirne) in 1361; each in turn became the capital of the empire. The great Ottoman victories of Kosovo Field (1389) and Nikopol (1396) placed large parts of the Balkan Peninsula under Ottoman rule and awakened Europe to the Ottoman danger. The Ottoman siege of Constantinople was lifted at the appearance of Timur, who defeated and captured Beyazid in 1402. The Ottomans, however, soon rallied. The empire, reunited by Muhammad I, expanded victoriously under Muhammad's successors Murad II and Muhammad II. The victory (1444) at Varna over a crusading army led by Ladislaus III of Poland was followed in 1453 by the capture of Constantinople. Within a century the Ottomans had changed from a nomadic horde to the heirs of the most ancient surviving empire of Europe. Their success was due partly to the weakness and disunity of their adversaries, partly to their excellent and far superior military organization. Their army comprised numerous Christians—not only conscripts, who were organized as the corps of Janissaries, but also volunteers. Turkish expansion reached its peak in the 16th cent. under Selim I and Sulayman I (Sulayman the Magnificent). The breakup of the state gained impetus with the Russo-Turkish Wars in the 18th cent. Egypt was only temporarily lost to Napoleon's army, but the Greek War of Independence and its sequels, the Russo-Turkish War of 1828–29 (see Adrianople, Treaty of), and the war with Muhammad Ali of Egypt resulted in the loss of Greece and Egypt, the protectorate of Russia over Moldavia and Walachia, and the semi-independence of Serbia. Drastic reforms were introduced in the late 18th and early 19th cent. By Selim III and Mahmud II, but they came too late. By the 19th cent. Turkey was known as the Sick Man of Europe. In 1908 the Young Turk movement, a reformist and strongly nationalist group, with many adherents in the army, forced the restoration of the constitution of 1876, and in 1909 the parliament deposed the sultan and put Muhammad V on the throne. In the two successive Balkan Wars (1912–13), Turkey lost nearly its entire territory in Europe to Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, and newly independent Albania. The nationalism of the Young Turks, whose leader Enver Pasha gained virtual dictatorial power by a coup in 1913, antagonized the remaining minorities in the empire. The outbreak of World War I found Turkey lined up with the Central Powers. Although Turkish troops succeeded against the Allies in the Gallipoli campaign (1915), Arabia rose against Turkish rule, and British forces occupied (1917) Baghdad and Jerusalem. In 1918, Turkish resistance collapsed in Asia and Europe. An armistice was concluded in October, and the Ottoman Empire came to an end. The Treaty of Sèvres (see Sèvres, Treaty of) confirmed its dissolution. With the victory of the Turkish nationalists, who had refused to accept the peace terms and overthrew the sultan in 1922, modern Turkey's history began.

Wefti ka socday Turkiga oo booqday Saylac iyo Goobo taariikhiya Saylac(Waaheen) wefti ka socday dalka Turkiga ayaa booqday Goobaha taariikhiga ah ee ay dhiseen ee ku yaala magaaladda Saylac ee Gobolka Selal. Weftiga Turkiga oo ka koobnaa laba iyo toban xubnood waxa ay booqdeen dekedda Saylac, Barkada Kaydka Biyaha iyo Masjid Jaamaca weyn goobahaas oo ay qarniyo hore oo ay ka talin jireen ay dhiseen Turkigu. Maamulka Gobolka iyo ka degmadda ayaa weftigaasi ku qaabilay magaaladda Saylac, waxaanay ku soo wareejiyeen dhamaan gudaha iyo darafyadda Magaaladda, halkaas oo ay indho indheeyeen weftiga Turkiga ah isla markaana ay balan qaadeen in ay wax ka qaban doonaan arrimaha Bulshada ee dadka ku nool Saylac Weftiga Turkiga ahi waxa ay ka soo galeen dalka Xuduudka dhinaca Jabuuti halkaas oo ay ku joogeen booqasho hal maalin ah iyagoo isla galabnimadiiba dib ugu laabtay dalka Jabuuti.

^^ One man one vote let the people decide their leader as long as there is a strong united government for the people by the people.

Mukulaalow;830146 wrote: Looks like PM Abdiwali inuu dadka ka hor xirtay salaadii . Salaad mahiga kugu ag xidhay allow alleh:D

Dee isaga ba odayadisi meesha ka so kexeyeeye kuwi kale wey joogaan wali meeshi. Dee kuwa wadaadadu ba qodobo bay diidayaan kuwa citizenshipka diideen wax bay diidanyihin kuwa federalismka diidan iyagu na qodobo bay wax diidanyihin i think only indhocade ba waxaba diiday isna dee waxba mu akhriyin hada wala tusay oo wa tageerey dastuurka. War anigu dastuurka ma ogali Somalia ka raali maha dastuurka , dastuurka mahiga so mal maluuqay wax gaal so mal maluuqay in dal islaam lugu dhaqo ilama aha federalism anigu dan uma arko marka anigu dastuurka wa halki professor cali khalif inaga baandheeyaa.

Qandalawi;830141 wrote: Some oppose it for good reasons others do it out of ignorance and hearsay. War isku doon ba la wada saaranyahay qaar waxay ka so horjeedaaan qodobo gaar ah qaar waxay leeyihin ansixinta dastuurka lama gaadhin ba but its good reer puntland inay diideen dastuurka

The letter is an old one from 2007 jibriel salaad lives in hargeysa.

madii Shirka Muqdisho uga qaybgalay Puntland oo Garowe soo gaaray Posted by Puntlandi on May 15th, 2012 Waxaa goor dhawayd magaalada Garowe soo gaaray Wafdigii Odayaasha dhaqanka Puntland ee ka soo biya diiday shirkii Muqdisho ee ansixinta Dastuurka Soomaaliya. 23 xunood oo ka mid ah Isimada Puntland oo ay la socdaan xubno guddi farsamo ah ayaa isaga soo baxay shirka Odayaasha ee Muqdisho, kadib markii ay arkeen in Dastuurka Soomaaliya ee hada gacanta lagu hayo uusan ka tarjumayn dadta guud ee umada islamarkaana uusan u qalmin in Dastuur ahaan Dalka looga ansixiyo. Inkastoo wararka qaar ay sheegayaan Odayaasha hada garoowe soo gaaray in aysan wada dhamayn hadana waxaa la filayaa in goor dhaw ay shir-saxaafadeed ku qabtaan xarunta Madextooyada Dawlada Puntland ee magaalada Garowe oo ay hada ku sugan yihiin. wixii warar ah ee ka soo kordha kala soco webk

War maha spoilers nimanku

Good news osman we should welcome this, sheekadan wa jujuub jujuub lama aqbali karo

Outside Hargeisa modern facilities for visitors are scarce and basic, but there is plenty to see. At Laas Geel, an area just outside the capital, visitors can see the most significant Neolithic rock-painting site in Africa, a treasure of global significance where the strong, vibrant colours and stark outlines show ancient locals worshipping cattle and venerating a pregnant cow. Farther afield a stunning drive through a dusty landscape takes you to the medieval port town of Berbera, site of a runway once secured by NASA as an emergency space shuttle landing strip. Tracks run along the coast west from Berbera, past mangroves, gorgeous islands and coral reef, to the towering cliffs and beaches around the historic city of Zeila, once part of the Ottoman Empire and a major centre for trade during the 19th Century. History lovers are well catered for along the coast with ruined cities, thousands of years old, which had links with ancient Egypt and northern Ethiopia. Energetic visitors can hike up into the thick forests in the Cal Madow mountains, home to at least 200 endemic plants and rare and beautiful wildlife, including the golden-winged grosbeak and the beira antelope. But the main attraction of this unrecognized country, at least for me, are the locals. Somalilanders are an inspirational people who have built a functioning state in a dangerous part of the world. The country, whether internationally recognized or not, is a stark and beautiful land and, thanks to both the landscape and the locals, one of my favourite places on the entire planet. The adventurer and explorer Simon Reeve has visited more than 110 countries and been around the world three times for the BBC television series Equator, Tropic of Cancer, and Tropic of Capricorn. His latest televised journey, that included Somaliland, was titled Indian Ocean.

Somaliland: Africa’s unofficial country Africa Adventure 14 May 2012 | By Simon Reeve Currency traders in Somaliland (Simon Reeve) In most countries you need a passport to exchange foreign money for local currency. In Somaliland, an unrecognised country in the Horn of Africa, you need a wheelbarrow. Related blog post: Forms of ID with Simon Reeve Most local banknotes in Somaliland are only worth pennies, so a brick of money is usually needed to buy a meal of camel hump or goat meat. The whole process of exchanging notes is gloriously exotic. In the dusty local market in Hargeisa, the capital of Somaliland, rows of currency traders set up stalls on the side of the road with money they value by weight. Some traders have hundreds of kilos of notes ready to swap for pound sterling, US dollars or euros, with barrow-boy helpers moving the money around on two wheels or in the back of a car. I gave them $100, and was handed a sack of Somaliland shillings that made me feel like a millionaire. I was visiting Somaliland on a journey that took me from South Africa, up the east coast of the continent, around India and back down through Indonesia to finish in southwest Australia. Rarely visited by Westerners, Somaliland is fundamentally different from the other countries in the region -- and almost anywhere else on the planet. According to the rest of the world, Somaliland is, officially, just a part of Somalia, located in the northern area along the Gulf of Aden. Somalia has endured appalling suffering during recent decades and has become the classic example of a failed state. At least one million Somalis have died in the conflict that has raged there for decades, and when I visited the Somali capital Mogadishu recently, the country was undergoing a famine that started during summer 2011 and by unofficial estimates has killed tens of thousands and affected millions more. For foreigners it is an anarchic, chaotic and a frighteningly dangerous place. I wore a flak jacket, helmet and “blast boxers” (armoured underwear) as I witnessed active frontline combat in the ongoing battle to control the country. Somaliland, by contrast, is an unrecognised state larger than England and home to 3.5 million people, but it has an independent, democratically elected government and its own army, flag, media and border control, but must rely on an uneasy relationship with Somalia for matters like international diplomacy and large scale public works. Somaliland also fosters a small tourist industry offering a warm and welcoming alternative to Somalia for the occasional adventurous international traveller who makes it this far. Landing here after visiting Somalia is a profound culture shock. In Mogadishu visitors are greeted by chaos and bundled into the back of an armoured personnel carrier for their own safety. In Somaliland I was greeted at the airport with a huge smile and warm hug by a local guide and taken by taxi to change money and then for a meaty feast in a local restaurant. Britain was the former colonial power in Somaliland from 1888-1960. Locals, overwhelmingly Muslim, fought and died for Britain during World War II, and Somalilanders still feel a strong attachment to the country and what consider its benevolent rule. They now struggle to understand why the UK has not done more to help their country secure legitimate international recognition -- a complicated issue apparently caused by the British government’s desire for an African state to be the first to recognise Somaliland, and the fact that a Somaliland port competes for business with neighbouring Djibouti. After separating from the shrinking British empire, Somaliland voluntarily joined with Somalia for economic and security reasons. But when a dictator came to power in Somalia the relationship soured in the 1980s. Somalilanders fought a bitter war to reclaim their independence which was ultimately successful, by default, as Somalia collapsed in internal turmoil. Visiting the Somaliland today is a humbling lesson in survival and self-determination. In Hargeisa, where 50,000 died during the war of re-independence, a Somali MiG jet used to bomb the city sits atop a poignant memorial. But the city is being repaired and redeveloped. There is hustle and bustle, as new shops, internet cafes, hotels and other businesses open every week.

Mukulaalow;829978 wrote: hayeee, taariikh cusub. Are you telling me there was a country called Somalia before 1884 intaanu saan cadaluhu dalka iman waba taarikh cusub curiyow.

^^ Waryaa only Koonfurians can speak about unity because they have shown what unity really stands for.

Curi I don't remember the region being called Somalia the people were called Sumaal but there was no state or government berigaas waxan beri danbe bay timi adeer. Che its like markay reer Somalia ku leeyihin reer Somaliland ma go i kartaan no one ever said iyagay u taala:D Marka advise wa la isku leeyahay iyo talo ileen dadku wa Somali eh. Besides that Clan federalism is bad for Somaliland Somalia meelkasta.

Che -Guevara;829961 wrote: war xaaji....why does it matter to you what form of government your neighbors chose? Dabinka la qodaya baan ogahay

Mukulaalow;829958 wrote: and why divide Nugaal and sool, why divide Sanaag and Bari, bal taa ka jawaab xaaji. Mudug was one region i don't remember nugaal and sool being one region nor sanaag and bari being one region do you remember there were six regions in the south and 2 regions in the north at independence.

Nin ba beri igu yidhi Somali qabiil bay isku dishay wixi ay isku dileen bay ku heshiin kari wayeen balse hadana wax bay ku qeysbadeen wa ayno mar labaad isdilno.

General Duke;829950 wrote: What is clan federalism ? Also a unitary Somalia based on the 18 regions with NW Regiona part of the package is a great idea. No more nonsense about British Colonial borders. It's a step in the right direction. However all one is observing are the crocodile tears of the secessionists who seem even more confused lately. Clan federalism clan states based on clan qabil reer ama beel for the clan by the clan why divide mudug between galmudug and Puntland why divide Juba states between azana and jubaland why divide hiiraan state into 2 because of clan? i dont know you tell me??

Lets just see in the next 10 years if clan federalism works we will have this topic in the archives.

Abdul;829943 wrote: Xx,you should know that Sl is part of the package. if Somaliland is willing to be part of Somalia i welcome them to be part of a Unitary state instead of clan federalism.

With Clan federalism u will have little armies little regions various clan leaders fighting for power securing villages it will send Somalia back to the stone age , of Qabiilku ha wada loolaamo sidi laba qurumood eh.

Carafaat Unitary Somali State is the best way forward its the only thing Somalis know and its not confusing we should be careful though when it comes down to dictatorship Somalia needs to turn into a traditional democracy.

He went to the main market suuqa bacadlaha hargeysa sariflayasha suuqa hargeysa , and he visited jeelka weyn eeh hargeysa and berbera beach bataalaale along with that woman ina ibrahim.