ONLF is fighting a legitimate cause to free themselves from Ethiopia the question is we should ask our selves is can they deliver is it smart to include other Somalis from the region.Perhaps new leadership with in the ONLF is needed to reform the organization.

Somalia: Islamic Radicals In Retreat Thursday, June 21, 2012 Al Shabaab has lost its fearsome reputation, and that has proved to be a very costly defeat. More local militias are forming to drive out al Shabaab gunmen. With so many al Shabaab gangs destroyed (by combat and desertions), the remainder have fewer allies to call on if they run into local opposition. Many local al Shabaab groups had turned into gangsters, living off extortion and theft. Word has gotten around about the many defeats al Shabaab has suffered this year, and encouraged more opposition to the Islamic radical group. The core al Shabaab members are preparing to shift to being terrorists. That means trying to blend in, or go hide in a thinly populated area. This is particularly unpleasant for Kenya, which has suffered from Islamic terrorism for decades. But it's a step up from al Shabaab launching raids across the border, and providing logistical support for terrorists in Kenya. The demise of al Shabaab will put an end to all that. The Islamic terrorists are handled like another criminal gang in Kenya, one that specializes in mass murder rather than stealing. Sin Somalia the final blow to al Shabaab, the Islamic army, will be the capture of Kismayo, which is now surrounded by the Kenyan armed forces (the army on the land side, the navy off shore.) Without Kismayo al Shabaab cannot afford to pay a lot of gunmen or buy weapons and equipment. They go back to being a bunch of Islamic fanatics with a dream. Even with al Shabaab completely gone (not likely to happen soon), Somalia still has a major problem with the fact that it is the most unruly region on the planet. Sometimes described as a "failed state," that itself is optimistic. For most of the last thousand years, Somalia described an unruly region, not a unified state. Turning the place into a functioning nation is going against the nature of Somalia, which is normally a collection of tribes and warlords. Central government is not highly respected, feared or easily obeyed. Kenya wants Somalia declared pacified so it can shut down the Dadaab refugee camp near the Somali border and force the 450,000 refugees back into Somalia. The camp has become a major problem for Kenya, becoming the base for a growing number of Somali criminal gangs and terrorizing a growing number of Kenyans living near the camp. While foreign aid groups protest this plan, many of these same foreign aid groups will not allow their foreign employees to work in the camp. Kidnapping foreigners for ransom is becoming popular, and robbery has always been in fashion. The Somali government is offering amnesty and jobs in the armed forces for al Shabaab members. The government wants to prevent, as much as possible, al Shabaab men from becoming Islamic terrorists. Many current al Shabaab are just young guys looking for a job. Al Shabaab offered one, which seemed like a good deal when al Shabaab controlled most of southern Somalia. For the last year, that job has become too dangerous for most Somalis. Those who have not been killed or captured have often deserted or accepted amnesty. For many Somalis, who you carry a gun for is just business. Somali pirates are having a bad year. For the first half of 2011, they captured 28 ships. For the same period this year, only five have been taken. Pirate mother ships are under constant attack and most large ships operating near the Somali coast now have armed guards. The loss of mother ships makes it difficult for the pirates to go long distances to find unguarded ships. The seafaring nations are hoping that the defeat of al Shabaab on land will enable Somali security forces to shut down the pirate operations. June 18, 2012: In the port of Hobyo, which is halfway down the east coast of Somalia, two groups of pirates fought each other. There were several casualties, and the fighting was apparently the result of one pirate group trying to steal from the other. Hobyo has long served as a base for pirates. June 17, 2012: In Mogadishu, a car bomb went off in a market, wounding three people. Al Shabaab took credit. June 16, 2012: A suicide car bomber attacked troops outside Mogadishu (Afgoye) killing himself and two soldiers. Al Shabaab took credit. The United States declassified some of its military activity in Somalia, admitting that it was American guided missiles, often launched from UAVs that caused the deaths of numerous al Qaeda and al Shabaab leaders. June 15, 2012: Armed guards on British merchant ships now have permission to fire first when approached by pirates. Armed guards have to comply with laws applicable to the country of the owner of the ship they are on. Some European nations have very restrictive rules about the use of firearms and the pirates were taking advantage of this to get close before opening fire.

The biggest mistake they ever made.

It doesn't look like a kniisad to me wa gaal heesaya dee ama christaan ha noqdo ama budist ha noqdo hadu Somaliland u heeso dhibaato ma leh. Waxan moodayey Somaliland oo vaticanka tagtay oo kniisad Somaliland dalkayga ka so qaaday war hana waalina.

Carafaat;843764 wrote: I think many Somalilanders are hoping these talks will fail as well. They dont know how diplomacy works and both parties have interest in a succesfull deal. Xaaji Xunjuf prebare to get dissapointed. Disappointed about what Somaliland and Somalia are talking let them finish their talks we will discuss the communique they will release in a few hours time.

Jacaylbaro;843770 wrote: UPDATE: In kasta oo wax war ah oo rasmi ah aan laga hayn sida ciyaartu u socoto, garoonka cayaartana laga xidhay taageerayaasha labada team iyo daawadayaasha dhammaan, balse sida ilo lagu kalsoonyihin tibaaxayaan team ka Somaliland ayaa cayaar aad u wanaagsan soo bandhigay, half garoon baanay ku hayaan team-kii Somalia. Waxa la sheegayaa in wasiirka arrimaha dibadd Somaliland uu dhawr kubbadood oo aad u qurux badan ka soo dhigay koonaha bidix taasoo cayaartoyga caanka ah ee Xirsi uu bahal hirdi ah kaga gaw siiyay balse goolwaluhu dirqi iyo tu xun ku qabtay, marar badanna koone u saaray, sidoo kale ninka khadka dhexe uga cayaara Somaliland ee Bashe ayaa issagun kubbaadaha dhulka sii taabanaysa bahal laad ah ku tuwaalinaya oo dhawr jeer birta kaga gariiriiyay, ninka difaaca Somaliland uga cayaara ee la yidhaa Garaad ayaa la sheegay in la dhafi la'ayaha oo uu kubbad wal oo weerarka reer Somalia soo dhisaanba uu si qurux badan uga jarayo.... Cayaartyoga caanka ah ee Faysal Cali waraabe oo issaga indho gaar ah lagu eegayo ayaa daqiiqaddii 25aad kubbad uu dhexda ka qaadtay si xarrago le ula dhex qaaday oo xarfaddii lagu yaqaannay kula dhaafay cayaartoydii reer Somalia oo dhan, laad qurux badana sudhay, laakin birta sare ayay kubbadii cuskatay... Cayaarta oo ilaa immika 0-0 ah, halftime kii horena dhammaaday, waxay dadka cyaaraha faalleeyaa filayaan in haddii ay sidaa u wadaan cayaarta ay team-ka Somaliland hubaal goolal dhalin doonaan halftimeka danbe.. Suldaan faisal waxay ahayd inu madaxisa qawaan ku dhaliyo:D

burahadeer;843682 wrote:

Aadan Jugle;843680 wrote: independence or nationhood??? watch your use of terms, independence was 1960 June 26, nationahood may 18 1991 You are right 26 June is the day Somaliland gained independence we can call 18 may nationhood or the re-independenceday of Somaliland or the day the union was dissolved.

Burahadeer its just talks you don't have to take it to serious Somaliland made it clear that their hard earned independence is not negotiable the question we have to ask our selves, is it possible for Somaliland and Somalia to have relations maybe if they start talking now maybe in the future. Keep in mind Somalia is a bit insecure to be left behind that's all its not like they will be landlocked or lose fertile land. Burahadeer in Africa Somaliland and Somalia talks should be the most easiest if its done in a proper way. In Africa we had Ethiopia and Eritrea case Ethiopia ended up being landlocked we had Sudan and South sudan in 2005 they agreed to have a referendum on independence. In 2011 they gained their independence sudan losing all its oil fields.What will Somalia lose nothing much they still have enough land they still have a long sea coast they still have fertile land and other natural resources matter infact its smart to support Somalilands recognition,Somalia can be the richest country in Africa. So buarahdeer its good to talk because peaceful coexistence between the two countries is something good for both countries.

burahadeer;843665 wrote: both sides are arming themselves as they aware nothing coming out of these talks...so stay tuned. Its a long process the international community told Somaliland to talk to Somalia it doesn't mean they will agree but it shows that Somaliland is showing good will its a formality and ofcourse that the koonfurians are unreasonable when it comes to dialogue. Even if talks fail Somaliland can say they tried their best but it didn't work out, its a path Somaliland never walked talking to Somalia. But lets hope they agree on something that is beneficial to Somaliland.

Dear Aaaliyaah i don't think the Mighty garaad clan can be occupied by qad chewing mafrishles. Dadku wa dad is jecel adeero khatumo na walala heshiinaya ha u baqan

A_Khadar;843605 wrote: Awoowe Tan iyada ah ee Somaliland waad nagu wareerisee, bal define somaliland.. Are you talking about the clan you belong to or the colonized somaliland by British? If it's later one, common sense is before jumping to that high, let those who live their agree on this.. Hadii kale dee be specific and talk about the ONE that needs to be a NATION.. Awoowe i am talking about the people of Somaliland not about English colonizers Awdal Borama Hargeysa Togdheer burco Gabiley Berbera Ceerigaabo Sanaag Sool Caynabo Laascaanoood

Carafaat;843594 wrote: My guess would be just before or just august. Oke so in august we shall see if there is new Somali nationalism.

^^ Carafaat when?

Somaliland Keen On Independence At London Conference 20 JUNE 2012 London — Officials from Somaliland and the southern Somali government met in London to discuss the future of Somalia and Somaliland, Garowe Online reports. Officials from the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia and the breakaway region of Somaliland began talks in an undisclosed location in London. The Somaliland Somalia meeting was an issue agreed on at the London conference earlier this year. According to the final communiqué from the London conference held in February, this conference was organized to open up talks between the two governments to clarify their future relations. For twenty odd years, Somaliland's stance has been to gain independence from Somalia. Despite talks between the two governments Somaliland officials maintain that they are seeking independence. Speaking to the Somaliland media in Hargeisa Foreign Minister Dr. Mohamed Abdullahi Omar assured that Somaliland would not renounce its bid for independence. "We should maintain our dignity as an independent nation, deserving of international respect. Our sovereignty is non-negotiable," Dr Omar said. The issue of independence will likely cause an interesting debate over whether or not the TFG is willing to recognize Somaliland as sovereign nation. The TFG have kept an open mind approach to the conference but political analysts say the lack of a solid position on Somaliland's independence, could result in a failed conference. Somaliland pulled out of the talks last month when TFG President, Sharif Sheikh Ahmed appointed two ministers from Puntland state to attend the conference. After protest from the Somaliland government the Puntland ministers did not attend the conference in London. Somaliland and Puntland have hotly contested regions in northern Somalia which both lay claim to. http://allafrica.com/stories/201206201205.html

War Deg Deg ah: Shirkii London wararkiisii ugu dambeeyey xog rasmi ah Posted by Pi on June 20th, 2012 London (Pi) Shirkii maanta London uga bilowdey Dowlada KMG ah iyo Maamulka Soomaaliland ayaa xogta soo baxaysa sheegeysaa in Dowlada Ingiriiska oo ah Dowlad aad ugu xeel dheer wadahadalada siyaasadeed iyo dariiqada loo maro ay ku guuleysatay inay dhinacyada Soomaalida ku qanciso ajandayaal sahlan oo wadada u xaaraya inuu bilowdo isfahan, is aaminid iyo wada shaqayn dhexmarta dhinacyada Soomaalida oo kala qoqobnaa mudo ka badan 21 sano. Ajandayaasha maanta lasoo hordhigay labada dhinac ayaa ahaa kuwii looga hadlay shirkii London ee 23 feebaraayo, kuwasoo ay kamid ahaayeen Amaanka, Dhaqaalaha, ladagaalanka Burcad badeedka, ka hortaga Xagjirnimada, ilaalinta Xuquuqul insaanka iyo Ku dhaqanka habka Maamul wanaaga. Waxaa shirka maanta laga ilaaliyey waxkasta oo abuuri kara xasaasiyad, sida dib u midow iyo kala go’id labadaba. La soco wixii kasoo kordha shirka, adoo kala soconaya Puntlandi.com Puntlandi.com London

Saxiixeyaasha Roadmapka oo Nairobi shir uga socdo Magaala madaxda dalka Kenya ee Nairobi waxaa maanta ka furmay shir ay isugu yimaadeen saxiixeyaashii qorshaha Roadmapka ee Soomaaliya. Shirkan oo loo badinayo inuu noqon doono kan ugu danbeeya ee ay saxiixeyaashu yeeshaan kahor xiligan kala guurka ayaa waxaa la iskula soo qaaday arimo dhowr ah. Qodobadii maanta lagu gorfeeyeyna waxaa kamid ahaa in lasoo dhiso gudigii farsamada ee ka shaqeyn lahaa xulista golaha ansixinta Dastuurka iyo Baarlamaanka cusub. Sidoo kale waxaa layskula soo qaaday in la sameeyo guddi ka shaqeeya xalinta khilaafaad yary yar oo soo kala dhex galay odayaasha dhaqanka ee magaalada Muqdisho uu shirku uga socdo. Qodobada kale ee ay saxiixeyaashu maanta shirkoodu ku gorfeeyeen waxaa kamid ahaa sidii loo dar dar gelin lahaa howlaha socda maadaama xiliga Roadmapka ay mudo 60 maalmood ahi ka harsan yihiin. Si kastaba ha ahaatee asbuuca soo socda ayaa lagu wadaa inay si rasmi ah u bilowdaan howlaha la xiriira soo xulista golaha ansixinta Dastuurka cusub ee Soomaaliay. Horseed Media

^^ Not really he is doing an amazing job so good so far:D

^^ Siilaanyo wants to go down in history as the best President Somaliland ever had.

Gudoomiyaha Xisbiga Kulmiye Oo Fursad Ku Sheegay Wada Hadalka Somaliland iyo Somalia June 20th, 2012 Hargeysa (CNN)- Gudoomiyaha xisbiga talada haya ee Kulmiye Md Muuse Biixi Cabdi ayaa maanta ka hadalay dareenkiisa la xidhiidha wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somalia. Muuse Biixi Cabdi oo ka hadlaayey munaasibad lagu soo dhawaynaayo murashax u tartami doono doorashooyinka golaha deegaanka xisbiga Kulmiye dhexdiisa ayaa si weyn uga hadlay arrimaha wada hadalka Somaliland iyo Somalia. Gudoomiyaah Kulmiye ayaa sheegay in wada hadalku maanta ka duwan yahay sidii kii 1960-kii, isaga oo hoosta ka xariiqay in waagaas Somaliland Somalia oo dawlada ka raadisay midaw, maanta’se sida uu sheegay la kala yahay labada dawladood. Muuse Biixi oo arrintaas ka hadlayaana waxa uu yidhi:- “Waxaan maanta umada u sheegayaa in aanu Somalia kala nahay sidii markii gumaystihii ingiriisku naga kacay, iyagan Talyaanigu ka kacay, sidaas daraadeed wax iskaga kaayo jiraana ma jiraan maanta” Mar uu ka hadlaayey shirka ka dhacaya maanta Londonwaxa uu yidhi:- “Shirka lagu qabanaayo dalka Ingiriisku waxa uu horseed u yahay qorshe ay beesha caalamku ku rabto inay ku kala saaraan Somaliland iyo Somalia”

faarah22;843527 wrote: you're funny, seems you have swallowed their falsehoods hook, line and sinker. status quo is firmly as it was 1990. Somalidu wa isku af laakin isma fahmaan thats why the international community is mediating:D

Che -Guevara;843525 wrote: We share SOL Yes and sanbuso

Carafaat;843517 wrote: Wishfull thinking. We share air, we share water, we share people, we share land, we share businesses, we share jaad, we share Al Shabaab, we share the problems of piracy, we share a country. That's how it is. How do we share air and water or land or country We share border a language maybe trade in the future And security is important for both countries.

Wadani;843516 wrote: The international community is not gonna recognize Somaliland, so 're-union' is inevitable. Somaliland politicians need to tell the shacab the truth in order to brace them for the coming reality. Its like saying Palestine will never get a seat at the UN so they might just give up their quest for statehood every one has to fight for his place in this world. We have seen it several times in Africa nations fighting for their place in the world and all over the world the people of Somaliland made their choice Somaliland republic is what they want and no one can take their sovereignty away and their hard earned Independency.