^^ They started as a unionist movement how ever there were members who believed in an independent Somaliland but they were a minority.

'Liibaan';847179 wrote: Khaatumo State Of Somalia is going through the same evolution as other Regions of Somalia (Somaliland 1993, Puntland 2001, Galmudug, etc). If XaglaToosiye leaves SSC/Khaatumo, he will lose all the support and will be marginalized . XT will be like Tuur and Xaabsade. If Siilaanyo is really serious about the Peace, he should stop attacks on Buhoodle and other Khaatumo towns, he should remove all Somaliland militia from Khaatumoland, and talk to the current Leadership of KHaatumo State, traditional leaders and elders, and Khaatumo People in general. Shacabka Soomaaliya sida Woqooyi Galbeed Iyo Khaatumo waa dad walaalo oo wax badan wadaaga. Waxa loo bahanyahay waa nabad sidii loogu wada noolan lahaa. But Liibaan Haabsade never supported ssc or Khaatumo he was a former Somaliland parliament speaker than the interior Minister of Puntland than back to Somaliland as the information Minister. As for Abdiraxmaan tuur late Somaliland President aun he was a unionist and every one knew initially SNM started as a unionist rebel movement so he is not really to blame. He was the last SNM chairman and both him and caydid wanted to honor the pact they signed in 1989.

As for being a homogeneous group here is the catch because the Somalis are all the same they all do the same thing maanta hadaan tukaan kabaha ibiya furto mid ba iga ag furanayo garan mayo war adigu tukaan caanaha ibiyo furo. Nudawn Somalidu Mijjo iyo Madax ma ka la laha wa wada Amiir and they are all nomads marka laga reebo inta yar eeh beeraha fallata. The same as the Arabs but the problem is the Arabs beri bay heshiiyeen oo waxay ku heshiiyeen inanay heshiin. The same as the Somalida for example Somaliland iyo Somalia ayaa la yidhi way wada hadlayaan hada 2 weeg waxay ka hadlayeen uun in la wada hadlo:D

Nudawn;847178 wrote: Xaaji you're right Somalia didn't exist 100 years ago or 70 years for that matter. The Somali people Are a homogenous people. Where else in Africa besides the northern Arabs, can you travel thousands of miles across coastline, hinterlands, semi desert, jungles and plains, to find the same language spoken. Yea sure with a change of accent depending on where you are. Xaaji to answer you're question, the root of our problem is lack of resources. Not really there are enough resources fishery oil gas rivers bananas but even with all those resources it doesn't really matter Somalia needs start proper industry in the country invest in human resources that's the best way forward. Somalis always blame the west for their own shortcomings intay wadankoodi so burburiyeen bay yidhahaan gaalada ka danbeysey maya adiga istupidh ah dalkaagi so burburiyey gaaladuna way ka faiideysanayan uun nothing else.

So tribalism is not the issue there are no tribal wars in Somalia u need to bring people closer to each other u need to make sure they trust each other again they need to have an external enemy. I always found it strange why the former Siad bare government tried to abolish tribalism back in the days there was no need really. Because of that later the regime was seen as one tribe against the rest and as a result you had a flood of S S S factions. Give tribes a place in society Somalia is doing that now the 4.5 tribal system for example its excellent.

Mario wabu xanaaqay marki laga badiyey what a bad loser lol.

Tribalism or tribes is not the issue Somalis lived like this for centuries they were running around with spears fighting for grazing land and new territory well at-least the nomads the majority of the Somalis. There was no statehood prior 1884 before Italians French and the brits colonized the Somalis. There were small little tribal kingdoms in essence modern Somali statehood was created out of an experiment and it lasted only for 31 years. You should ask you're self why did it only last for 31 years? Oday ba beri yidhi dawladnimada Somali waxa weye wa anago idhaha aw xujaalow xoolaheena oo dhan so ururi geedka hoostisa ma arkaysa isugu wada keen. Dabeedna xoolaheena oo dhan waxaynu u dhiibayna cabdi Farax oo ino dhaqayaa. Somalidi hore waxay odhan lahayeen war wu xujoobay geedka laftisa ku del dela sideen xoolaheena ugu amina. is amin la'aada is one issue Somalis don't trust each other.

Somaliland: International community not Important in Somaliland’s recognition Sunday, 01 July 2012 18:28 Amb David Shinn"I think the international community sees the issue of Somaliland's sovereignty as an issue to be decided by all Somalis" -Amb Shinn By: Yusuf M Hasan WASHINGTON (Horn) – The talks between Somaliland and Somalia have been termed as a positive step towards establishing peace in the Horn Region. This was told to Hornnewspaper correspondent Mahmoud Ali Walaleye by Ambassador David Shinn during an exclusive interview. Amb Shinn who spoke to Mahmoud before Presidents Silanyo and Sharif met in Dubai informed that the international community is not that important in Somaliland's quest for recognition, Said he, "Even if a few countries recognized the independence of Somaliland, the government of Somaliland needs to convince a majority of Somalis that independence is the best way to go". Read below the full verbatim excerpts of the interview How do you see the wording of the final communique of the Chevening House Declaration as concerns Somaliland? I see the declaration primarily as a commitment to continue discussions and I believe that is a positive development. It's mentioned that the two presidents will meet to review progress as soon as possible. Does that sound like the signing of agreements? No, I don't believe the discussions have reached the stage of signing agreements. They have only agreed to continue talks and find ways to cooperate in specific areas such as fighting terrorism, extremism, crime, piracy, illegal fishing and toxic waste dumping. What do you think the international community will do if both sides disagree on Somaliland's sovereignty? I think the international community sees the issue of Somaliland's sovereignty as an issue to be decided by all Somalis. The position of the international community is much less important than that of Somalis themselves. Even if a few countries recognized the independence of Somaliland, the government of Somaliland needs to convince a majority of Somalis that independence is the best way to go. Article 4 of the communique called on the international community to continue to facilitate the talks, including providing the two sides with external experts on legal, economic and security matters. What do you think is the meaning of this article? A. I see it as nothing more than a willingness to accept outside expertise IF IT IS REQUESTED BY THE SOMALI PARTIES. In the past, there has been too much outside engagement and advice from non-Somali parties. It is time for Somalis to resolve these issues in their own way and only request outside assistance when they are convinced it will contribute to a solution. What do you think will come out of these talks and how long will it take for them to achieve a result? A. There are many issues to resolve and the talks, if they eventually are successful, will take many months. The 1993 Borama Conference took five months and it constituted continuous contact. I expect these talks will take considerably longer. First, the successor government in Mogadishu must show the world that it has wide backing in Somalia and that it is a viable alternative to al-Shabaab. Somaliland has established a government that works. Now Somalia must do the same thing. At that point, I would be hopeful that both Somalia and Somaliland would significantly narrow their differences. In the meantime, it is important for both sides to continue the dialogue. On the last paragraph of agreement reads both parties "Reiterated their support for ending the Transition in Somalia." given the wording, how do you see on political point of view, reason supported both sides, do that sound, as if Somaliland thrown inside Somalia's problems? This statement can be read in a variety of ways, but I think it is saying that both the TFG and Somaliland agree that the transition is over in August and both sides support moving forward with the next step in Somalia. I don't believe that it commits Somaliland to any particular outcome in Somalia just that it supports the process that is underway. Amb David H Shinn who is an expert on Horn Africa issues is currently an adjunct professor of international affairs at The George Washington University, he received his B.A., M.A., and Ph.D. from GW, is a former U.S. ambassador to Ethiopia (1996-99) and to Burkina Faso (1987-90).

Carafaat;847029 wrote: Casaan, cadaan iyo cagaar. calankiina wee so xirteen. what more do you guys want? Waka carafaadow awoow wala isu so dhawaaday:D

Welcome home son they call me the Xaaji and i will tell you here on sol tribalism is not something we welcome we do not discuss tribes you are not even allowed to call a clan by its name. So welcome to SOL.

Buhoodle region is pretty peaceful now and and days other than some clans attacking each other around north sool just recently gowsaweyne but that's about it. As for Politicians well lets just say let them play out it out let these politicians play it out.

Kenya church attacks 'kill 15' in Garissa Kevin Mwachiro reports from Nairobi: ''People question the security in and around Garissa'' Continue reading the main story Related Stories Fifteen people have been killed in attacks on churches in the Kenyan town of Garissa near Somalia, say the Kenyan Red Cross and a medical official. Regional deputy police chief Philip Ndolo said balaclava-clad "goons" attacked the town's Catholic church and the African Inland Church (AIC). A combination of grenades and gunfire was used, police said. Kenya's border region has been tense since it sent troops into Somalia to pursue al-Shabab Islamic militants. Kenya said the operations, launched last October, were designed to bring an end to kidnappings on Kenyan soil and other violence which it blamed on al-Shabab. But since then, al-Shabab has been blamed for a further string of grenade and bomb blasts across Kenya - though it has never admitted to carrying out any such attack on Kenyan territory. No group has yet said it carried out these latest attacks, but the finger of blame will once again undoubtedly be pointed at al-Shabab or sympathisers, says the BBC's Kevin Mwachiro in Nairobi. "We condemn this act in the strongest terms possible," Mr Ndolo said. The Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims also condemned Sunday's church attacks, saying that "all places of worship must be respected", reported the AFP news agency. 'Terrible scene' Sunday's attacks took place during morning sermons at the churches in the garrison town. The Provincial Medical Officer for North Eastern Province in Kenya, Mahamad Abey Shekh, said 15 people had been killed. About 40 were thought to be wounded, several in serious condition. The first and most serious attack took place at the AIC, police told our correspondent. Gunmen shot two policemen outside one of the churches, and grenades were then thrown inside. As the panicked congregation rushed to escape, gunmen fired on them, police said. At least 10 people died. In the second - apparently co-ordinated - attack at a Catholic church, two grenades were thrown inside the church. One failed to go off, but police say three people were injured by the other one. Police said up to seven gunmen were involved in the attacks, but none had been apprehended. Witnesses told AFP that bodies lay scattered in the blood-spattered churches as scores of wounded were rushed to hospital. "It is a terrible scene, you can see bodies lying in the churches," regional police chief Leo Nyongesa told the agency. "You can imagine for such a small town how the police and medical services have been stretched trying to deal with this," Mr Ndolo told Reuters news agency. Garissa is the capital of North Eastern province, about 140km (90 miles) from the Somali border. It is close to the Dadaab refugee camp, where gunmen kidnapped four aid workers and killed a driver on Friday in an attack Mr Ndolo said he suspected al-Shabab sympathisers of carrying out. These two incidents have not painted a good picture of the efficacy of Kenyan security forces, our correspondent says. Troops are supposed to have secured the Kenya-Somali border and frontier towns, but this does not seem to be happening, he adds.

17 dead, 50 injured in twin Garissa church attacks Mr Dennis Nzioki who was among the victims attacked in a church waits to be examined at the Garissa Provincial General Hospital on July 1, 2012. Photo/ISSA HUSSEIN By NATION TEAM Posted Sunday, July 1 2012 at 10:55 wo police officers are among 17 people killed in two simultaneous attacks in Garissa when masked gunmen sprayed bullets and hurled grenades at Catholic's Central Cathedral and AIC churches, Kenya Red Cross say. However, Police Spokesman Eric Kiraithe said 14 people were killed during the attacks. "12 worshipers including nine women were killed. Two police officers on patrol around the AIC church were also killed in the attack," he said. According to North Eastern Deputy PPO, Philip Ndolo, the gunmen attacked and killed two police officers on duty and took their firearms before raiding the churches. He said AIC church suffered more casualties as it accounts for most deaths and at least 50 injured persons resulting from gunshot wounds. Catholic's Central Cathedral had three casualties from a grenade attack. The dead include two police officers, four men, nine women and two children. Meanwhile, seven people have been airlifted to Nairobi for specialised treatment. Three people were airlifted by Amref Flying Doctors, two by the Kenya Army and two more by the Intensive Care Air Ambulance. All patients were taken to Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH). Kenya Police Statement Kenya Red Cross, the Kenya Defence Forces, St John Ambulance had all summoned their medical personnel in the region to assist in the emergency treatment. An eye witness who was attending a service at AIC church, Mr Dennis Nzioki said they heard noises from the rooftop of falling objects. "We heard something like stones being thrown on top of the roof, then, we realised that we were being shot at," he said. Paul Mwalali, 52, who was at the AIC church recounted similar event. “I had a front row seat in the church. I heard something fall on the roof. Then there was a huge explosion. I dived on the ground and went under the seat. Then there was shooting and people were screaming all over. When the shooting stopped, I felt a sharp pain on my leg.” Another eye witness Felix Kimanzi said the masked gunmen wearing blue uniforms sprayed bullets at the congregation of the AIC church resulting in the deaths and the high number of casualties. He also said two grenades were hurled but only one exploded. "I was 100 metres away from the church when I saw two gunmen at the entrance spray bullets at the congregation. I hid from their sight," he said. "They were joined by two more gunmen in blue uniforms who hurled grenades and they all fled on foot," he added. The casualties have been admitted at Garissa Provincial General Hospital.

Fursadaha Nabadda Iyo Caqabadaha Adkaysiga u baahan! Faallo Cumar M. Faarax July 1st, 2012 Madaxweynaha Somaliland Md. Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) oo ay weheliyeen Wasiirka wasaarada Madaxtooyada Md. Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan iyo Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga tallada haya ee KULMIYE Md. Muuse Biixi Cabdi, ayaa Sabtidii todobaadkan Huteelka weftiga madaxweynuhu degan yahay ee MINA-SALAAMA HOTEL magaaladda Dubai kula kulmay Guddoomiyaha ururkii Somaliland diidka ahaa ee SSC Mr. Saleebaan Ciise Axmed Kaar (Xaglatoosiye). Kulankaas oo ay ku faaqideen sidii ay uga wada shaqayn lahaayeen nabad-gelyada iyo xasilinta gobolada Sool iyo Buuhoodle. Kulankan waxa uu ahaa mid qorshaysnaa oo muddaba laga shaqaynayay oo qeyb ka ah in dedaaladda xukuumadda Somaliland ay ku doonayso inay nabad gelyo ku kasbato ashkhaasta iyo kooxaha nabad diidka ah ee ka soo jeeda gobolada Sool iyo Buuhoodle. Qasdiga xukuumadda uu Hoggaamiyo Madaxweyne Siilaanyo ay ka leedahay nabadeynta iyo gogoshada nabadda ee uu iclaamiyay bilowgii bishii August 2010, dhawr maalmood ka dib markii uu la wareegay xilka madaxtinimaddu waxa uu daaran yahay sidii deegaamadaasi oo xaga horumarka iyo kaabeyaasha dhaqaalaha ka hooseeya gobolada kale ee dalka looga fulin ahaa mashaariic waaweyn oo lagu horumarinayo adeegyada ijtimaaciga ah ee bulshadda daruuriga u ah. Waxa xukuumadda Somaliland-na la gudboon inay taageero dhinac walba leh la garab istaagto siyaasigan si ay uga saacido inuu ummaddiisa u soo jiido. Ahmiyaddii Kulankan Kulankan madaxweynaha Somaliland la yeeshay Guddoomiyaha Ururka SSC Saleebaan Xaglo-toosiye, waxa uu furre u noqon karaa jidka loo marayo in wada hadal lagu dhameeyo tabashooyinka beelaha Sool iyo Buuhoodle. Waxaana haddii uu si ficil ah u dhaqan geliyo Hoggaamiyaha SSC qodobadii ay ka wada hadleen Hoggaamiyaha dalka ay suurto-gal ka dhigaysaa in Somaliland ay wax ka bedesho jawigii hore oo ay galaan gal u yeelato in xubno kale oo ka mid ah kooxaha nabad diidka ahi ay ku soo hirtaan inay qoriga dhigaan oo ay ka qeyb galaan dedaalada nabadda. Sidoo kale, waxa uu Saleebaan Xaglo-toosiye oo ah siyaasi qurbo joog ah, waxa uu nabadda ku qancin karaa qeybo badan oo ka mid ah qurbo-jooga colaada iyo dagaaladda ku bixiya dhaqaalaha adag ee lagu mustaqbal tirayo dhalinyaradda iyo ubaxa gobolada ay ka soo jeedaan. Kuwaasi oo ah dadka tacab khasaarka u weyni ku dhacay. Fursadaha Iyo Caqabadaha ka hor imana kara Saleebaan Xaglo-toose Hoggaamiyaha SSC oo ah nin dhalinyaro ah waxa la gudboon inuu u babac-dhigo, adkaysina u yeesho caaridad xoog leh iyo mixnad aan yarayn oo ay dedaaladiisa nabadda iyo aragtidiisa togan ay kala hor iman karaan kooxda khaatumo seeg ee Cali Khaliif Galaydh uu samaystay iyo makasta la hubeeyay ee saarka qabyaaladda looga faa’iidaysanayo xoogooda dabka lagu gurayo. Waxa uu u baahan yahay inuu juhdi badan geliyo oo uu la yimaado istaatajiyad uu ku qancin karo maxasta iyo dhengagaalaha. Waa inuu kaashadaa aqoon-yahanadda nabadda u bohol yoobay iyo waxgaradka deegaamadiisa uu door bidayo inay kaalin ka qaadan karaan tubta nabadda. Haddii uu ka jibo keeno 50% inuu hanto bulshada deegaankaasi waxa uu noqon doonaa xidig weyn oo lagu talo taashka nabadda. Waxaanu noqon doonaa siyaasi meeqaam sare ku yeesha siyaasadda Somaliland. 24-kii saacadood ee la soo dhaafay waxa kooxaha durbaanka colaada u googa’ay ay mareegaha kooxda Khaatumo ay Saleebaan Xaglo-toosiye ka qorayeen maqaallo aflagaado ah oo ay ku naqdiyayeen kulankii uu la yeeshay Madaxweynaha Somaliland. Si kastaba arrintu ha ahaatee waxaan Hoggaamiyaha SSC horyaala inuu ku adkaysto dariiqa nabadda oo uu ahmiyad weyn siiyo sidii bulshadiisa uu u halgamayay isagoo nolol wanaagsan ku haystay dalka Maraykanka uu gaadhsiiyo himilooyinka nabadda. Waxaanan qormaddan ku soo khatimayaa maah-maahda Soomaaliyeed ee tidhaahda “RAGANIMADDU WAXAY KU JIRTAA MEEL CIDHIIDHYOON.”

^^ He should know that the real talks are behind the scenes and not on TViga qaranka Somaliland:D

According to Lasanod.com they are going together to hargeysa. http://www.lasanod.com/details.php?num=7689

War Deg Deg AH:-Waa Maxay Kulamada Hoose Ee Xaglatoosiye Iyo Siilanyo Ku Dhexmaraya Hotelka Uu Ka Degan Yahay Siilaanyo Dubai Ee Uu Ku Qaabilay Saleeban Ciise Axmed Kaar(Warbixin+Sawiro) Buuhoodle(Allssc)Siilaanyo waxa uu maanta ku qaabiley Qasriga uu degan yahay ee MINA-SALAAMA HOTEL ee magaaladda Dubia, Saleebaan Ciise Axmed Kaar (Xaglatoosiye), Oo ay isla qaateen inay ka wada shaqeeyaan Xasilooni la’aanta gobolada Sool Sanaag iyo Cayn Buuhoodle. Sidaasi waxa lagu sheegay war-saxaafadeed uu caawa magaalada Dubia ka soo saaray Afhayeenka Madaxtooyada Maamulka Siilaanyo Cabdilaahi Maxamed Daahir (Cukuse) Oo ka mid ah weftiga madaxweynaha ee ku sugan dalka Imaaraadka carabta, waxaanu war-saxaafadeedkaasi u dhignaa sidan:- “Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyada Somaliland, Mudane, Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) Waxa uu maanta ku qaabiley Qasriga uu degan yahay ee MINA-SALAAMA HOTEL, Saleebaan Ciise Axmed Kaar (Xaglatoosiye). Siilaanyo iyo Xaglotoosiye waxay ka wada hadleen sida ay deegaanada Buuhoodle iyo qaybo ka mida Sool ay u hanan karaan Maamulka Somaliland. Ugu danbayn waxa uu Siilaanyo balan qaaday inuu dhiniciisa soo dhawaynayo dedaalka lagu soo Af-jarayo khilaafka jira oo dhan, wuxuuna Xaglatoosiye kula dar-daarmay inuu si dhakhso ah uga hawl-galo Cabudhinta Maamulka Siilanyo ku hayo gobolada SSC kala qayb qaato Xaglotoosiye. Hadaba waxaan filaynaa in badan oo ka mida Jaaliyada reer Khaatumo State Of Somalia oo magac iyo sumcad ba siin jirtey Saleebaan Ciise Axmed Kaar, Dalka Gudahiisa Gobolada SSC inay halkaasi kalsoonida kala noqondoonaan !!!!!!!!!

Good girl oday ma leedahay tallow?

^^ Lets just say Sh sharif will do anything to come back as President:D

Only wadani one day in the year u need to be a proper wadani wa inad ciidadada jeclaatid wa inay ka dhab noqoto wadanimadu.

'Liibaan';846922 wrote: In the past, Governor Siilaanyo and his Somaliland faction rejected to meet President Sheikh Shariif and the former SSC/Khaatumo Leader XaglaToosiye . Right now, it seems Siilaanyo is willing to meet with other leaders from Somalia like Sh Shariif and Xaglatoosiye. Good for Somalia and KHaatumo State. Yes its good that Sh sharif and President Siilaanyo start talking, but the difference is the international community called for the talks between Somaliland and Somalia. But this is a whole different issue its good that ssc leader is talking to president Siilaanyo wa ariin fiican oo so korordhay.

Somaliland: President Silanyo Resolves Buhodle Conflict Saturday, 30 June 2012 21:22 Silanyo & Hagaltosie in a handshake of peace DUBAI (Somalilandsun) – The Sool Sanaag Cayn (Ain)-SSC militia has agreed to lay down arms and enter into talks with the government. This outcome came after a meeting between the president H.E Ahmed Mahmoud Silanyo and SSC leader Suleiman Isse Ahmed Kara "Hagaltosie" at MINA-SALAAMA HOTEL in Dubai where the president hosted the militia leader A press statement released by the presidential spokesperson Mr. Abdilahi Ukuse informed that the meeting agreed on the need to end continuous clashes in Buhodle district and other areas of Sool region thus avail citizens the benefit of public services. While urging for peaceful resolution to grievances of the Buhodle residents and those from other parts of Sool region, the president said, "Continue armed clashes only exacerbate the suffering of residents who are denied development projects that would uplift their livelihoods" President Silanyo who stressed on the SSC leader the importance of expedited end to hostilities, promised his person and full support as well as that of the government and people of Somaliland thus normalize the turbulent eastern region of the country. On his part the SSC leader said that his acquiescence with the president on the need for immediate end to hostilities especially in his hometown of Buhodle, emanated from a desire to see his clansmen share developments with the rest of their brothers and sisters in Somalilanders. Hagaltosie promised that on return to Buhodle he will immediately embark on disbanding his militia and handing over the assortment of weaponry at his disposal to the government, Said he, "After disbanding the militia I will facilitate for talks with the government as agreed with the President. The success in ending hostilities in Buhodle and the wider sool region is a major achievement by president Silanyo coming in the heels of the just concluded diplomatic relationship agreement with President Sheikh Sharif of Somalia. At the same time the end to hostilities in the area will not only afford the residents participate and benefit from national development projects but will negate the oft disturbing issue of unsecured borders.

How do you know its distorted history you didn't even read the book:D Wa iska caadi haday sida tahay Abwaan na buug haka qoro Amiir godane iyo ibrahim Afghani:D