Liibaan i am not talking about the 1960 constitution i am talking about the newly drafted constitution and their newly adopted articles. The 1960 constitution was not approved by the Majority people of Somaliland. How ever we are not talking about Somaliland Liibaan u seem to have no problems with the Kenyan Somalia border the Anglo Italian border. These boundaries are supported by Somalia's govt and by the newly adopted constitution. The current government of Somalia doesn't claim the Somali region of Ethiopia as a disputed area. They consider it part and parcel of Ethiopia.

Che -Guevara;846494 wrote: Carafaat... Circumstances have changed but the underlying message is the same as far as Somali proper is concerned. To think that southerners despite their own mess would agree to secession is naive or that they will be willing to treat Somaliland in par with Somali Republic and hence share power equally if it comes down to that. I think Oodweyne is right in sounding the alarm but from my perspective in regards to Mogadishu, this doesn't serve Somalia well. It depends on their politicians not the masses in Somalia and it depends how these talks go even-though i believe Somaliland Somalia case is the most easiest to solve. Since Koonfurians will not lose anything significant with a full fledged independent Somaliland. But than again its to early to predict how it will go since it just started.

'Liibaan';846487 wrote: Alhamdulilaah, The fake border between the KHaatumo and Puntland was abolished in 1960. The other fake border between KHaatumo and Western Somalia will abolished as well soon. Western Somalia will be liberated Insha Allah. But the TFG you support fully acknowledges the Anglo Italian border and the Italian Abyssinian border is both supported in the new constitution of Somalia.So do you consider the Somalia constitution also fake?

'Liibaan';846473 wrote: Which colonial Somaliland you talking about? French Somaliland, British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland, NFD Somaliland, Western Somaliland. British Somaliland Colony ceased to exist on June 26, 1960. And Italian Somaliland Colony ceased to exist July 01, 1960. KHaatumo People were always against British Somaliland Colonial Maps, KHaatumo people never agreed to be part of Somaliland's colonial map. Warlord Siilaanyo as the leader of snm/Somaliland clan faction is clan representative. TFG already recognized KHaatumo State of Somalia. Sheikh Shariif said he will mediate to solve the conflict between KHaatumo and snm/Somaliland. Also, Sh Shariif said he is willing to mediate between KHaatumo State and Puntland. Liibaan i never hear you speak about the Anglo Abyssinian Border or the Anglo Italian border Kenyan Somali border? What is you're opinion on those borders?

^^ Waryaa let Xiin dream nina hurdadisa macaan laga ma jiidho:D

^^ Every one in Sl knew sooner or later the two sides would start talking so after 21 years it happened but the talks are just a beginning and we are moving forward.There is also lots of talking behind scenes as where the next talks will be held.

^^ No

I agree the garaad clan is well represented but carafaat you need to understand the clan structure of the Garaad clan , Naxar nugaleed is not represented he is from awr boogays.Dr Caydiid is from Buhoodle, and Baashe Maxammad cade is from Laascaanood. He is from another subclan wax fahan dee.

Its a good start.

Heesta wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somalia

15 may this is old news?

Aaaliyaah wali wax lugu guuleystey ama laga guuleystey wali manu arkin did you read afarta qodob:D

^^ You live in fairy-tale my dear friend Carafaat Any way Djibouti independence is 27 June 1977

Somali and Somaliland presidents meet in Dubai The presidents of Somalia and Somaliland have held their first formal talks since Somaliland broke away more than two decades ago. The meeting, in Dubai, followed talks in Britain where their representatives discussed ways of clarifying their relationship. The two men, Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed and Ahmed Silanyo, said steps have been taken to continue the dialogue. Mogadishu wants Somaliland to be part of a single Somali state. But the northern territory, which broke away in 1991, wants to be a separate country and is awaiting international recognition. Since declaring independence, Somaliland has enjoyed relative peace in contrast to the rest of Somalia, which has been plagued by conflict. The first formal direct contact in 21 years between the authorities in southern Somalia, formerly governed by Italy, and the Somaliland administration, which used to be a British colony, happened on 21 June near London. Britain, Norway and the European Union have said they want the two sides to negotiate a settlement. Somaliland agreed to enter into the talks during a February meeting in London, when 40 global leaders met to tackle piracy, terrorism and political instability in Somalia. But its administration says its priority is to remain separate from the rest of Somalia - and wants Mogadishu to recognise its independence. Somaliland unilaterally declared independence after the overthrow of Siad Barre - who led Somalia's last functioning national government It is relatively stable and holds regular elections which have seen peaceful transfers of power - unlike the rest of the country, which has been racked by continued conflict ever since. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18635411

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Carafaat remember Cali Mahdi when he heard Somaliland gooni isutaag bay ku dhawaaqeen 1991, what did he say afkooday ka yidhaheen remember Cabdiqasim in 2000 saying that he is the President of Somaliland and Somalia when he uttered there is no such thing as Somaliland,when he didn't even control one block of Mogadishu maxay reer SL ugu jawaabeen iska hadlow ina igare. Remember Cabdulahi Yusuf saying walalahyo Duriyada reer Sheikh with a deep voice again he didn't mention Somaliland afka laga dhowrayey hada cunaha loo sii daayey:D Carafaat i remember in the 90s when discussing politics with Koonfurians they used to say maxaad nooga tagaysan why u tagaysan Siad bare wu dhintay after discussing for an hour. Wuxu ku so dhameyaa mayaa cidi ma go' i karto. imika maxay yidhahaan oo maxay ku doodaan okay iska go' aa laakin reer laascaanood iyo reer Laasqoray no daaya ala maxa la so dabcay:D

Carafaat;846314 wrote: Showqi,in the business world you have mergers(fusie) and acquisitions(overname). The diffrence is that in a merger you have two parties joining eachother, in takeover there is a dominant party taking over a smaller party. Let's say 1960 was a takeover and now we are talking about a merger. Afcourse you have also hostile takeovers, that is more like the coupe of 1969. P.S. The business world doesn't know any strategy for seperation, secession or a unit going it alone. War u kaadi Showqi wax badan bu ogalyahay ha eryin he is only against Borama and laasqoray and laascaanood separating the rest of the country wu ogalyahay. Now in my opinion i say lets ask the entire peoples of Somaliland what they wish i am for a UN supervised referendum on independence than we know who wants what problem solved.

Showqi;846310 wrote: Reer Somaliland hadii ay doonayaan in walaalahood Somali ku soo darsamaan waa in la soo dhoweeyaa oo aan wax shuruud ah lagu xirin. Laakiin hadii ay ku adkeystaan Soomaalia waan ka go aynaa dee waa in go aankooda la ixtramaa oo 3dooda magaalo loo daayaa. Laakiin waa in Khaatumo iyo Awdal land laga saraa ciidamada Somaliland, waayo Reer Khaatumo iyo Reer Awdalland doonayaan in ay ka mid noqdaan dowlada Somalia ee Muqdisho laga xukuma. Showqi wabu fiicanyahay hadu xita ogalyahay in wax Go'aan intakale na walaga heshiin kara Showqi wada hadalada halugu so daro Somaliland iyo Somalia:D

Indeed its a historic day this occurred 52 years ago in April The two prime Ministers of Somaliland and Somalia meeting in Mogadishu Muhammad haji ibrahim cigaal leading the Somaliland delegation with Cabdilahi Ciise the Prime Minister of Somalia. 52 years later the President of Somaliland Ahmed Siilaanyo and the President of Somalia Sh Sharif meeting in the united Arab emirates. Only the purpose this time is different in 2012

Picture of the day Hussein Arab ciise Somalia's TFG defense Minister And President Ahmed Siilaanyo and President Sheikh Sharif and Former President Daahir rayaale Kahin and Somalilands Chief of Cabinet Xirsi Xaaji Cali.

Historic agreement paves way for end to Somali bloodshed DUBAI // An historic meeting between the presidents of Somalia and Somaliland in Dubai today may be the first step towards ending years of bloodshed there. The meeting, facilitated by the UAE, was the first in 21 years. Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, the president of Somalia's transitional federal government, and Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo, the president of the Republic of Somaliland, signed a declaration that paves the way for future talks and cooperation between the nations. "This is a breakthrough and we are happy that our brothers in the north want to speak and negotiate," said Mr Ahmed. "As you know, all Somalis come from the same ethnic background, speak the same language and practice the same religion. So we are looking for solutions that satisfy all the segments of Somalia. Such negotiations need time and we hope it will succeed." Mr Silanyo, Somaliland's president, voiced similar optimism. "This will help for peace in the region as a whole, it will help in the fight against piracy and terrorism," he said. Somaliland, which seceded from Somalia in 1991, has never been recognised by the international community. Mr Silanyo said he hoped the Dubai meeting would be the first step toward such recognition. "We do hope it will contribute to us being recognised by the international community as a separate entity. We want to work together and live together - each country on its own," said Mr Silanyo. The UAE foreign policy stance - that regionally initiated dialogue helps resolve conflict - was highlighted in the meeting of the presidents today. The meeting took place on the sidelines of a two-day global counter-piracy convention in Dubai. "What we see today is one people, who communicated and negotiated for the benefit of their people," said Anwar Mohammad Gargash, the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs. "The UAE is very aware that you cannot overcome many years of pain overnight, therefore we are witnessing a historic moment where the two presidents meet andsign this agreement to negotiations." The one-page declaration signed by both presidents is titled The Dubai Statement. "Both parties agreed to the continuation of this dialogue and agreed to allow the two committees, formed by the presidents, to continue the talks to clarify the relationship between the two sides," the statement read. The meeting today formally endorses initial talks between ministers on both sides last week in London. Somalia has functioned without a strong central administration since the ouster of the dictator Siad Barre in 1991. The collapse of his dictatorship led to civil war and inter-clan conflict, which split the country into the regions of Somalia, Somaliland, Puntland and Galmudug. Somaliland, the northwestern region of Somalia, declared independence in 1991 and - despite a lack of recognition by the international community - has its own democratically elected government. With limited economic opportunities at home, piracy became a lucrative business. Somalis say the root of piracy was in the early 1990s when local fishermen fought with foreign trawlers involved in illegal fishing and dumping toxic waste off its coast. Source: The National

Shiikh Shariif Oo Bulshada Somaliyeed Ka Dhuuntay Iyo Siilaanyo Oo Beeshiisa Sii Kaxaystay (Daawo Kulankii Imaradka Carabta Ee Shariif Iyo Jabhada SNM) Dubai(Allssc): Waxaa umada Somaliyeed ay fajac ku noqotay kadib markii ay TV caalamka ka daawadeen Madaxweyne Shiikh Shariif oo ka dhuuntay Golihiisa Wasiirada, Barlamanka, siyaasiyiinta, Aqoonyahanada ,Madax Dhaqameedka, Ururada Bulshada, isaga oo shakhsi ahna hor fadhiistay Jabhda SNM oo ah Jabhad Beeleed umada somaliyeed ku haya dhibaato baaxad weyn, had iyo jeerna huriya colaada ka holcaysa daafaha Dalka Somalia. Siilaanyo oo hogaaminayay Jabhad Beeleedka SNM ayaa isagu soo kaxaystay Beeshisia sidoo kalana umada somaliyeed ugu soo dhex khalday Dahir Riyaale oo isaga hore beel ahaan looga tuuray hogaanka Jabahda SNM ee uu hada hayo Siilaanyo. Waxa umadu is waydiinaynaa waxa uu noqon doono kulanka dhinaca kaliya ah ee Jabahda SNM hareeraha kaga istaagtay Shiikh Shariif. Madaxweyne Shiikh Shariif oo loolan adag ugu jiray inuu mar labaad dib ugu guulaysto kursiga Madaxweyne ee Dalka Somalia ayaa aad u wiiqantay rajadiisa kadib markii ay lasoo daristay Fadeexado ka dhan ah duminta Qaranka Somaliyeed, midaas oo sababaysa inuu wareega koobaad ee Dorashada ku hadho isaga oo aan cod badan ka helin umada Somaliyeed ee Jecel Midnimada Somalia. Wixii warar ah ee kasoo kordha Kulankan kala soco Warbaahinta Codka Shacabka SSC