Tallaabo;868720 wrote: Quebec had a referendum to separate from Canada and the international community was willing to accept them. Scotland will hold a referendum in about two years to decide whether they still want to be part of the UK or be independent and again the international community will accept whichever decision the Scots make. So Mr Abtigiis, what makes you think the international community will act any differently when it comes to the break up of a poor African country? The international community bows to the demands of only strong countries not an entity on a life support system in an intensive care unit. if it was Ethiopia a Christian ally of the west i could've understand it, they will do everything to keep that country intact as one nation despite ethnic differences and religious differences. Or Turkey a western ally and regional power in the middle east a NATO member they will do everything to keep the kurds part of turkey. But a country as Somalia which is more a problem to the west than an ally The Arab league headed by Egypt is more interested to keep Somaliland and Somalia as one country the west is very indifferent and other African states are either pro or indifferent. Thats why the Europeans and Americans came up with idea well you guys should clarify ur relations and we will mediate between Somaliland and Somalia as long as it takes.

Wadani;868727 wrote: Now u brought my other adeer lool. Xaaji Abdi Waraabe's style is the distinct Somali style i was talking about, Masha'Allah, bal haybada ka muuqata eega. But Faisal cali likes to wear it different but its not a Somali style the sudanese wear it like that to some of them and the Eritrean Muslims.

The first picture are the tribal chiefs from hargeysa The Second picture are the tribal chiefs from berbera The 3rd pictures are Sheikhs and Mullahs one is the son of Sheikh madar his name is Sheikh Yusuf the one with the big beard This was 1958 they all dead now Cidi kama noola.

Wadani;868722 wrote: Xaaji, i know we wore/wear similar clothes. But the way we wrap our cimaamad is distinctly Somali, as you can see in the pics u posted. Only one oday is wearing it in the Saudi style. There are Somalis who wear the Cimamaad like the Arabs and there are others who wear it in a different style for instance like xaaji Cabdi waraabe

^^ They look pretty Somali to me but the Arab cultural clothing existed for a long time for almost 100 years if not more in Somaliland and Somalia.

Wadani;868717 wrote: Adeerkay Faysal tolow ma sacuudi buu ismooday? Inuu ka fiicanyahay oo Soomaali yahay miyuuna ogayn? Arab cultural imperialism is slowly turning Somaliland/Somalia into North Sudan. We always wore that for decades This was hargeysa 1958

Carafaat;868704 wrote: How about Boqor Raabi, Suldaan Mahamed Suldaan Abdiqadir mediating on behalf of Dhirta in Somalia. naga daya dee. Boqor raabi is not a legitimate king wa nin iskis isku magaacabay And Suldaan Maxammad attended several conferences but never mediated between clans in Somalia. He went to Jigjiga but that because of his own clan not because of a clan in Somalia.

Carafaat;868697 wrote: Somali elders know no boundries. They have mediated so many times in conflicts around the Somali penisula. Just remember the mediating role they had in the war between Cadde Muuse and Abdullahi Yusuf. just an example. That was Boqor Buurmadow Boqor buur madow cannot be really trusted.

They cant even help Somalia even if they wanted Somalia's political culture and traditions is different than Somalilands. So even if they wanted to help it wouldn't work. You cant use Somaliland solutions for Somalia you need to have a Somalia solution for Somalia's problems.

I like the new president.

Well lets keep this topic in the archives in a few years time we can know for sure if Abtigiis predictions are true or not i think they are not since Somalilanders majority of them are united in their quest for statehood. Also how do you think in a few years time the various clan states in Somalia will be unfolding since Somalia is officially now known as a federal republic. Somalia in the next coming years will be busy building federal states, since the only federal state we have right now is Puntland and the rest of the country is either under Alshabaab or is under the authority of the aswj allied to Amisom and the Somali govt troops.

Oromos

Saalax;868666 wrote: Ali Dinbil is a descendant of the royal family of Hashemite, he might have a point. :D

Somalia;868660 wrote: The article has one thing right, we don't look alike, secessionists look like Oromos. Well maybe than the article is correct on something Somalia if Somalis don't look a like isn't it better than to be divided:D

Somalia;868647 wrote: Can't get more pathetic than this, seriously, 21 years and this is something to brag about? God help you. Can you tell us what you have achieved the past 21 years don't tell me you tried drilling oil and found water:D

The defeated lot always end up being defeated. The cv of the defeated lot the clanish WSLF who were defeated by the Ethnic Somalilanders in Galbeed in the early 80s The siad bare government was defeated by Somalilanders and the armed faction in Somalia called USC The Ethiopian forces and Cabdilahi Yusuf were defeated in 2009 Politically and Military definitely borrowed muscles The defeated lot are now riding on top of Kikuyo tanks in the hope to liberate villages in the lower juba:D Alaylahee wa Xiiniyo la so amaahday:D

And the dreams of some continues after almost 22 years. It went from Somaliland doesn't exist we will not talk to Somaliland never ever To Somaliland is a little province that will be brought back by force Somaliland will break in clan states and the Govt in Somalia will support such clan states We will ignore Somaliland and it will self destruct Somalilanders will fight over power after their elections results. its always a small group in Somalia that is always fixated on Somaliland when ever something positives happens in Somalia. They try to link that to Somaliland in a negative perspective.

xiinfaniin;868603 wrote: ^^But the point still stands. You went every where except Somalia. Now is the time to stop running from yourself . Now is the time to come home and celebrate with your people . Somalia and Somaliland haven't yet reached a way to pay each other a diplomatic visit it will come in the near future when we reach the second phase of the talks of Somaliland and Somalia. It will stay with congratulating each other for a while.

Taleexi who do you want as PM?

xiinfaniin;868597 wrote: Xaaji Xunjuf, Now is the time to come home . Your leadership went to South Sudan uninvited, why not Mogadishu I ask? They were invited by IGAD and by the South Sudanese government by the way President Siilaanyo and John Garang were good friends.

xiinfaniin;868589 wrote: Xaaji Xunjuf and co, This represents a great opportunity to do the right thing, and celebrate with your people. When Adan Cadde died, your leadership did not show respect , when Abdullaahi Yusuf died your leadership did not participate in jinaazah, but when Zenawi died you were the first to go. Now is the time my brothers. Do the right thing, and come to Mogadishu Not Gonna happen:D By the way when Adan cade died President rayaale did send his condolences Even When Cabdilahi Yusuf died President Siilaanyo did send his condolences Inauguration of a neighbor is not that important but Siilaanyo congratulated the new president of Somalia that's enough.

Shinbir Majabe;868584 wrote: I think Amiir Zubeyr has a better chance than Siilaanyo to come to Mogadishu.. :D:D The Amiir has other plans

Thats in four days i don't think President Siilaanyo will come Siilaanyo hasn't set foot in xamar in 30 years and i don't think he will set foot in Somalia in a few days time. Xiinfaniin how many foreign delegates will be at the inauguration?

Carafaat whether he is from Puntland or gedo lets just hope the president selects a prime minister who can do the job thats what matters.

Mario B;868517 wrote: The lady [Hilary] was loud and clear when she was in London, "no break-up of Somalia ". Somalia is big enough for all the clans. Those peddling " clan international borders " and a "President " in every tuulo are just plain mad!! Hillary Clinton should worry more about whether obama selects here again as the foreign secretary of state or not. The united states policy on Somalia and Somaliland hasn't changed a bit supporting the dual track approach for Somalia and Somaliland the support of clan federalism in Somalia. The Fight against islamist in Somalia,continue to support Somaliland democratization process and let Somaliland and Somalia clarify their own future relations.The West including the united states is very neutral on the case of Somaliland and Somalia.The united states well the bush administration clearly said that they will support Somaliland recognition if its done through the African union the Bush administration went even as far as saying that they should swift the power to Somaliland. Its not like kurdistan that is being hold hostage by a NATO member Turkey and a US ally in the region. Somaliland has the best case in Africa legally and it will take a political solution in the long term Neighboring IGAD countries are not clearly opposed to Somaliland statehood. But they only fear for their own territorial integrity Mobassa secession in Kenya and the O'gaden secession in Ethiopia. Egypt has a new regime because of this new govt that took over Egypt they finally started to formulate a real foreign policy for the first time since Anwar al sadat.The Mubarak Govt allowed sudan to split they lost pretty much all their influance in Africa that the gamaal abdulnasir regime built in the 50s 60s to comete with the Israeli influance. The First visit of the Egyptian foreign minister was not to Washington or brussels but it was to sudan khartoum. Egypt wants its influance back in the region and in Africa and they want to focus on that.Former African union chairman Alpha Kunare was very pro Somaliland the case of Somaliland was raised at the african union a few times the Egyptians strongly opposed any discussion of Somaliland and they suqashed the efforts of alpha kunare to give SL a associate member status in the AU. He suggested that Somaliland should start talks with the TFG but at that time Somalia was a total mess there were Ethiopians icu muqawamo shabaab .But talks are now starting to take place so lets see how that goes i predict a very peaceful future of Somaliland and Somalia.