Obama will not receive Netanyahu in US SHARE BOOKMARKPRINTEMAILRATING PHOTO | GALI TIBBON | POOL Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gestures speaks during a joint press conference with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borisov (not seen) in Jerusalem on September 11, 2012. AFP By AFP Posted Tuesday, September 11 2012 at 23:36 IN SUMMARY The announcement represents a new low in the uneasy relationship between the two leaders In an attempt to lower the tensions between the sides, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said later in the day that the "differences" between the US and Israel must be clarified "with openness, but in closed forums." Israel, the Middle East's sole, if undeclared, nuclear power, says a nuclear Iran would constitute an existential threat for the Jewish state and has refused to rule out a military strike to prevent it from gaining such a capability JERUSALEM President Barack Obama will not receive Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during his visit to the US later this month, both sides said on Tuesday, amid growing tensions between the allies over Iran's nuclear programme. Netanyahu, who will be attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York, had asked for a meeting with Obama, proposing to travel to Washington for it, an Israeli official told AFP. "So far the response has been that Obama's very tight schedule does not allow such a meeting," the official said. The White House too insisted that it was a matter of scheduling. The announcement, coming shortly after Netanyahu rebuked the US for refusing to set a clear "red line" for Iran to avoid military action, represents a new low in the uneasy relationship between the two leaders. Both Israel and the US suspect Iran is seeking at least the capability to build an atomic bomb but they are at odds over how best to stop that. Over the past week, Netanyahu has repeatedly driven home the need to lay down a "clear red line" for Iran in order to avoid military action. But Obama's administration, which is suggesting there is still time to allow sanctions to take effect, is flatly refusing to do so. On Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the US was "not setting deadlines" on Iran, and State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters that "it is not useful to be parsing it, to be setting deadlines one way or the other, red lines." To this Netanyahu retorted: "Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran, don't have a moral right to place a red light before Israel," in a Tuesday meeting with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borisov. In an attempt to lower the tensions between the sides, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said later in the day that the "differences" between the US and Israel must be clarified "with openness, but in closed forums." "We must not forget that the US is Israel's main ally," Barak said in a private forum. "We must also remember the significance of our partnership with America and do everything possible not to harm this." Israel, the Middle East's sole, if undeclared, nuclear power, says a nuclear Iran would constitute an existential threat for the Jewish state and has refused to rule out a military strike to prevent it from gaining such a capability. It is portraying Iran as on the verge of securing nuclear weapons and warned US officials of the imminence of a stage in which it would be too late to carry out bombing raids to derail Tehran's programme. But the US is confident it would have sufficient time to prevent such a scenario, as articulated by Defence Secretary Leon Panetta in a television interview Tuesday. The Pentagon chief told "CBS This Morning" that it would take Iran some time to construct a nuclear device once the Tehran leadership chose to go ahead. "It's going to take them a while once they make the decision to do it," he said.

puntnomads;868178 wrote: "How about a referendum on independence village by village for every district in Somaliland." I have no problem with Somaliland independence even though I am from puntland. But the issue is will Somaliland give up all claims to ssc lands including the current supporters of somaliland. I await your answer Xaaji. Because if ssc lands is split then borders tensions between Somalia and Somaliland will exist indefinitely as somalis are very tribal and your current supporters could defect to Somalia and this is not how national borders are treated internationally, like a political game. Now we are talking i think the issues in the sool and sanaag regions must also be addressed even though i believe the majority in those regions support an independent Somaliland. Remember some of them in sool were part of Puntland but rejected that later on eventhough Puntland is a pro union region. Now i believe the issue needs to be addressed as well but its good that u welcome an independence referendum.

OdaySomali;868162 wrote: Cabdulaahi Suldaan Timacadde That was in 1964 today its 2012.

General Duke;868131 wrote: Adeer you are deluding yourself as ever. No one in Somalia will accept treating the NW any different from other communities. Your clan is not that special. Sorry to break to you, but now you have been forced to acceot and take Somalia passports, who has the advantage? They dont have to accept it they just have to deal with it thats all and i am sure they will deal with it because their loss is not that great.

Ever since Cabdi Cawar lost some people see Somaliland every where:D

The Spanish people are also the same people who share the same faith and language and to some extend share the same ancestry but whats more important the Spanish people share the same heritage political culture and History an Empire. by the way i support the unity of Somalia.

General Duke;868118 wrote: XX, there will ne mo referendum or the South Sudan type of option. Somaliland is not South Sudan. All legitimate grievances should be settled and addressed correctly. A bit of maturity is required from our N-Western brothers. The independence issue will be addressed whether u like it or not do not be afraid of a Recognized Somaliland it will be very peaceful towards ur people In Puntland.

Apophis;868113 wrote: I do but you want a permanent settlement where everybody is, reasonably, satisfied with the outcome Yes i want a permanent settlement i don't think it will be a big problem Somaliland and Somalia can reach a deal. Somalia has little to lose they still have a big territory remember Somalia is twice the size of Somaliland Somalia still has all the fertile land and will not lose many resources it will lose some population but that's about. I mean with Somaliland attached to Somalia internationally Somalia cant focus on her own domestic issues as in rebuilding the country i see Somaliland as bad energy on Somalia and we need to solve that.

Apophis;868110 wrote: The situation is too complicated to be settled in such a way; but let me ask you, what if some clans wish to be part of Somalia, do you think they have the right to choose? We will know that when we hold a UN supervised referendum on independence maybe half of Hargeysa wants to be part of Somalia we dont know dont you wanna find out.

Apophis;868108 wrote: No forced union but inclusive and negotiated settlement; he has my vote. How about a referendum on independence village by village for every district in Somaliland.

Thats what i like to hear he does not believe in any forced union between SL and Somalia.

Why are we comparing Spain with Somalia come on people.

^^ Unlikely but it can happen but its unlikely.

Duke that's always how it starts but eventually they will reach a deal and come to their senses since selling another union to Somalilanders is unreachable impossible and even illogical. As i said that's how it starts the people of Somalia has no real attachment to Somaliland since Somaliland was basically gone the past 22 years the average person in Mogadishu or baydhabo has no clue how Somaliland or the people Somaliland view things nor can they related to their aspirations he only knows what he wants the same way u tell us about what u want. But u dont know how Somalilanders view things. Thats why the talks will take a while and maybe through referendum if its agreed so we can really test and bring forward the true aspirations and desires of the people of Somaliland. And that's why i like the new president he outdoes believe in any form of forced union a healthy coexistence of Somaliland and Somalia is the future.

Shinbir Majabe;868094 wrote: PM can be chosen from any clan except the President clan.. 4.5 sidaas ayaa loola jeedaa, laakiin waxaa caado noqotay in 2sub-clans ay mar walbo qaataan the President and PM posts.. waxaana u sabab ah iney kaga firfircoon yihiin other clans dhanka siyaasadda. pm cannot be from the Bay and Bakool regions since jawaari is from those regions the parliament speaker. He will most likely be from Puntland or gedo

^^ I just cant imagine Spain be divided thats all son.

Its 4.5 the 3 top seats in Somalia is most likely always shared by the 3 major clans in Somalia if one is the President he cant be the Prime Minister this formula existed before the 4.5 back than it wasn't official now its official so nothing will change really.

Shinbir Majabe;868066 wrote: ^^ :D:D Edit: ( Hargeysa is a nice city i have been there a few times i hope it remains with Somalia) . Thats a whole different story

General Duke;868065 wrote: Somaliland is part of Somalia, it’s the NW part of Somalia and our new President believes in and swore to uphold the Federal Republic sovereignty and territorial integrity. Thus expect a Somalia that will listen to any grievance but will not allow any room for secession. The incompetent Sharif that you were used to and loved is gone. The new President is a nationalist of the first order. The current President of Somalia doesn't believe in any forced union between Somaliland and Somalia he made that clear that's why i am sure the current dialogue will continue to achieve some kind of renewed relations between Somaliland and Somalia. Something the leaders of Somaliland and Somalia have wasted the past 21 years. its a great day for the people of Somalia they have an elected president a new parliament. His priorities are to continue to rebuild Mogadishu help shelter the returned refugees continue to build institutions continue to build capable police forces and armed forces and fight corruption these are his top priorities. On the side we will continue the dialogue of Somaliland and Somalia its a great year for the people of the Horn of Africa The Dictator of Ethiopia is dead they found water in Puntland a new President is elected in Somalia. Mo farah won twice gold in London Olympics ONLF and Ethiopia started having talks. Somaliland and Somalia started talking for the first time the future is indeed very bright.

Barcelona is a nice city i have been there a few times i hope it remains with Spain.

General Duke;868054 wrote: I am a proud Somali today and want Mogadishu to develop and become stronger, XX on the other hand wants Somaliland to be run from Addis and Banadir from Kenya.. Who is a loser? Somaliland and Somalia will always be neighbors and we also hope that our two neighboring countries will partner together in working towards a betterment of peace and stability and prosperity in the Horn of Africa.

General Duke;868051 wrote: You do know today there is more unity in Mogadishu between various communities than any other time? We have a well manared, religious, educated man at the top. Abdiweli was his ally and so where those who supported the change and who were against the Sharif's you supported. Today I am happy, so are my relatives in Mogadishu including my beloved mother. Thus Mr. Secessionist expect a shock as the Federal Republic takes shape. The days when we took orders from Addis, Djibouti & Kenya are over.. Well i am very happy for the people of Somalia like the rest of the people of Somaliland the Govt of Somaliland send their Congrats to the people of Somalia and the new leadership of Somalia. And i am also Glad an Islamist is at top leadership of Somalia which is a good thing. The unity of the people of Mogadishu is very important we all remember how you cheered for their destruction when u uncle was the leader of the TFG. As for cabdi cawar he wanted the top seat so did you and the rest of the puntlanders but they lost accept ur defeat:D

Burah leave our friend Duke Alone he is still not over the loss of Cabdi Weli so one needs to let his frustrations out on Somaliland.

Why would i be upset i said before the elections that i will support who ever the people of Somalia elect and they elected Hassan Sh Mahamuud not cabdi cawar no faroole agent is in Mogadishu tonight. I know it hurts and it must be painful that the guy u were promoting the past few months lost but that's the reality:D There are winners and there are losers in this world and you have to just accept that ur not on the winning team:D

General Duke;868037 wrote: ^^^^ Adeer you have no recognition and a Political office is meaningless to your cause if its affairs are run from Mogadishu's embassy.. Desperate talk from a secessionist. Now Somalia will develop insha Allah now your hero Sharif's are gone.. You are forgetting that the Somaliland affairs concerning the UK will be connected to the Embassy in Ethiopia and the Political office recently opened will deal with the Somaliland corporation issues in the SL capital. While the Nairobi based Embassy for Somalia will run the affairs of Somalia from Kenya that's how its organized u have to deal with it.