White House Denies Netanyahu Request For Meeting Amid Signs of Increased U.S.-Israeli Tension DOUG MATACONIS · TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2012 President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will both be in New York later this month for the annual United Nations General Assembly Meeting, although they won’t be in the city at the same time. Nonetheless, the Obama White House has apparently denied a request from Netanyahu’s office for a meeting during the time the Israeli leader is in the country: (Reuters) – The White House has rejected a request by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to meet President Barak Obama in the United States this month, an Israeli official said on Tuesday, after a row erupted between the allies over Iran’s nuclear programme. An Israeli official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that Netanyahu’s aides had asked for a meeting when he visits the United Nations this month and “the White House has got back to us and said it appears a meeting is not possible. It said that the president’s schedule will not permit that.” Netanyahu has met Obama on all but one of his U.S. trips since 2009. The president was on a foreign visit when the prime minister came to the United States in November 2010. He argues that setting a clear boundary for Iran’s uranium enrichment activities and imposing stronger economic sanctions could deter Tehran from developing nuclear weapons and mitigate the need for military action. This news comes at a time of what seems to be increased public tension between the Obama White House and Netanyahu, including what was reportedly a very tense meeting between Netanyahu, the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, and several Congressmen along with several public comments by the Israeli Prime Minister expressing what seems to be his frustration at American unwillingness to act more forcefully against Iran with regard to its nuclear program. For it’s part, the White House is denying that there is any snub of Netanyahu going on, blaming the inability to meet on the fact that the two men’s schedules are simply not compatible during the time the Prime Minister will be in the U.S.: “The President arrives in New York for the UN on Monday, September 24th and departs on Tuesday, September 25th. The Prime Minister doesn’t arrive in New York until later in the week. They’re simply not in the city at the same time. But the President and PM are in frequent contact and the PM will meet with other senior officials, including Secretary Clinton, during his visit,” National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a written statement. In all honestly, I’m not buying it. Yes the President of the United States is a busy man but his schedule is always subject to change and if there was really a belief that a meeting with the Prime Minister of Israel was necessary, then room could be made in the schedule somewhere. So it seems to me like there’s something going on here. The reports of the meeting with the Ambassador in Jerusalem would seem to indicated that Netanyahu is pressing Washington to put more definite pressure on Iran immediately and, indeed, today he made comments that seem to pretty much confirm that: Earlier on Tuesday, Netanyahu launched an unprecedented verbal attack on the U.S. government over its stance on the Iranian nuclear program. “The world tells Israel ‘wait, there’s still time’. And I say, ‘Wait for what? Wait until when?’ Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel,” Netanyahu told reporters on Tuesday. “Now if Iran knows that there is no red line. If Iran knows that there is no deadline, what will it do? Exactly what it’s doing. It’s continuing, without any interference, towards obtaining nuclear weapons capability and from there, nuclear bombs,” he said. U.S. Department of State spokeswoman Victoria Nuland stressed again on Tuesday that the U.S. administration doesn’t see public discussion of Iranian nuclear program and red lines as useful. “We don’t think it’s particularly useful to have those conversations in public. It doesn’t help the process and it doesn’t help the integrity of the diplomacy. To be standing here at the podium parsing the details of the Iranian nuclear program is not helpful to getting where we want to go,” she said, briefing the media. The other point, of course, is that setting down a red line in public essentially means that the President would lock the United States into taking military action at the point it appeared those red lines had been crossed. In that regard, it strikes me as generally unwise to do something like that unless you’ve already made the decision to go to war. For example, with President George H.W. Bush gave Saddam Hussein a deadline by which his forces must be out of Kuwait in advance of Operation Desert Storm, he did so largely knowing that Saddam would not comply and that war would come once the deadline passed, which is exactly what happened. For many reasons, including the one’s I discussed yesterday, it would be unwise for the United States to lock itself into such a course of action vis a vis Iran at this point in time. There’s always the possibility, of course, that something I speculated about months ago could actually be true. It could be possible that all of this U.S.-Israeli “tension” is a PR show for the benefit of the Iranians, although if that was the case I’m not entirely sure what the end game would be other than, perhaps, a scenario where we basically tell the Iranians that they need to start complying with demands regarding their nuclear program, otherwise we aren’t going to be able to hold the Israelis back any longer. If that’s not the case, if this is all for real, then it certainly does seem that the relationship between the United States and Israel is worse than it has been for quite some time. Allahpundit, meanwhile, wonders about the domestic politics of all of this: It strikes me as very uncharacteristic of Obama, whose top priority is always his own reelection, to deny Bibi a courtesy visit with an election just six weeks away, unless maybe O’s suddenly convinced that Israel really is going to attack in October. In that case, Obama’s calculus might shift: His top priority would be to prevent the U.S. from getting dragged into a war with Iran, which might involve attacks on U.S. bases in the region, skyrocketing oil prices, and lord knows what else. The political consequences of something that volatile would be hard to predict, so here he is signaling to the world that if Israel makes a move, they’re making it on their own. I’m … not too sure that’s going to convince the Iranians, but it might get enough attention among Israelis to turn up the domestic pressure on Netanyahu not to attack alone. They’re O’s real target audience here, I think. Surely he’s doing himself no favors electorally at home with a snub this prominent so late in the game. I’ve got no doubt that Mitt Romney and other Republicans will pick up on this story as another sign of what they claim to be, rather falsely, Obama’s disregard for an ally, and such rhetoric will play very will with the Evangelical base of the GOP for whom obsessive support of whatever it is the Likud Party and its allies on the right side of Israeli politics want to do. I’m not so sure, though, that it’s going to have any real impact on the race itself. Despite Republican dreams, there’s little chance that the Jewish vote is going to be any less reliably Democratic than it has been for decades. Moreover, I’ve never seen any indication that this type of argument is likely to have much of an impact on independent and swing state voters who have indicated repeatedly that their top concerns in this election all revolve around the economy. Are any of those people really going to base their vote on the fact that the President didn’t meet with the Prime Minister of Israel? I don’t see it happening. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes here, so I’m not going to say which side is right or wrong here. For one thing, it’s possible that neither of them are right, or that neither of them are wrong . Based on my observation, though, it does seem that Netanyahu has been beating the drums for war quite loudly in recent weeks. Whether this is a bluster or a reflection of the fact that Israel is close to a decision that could result in a unilateral attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities is something only he knows himself. Based on this news, though, I think its pretty clear we can expect more strident rhetoric from the Israelis. Whether it amounts to anything is something we’ll just have to wait and see.

Obama will not receive Netanyahu in US SHARE BOOKMARKPRINTEMAILRATING PHOTO | GALI TIBBON | POOL Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gestures speaks during a joint press conference with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borisov (not seen) in Jerusalem on September 11, 2012. AFP By AFP Posted Tuesday, September 11 2012 at 23:36 IN SUMMARY The announcement represents a new low in the uneasy relationship between the two leaders In an attempt to lower the tensions between the sides, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said later in the day that the "differences" between the US and Israel must be clarified "with openness, but in closed forums." Israel, the Middle East's sole, if undeclared, nuclear power, says a nuclear Iran would constitute an existential threat for the Jewish state and has refused to rule out a military strike to prevent it from gaining such a capability JERUSALEM President Barack Obama will not receive Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during his visit to the US later this month, both sides said on Tuesday, amid growing tensions between the allies over Iran's nuclear programme. Netanyahu, who will be attending the United Nations General Assembly in New York, had asked for a meeting with Obama, proposing to travel to Washington for it, an Israeli official told AFP. "So far the response has been that Obama's very tight schedule does not allow such a meeting," the official said. The White House too insisted that it was a matter of scheduling. The announcement, coming shortly after Netanyahu rebuked the US for refusing to set a clear "red line" for Iran to avoid military action, represents a new low in the uneasy relationship between the two leaders. Both Israel and the US suspect Iran is seeking at least the capability to build an atomic bomb but they are at odds over how best to stop that. Over the past week, Netanyahu has repeatedly driven home the need to lay down a "clear red line" for Iran in order to avoid military action. But Obama's administration, which is suggesting there is still time to allow sanctions to take effect, is flatly refusing to do so. On Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the US was "not setting deadlines" on Iran, and State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters that "it is not useful to be parsing it, to be setting deadlines one way or the other, red lines." To this Netanyahu retorted: "Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran, don't have a moral right to place a red light before Israel," in a Tuesday meeting with his Bulgarian counterpart Boyko Borisov. In an attempt to lower the tensions between the sides, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said later in the day that the "differences" between the US and Israel must be clarified "with openness, but in closed forums." "We must not forget that the US is Israel's main ally," Barak said in a private forum. "We must also remember the significance of our partnership with America and do everything possible not to harm this." Israel, the Middle East's sole, if undeclared, nuclear power, says a nuclear Iran would constitute an existential threat for the Jewish state and has refused to rule out a military strike to prevent it from gaining such a capability. It is portraying Iran as on the verge of securing nuclear weapons and warned US officials of the imminence of a stage in which it would be too late to carry out bombing raids to derail Tehran's programme. But the US is confident it would have sufficient time to prevent such a scenario, as articulated by Defence Secretary Leon Panetta in a television interview Tuesday. The Pentagon chief told "CBS This Morning" that it would take Iran some time to construct a nuclear device once the Tehran leadership chose to go ahead. "It's going to take them a while once they make the decision to do it," he said.

puntnomads;868178 wrote: "How about a referendum on independence village by village for every district in Somaliland." I have no problem with Somaliland independence even though I am from puntland. But the issue is will Somaliland give up all claims to ssc lands including the current supporters of somaliland. I await your answer Xaaji. Because if ssc lands is split then borders tensions between Somalia and Somaliland will exist indefinitely as somalis are very tribal and your current supporters could defect to Somalia and this is not how national borders are treated internationally, like a political game. Now we are talking i think the issues in the sool and sanaag regions must also be addressed even though i believe the majority in those regions support an independent Somaliland. Remember some of them in sool were part of Puntland but rejected that later on eventhough Puntland is a pro union region. Now i believe the issue needs to be addressed as well but its good that u welcome an independence referendum.

OdaySomali;868162 wrote: Cabdulaahi Suldaan Timacadde That was in 1964 today its 2012.

General Duke;868131 wrote: Adeer you are deluding yourself as ever. No one in Somalia will accept treating the NW any different from other communities. Your clan is not that special. Sorry to break to you, but now you have been forced to acceot and take Somalia passports, who has the advantage? They dont have to accept it they just have to deal with it thats all and i am sure they will deal with it because their loss is not that great.

Ever since Cabdi Cawar lost some people see Somaliland every where:D

The Spanish people are also the same people who share the same faith and language and to some extend share the same ancestry but whats more important the Spanish people share the same heritage political culture and History an Empire. by the way i support the unity of Somalia.

General Duke;868118 wrote: XX, there will ne mo referendum or the South Sudan type of option. Somaliland is not South Sudan. All legitimate grievances should be settled and addressed correctly. A bit of maturity is required from our N-Western brothers. The independence issue will be addressed whether u like it or not do not be afraid of a Recognized Somaliland it will be very peaceful towards ur people In Puntland.

Apophis;868113 wrote: I do but you want a permanent settlement where everybody is, reasonably, satisfied with the outcome Yes i want a permanent settlement i don't think it will be a big problem Somaliland and Somalia can reach a deal. Somalia has little to lose they still have a big territory remember Somalia is twice the size of Somaliland Somalia still has all the fertile land and will not lose many resources it will lose some population but that's about. I mean with Somaliland attached to Somalia internationally Somalia cant focus on her own domestic issues as in rebuilding the country i see Somaliland as bad energy on Somalia and we need to solve that.

Apophis;868110 wrote: The situation is too complicated to be settled in such a way; but let me ask you, what if some clans wish to be part of Somalia, do you think they have the right to choose? We will know that when we hold a UN supervised referendum on independence maybe half of Hargeysa wants to be part of Somalia we dont know dont you wanna find out.

Apophis;868108 wrote: No forced union but inclusive and negotiated settlement; he has my vote. How about a referendum on independence village by village for every district in Somaliland.

Thats what i like to hear he does not believe in any forced union between SL and Somalia.

Why are we comparing Spain with Somalia come on people.

^^ Unlikely but it can happen but its unlikely.

Duke that's always how it starts but eventually they will reach a deal and come to their senses since selling another union to Somalilanders is unreachable impossible and even illogical. As i said that's how it starts the people of Somalia has no real attachment to Somaliland since Somaliland was basically gone the past 22 years the average person in Mogadishu or baydhabo has no clue how Somaliland or the people Somaliland view things nor can they related to their aspirations he only knows what he wants the same way u tell us about what u want. But u dont know how Somalilanders view things. Thats why the talks will take a while and maybe through referendum if its agreed so we can really test and bring forward the true aspirations and desires of the people of Somaliland. And that's why i like the new president he outdoes believe in any form of forced union a healthy coexistence of Somaliland and Somalia is the future.

Shinbir Majabe;868094 wrote: PM can be chosen from any clan except the President clan.. 4.5 sidaas ayaa loola jeedaa, laakiin waxaa caado noqotay in 2sub-clans ay mar walbo qaataan the President and PM posts.. waxaana u sabab ah iney kaga firfircoon yihiin other clans dhanka siyaasadda. pm cannot be from the Bay and Bakool regions since jawaari is from those regions the parliament speaker. He will most likely be from Puntland or gedo

^^ I just cant imagine Spain be divided thats all son.

Its 4.5 the 3 top seats in Somalia is most likely always shared by the 3 major clans in Somalia if one is the President he cant be the Prime Minister this formula existed before the 4.5 back than it wasn't official now its official so nothing will change really.

Shinbir Majabe;868066 wrote: ^^ :D:D Edit: ( Hargeysa is a nice city i have been there a few times i hope it remains with Somalia) . Thats a whole different story

General Duke;868065 wrote: Somaliland is part of Somalia, it’s the NW part of Somalia and our new President believes in and swore to uphold the Federal Republic sovereignty and territorial integrity. Thus expect a Somalia that will listen to any grievance but will not allow any room for secession. The incompetent Sharif that you were used to and loved is gone. The new President is a nationalist of the first order. The current President of Somalia doesn't believe in any forced union between Somaliland and Somalia he made that clear that's why i am sure the current dialogue will continue to achieve some kind of renewed relations between Somaliland and Somalia. Something the leaders of Somaliland and Somalia have wasted the past 21 years. its a great day for the people of Somalia they have an elected president a new parliament. His priorities are to continue to rebuild Mogadishu help shelter the returned refugees continue to build institutions continue to build capable police forces and armed forces and fight corruption these are his top priorities. On the side we will continue the dialogue of Somaliland and Somalia its a great year for the people of the Horn of Africa The Dictator of Ethiopia is dead they found water in Puntland a new President is elected in Somalia. Mo farah won twice gold in London Olympics ONLF and Ethiopia started having talks. Somaliland and Somalia started talking for the first time the future is indeed very bright.

Barcelona is a nice city i have been there a few times i hope it remains with Spain.

General Duke;868054 wrote: I am a proud Somali today and want Mogadishu to develop and become stronger, XX on the other hand wants Somaliland to be run from Addis and Banadir from Kenya.. Who is a loser? Somaliland and Somalia will always be neighbors and we also hope that our two neighboring countries will partner together in working towards a betterment of peace and stability and prosperity in the Horn of Africa.

General Duke;868051 wrote: You do know today there is more unity in Mogadishu between various communities than any other time? We have a well manared, religious, educated man at the top. Abdiweli was his ally and so where those who supported the change and who were against the Sharif's you supported. Today I am happy, so are my relatives in Mogadishu including my beloved mother. Thus Mr. Secessionist expect a shock as the Federal Republic takes shape. The days when we took orders from Addis, Djibouti & Kenya are over.. Well i am very happy for the people of Somalia like the rest of the people of Somaliland the Govt of Somaliland send their Congrats to the people of Somalia and the new leadership of Somalia. And i am also Glad an Islamist is at top leadership of Somalia which is a good thing. The unity of the people of Mogadishu is very important we all remember how you cheered for their destruction when u uncle was the leader of the TFG. As for cabdi cawar he wanted the top seat so did you and the rest of the puntlanders but they lost accept ur defeat:D

Burah leave our friend Duke Alone he is still not over the loss of Cabdi Weli so one needs to let his frustrations out on Somaliland.

Why would i be upset i said before the elections that i will support who ever the people of Somalia elect and they elected Hassan Sh Mahamuud not cabdi cawar no faroole agent is in Mogadishu tonight. I know it hurts and it must be painful that the guy u were promoting the past few months lost but that's the reality:D There are winners and there are losers in this world and you have to just accept that ur not on the winning team:D