the tft passport is the last nail on the coffin of the ill-fated uinion the tft passport is the last nail on the coffin of the ill-fated uinion The FTG passport is the last nail on the coffin of the ill-fated union with the South way back in 1960 – patience is the name of the game and the last thing we need to do is engage in unnecessary debate over this dead crop: By: Hassan Abdi Yousuf The hot debate over FTG Passport depicts the shallowness of our understanding of immigration laws. Before engaging in this debate over whether Somalilanders holding the passport of the Somali FTG are in breach of our Laws and if they would be allowed to travel to/from our ports, we need to answer one fundamental question. That is; what other options do they have? The vast majority of the Somaliland Diaspora holds foreign passports from every corn of this Global. This is not an issue of their choice, but as we are all aware, these men and women were forced out of their country as a result of the oppression and killing of the Barreh dictatorship. Secondly, the Somaliland citizens who are residing inside our country and need frequent travelling (local official, businessmen and other private citizens) also hold foreign passports of neighboring courtiers like Ethiopia sand Djibouti. Thirdly, Somaliland citizens who are permanently residing in other parts of the world (like the Gulf and Africa) but do not have other citizenships hold passports issued by some quasi Embassies of the now defunct Somali Republic. This is because the international community has yet to recognize our Passport and the FTG guys, for their own sinister reasons, assume we are part of them. I have recently acquired FTG passportin Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, simply because the country of my residence (Saudi Arabia) has yet to recognize my Somaliland Passport. However, as far as I am concerned,the matter is a question of time and I have no doubt the day will come when the Somaliland Passport will be honored by over 100 nations on the Globe. To sum it up, the nature of the passport one holds is a matter of convenience given the circumstances and should not be turned into political issue. Lastly, the argument that the green passport was shared with the South is ridiculous. The reason is simple:It isan illegal passport and since we are no more longer part of that regime, we do not share anything Somalia. It is also worth remembering thatit’s Somaliland who has departed the infamous Union with the South and accordingly, we are not entitled and also hate to acquire this passport but in the absence of recognized Somaliland passport, we need to travel on any document that we could put our hands on. Finally, the Government of President Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud Silanyo would love to issue to us Somaliland Republic passports recognized by all nations on Earth and generate revenue in the process, but up until now this has not materialized – needs patience. In this connection, the Somaliland immigration officials have challenging taskat hand and they have to develop policies and procedure aiming at mitigating the National Security and Identity risks emanating from accepting or not accepting the FTG passport in our territories. They also should ensure to minimize the potential suffering our people and safe guard their interests; no matter what. Accordingly, Somaliland Immigration Official needs to ascertain that the citizens holding the FTG passports have lawful reasons to do so. Finally, the question of this ill-fated passport should not be allowed to tarnish our image as asovereign and independent nation (Walaw Kariha Al xaaqiduun). Most importantly,I t should be remembered that the suffering of our people with regard to travelling is part and parcel of our struggle for international recognition and we should have the guts to live with the situation in the hope that, as usual, God will be on our side and the storm will clear up sooner rather than later. For instance, in the days of SNM struggle, a large number of citizens residing in the Arabian Gulf countries were denied renewal of their passports, while others were deplored from these countries at the request of the Siyad Dictatorship. However, these men did not blame the Movement officials for their plight, but they recognized and appreciated that their suffering is part of the ongoing struggle to attain freedom, independence and dignity. In this connection, the following conditions should required of any citizen holding the FTG passport in our territories up until the Somaliland Passport has become a widely accepted travelling document throughout the World, which I recon is a short-lived episode. 1. Somaliland citizens traveling to countries that recognize the Somaliland passport (e.g. Djibouti and Ethiopia etc - and not holding visas & permits to other counties) should be acquired to hold Somaliland passports. 2. Under no circumstance should the FTG passport be issued in Somaliland territories. 3. Known Somaliland citizens (no matter what passport they hold) who are frequently traveling to and from Somalia should be scrutinized for security purposes. We should not be naïve in this regard and assume that these people are automatically innocent travelers. 4. Somaliland Immigration Officers should not endorse the FTG passportfor Entry & Exit purposes if the traveler is directly heading toor arriving from Somalia. In the case of Somalia citizens travelling to or coming from other parts of the world, we should endorse Entry & Exit on blank sheet – merely as evidence of traveling. Bottomline is, so long as they do not recognize our travelling documents we should not horror theirs. 5. The citizens of Somaliashould not hold passports stating Somaliland territories as their birth places. We should have clear policies as to the true identity of people holding this passport. Otherwise, our sovereignty and independence will be compromised. 6. Citizens of Republic of Somaliland who are lawfully traveling overseas on FTG passports (holding foreign in visas and residence permits) should be required to present National IDs in our ports. Otherwise, our national identity will be jeopardized.

and Museveni looks like a deranged black cowboy mimicking Clint Eastwood in the mirror :D

Apophis;872032 wrote: Break it down and simplify it: S/L will be using a passport issued by a Somali government. Am I wrong?` A government that no longer exists

^^^Its the Former Somali govt these passports were distributed when Somaliland and Somalia were one country, these documents are only used for traveling to Arabia. But no TFG passport or a new Somalia passport is accepted in Somaliland.

Its called bacaaaaac. Samatar lost the plot

^^ No problem with that its a new era even-though Somalilanders were at war with those governments. But in 1991 with re independence of Somaliland, Somaliland goverments recject Somalias passport its not for use in Somaliland it rejects Somalia's constitution the part that claims Somalilands territory.

All thanks goes to the Djiboutian Ambassador to saudi arabia an ethnic Somalilander. Somalilanders always used the old Somali republic passport it shows that they use this document as a travel document.Not the new Somalia passport the distiction .clearly matters. And this solely means that Somaliland doesnt recognize any goverment post 1991 in Somalia that claims Somaliland.

^^^:D@Zack

Muhammad saxaf he cracks me up my god in 2003 this guy used to say there are no Americans we crushed them like rats:D

Apophis;871818 wrote: This may well be the case but we have to work with what we know, not speculation. We know Shabab sends people to blow themselves up in Mogadishu. This is what we know. otherwise the whole thing becomes: Donald Rumsfeld former US defense secretary of state is hilarious

Ururka Al-shabaab Oo Sheegtay Qaraxyadii Ka Dhacay Magaalada Muqdisho. Kristiansund(Ramaas) Sept 20,2012 – Afhayeenka kooxda alshabaab Sheekh cali maxamuud Rageh Cali dheere ayaa sheegay inay taageerayaashoodu ka dambeeyeen weraradii ka dhacay magalada muqdisho. Sh. Cali dheere oo u waramayey wakaalada wararka ee APF ayaa sheegay inay qaraxyadaasi ka dambeeyen taageerayaashooda oo uu sheegay inay ka cadhaysyihiin faragalinta ciidamada shisheeye ee dalka soo galay waa sida uu warka u dhigaye. Cali dheere ayaa sheegay inayna iyagu qaraxyada is rasmi ah u amrin, balse waxa uu sheegay inay dad badan oo la dhacsan fakarka alshabaab isla markaasina daacad u ah alshabaab ay fuliyeen weerarkaasi. Weerarka ayaa waxaa ku dhintay dad inta badan caan ka ahaa warbaahinta somaliya waxaana kamid ahaa Cabdisataar Daahir Sabriye oo katirsanaa wariyeyaasha tv-ga qaranka somaliya horayna uga soo shaqayn jiray GBC codka nabada, Universaltv iyo idaacado kale, Wax kale oo weereradaasi ku dhintay dad kale oo bulshada reer muqdisho caan ka ahaa balse aan ilaa hadda magacyadooda naloo xaqiijin.

Somaliland: Saudis Accept pre-1991 Somali Passport Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:26 Amb Rashid Garuuf says Saudis accept green passport & SL one L set for e-systemBy: Yusuf M Hasan HARGEISA (Somalilandsun) – Pressure on the Government of Saudi Arabia bears fruits. Citizens travelling to the holy city of Mecca for Hajj (Pilgrimage) will use the pre-1999 Somalia passports issued before Somaliland reclaimed its sovereignty. This revelation came via a statement issued by the Somaliland Representative in the USA Ambassador Rashid Garuuf. The government of Saudi Arabia had recently announced that it recognizes only the new TFG Somalia passport dubbed "Abdilahi Yusuf" thus entry refusal for pilgrims using either the Somaliland or the pre-1999 Somalia passports. The Saudi decision raised much clamor with some even at ministerial level suggesting a boycott of this year's Hajj in protest, while others urged caution and the use of the TFG one, a suggestion that heightened the clamor further. According to Amb. Garuuf the Saudi about-turn came after the administration of President Silanyo undertook intense negotiations with Riyadh where the Saudis were informed of the impossibility of Somalilanders travelling with a TFG passport. The Amb Garuuf statement from Washington read: This is to inform on the political stance and decision of the Government of Somaliland as pertains to the use of the Somalia TFG passports and repercussions. He also informed that the government of Saudi Arabia has accepted the pre-1999 Somalia passport as valid travel document for Somalilanders attending the hajj. The entire position is as: 1. The administration of the president H.E Ahmed Mahmoud Silanyo hereby informs prospective pilgrims to use the pre-1991 Somalia passport. 2. The use of the pre-1991 green passport is now valid

If one wants to go to Somalia and get a passport he is welcome to do so

Duke Amisom are Military forces what Mogadishu needs is real security forces and sophisticated intelligence and proper policing system all over the city. Amisom cant fill all the vacuums it has to come from with in.

oba hiloowlow;871807 wrote: The president must sack the former ICU members in the intelligent services and the former ICU soldiers because who knows they can be closet-shabaabis Why would they join Alshabaab or be close to shabaab when they weren't when sharif was president it doesn't make sense.

oba hiloowlow;871791 wrote: Xaaji true but so many attacks within 9 days hasn't occured in xamar in a long time There were two attacks one last week and the other one today and some fighting in shibis and boondhere last night. Time will tell Oba time will tell

oba hiloowlow;871787 wrote: Xaaji i just asked a simple question could be a coincedence or not? There were several attacks when sharif was president in the capital remember the attack on the theater when sharif was president.

Thats a serious accusation i don't think that is true if u accuse former president sharif of that you need to bring accurate evidence.

Partnering important international organizations, the Somaliland Ministry of Fisheries will focus on developing its vital but underdeveloped sector, by focusing on sustainable fisheries management strategies. Below is an article published by Somalilandpress: Somaliland Minister of Fisheries and Marine resources Hon Abdillahi Jama Osman (Geeljire) today [20 September 2012] opened a one day conference on how to develop commercial fishing in the country in partnership with the World Bank and Other Major UN Organizations. In his opening speech the Minister of Fisheries told representatives from the World Bank, F.A.O.WFP, UNDP, that we called you here today to share with you information as partners so as to find ways to develop this vital but underdeveloped sector. The Minister of Fisheries told the representative of present organizations that there was a need to develop a working methodology between his Ministry, World Bank, UN and other Major organization so as to find ways to develop this sector. Hon Geeljire said that in the past, we have had numerous engagements with representatives of Major organizations of which we presented our case in an effort to secure their support in developing this vital economical sector but to our disappointment we only got promises instead of commitments. The drivers of our economy is our natural resources, out of the four natural resources that exist in this country fisheries is the least developed, despite having a coastline which stretch more than 850km there’s is no any commercial fishing although at times there are instances of few commercial ships been awarded fishing licenses and as far as somalilanders are concerned there are no commercial fishing companies whatsoever, said Dr. Sacad Ali Shire. After accessing the potential of developing fishing activates in the country for the last month starting in Saylac ,Bulhar and Berbera we found that the infrastructure that supports commercial fishing to be almost non- excitant in this coastal areas hence with the need to develop this sector . With little or no suitable infrastructure in the three major ports of the country to support commercial fishing, much is needed to be done to develop this sector so as to realize the full potential of utilizing this natural resource. It is useful to distinguish the fishing sectors by means of characteristics such as the main use of resource, income level, needs met by resources, locality of harvest, who does the harvesting, gear used, origin of the fishery and value of the resource ,said the Minister of National Planning. The Minister of National Planning Dr.Sacad Ali Shire said coastal communities in the country lacked the capability to develop commercial fishing which in turn results for them to stick to their “traditional fisheries methods involving fishing households (as opposed to commercial companies), using relatively small amount of capital and energy, relatively small fishing vessels (if any), making short fishing trips, close to shore, mainly for local consumption. Dr. Sacad Ali Shire said that it was time to develop sustainable fisheries management strategies, which include fishing quotas that dedicate a secure share of fish to individual fishermen, co-operatives, Facilities for fishing communities for their exclusive use.

Somaliland Waxay Go’aansatay In Aan La Ogolayn Bixinta Ama Iibinta Passport-ka TFG-da” Rashiid Garuf September 20th, 2012 “Dawlada Somaliland Waxay Go’aansatay In Aan Marnaba La Ogolayn Bixinta Ama Iibinta Passport-ka TFG-da” Rashiid Garuf (SLT-) Safiirka Somaliland u fadhiya waddanka Maraykanka Rashiid Gaaruf ayaa soo saaray warmurtiyadeed ka turjumaaya siyaasadda dawladda ee ku aadan baasaboorka ay samaysteen dawladihii ku meel gaadhka ahaa ee Somaliliya. KMG. Sidaana wuxuu ku sharxay warmurtiyadeed uu nuqul kamid ah soo gaadhsiiyay shabakadda caalamiga ah ee Somalilandtoday. Wuxuuna u dhignaa sidan. Raashid Gaaruf “Waxan halkan idinkula wadaagayaa siyaasada iyo go’aanka dawlada Somaliland ay ka gaadhay Passportka TFG’da Somaliya iyo waxa laga yeelayo qofka sita ee imanaya Somaliland iyo passportka ay qaadanayaan ee loo ogol yahay dadka tegaya Xajka ee reer Somaliland. Arrinka xajka sida lagu tegayaa waa arrin xasaasiya oo u baahnaa xal degdeg ah. Taasoo ay dawlada Somaliland kala xidhiidhay Dawlada Sucuudiga sidii jawaab degdeg ah loogu heli lahaa. Dawalada Somaliland ee Madaxwayne Ahmed Silanyo waxay go’aan satay sidii dawladihii hore ee Somaliland; in Passportkii hore ee Somaliya ee jiray wixii ka horeeyay 1991-kii lagu tagi karo Xajka sannadkan 2012. Saudi Arabiana taa hore ayay u ogolayd oo dadka reer Somaliland xajka ugu tegi jireen.Dhowaan [sannadka 2012 horaantiisii] ayaa dawlada Sucuudigu soo saartay amar odhanaya Somalida oo dhami waa inay soo qaadataa passportka TFG’da soo saartay marka ay xajka imanayaan. Dawlada Somaliland ee Madaxwayne Ahmed Silanyo go’aanka dawlada Sucuudiga way ka soo horjeedsatay. Oo waxa ay xidhiidh kala samaysay dawlada Sucuudiga. Jawaabtii waxa laga soo diray warqad Safaaradda Sucuudigu ee Djibouti ay soo qortay oo ay dawlada Somaliland ugu sheegtay in ay dawladda Sucuudigu ogolaatay in Xujaajta reer Somaliland ay ku soo xaji karaan passport-kii green-ka ahaa ee ay awalba hore ugu soo xaji jireen. Shirkadda Daallo ayaa dadka xijaajta ah passport-kii green-ka ahaa u soo fiisaysa. Dawlada Somaliland waxay go’aan satay in passport-ka TFG-da ee cusub loola dhaqmo sida passport ajanebi ah, visa-na la waydiiyo qofka sita, taas oo aan hore u jirin, lana ogyahay saamaynta uu ku yeelan karo dadka reer Somaliland ee ku nool khaliijka ee lagu qasbay inay qaataan, passport-kaas TFG-da, waxaana la weydiin doonaa Visa, laakiin waxaa hadda la wadaa sidii dadkaas reer Somaliland ee carabta jooga qiil loogu heli lahaa. Dawlada Somaliland waxay go’aan satay in aan marnaba la ogolayn bixinta ama iibinta passport-ka TFG-da wadanka Somaliland dhexdiisa tallaabo adagna laga qaado cidii lagu helo arrintaa oo lagu gelayo jeelka. Dawlada Somaliland waxay go’aan satay in waxyaabaha inaga hortaagan guud ahaan inaynu passportkeena ka iibgeyno wadama carabta ay tahay in la inooga baahan yahay inaynu ka dhigno electronic passport (e-passport), kaas oo ka safe-san kan aynu hadda haysano oo la soo daabacay Xilligii madaxweyne Cigaal Alle ha naxariisto e; hawshaasna dawladu way ku guda jirtaa dhawaanna waa la soo gabogabaynayaa – haddii illaahay saamaxo. Dawlada Somaliland waxay go’aan satay oo amar ku bixisay in aan Mas’uuliyiinta dawladdu aanay sinaba ku qaadan karin passport-kaas Somaliya (greenka ah) iyo ka TFG-da labadaba ama Xaj ha tegayo ama safar kale ha u baxayaba. Wixii su’aal ah ee aad hayso ee arrinkan khuseeya waxad u soo dirtaa oo kala xidhiidhaa

If this was about the passport the passport was rejected

Walaalkis is a typical Somali believing in conspiracy theories why the hell would the IC or the rest of the wold be against Somalia's peace and stability there is only one insurgency group in Somalia and they're name is Alshabaab. Mogadisho needs more security forces and capable police forces Amisom cannot fill all the vacuums.

walaalkis;871765 wrote: War kuwaan Alshabab mahan waa dad kale , you don't see what's going on Wait 45 minutes Alshabaab will claim responsibility.

What thread about shabaab in kismayo well they're was just back in kismayo reporting the news there. But i don't want Kenya to attack kismayo because if they do they will fight in the city which will be more destructive. If shabab withdraws from kismayo peacefully that would be the best thing.

Jacayl baro i dont support Alshabaab been ha iga sheegin my very younger Brother is currently In xamar