oba hiloowlow;884737 wrote: banaadir,shabelles,hiiraan,jubbas,gedo and Galgaduud federalism wont work i've said it hundreds of times before even if it does work it will be temporary its too complex and it will probably lead to a second civil war, thats my opinion though. What about bay and bakool Oba Hilloowlow.

Apophis;884734 wrote: Best sheeko I've ever read :D Maybe he is an activist you never know.

Oba i dont think xamar can be a federal state as long as it wants to be the capital, the rights of the minorities should always be protected i agree. And i don't think the new admin will marginalize the smaller minorities in jubaland nor will they be sidelined. The Majority just gets a bigger piece of the pie and the minority a smaller.

Times are changing Oba hiloowle in the 1960s and 1970s Kismayo was an all inclusive city of all clans azanians those from gedo the one from bay and all the others. But since the civil war lots of people were killed lots of people fled Somalis are nomads lots of people migrated to new territories. Demographics is no longer the same you have to accept that since 1991 reer cabuudwaaq and reer gedo were investing in kismayo not saying they didn't live in kismayo before that ofcourse they did, but they live in more areas in the lower juba today. Which is not a bad thing they are not Kenyans or Ethiopian. The same with Mogadishu,, Mogadishu was the pride of the Somali nation even with reer unuka being the indigenous inhabitants at that time if you asked people back than do you think Mogadishu belongs to a clan i think they would laugh at you. Mogadishu had people from Puntland gedo jubaland galmudug and even Somaliland and every one felt at home and even today they cant claim it as their city and can you imagine that was the capital of the Somali state. I wonder though what will happen if the refugees return back to their rightful territory and if they are allowed back since everything changed in Somalia the past 22 years.

But oba the unuka community is the majority along with their reer daynille cousins and the banadiri are 3rd. And i think Uztaad is saying Kismayo is D block majority and the rest are minorities so sidaa maha.

The clan issue is not the biggest issue sharing a state and resources is the biggest challenge because the idea of sharing a state having one leader Amiir is a difficult task for the Somalis. For instance the current prime minister and president both belong to different tribes but even that goes wrong because the President is seeing as superior to the prime minister the idea that the entire country belongs to all Somalis is also very unfamiliar if you ask Somalis.Somalis are peoples with no republics prior to their short lived nationhood the concept of tribal homelands plays a vital role in modern day Somalia. And it will for years to come unless they reconstruct their societies in the near future.

The only 4 Somaliland politicians who are unionist in their hearts and minds and really believe that Somaliland and Somalia should remain united. Are General jamac maxammad qaalib ismaciil hure buuba Dr Axmed ismaciil samatar and Mr Kaluun. These four they believe in it because its their principle. The others are either indifferent or could care less if they stay united or not or are Somaliland supporters in their hearts. Like sifir who was a kulmiye member than joined cabdilahi yusufs government than returned back home. The former deputy mayor of berbera in 1995 or ina omaar who was part of the kulmiye branch office based in Djibouti. Ina omaar went as far as saying,that he is in Somalia because they need him the most in Somalia he said the Koonfurians need him desperately. And he continued and said that in Somaliland there are better politicians in Somaliland he is not needed there. The so called MPS from Somaliland in Somalias parliament how come we never hear of them how come they never talk because they are just there to collect their money and than party on exotic beaches in east Africa. They don't see them selves as legislators and when their time is up and every one goes home. They just ask president siilaanyo for forgiveness and he lets them back in or what ever president is ruling Somaliland.

STOIC even if she goes to Somalia and becomes a Minister she will stay a Somalilandist in her heart after all this is the man who raised an icon of Somaliland a man who played a significant role in Somaliland on all fields education politics poetry you name it.

Anigu wali maan fahmin wuxu abwaan diidanyahay ma Axmed madoobe bu diidanyahay ma inay kibaaki saaxib yihin mise wuxu diidanyahay ciidamada shiisheeye. War ama cadaado haku dhasho ama dhooblay muhiim maha halkay hooyadi ku foolatay eh waxa muhim ah siyasadisa so far anigu wali wax mad madow ma arkin aan ahayn Axmed madoobe.. mamuul ba kismayo loo sameyey gudi ba loo saaray wax sharciga diidaya anigu ila hada ma arkin.

lol i think he watched to many American movies.

Thats why the notion of modern Somali statehood was a failed experiment its self and when some certain people thought that they could misuse the resources of the Somali nation for their own clannish gains. Than u will get total collapse of a nation, and when you are dealing with nomadic people and when their salience of national identity isn't even that strong than you know that something is really wrong. The root of the problem lies deeper son much and much deeper.This is just the beginning what you are seeing let clan federalism further evolve and you will see more.

Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe Ruling Zimbabwe since 1980 and still kicking it President of Angola Mr Eduardo dos santos ruling since 1979 Paul Biya of Cameroon ruling since 1982 thats 30 years for the Cameroon president Yoweri Museveni of Uganda ruling since 1986 thats 26 years for the ugandan dictator Blaise Compaoré of Burkina Fasso ruling 25 years Yahye yammeh of gambia ruling since 1994 Joseph Kabila of congo ruling since 2001 Isiyas afarwerki of Eritrea ruling since 1991 Omar hassan al bashir of sudan ruling since 1989

walaalkis;884707 wrote: This president and the late dictator , there is a big difference. Back then our country was built under that system and there was no 4.5 . What we had than compare to today ,I rather have yesterday's system. Eventhough there was a big corruption and property being taken by the government to help his own , we still had law and order . And anyone against it was aiming thier own interest like snm, ssdf,usc There wasn't a 4.5 but there was a M.O.D. alliance similar to the 4.5 the only difference was the M.O.D was one clan.One clan sucking all the resources of the Somali state can you imagine that. So one would say the 4.5 is more inclusive compared what we had before But on the other hand the thing is to legitimize the actions of the pre war era countries such as Somalia use not primordial but human rights the past enlivenment of the state to reinforce and strengthen the tribal nation of the state.

Not funded by the state funded privately sometimes other sponsors this time only 3 will become the new legitimate parties of Somaliland.Well its kinda difficult UCID is a more socialist/islamist party kulmiye and udub didn't group them selves as left or right like in the west. Wadan is ultra rightwing nationalist party.

Walaalkis he would dictators fight and die in office while carrying a gun and attack every one who questions their authority.2012 Somalia has an elected President with no dictatorship a different world a different time.

xiinfaniin;884695 wrote: ^^Source plz With all pleasure http://horseedmedia.net/2012/10/31/dowladda-puntland-oo-ku-amartay-dr-gaas-inuu-isaga-baxo-boosaaso/

You are welcome Apophis More pictures of Somalilands capital hargeysa

I get the feeling that the government in Mogadishu is focusing to much of its precious time on the juba regions. I mean today there were troubled situations in Hiiraan region a police commander was killed, Ethiopian troops came in with their armed vehicles the city is under curfew now.Fighting erupted near baydhabo, and few days ago another military commander was killed Somali artists are still being killed in Mogadishu. The country is still with out a government its seems like these guys have the time of their life. Sure they can comment on Kismayo here and there but the city is in good hands for now the government should set its priorities straight this is how the situation looks like now.

So faroole thinks that Abdiweli gaas shouldn't be allowed to visit his constituency or maybe the imam thinks Bosaaso is not cabdi welis constituency.

Dowladda Puntland oo ku amartay Dr. Gaas inuu isaga baxo Boosaaso.OCTOBER 31, 2012 17:19 29 Dr. Cabdweli Maxamed Cali (Gaas) oo si diiran loogu soo dhoweeyey Boosaaso. Boosaaso (HM) Waxaa maalmihii ugu danbeeyey safar ku marayey Deegaanada Puntland Raysal wasaarihii hore ee Soomaaliya hadana ah Xildhibaan ka tirsan Dowlada Federaalka Soomaaliya Dr. Cabdiweli Maxamed Cali (Gaas). Safarka Dr. Gaas ayaa ka soo bilaabmay Gobolka Mudug halkaas oo uu socdaalo kala duwan ku soo kala fidiyey gaar ahaan Degmooyinka Gaalkacayo & Galdogob wuxuuna uga soo gudbay Gobolada Nugaal, Karkaar & Bari oo uu haatan ku sugan yahay waxaana la filayaa inuu booqdo Deegaano ka baxsan Wadada laamiga ah ee Gobolka Bari & Degmooyin ka tirsan Gobolka Sanaag. Ujeedada Safarka Dr. Gaas. Xildhibaan Cabdiweli wuxuu ku sheegay ujeedada socdaalkiisa sidii uu ugu kuur geli lahaa xaalada Deegaanada Puntland oo uu ka tirsan yahay mudanayaasha wakiilka uga ah Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya maadama uusan fursad fiican oo uu Dalka dhan ku soo maro u helin wakhtigii uu ahaa Raysal wasaaraha oo u sheegay inuu ku mashquulsanaa meel marinta khariiradii (Ro’ad map) oo Soomaaliya looga saaray Ku meel gaarka. Ma sheegin Xildhibaanku inuu u sharaxn yahay Madaxtinimada Puntland ama uu ka rajo qabo inuu ku soo biiro masraxa Siyaasada Puntland kamana hadlin xiisada siyaasadeed ee hada ka taagan Puntland taas oo la xiriirta mudo kordhin ay samaysatay Xukuumada Madaxweyne Dr. Faroole. Walaaca Xukuumada. Xukuumada Puntland ayaa iyadu si weyn uga walaacsanayd safarka Dr. Gaas iyadoo u arkaysay mid khatartiisa leh marka loo eego muranka siyaasadeed ee hada ka taagan mudo kordhinta ay Hay’adaha Dowladu samaysteen taas oo dib u dhigaysa Doorashooyinka Madaxtooyada oo la filayey inay qabsoomaan 8 Jan, 2013 waloow Dadweynaha intiisa badan & Siyaasiyiintu ku doodayaan in doorashooyinka wakhtigoodii la qabto. Amarka Xukuumada. Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Bari wuxuu ku amray Dr. Gaas inuu isaga baxo Boosaaso Maanta (Arbaca) gelinkii hore Xukuumada Puntland ayaa ku amartay Raysal wasaarihii hore ee Soomaaliya Dr. Cabdiweli Maxamed Cali (Gaas) inuu isaga baxo Magaalada Boosaaso isla markaana safarkiisii uu ku marayey Gobolada Puntland uu joojiyo gebi ahaan. Kulan saaka ka dhacay Xarunta Gobolka Bari (Xafiiska Gudoomiyaha) Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Bari Cabdisamed Galan ayaa ku wargeliyey Dr. Gaas inuu isaga baxo magaalada Wasiirka Xanaanada Xoolaha Siciid Xasan Shire & Wasiir Ku xigeenka Maaliyada Cabdiraxmaan Maxamuud Xaaji Xasan oo labadu goob joog ka ahaa kulanka ayaa sheegay inaysan wax war ah kala socon Amarka lagu soo rogay Dr. Gaas hase ahaatee Gudoomiyaha Gobolka Bari ayaa isagu ku adkaystay in amarkaasi ka yimi Madaxda sare ee Dowlada (Madaxtooyada) loona baahan yahay in loo hogaansamo. Jawaabta Xildhibaan Gaas. Xildhibaan Cabdiweli Maxamed Cali (Gaas) ayaa ku gacan sayray inuu u hogaansamo amarka Xukuumada Puntland wuxuuna sheegay inuusan isaga bixi doonin Magaalada Boosaso isla markaana aanu joojin doonin Safarkiisa uu ku mari doono Deegaano ka tirsan Gobolada Bari & Sanaag. Xildhibaan Gaas ayaa ku dooday inuu yahay Muwaadin/ Masuul reer Puntland ah uuna xaq u leeyahay inuu si xor ah ugu dhex noolaado Deeganada Puntland ama ugu kala safro . Wuxuu sheegay inuusan jirin denbi uu Dalka ka galay uuna xaq u leeyahay inuu xogogaal u noqdo Xaalada dhabta ah ee ay ku noolyihiin Bulshada reer Puntland oo uu ka mid yahay mudanayaasha u metela Aqalka Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya isala markaana wax kasta oo dhaca uusan isaga bixi doonin Boosaaso sida ay Horseed Media u xaqiijiyeen ilo goob joob joog ka ahaa kulanka. Qado sharaf loo sameeyey Dr. Gaas. Gacansatada & Waxgaradka Gobolka Sanaag ayaa maanta u sameeyey Dr. Gaas Qado sharaf taas oo lagaga arinsanayey booqashada uu ku tegi doono maalmaha soo socda Gobolka Sanaag . Goob jooge ku sugnaa kulanka dhex maray Odayaasha reer Sanaag & Xildhibaan Gaas oo ka dhacay Hoteel Juba – Boosaaso wuxuu u sheegay goor dhoweyd Horseed Media in ay odayaashu ku dhiiri geliyeen xildhibaanku inuu booqdo Gobolka iyagoo canbaareeyey Go’aanka Xukuumada Madaxweyne Faroole ku gaartay in aanu xildhibaanku booqan Gobolka Sanaag uuna isaga baxo Degmada Boosaaso. Waxaa ka mid ahaa Isimadii maanta ka soo qayb galay qado sharafta loo sameeyey Xildhibaanka Garaad Cabdulaahi Cali Ciid oo ka mid ah Isimada ugu caansan Puntland. Amar dhicisoobay. Maxamuud Beeldaaje & Cabdicasiis Siciid Gacameey. Xukuumada Puntland ayaa horay u soo amartay in la soo xiro 12 xubnood oo ka tirsan Siyaasiyiinta, Gacansatada & Waxgardka Gobolka Bari kuwaas oo horay xilal kala duwan uga soo qabtay Xukuumadi Gen. Cade & Xukuumada hada talada haysa ee Dr. Faroole waxaana ka mid ahaa xubnahaas Taliyihii hore ee Ciidamada Booliska Xukuumadi Cade Cabdicasiis Siciid Gacamey & Maxamuud Beeldaaje oo ka soo qabtay Xukuumada Madaxweyne Faroole Wasiiru Dowlaha Ganacsiga & Duqa Degmada Boosaso, Ganacsade Liibaan Maxamad Yuusuf (Liibaan Dheere) iyo rag kale oo caanka ah Puntland. Amarka lagu soo xirayo xubnahaa ayaa noqon waayey mid dhaqan gal ah.

Its not a registered vote like in 2010 so people present in Somaliland are able to vote if they go there for a holiday during the election season. How ever if they are from the diaspora they need to show their Somaliland ID card or Somaliland passport than they have a chance to vote. But you cant vote from America or the UK or Australia. Ucid Dalsan Umada Wadani Kulmiye Xaqsoor These are the parties only 3 will go through and become actual legitimate Somaliland parties.

Not sure yet i was expecting more from Kulmiye in 2010 but i will keep my options open for now.

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