Buuba is different adeer didn't we talk about it he never flipflopped never supported Somaliland always a unionist Sifir is a flipflopper he was a deputy prime minister of Somalia in 2007 he is now an ambassador for Somaliland. And abdulqadir to that is if they appoint him as deputy Minister if the news is true so far its just rumors. Fawziyaa is an opportunist she just wanted a job but she is a very pro Somaliland she is not even certain about SL and Somalia unity.

No other Puntland in southern Somalia simply means no autonomous state in Kismayo yes to a federal state. I just used Puntland as an example i wasn't suggesting Puntland going to the south far from it:D

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Not really Abdilqadir talyani was a deputy of the Kulmiye party the same way sifir was once. And Mohammad cumar carte never held a position in the Somaliland government Muhammad raage DG denied going to Mogadishu today

Yes you are correct two regions or more can form their own state but that's not what we are discussing we are talking about what people think of a federal state right now Somalia is far from a federal country. No where did i say a federal state cant be established according to the constitution i just made a clear distinction of what a federal state is and a semi autonomous state clearly you don't see the difference.

Aaliyaah SNM initially started off as a unionist movement but because SNM was a very democratic organization and it was funded by Somalilanders they went along with what the people wanted. Buuba left Somaliland when Somaliland declared independence he said this was not what he fought for i have met Buuba a few times the man has some kind of obsession with mega Somali republic. Aaliyaah the idea of an independent Somaliland was presented at the conference in burco SNM didn't want an independent Somaliland at first. But when a group of Somalilanders joined the conference and started talking about that Somaliland is maybe better of as an independent state. People started welcoming this idea it was the people at the conference who had the last say and not the SNM.

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Exactly Puntland used to send its resources to Baydhabo when was that when Cabdilahi Yusuf was the President of the TFG. How come they are hardly involved in state building in Somalia how come they hardly contribute in fighting alshabaab in Somalia. How come they don't send some of its police forces to south and central Somalia to help Amisom and the Somali troops to fill the vacuum. I don't see how you make the link between Hiiraan and Puntland. Hiiraan is not an autonomous state it falls directly under the jurisdiction of President hassan sheikh Mahamuud. The constitution doesn't say Puntland is a federal state or Jubaland is a federal state or hiiraan state is a federal state, the constitution merely says that the country Somalia is a federal republic it doesn't say Somalia is a country of autonomous states. it doesn't talk in details about Jubbaland Puntland Galmudug.

Puntland has its own government own cabinet own Police force own coast guards its own Military their own flag It has its own foreign policy the federal government has no say what happens in Puntland it cuts ties when ever it likes with the federal government and than mahiga has to rush and mediate between Puntland and the federal government Imagine the state of NewYork cutting ties with the white house. It just shares the Somalia name i am not sure how you define federalism but that's not how it really works. Hiiraan governor was appointed by Sh sharif, galmudug wants to be similar to Puntland they just have less capacity and they just control a smaller territory.

Its seems Alshabaab is back.

Aaliyyah;888361 wrote: Mr. Xaaji Somaliland declared its so called independence in 1991 right? If as you claimed Buuba (despite being a senior member of the snm faction) was a unionist did he go to hamar in 1991 and opposed Somaliland from the get-go ??.. or was he one of the men la cadhoodey Mr.Tuur ? oo ay hamar danahoodi u aadeen markay ka wayeen hargaisa wixi ay rabeen... Aaaliyaah when the Somalilanders declared independence in 1991 Buuba disagreed with it and resigned from the central committee of the SNM. He moved to saudi arabia left Hargeysa he never supported an independent Somaliland not during the SNM struggle in the 80s not when the Somalilanders declared independence in 1991 and not now.

Jacpher Puntland is an autonomous state allied to the federal government it doesn't come under the jurisdiction of the federal government. I never said Puntland cant be part of the federal republic in order to be part of the federal republic the country needs to turn into a federal republic not just on constitution. I said the President doesn't want another semi autonomous state south of his capital. But he would support a federal state in Jubbaland and he is been supporting a state in Kismayo as long as his government is involved.

I agree cawil is correct nothing special about Fawziya haaji we should focus just on the next phase of talks between Somaliland and Somalia.

Jacpher;888350 wrote: Xaaji: So you are saying PL can no longer exist under the federal republic of Somalia?? They can ofcourse they can but they should help build the Somali national army and the Somali national institutions, Somalia should not be the united autonomous states of Somalia. There should be one national army but there still can strong police forces in the federal states Somalia today is far from a federal country. Puntland is a semi autonomous state Galmudug is also a semi autonomous state and Jubaland is about to be established.

NGOGNE no one is talking about unity with Somalia just because they appointed a lady who happens to be from Somaliland this is not something new. The goodwill is still there i think we have better partner in dialogue than all the other previous Presidents of Somalia. But that said the Somaliland government should always be vigilant of what can happen never trust the smiles and the beer xanuuns of the Koonfurians. My opinion is the talks would have not been better if they appointed omaar or buubaa. NGONGE the Koonfurians will always appoint a Somalilander in their cabinets they have been doing that the past 21 years.

Jacpher the president will support a federal state under the federal government but no to semi autonomous states.

We should welcome the new foreign Minister Fawziya Yusuf haaji Adan.

NGONGE not everything is as black and white as it seems President hassan wanted new faces in his government and this lady was just standing out there to be picked, she contesting for the top seat in Somaliland is irrelevant she wasn't forced to be the FM of Somalia. What difference does it make if she was picked or Buubaa was picked the FM would have been some one from Somaliland. So far the message coming from Mogadishu towards Hargeysa - We will talk to Somaliland - We want a healthy union between Somaliland and Somalia - We dont believe in a forced union - Somaliland government is the sole representative of the former British Somaliland protectorate - Of the 10 ministers appointed in Somalia one is from Somaliland that should send u a clear message.

NGONGE thats not true fawziya might have failed in somaliland politics but if she works for xaasan sheikh and the koonfurians i dont see a problem. Fawziya is not even certain about the whole unity of sl and somalia how harmful can she be. Xassan sheikh so far didnt take any steps towards somaliland that are alarming so far. So far everything is going smoothly hassand and silanyo already had their chit chat. As for kismayo he needs to chill out a bit there he should just make sure the federal state comes under him and not another puntland he should use gen diini and the pm as the face of the govt in those regions.

In canada crying why they didnt get a minister position in the xamar govt.

Ayoup kulmiye and co

Abwaanoow anigu sudaanta ma keenin abwaanow maxaad iga dusha saaraysa sidan sheegey ninku xogaha buufis wu qabay waxna run wa ka sheegey dhanka federalismka iyo inu cadalaad rabo.

^^ Hey dukey easy why you attacking me i don't mind my friend as long as the train keeps on riding and you know the destination than its all fine with me.

He made some good points about how a federal Somalia should be constructed but he also paranoid thinking that there are people out there to get him. Also a very supportive audience there as for you're question i don't think people are against Jubbaland they just don't know what they can expect that's all.

Carafaat never understood ur dislike for Djibouti what do you have against Djibouti its people and its President.