But the other guy is from Puntland right i really enjoyed the debate. Fantastic yaa baqanaya dadki isma aminayaan, bal no sheeg cidi baqanaysa and the other geologist guy says anigu ma baqanayo dadka baqanaya weydi:D

Hey Somalia is the other guy a HAG guy or from bay and bakool

Mayaa dadka qaar gudoomiyasha qaar hal wanaagsan uma so wadan ma af yaqanin xita marka waxa fiican in ucid ama xaqsoor ama wadani ay so baxaan. Taasi maha inay dawladu samayneyso xisbiyo mucaraad ah

:D:D I would have love to see that alpha.

i don't think that works in the long term having provincial admins and semi autonomous states , dalku marka wuxu noqonaya dal kala si jeeda. Time will tell whether the people establish federal states or not the next four years in Somalia will be crucial.

Oba be careful Edna adna is a member of this party 2:D

Carafaat;892701 wrote: Xaaji, adiga iyo Siilanyo isku dookh ayaa tihiin ma is tiri. Danta qaranka ku jirta

Yeaah wu is dabo qabtay The skinny guy in xamar the intellectual by the name jimcaale said that clan federalism is worse than Somalilands independence claim:D

Hadu edeb daro bilaabo Mahiga Siilaanyo should make Somaliland a no go zone for Mahiga just like what cigaal did with steverson in the 90s.

Abwaan JB is right there is a difference between armed warfare between various tribes , and a government killing its own people. Abwaan no one is withholding you from going to the international courts all over the world to file a lawsuit case, against an alleged war criminal. I don think JB said his people were the only people who were murdered. Ofcourse there were other cases but no one is stopping them to seek justice?

Yes they are

Shabeel one shabeel 2 waxa lo sameye dadkay cunayaan:D

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Haatu to make a long story short he is against Clan autonomous states because it will fasten the balkanization of Somalia heaven forbid and Kenya and Ethiopia will benefit from that.

^^ Never

The wrangling over the roadmap for establishing administrations at the city, district, regional, state and federal levels in Lower Jubba, Middle Jubba and Gedo regions mostly still under Al Shabab control proves my criticisms against the constitution making process. Under clan prejudice clouds or exclusion (adversary) rule, the President and the Prime Minister are now under relentless attack by the principal contributors of Wardheernews Website after the president claimed legitimate leadership role in the internal and external affairs of Somalia, including Jubbaland administration and reiterated the charcoal ban imposed by the UN Security Council. The president has been summarily and degradingly rebuffed by the Ras Kamboni spokesman. With regard to the charcoal, the expected action of the federal government was to send a delegation to Kismaio, take stock of the charcoal inventory, its value, the identity of the exporters and importers, the tax surcharge, modalities of payments and money transfer and discussion with the local population on the present and future expectations so that it can develop policy options. Armed with that information, the federal government was supposed to engage the UN Security Council for a satisfactory resolution of the matter within the legal framework in place. Unfortunately, the federal government has been deprived of that opportunity after the federal delegation has been turned back from Kismaio airport by the Kenyan forces. The public opinion on the incident has been summarized by Amin Amir’s cartoon (see fig 1). The PC recognizes the eighteen (18) regions and their districts which existed on January 1991. It directs the federal government to make sure that the requirements of the constitutional provisions are complied with by all before the formation of federal member states is undertaken. Thus, establishing the administrations of the 18 regions and their districts has priority over the discussion about FMS. Appointments of temporary respected leaders are more favorable for giving time and space to all interested parties for fair participation and peaceful transition to permanent solution that guarantees peace, rule of law, democratic practice and economic development. The end of the transition period and the ratification of the PC have been built on the understanding that the majority of Somalis has embraced and internalized the deliberations of the national reconciliation conferences and shared transitional governments during the last 12 years for better future of all Somalis. Consequently, as tribute to the end of transition, the federal government must be able to appoint a task force teams working in each region along side the local authorities and to assume the control of ports and airports of all Somalia. These measures would enhance the hope for the revival of shared national government under amended PC. Clan institutionalized federalism is a national failure. Many independent researchers have extensively and conclusively illustrated the failure of the ethnic based federalism adopted by Ethiopia in 1995. More importantly, Somalia and Ethiopia are neighbors with long term cooperation interests but with different socio-economic, historical and cultural backgrounds. It is a waste of time, opportunity and energy for the Somali people to undertake such a failed experiment considering the incompatibility between clan and citizenship perspectives and obligations enshrined in the PC. Common identity above clan identity must be the focus of the “national government” at all levels. Ultimately, change of the endemic opportunistic culture of the present Somali generation for immediate personal gains is key to a brighter future for Somalia. Mr. Mohamud M Uluso

IGAD Strategy for Jubbaland creates ghetto satellites in Somalia President Hassan asks FG delegation turned back from Kismaio what happened and FG delegation replied “we lacked visa.” The two old men behind are surprised by the news that FG needs visa for Kismaio from the Kenyan Government. Mohamud M. Uluso Thursday, November 22, 2012 Besides terrorism threats, the federal government of Somalia faces other threats emanating from three different but self-reinforcing sources. These threats would derail the achievement of peace, stability and self governance in Somalia. The first threat is what the former national security advisor of President Jimmy Carter Administration, Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski called “the geopolitically most endangered states.” He argues that the security and sovereignty of weaker states located geographically next to major regional powers is at risk if the US power declines because the international stability depends on the international status quo reinforced by America’s global preeminence. Somalia typifies the most endangered state of all. The source is the geopolitical strategy of Somalia’s neighbors for managing the liberated areas from Al Shabab, which creates ghetto satellites in Somalia and eradicate citizenship identity. Ethiopia plays dual roles, the overall coordination role of IGAD strategy and the lead role for the satellites of Somaliland, Puntland, Khatumo, Galmudug, Himan and Heeb, Ahlu Sunna Wal Jama, and Bay and Bakol (South West). The governance of Middle Shabelle, Lower Shabelle and Benadir regions are left for Uganda and Burundi. Kenya and Ethiopia share the lead role for Jubbaland (Azanialand) area. Djibouti shares the lead role with Ethiopia in Dohada Shabelle (Hiiran) area. Clan militias are trained for each area by Ethiopia or the lead country or by foreign security company. The federal government forces and the AMISOM forces are trained and funded by US and European Union without transparency and sustainability considerations. A consortium led by the United Nations Political Office for Somalia (UNPOS) manages the Federal Government with the help of AMISOM forces (Uganda and Burundi). Another consortium led by IGAD (Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti) manages the Federal Member States (FMS) - myriads of clan based satellites (states), with the help of Ethiopian and Kenyan forces operating under their governments’ direction. In addition, Ethiopia and Kenya have concluded on November 20, 2012 a special security cooperation towards Somalia. The federal government has no effective role in the security, financial and political planning and decisions on Somalia made in Addis Ababa, Nairobi and New York. These parallel regional and international interventions are to exacerbate the fragmentation of Somalia. The second threat is the sabotage of the international support for rebuilding Somalia. The source is the scholars who are promoting the “hybrid-government or mediated state model” of governance for Somalia. This model frees donors from the moral and political responsibility as it provides the legal avoidance of supporting the state building agenda which requires the combination of nationally owned plan with massive foreign assistance. Those scholars prescribe placebo to Somalia diagnosed with terminal cancer symptoms. Thus, Somalia is subjected to a discriminatory approach compared to the successful approaches (treatment) applied to many failed states in other parts of the world. The third threat is a continuous political paralyzes. The source is the divisive federalism of the Provisional Constitution (PC) embedded in the Somali politics. The foreign driven federalism under the slogan to overcome clan injustices and conflicts is feeding clan divisions and political conflicts. Although the federal parliament started amending or suspending same of the PC provisions like 7 (3) (international boundary dispute), 67 (dissolution of parliament), 89 (election of president), and 135 (mandates and timelines for priority institutions and independent commissions), the federalism of the PC inspires chaos, citizenship betrayal and disunity. The Somali people remember the flourishing of officially entombed tribalism which finally dismantled without trace the Somali State. They have seen the horror of civil war, the Green Line in Mogadishu and the one now existing in Galka’io city, the secession of Somaliland, the Khatumo and Himan and Heb states’ drive to stand separate from Puntland and Galmudug States respectively. The clan-caused injustices that have plagued Somalia cannot be overcome through clan federalism. If there is one truth recognized by the international community at the end of the constitution making process in Somalia is the admission that the proposed federalism is an issue that has not been settled among Somalis. Thus, the invocation of federalism for establishing the administration of Kismaio city and district is premature and without credible ground. What is more dangerous is the empowerment of clan militia for local democratic administration given the Somali political experience. The PC assigns the responsibilities related to establishing local administrations, foreign affairs, national security and defense, immigration and citizenship, and monetary and fiscal policies to the federal government. Indeed, local authorities are constitutionally prohibited from having any working relationship with foreign actors outside the federal government institutions. On the other hand, in exercising its responsibilities to lead, represent and defend the national unity and public interests, the federal government must respect the democratic process and norms which are antithetical to the concentration of power in the capital Mogadishu or in the hands of the central authority. However, the federal government faces the reality that the Somali local authorities, rebel movement leaders and forces are influenced by their foreign patrons like IGAD and not by the spirit and content of the PC and sense of patriotism. I’m glad I offered my views about the right path for the constitution making process in Somalia for the purpose of securing genuine national reconciliation, public support, loyalty and common understanding about the political framework for rebuilding the national institutions. At the end, the United Political Office for Somalia (UNPOS) published officially the PC[1] and the guide book to the PC[2].

Sanaag ceerigaabo

Caasimada Somaliland Hargeysa gobolka maroodijeex

Yes its near the border its important.

^It seems the Ethiopians were this time not involved but they will be back it was the aswj militia and Somali troops.

Beled-Xaawo (RBC Radio) Wararka naga soo gaarayo magaalada Beled-Xaawo ee gobalka Gedo ayaa sheegaya in Al-Shabaab ay maanta weerrartay saldhigyo ay joogeen ciidamada dowladda Soomaaliya ee ku sugan gobalkaas. Dagaalka oo socday dhowr saacdood ayaa la soo sheegayaa in uu geestay khasaaro xooggan, laakin ma cadda inta uu la egyahay. Sarkaal u hadlay maamulka dowladda ee Beled-xaawo ayaa u sheegay saxaafadda in dib loo riixay ciidamadii soo weerraray magaalada. Wuxuu ka gaabsaday inta uu la egyahay khasaaraha soo kala gaaray labada dhinac ee halkaas ku dagaalamay. Xaalladda magaalada ayaa caawa deggan, laakin waxa ka socda howlgalo ay halkaas ka wadaan ciidamada dowladda iyo kuwa AMISOM. Al-Shabaab dhowr jeer ayey weerrar ku qaaday goobo ay joogaan ciidamada dowladda iyo kuwa Ahlu Sunna oo ku yaalla gobalka Gedo. Al-Shabaab weli waxay gacanta ku heysaa xarunta gobalka ee Baardheere, laakin dhowr magaallo ayaa laga qabsaday. RBC Radio Xafiiska Wararka Muqdisho

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Che -Guevara;892574 wrote: Somaliland has ultra-nationalist party? Yeah they do it not a party yet but it will next week most likely they have the biggest supporters

Part 2 Borama Awdal