Haatu;909938 wrote: Somaliland isn't occupied and won't lose anything by joining Somalia. so what's the problem? It just came out of occupation 1991 its like you wining independence and than join the occupier again makes no sense

Carafaat you should be ashamed of you're self comparing Somaliland to a mere province of kenya with no universities airports roads basic infrastructure and no autonomy whats so ever. Ofcourse Haatu will not fight the Kenyans he has no power to do so atleast his Kin in the O'gaden region are a bit braver and they have universities and roads and airports. War dagaalama wa intaydaba dhiman ba weydan eh.

Carafaat;909920 wrote: Biggest hypocrit. Kulahaa Kenya has better service. Iskaa daa Haatu shaqada Kenya u fiican i wont blame him kenya is a rich country why would he give up his home and move to Somalia.

QansaxMeygaag;909922 wrote: You are only accentuating my case - the two were together (call it an empire if you want), they were forced apart by circumstances (cold war), but came back together again. SL and Somalia voluntarily came together and were forced apart by a terrible civil war, now that things are changing - touch wood - why should it be so difficult to accept the notion that they can and should come together again, especially when the entire world is slowly moving into regional economic blocs and willingly ceding sovereignty for economic and political benefit e.g EU?? I dont think the people of Somaliland will object against economic integration its welcome let business flourish let we form a block in the horn of Africa not just Somaliland and Somalia but other countries in the region to The movement of people the same way in Europe while respectable countries keep their sovereignty but they cooperate on all fields and there are no limits. The Germans had a civilization that kept them together for centuries people of Somalia and Somaliland were missing that fundamental factor. The whole union was to achieve an Empire it wasn't based an previous Empire while the German story was totally different. Somaliland and Somalia had two distinct histories before colonialism after colonialism a short union and now after 22 years they went their separate ways. If you ask me Somalia and Somaliland were apart for so long than that they were united so cant be compared to Deutschland.

Rahima;909914 wrote: XX, Well of course you would think Somalia needs SL more! A lot of the time i find that fellow Somalis object to SL not because of any specific attachment or obsession (which is beyond insulting btw) but because of all the contested areas. What exactly is SL? Does it include Awdal for example, because we all know that many from that region view SL as a temporary notion. Are they being forced into an independence they do not want? You are right about identities though, when i think of Hargeysa i don't think of it the same way as i do Kismaayo, Baidoa, Mogadishu or Bossaso. No ill feelings, just being honest. Obviously the SL/Somalia thing has affected even those of us from Somalia. STOIC, I see your point but it will be very hard to overcome such feelings. Of course it would be nice if we could (heck i hope for the unification for the entire Ummah) but we just aren't ready for it yet and i doubt we will be any time soon. I think some how Somalia is more attached to Somaliland i dont know what it is i have no words for it it doesnt mean people of Somalia are bad its just that they cant help it. The people of Somalia are not attached to the O'gaden region or NFD or Djibouti but they are attached to Somaliland. Somaliland is just one part of the so called Somaliweyn. I some how think that Somalia is more attached to Somaliland than Ethiopia was to Eritrea, even though Eritrea landlocked Ethiopia. When the people of Somalia object to Somaliland they are not against it because they think it will hurt Somalia but there is something else. I speak to all sort of Somalis those in Kenya matter infact there are Kenyan Somali politicians who support Somaliland independence Haatu's uncles. So i think the 30 year union had a big effect on the people of Somalia also on the people of Somaliland but for different reasons afcourse.

QansaxMeygaag;909905 wrote: So why did West Germany unite with East Germany if your logic is to be followed? One could argue there was nothing in it for the West Germans, if anything they has to subsidize the East for a very long time, and I believe they still do... Because the Germans had an Empire in 16 century which even included Austria and other parts and in 1870 the Empire was led by William the first and latter William the 3rd it was easy for them revive their old Empire after the cold war they were divided because of a geopolitical cold war between the west and the east. Somaliland and Somalia never shared a country only between 1960 and 1991 its a whole different case different civilization different continent different history different people thus incomparable.

Its both its about what is good for you're country interests economy security and its also about trust grievances i have seen the old Somalia the new Somaliland. I think some how Somalia needs Somaliland more than Somaliland needs Somalia. Its Somalia that's more attached to the Union sometimes obsessed not you Rahima there are many like you who believe in live and let live. But sometimes i think its not that they are not rational. But a Somali republic with out Somaliland they cant think of that it doesn't come into their mind. Its more psychological attachment they have with Somaliland ever since Somalias independence first of July was the day of the union they cant think of a day Somaliland was not there. So its hard for them to let go but i think with time this process will be loosened up a bit since Somalilands re-independence in 1991 the people of Somalia lived with out Somaliland. So there will be less political cultural attachment to Somaliland. Give it a few more years and no one will ever remember the union.Keep in mind 70% of SL population are below the age of 35 i think this is the same with Somalia. The 2 people have adopted unintentionally different identities the past 2 decades so i think its destiny.

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Ofcourse you live in this world every one does but you're nation comes first than the world its good to have diplomatic muscle but you should have a good organized Somali country that can sustain and protect its self and its sovereignty its people and should have territorial control. Other than that you have really nothing, Somaliland is trying to win recognition when the country they were united with once is a play ground for AU troops. Now the IC opened talks for Somaliland and Somalia to clarify their future relations lets see how that goes. Somaliland is still in very pretty good shape controls 90% of its territory has relations with the neighboring countries institutions in tact, have larger budget than Somalia. Held over 3 democratic elections and the last one was held even in the eastern sool region which was once disputed area between Somaliland and the garowe clan enclave. All in all Somaliland functions as a normal state , Somaliland doesn't need assistance from the west nor AU troops to protect its president. Somaliland mission is different it wants to become an official member of the International community. The two countries Somalia and Somaliland are fighting two separate wars my friend you were not that long ago forced to have a mandate no my friend you are not there not even close. When you have you're country intact is the day you can boost about achievements.

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Union should be beneficial for both sides geopolitical economically security this seems to be not the case union with Somalia was given a chance 30 years it failed miserably why repeat the same mistake all over again makes no sense. Why Unite with a poor country when you can unite with a strong state as that of Ukraine with a gdp of $344.727 billion dollars, if we talking about unity. I don't think when we talk about unity religion plays a major role Turkey wants to be part of the EU Morocco wants to cooperate with the EU in one of their trade unions. Somalilanders in the 50s were maybe dumb and naive thinking Unity with Somalia would benefit them the old generation feels ashamed because its their fault that Somaliland is fighting to secure dejure recognition in 2013. While they had the chance 52 to years ago real easy. But some how think it was a lesson for the people of Somaliland never trust some one blindly. They put Pan Somalism before their own interest Djibouti didn't and i swear by god if the people of O'gaden region were given the chance to be free of Ethiopia they would never join with Somalia. But that doesnt mean Somalilanders are disliking people of Somalia, it just means ino kala sooca geela:D

if you respect you're self people will respect you.

The problem with how you people think is you put to much weight into the rest of the world you don't look how the domestic affairs of you're country are being administrated. Yes you have a seat at the AU one in IGAD A.L. But it means nothing on the ground when there is no unity among you're own people you can get as much support from the west and they might even give you the legitimacy you need. But at the end of the day you have to do it you're self. No one will do it for you, right now Puntland supports the government for what it is but the Government doesn't control Puntland its a semi autonomous state they rather consider them allies to the govt. If you look back in history during the Siyad bare regime he could care less about how the world viewed his country dictatorship or not he made an alliance with Soviet union then kicking them out and leaned towards Washington. Right now you are just repeating what the the folks in Somalia say beesha calaamku hana caawiso while aad adigu rabin inad is caawisid only you can come out of this mess unless you want the AMISOM troops to stay for ever.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/28593047

Its funny the Somaliland clans you can easily use biblical terms like the Mozes ishamel clan of Erigavo. Or the Mozes Abdulah Clan from saahil. Or the White cow Moses clan from Hargeysa and gabiley. But nuune is right its not the correct thing to do Alpha always remember we are family no matter what happens the bond between brothers is unbreakable didn't the holy man of mait tell his children that lol. And ofcourse mi casa su casa.

oba hiloowlow;909719 wrote: make up your mind dee where are you from kilil 5 or seylac? My mother is from seylac my father from the other part now dont make it to personal, my father didnt had a real home he was a nomad go from village to village.

Alpha Jesus muse clan thinks Berbera saahil is like their little Kingdom Governor mayor Military port manager you name it:D East burco is expanding Xirsi and his clan do you want me to give you guns:D If i can have my restaurant in berbera bar and everything.

i have been to madrassa in aware occupied territory Dhagaxbuur district

Kikuyo Favorite butler:D The butlers dont want to join Somalia there are no jobs for them in Somalia:D

Waryaaa alpha since when does berbera belong to you're Folks east Burco is coming for berbera prepare loool By the way i am not from hargeysa i am from seylac my clan are reer xebeed

Nuune wa runta JB said i am not a Somalilander i am actually a pretender:D which is fine

Sorry i got little bit carried away but this issue will be dealt with these people have grievances they just want Siilaanyo to listen to them. And Siilaanyo and his personal body guard xiirsi they're completely ignoring them.They don't really want the criminal court to chase oday Siilaanyo. I have to go now i have to feed my gold fish. Wardigi na wu ii sugaya be well Che.

These people are cry babies Siilaanyo needs to send the military and shut them up if you dont want to listen it has to go the hard way Ingriis iyo ba la taga bay baratay iyo waxba la dacweyaa.

Loooooool its a bluff Che

Haatu;909628 wrote: Nin daad qaadey xumbo cuskay It's not too late to join the Somaliweyn ferry boys. That way you could save some face and say you conceded for Somaliweyn not for the South :D Since when is Somalia , Somaliweyn why do people consider Somalia , Somaliweyn Why dont you say its never to late to join Somalia Not that Somaliland will join Somalia. they rather join Ukraine than join Somalia