Somalis are far from blessed having Big land in the Horn of Africa resources are also Minimum means little . But dadku waxay isku dhaafeen wax qabad eeh maha we are blessed ama cursed.in lugu murmu, Waxaasi wa qalbi caruur wa adigo is og inad fool xuntahay intad murayaada hor istaagtid tidhahdid waleh waan qurux badanahay ma anigo kale. Somalidu wa noocaas niyaday isu dhisaan wax jirin Somalia iyo Somaliland xoriyadi waxay qateen 1960 maantana iyaga ugu liita markay dhaqaalo mashaaric dhismaha dalka eegtid siday umadu u nooshahay, u eeg qaarada africa oo dhan, Djibouti 1977 xoriyaada qaadatay iyadguna waxba isla ma hayso.

Some people really dont get it cigaal silanyo tuur were the closest union matter infact vast majority of snm were unionist The. People said no to mogadsiho not the politicians some people really think the politicians are holding people hostage. Its not like that my friend go to somaliland speak to the people snm wanted some fair union in 1991 But the people said mogadisho has nothing to offer us eeh ina goyaa

Lol after afew pages we still havent agreed so far one person from somalia said let the people. Of somaliland decide their own future rahima. The rest is still against i hope the real talks. Will not go like this lol Sometimes i think the sl and somalia issue is the easiest to solve since somalia will not lose anything meaningful And a few min later i thinks its harder than the palestinian israeli conflict.

Somali standards are low this is how african capitals look like Nairobi Luanda Angola Harare Zimbabwe Johannesburg south Africa Addis ababa Asmara

I think they are cursed

DoctorKenney;910387 wrote: I'm sure the various provinces of China should also secede from China and declare "independence" after the atrocities committed by Chairman Mao Zedong and his regime in the 1970's. The people of Somaliland seem to forget that Siad Barre was a dictator. He killed and tortured thousands of members of Abdullahi Yusuf's clan but you don't see them renouncing their connection to the Somali Republic. Thats not the reason why Somaliland re declared its independence thats just one of the sacrifices the people of SL made to win their sovereignty something no one can take from them now. The Independence struggle started just after the Union when SL officers staged a coup in 1961. The union died the moment it was conceived in the hearts and minds of Somaliland. Somaliland was just considered as any other regions of Somalia like hiiraan or Mudug. No sharing of power between Somalilanders and Koonfurians. The Koonfurians took the President the Prime Minister the head of the Military and police commander and 95% of the cabinet positions. Than Adan cade came with the idea to place Somaliland troops in the south and Koonfurians troops in Somaliland. This was automatically seen as some sort of occupation. Than the corruption in the constitutional elections where one district of the south had more voters than the entire woqoyi galbeed region,the famous district Wanleweyn. When we all know the vast majority of the SL population rejected that constitution and voted no, but it was still pushed by the regime of Mogadishu. Than the Military regime took over and we went to war with Ethiopia and we all know what happened than the liberation struggle began. So the entire union of history between SL and Somalia was negative, and thats how the union failed. President cigaal explained it very well in details how it all went after all he was the one who made that awful Union. He regretted his mistake.

Haatu;910383 wrote: ^No no. Wrong again. Siyaad Barre and his government did it. Don't blame a whole country for the actions of a dictator. Wasn't that the Somali government Golaha shacabka kacaanka Somaliyeed maxan maqli jiray.

^^ That can be worked out since the people of Sanaag are not one clan but various clans and families living together these people lived together before colonialism and during colonialism and after independence and after Somaliland reclaimed its independence. In Sanaag there was a special conference held in 1993 hosted by the SL government at that time. And that's how people are living together today in peace and stability. We should know what clan or community has grievances before we can examine the core problem , there is no distrust between the people of Sanaag unlike in Kismayo where one predominant clan lives and people believe in the Somalia unity fought over that city since early 90s up to 2007. There was a war though in Sanaag in Somali there is a difference between Colaad iyo Nacayb. In the 80s there were wars several wars but that was colaad created and not nacayb seated.I would give the people who have some sort of grievances a special ear and work some sort of deal may it even be a autonomous status if it came to it. not just Sanaag but even berbera or any other region of SL. A decentralized system is perfect for Somaliland now we have a highly centralized regime hargeysa. Doctor in the 90s i honestly believed that there could be some sort of a union if both sides were honest but every year that passes by i see the chances declining whether recognition comes or not. Since 2007 i found out living together how we once did as brothers and sisters the past cant be reached any more. Just go to you tube and type in Somaliland 18 may parties and read the comments below between Somalilanders and non Somalilanders its almost frightening and most of these are kids are in their early 20s.

Carafaat believes in Cushetic Weyne

^ Fair point but Somalia did that.

I believe in Somaliweyn to but in the form of the European union, i dont think the O'gaden region and NFD region cant or shouldn't be part of Somalia or Somaliland. But cooperation between the different Somali countries and the movement of people thats the only feasible way to achieve Somaliweyn.

Richard dowden said he visited hargeysa in 1991 and he has never seen a city so destroyed and look at Somaliland today.

STOIC iskaa daa Somaliweyn Haatu ba wu iska nacay you're fellow suijuwi hada azania bu duuliyaa. Adigana waxa lagaga bahanyahay inad salaada faisal cali waraabe ku xidhatid:D

i some how think that's him unless he has a twin brother look how his bidaar is shaped exactly the same the fore heads are identical. i just cant measure his ears if i could do that i would know certainly that's him. They have the same hawk nose. But we still don't know if its him or not well not 100%.

i am starting to like STOIC even more these days:D

We cant know for sure thats him but they do have the same fore head.

I was born a free man i was never ordered in my life and i dont think no one can ever order the Xaaji around:D

How about giving Somaliland the chance to vote for independence like Quebec did they failed but give Somaliland the same chance. I am for a union a lose union call it what ever you want or a confederation as long as an official Exist referendum is given to the people of SL. And i think that's something Siilaanyo can sell to his people.

Iska hadlow ina igarre:D

Forget about Kulmiye or the previous government our foreign policy has its deep holes since 1991 and its of concern but what are the alternatives to reach a point where we can say that sort of particular foreign policy will bear fruit for Somaliland i am more interested in that. I think its a bit risky what the Kulmiye govt did.But if we keep our selves at a point where we not moving forward or not making progress. Than people will wonder whats wrong with our policy or are our politicians incompetent to accomplish the mission?

loooool Horta are Ministers allowed to chew?

Maybe Puntland , but not Somaliland , Somaliland has a special status on how it deals with Somalia. Not to mention that AID was never given to Somaliland , you do know SL doesn't receive bilateral aid well only from Britain and Denmark. This is Somalilands agreement with Somalia Agreed to share experience on working more effectively with the international community on the use of development and humanitarian assistance for the people of both sides and called for the international community to increase that assistance;

Oodweyne wasn't it the brits their own conference that came with the whole talking to Somalia as a way out or some sort of solution. Or was attending the conference last year a bad thing to do. I still think though even though there is no clear time table with these talks that with in those talks some sort of agreement can be reached with the Koonfurians if the talks fail we can always go back to our self imposed isolation no one to hurt Somaliland and continue and take a different foreign policy. But i am sure this Hassan culusow guy is a very reasonable guy and isn't as obsessed with the Union as some of his predecessors. Somaliland just needs to play its cards well when these talks re start soon. And i am sure the International community will be in the center of these talks and they will be held in Europe or a Neutral African country in time we will know more about the SL and Somalia situation.

True oba has a point reer Puntland well atleast the one on SOL were against Sharif and wanted change now they have change:D

The Road to Economic Development; the case for Somaliland By: Mustafa M. Awjama, This work tries to pave the way for the achievement of a sustainable economic growth by taking into account the current position of the Somaliland economy and then compiles a set of recommendations for those agents including policy makers who are interested in improving the economy. Currently, Somaliland is in the stage of what Rostow called “the preconditions for take-off”. According to Rostow, the “preconditions for take-off”, the second stage of a five stage process, is characterised by the presence of entrepreneurs in the society and investors who are ready to invest ideas. In his paper Is there a proper sequence in Democratic transitions? Francis Fukuyama highlights that “Development is a complex process that takes place across multiple dimensions of Human life”, and that economic growth, the State, Rule of law and mechanisms of democratic accountability are just few of those several dimensions. In this paper I will focus on the economic side of that development process. Economic development is often understood as the transformation and improvement of a society’s standard of living and wellbeing. There is no universal strategy which succeeds the economic advancement for all nations and it is often up to that particular country to decide which way it takes to achieve its desired destination[1]. However, there is generally a correlation between state building and economic growth, between rule of law and growth, and between stable democracy and economic growth. Economists often emphasize technological progress and capital accumulation as the two main sources of economic growth. The logic behind this is very simple. An individual with an advanced technology is likely to produce more than an individual with a primitive technology. Similarly, an individual with more capital can produce more than an individual with less capital; the higher the capital per worker the higher the productivity. The good news is that it’s not hard these days to improve the state of technology for any given country due to technology diffusion which allows countries to adopt and replicate new technologies and know-how from other countries. We need to acknowledge that the underlying purpose for economic development is to increase the wellbeing of the individual and that per capita income is just one of several indicators. In addition to promoting the wellbeing of the individual policies should also be structured to narrow the inequality gap as a wider inequality gap might have political repercussions. By aiming to achieve steadily growing productivity, Governments closely watch some key factors which stimulate the economy including; Investment, consumer expenditure, what the Government spends, and the country’s Net exports to the rest of the world. Hence, in order for Somaliland to build its economy, a number of institutions and policies are needed to be in place. In here, I will present those policies and institutions which will assist Somaliland economy to develop and which will also take it to the next stage. I. Property Rights and Contract Enforcement The two aspects of the Rule of law, which restricts arbitrary decisions made by governments, that economists relate to economic growth are the Property rights and contract enforcement[2]. Reason being that no agent will make a long term investment unless their property rights are secured. It is conceivable that individuals are bound to face extra costs to defend their property where a property right does not exist. It is also arguable that economic efficiency requires the allocation of resources for those individuals who can utilize it.[3] With this respect investors in Somaliland might face several problems including tribalism which can hinder economic efficiency and can cause investors to seek protection from other agents. Though a resource has been allocated, it is highly unlikely that an individual from the east dares to make an investment in the west due to the disturbances caused by tribalism and vice versa. This is one example of why sustained contract enforcement comes in to the calculus of economic productivity. On one hand, the ability of the Somaliland state to enforce contracts needs to be established while on the other hand the ability of the state to make arbitrary decisions needs to be limited. When discussing property rights and contract enforcement the case of Zimbabwe can be a good example to refer where Ceil Rhodes’ company offered the land in order to attract settlers and where later Robert Mugabe redistributed the land just to hold on to power[4]. Whatever the reason has been for Zimbabwe, lack of property rights and contract enforcement can have disastrous effect on the economy. Somaliland will need to draft regulations of property rights in clear-cut terminologies and will also need to have a strong third party for arbitrations. II. Financial Institutions The fact that there are both entrepreneurs and people who want to invest in the country necessitates the establishments of financial institutions. “A healthy and vibrant economy requires a financial system that moves funds from people who save to people who have productive investment opportunities” (Mishkin, 2007). Before any step, Somaliland will need to establish a well functioning central bank. Apart from implementing the monetary and the exchange rate policies, the central bank is also required to supervise the banking sector and to act as the lender of last resort. In short, the central bank is the bank of the central government and the bank of all banks.[5] All financial institutions including banks, insurance companies, saving institutions and investment companies needs to be regulated by the government. One might take the so called “gain profit while sitting” project in 2009 as a good example which can clearly show the negative effects of lack of financial regulations in Somaliland. During the years this project had been operating in Somaliland, thousands of people saved their money without official agreements. All those who deposited their money were at the end screaming in the streets of Hargiesa claiming that the saving institution had disappeared and that their money had been lost. Therefore, since the failure of one bank can jeopardize the whole economy, financial institutions especially banks should be heavily regulated. According to Pilbeam (2005), the main objective of regulating financial markets is to promote stability, to keep the investors safe and to encourage fair competition in the market. All in all, as Brunnermeier (2009) said “one of the key purposes of bank regulation is to internalize the social costs of potential bank failures”. III. The Role of Diplomatic Missions in Promoting trade Diplomatic recognition cannot be said to be a precondition for economic development and lack of recognition does not exclude countries to pursue their economic growth goals. According to Shaw (2008), Recognition is merely “a method of accepting certain factual situations and endowing them with legal significance”. However, Somaliland arguably exists as a legal personality in international law. It has been emphasized that: “…Recognition may be viewed as constitutive or declaratory…, the former theory maintains that it is only through recognition that a state comes into being under international law, whereas the latter approach maintains that once the factual criteria of statehood have been satisfied, a new state exists as an international person, recognition becoming merely a political and not a legal act”.[6] Somaliland will need to see the diplomatic recognition as a quid pro quo game; scratch my back and I will scratch yours. It is highly unlikely that a country will recognise Somaliland unless that country is sure what it is getting in return is at least proportionately equal to the benefits of the recognition it is giving. Therefore, parallel to its mission in getting recognition, Somaliland should come up with strategies to promote its international trade and seek investment through its diplomatic representatives. This is also one of the core functions of diplomatic missions as defined by article 3 of the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations in 1961.[7] By concentrating economic diplomacy, Somaliland will not only promote trade and investment but will also increase its networking, promote country profile and at last will have a say in those global political organisations including the United Nations.