Wadani;914501 wrote: There were a few battles, but they were between snm and pro-kacaan clans. Snm never engaged in killing of civilians on account of their clan. All ilma-jabarti were forgiven, this is documented history. We forgave, even though we suffered worse than the usc, with hargaysa and burco being bombed to the ground. I think we deserve some credit for this gobanimo. The SNM wanted to build a new country from scratch that included all the other clans in Somaliland, why take revenge if you want to create a healthy foundation of a new country.It was the most responsible thing to do when SNM captured from lawyacade to the outskirts of Xingalool, why do you need further clashes than shortly the reconciliation conference for the people of Somaliland Began. Thats how you keep the brother hood it was a wise thing to do and the SNM doesn't need to be given credit for that.

Wadani;914467 wrote: So wat do u suggest? R u saying we don't need national reconciliation on a grand scale? Reconciliation needs to happen the Somali conflict is a long one a long civil war of 21 years what about reer shabeelada hoose and their grievances the Somali civil war was fundamentally different than the hutu and tutsi conflict. It needs a different approach but reconciliation is inevitable .

I am pretty dacaad Somalidu haday raban inay isi samaxaan wa in la iska saamaxo wixi ka dhacay 2006 1991 wuxu wa inay dheeli tirnadaan hadaad laakin tidhahdid waxba ma jiraan oo cidna lama dilin dee dadku isku ma so dhowaan karan. Hadaad tidhahdiid waligeen ba nabad baynu ahayn dadku na beerkay isku hayaan dee wa khiyaali, dadka siday iskugu so dhawaan karan waxa weye in xanuunki dhacay 1991 la dhayo iyo ti dhacday 2006 la dhayo dabeedna Somalidu isku so dhowadaan oo ay heshiyaan dalkooda iyo dadkooda dhistaan oo umada calaamka la jaan qadan hormarku iyo cadalaadu taasay ku jirta.

Wadani;914459 wrote: That's exactly my point xaaji. If they could get passed it, we definitely can. Every side just needs to admit their crimes and sincerely seek the forgiveness of their victims. Their hatred was planted by the Belgium colonialists , Somali tribes are not like that Somalis need to impose different methods of understanding. By the way the Tutsis are building a Kingdom in Rwanda lol almost ruling more than a decade.

Actually they came from the north Mait city to be exactly the holy town

oba hiloowlow;914456 wrote: Ii wad sheekada. Oba you have a hard time to forgive and to forget , people just dont forget and forgive by uttering those words , it needs to be done practically and than can come if you talk about the past problems.

No one said that turks are welcome we were friends since the 16 century the fine architectural old buildings were build by the Turks our relations go way back. And if they want to help Somaliland with some projects than they are welcome.

This is hutu radio kill all those tall cockroaches, these people were a bit extreme with their machetes there was so much pathological hatred between the tutsi and hutus. I dont think the hatred between the Somali tribes was that extreme.

Oba the problem is not that,some people have grievances some suffered more than others and we are not even saying the pain of some groups are more important than others not at all. i am Just saying there was lots of blood shedding between clan factions between sub clan factions between so called TFG vs citizens all of that needs healing and proper reconciliation needs to happen for Somalis to forgive each other and to forget and to trust each other again. There are some people who think they are not safe in Mogadishu if they visit they think if they go there and try to reclaim their properties they will be assassinated.You might have forgotten and forgiven those who have killed you're close relatives but there are many who still have not forgotten their pain so if you want to build bridges between people you need to listen to all grievances all over Somalia that's the only way forward just don't try to hide what happened.

Looks good lets hope we reach 250 million by the year 2015.

I believe there was no genocide in 1991 but there were many killings and innocent lives were lost some people were just ordinary citizens who had nothing to do with general siad bare, other than sharing a common tribal lineage with the late dictator. Many lost their love once sons daughters and elders were not spared. Now this needs healing and you do that by talking about the past not in the way Keyd media does though. What happened in Mogadishu between 2006 and end 2008 was the most treacherous act its also unforgivable and people can only blame the habashi collaborators Geedi Cabdilahi Yusuf cabdi qeybdiid gacmadhere, and that part needs healing to but it takes time Oba.

Oba its true the USC stole many houses of reer Mogadishu and old wounds need to heal for people to trust each other again. You cannot ignore what happened i hate it when Somalis try to ignore their problems and try to wish wash it with empty rhetorics of waanu is jecelnahay we have moved on. People can only move on if they talk about their past and problems , dont be like the saudis who keep their black sudanese concubines behind doors and when they were confronted with it by pious sheikhs in saudi arabia in the 70s. They said there is no such thing and denied the whole thing, you have to challenge you're problems and than solutions will come.

Reer Sanaag are really passionate about their statehood

Che -Guevara;914417 wrote: When you move out of my house...lol :D

Somalia;914405 wrote: Why would we want to copy a project that has failed, we all saw this "election". I think his kids are telling him fantasies, maybe they are fond of their reer abti, I am not impressed Mr Faroole, NOT IMPRESSED. Come on elections are good whether its in Puntland or even southern Somalia , people will vote for their clan but its better than no democracy at all even if there were elections in Somalia people would have voted for their Qabiil. in Djibouti election happened but its strictly run by the goverment the same if its done in Kilinka shanaad.

Somalia but HAG has good friends in the region though they have 17.000 african union forces on their side Diplomatically uncle sam supports their cause and now Hassan is forging new relations with the Europeans. But lets see if they can manage it politically and economically that's the biggest challenge. They have a good leverage on Saacid who operates as a deputy mayor of Mogadishu no more a contest between a President and his prime minister. And it seems the formation of Jubbaland was put on hold by the Gedo Clan because the region was not fully liberated. The biggest challenge for Damjadiid and HAG will be implementing clan federalism and the fight against Amiir Godane. And ofcourse the talks of the century between Somaliland and Somalia.

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Madaxwaynaha Somaliya Oo Ka Jawaabay Hadalkii Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Ee Aqoonsiga Maraykanka, Kuna Adkaystay Midnimada Somaliya Hargeysa (Ramaas) Jan 31,2013 – Madaxwaynaha Somaliya Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud oo ku sugan xarunta Midowga Yurub ayaa ka hadlay dhawaaqii Madaxwaynaha Somaliya ku sheegay in Somaliya aanay dawlad u ahayn reer Somaliland. Madaxwaynaha Somaliya, waxa uu sheegay in aqoonsiga Maraykanku siiyay Somaliya aanu dhibaato u lahayn Somaliland iyo guud ahaan Somalida kale, waxaanu tilmaamay in dhaqdhaqaaqyada beesha caalanku wado uu yahay mid Somalilandna ka faa’idi karto. Madaxwaynaha Somaliya, waxa uu ku adkaystay inuu ka shaqeynayo midnimada Somaliya iyo Somaliland, waxaanu tilmaamay in aanay marnaba diyaar u ahayn in xoog iyo cadaadis dublamaasiyadeed midnimada lagu keeno.

We shall see how it goes and how strong HAG is politically and diplomatically it will be tested be ready:D

NGONGE;914389 wrote: “Maalmahan waxaa leysla dhexmarayay Mareykan baa dalkii Aqoonsadayoo waxbaa is bedelaya war waxaan leeyahay sidii la doono yaan loo hadlin taana yaan la rumeysan cidna cidkale Hormarkeeda kama hor istaagi karto Dowlada federaalka ee la sheegayo waxaa lagu dhisay Dastuurkii lagu sameeyey Puntland hadaan leys indha tireyna reer Puntland dhulkooda ayaa lagu dhisay Dowlada Soomaaliya iminka ka jirta hadiise leys ogoleysiin karin Soomali weyn Puntland wey tashaneysaa waxbaana inoo Dagsan waana la yaqaanaa, Sidaasina waxaa yiri Madaxweynaha Puntland. http://www.raxanreeb.com/2013/01/puntland-oo-u-digtay-madaxda-sare-ee-dowlada-dhageyso/ Is he threatening HAG

Ofcourse wa inu ku daydo Somaliland:D

Interesting Somali wa qawmiyad eeh maha qaran.

^^ Mooge madaxweynaha wax walba u sameya wu ku mucaraada, wa nooc kale wa cadho doorashadi ka kacday. Xassan ila hada talaabo qalad ah ma qaadin , laakin san faqida laga fiican:D

Its strange though any one can be a Somali as long as he speaks Somali and is Muslim, there is no such thing that limits people of not becoming a Somali. So we have to understand term Somali is a broad identity , to some it means a nationality to some it means a lose ethnicity to some it means a language. So before we talk about Somalinimo do we even understand what Somali means.

Interesting debate on the Somalia and Somaliland talks