Apophis;924914 wrote: The HAG have as much stake in Jubbaland as reer waamo have in Hiiraan, so you see, they're not being "dominated". They are but the Sahals are not making any noise they are happy with Puntland and Jubbaland and sharing Mogadishu with the HAG

Jubbaland will be very hard to solve , because SAHAL community would say they are dominating because they have the vast majority districts when you unite gedo with the lower jubba and middle juba,and the HAG will never accept to be be dominated , clan federalism can work in Puntland , galguduud and hiiraan, shabeelada dhexe and shabeelada hoose , to some extend, even though shabeelada hoose is very diverse. The same with bay and bakool,lets see how it goes in the next coming months.

Daqane;924893 wrote: They call them reer duun dararac meaning adding their two cents in conversations that do not concern them, with their thunderous voices, lool and any way the process has been ongoing, but as you say there is still a whole lot to do and their still other options like lower shabelle joining baay state e.t.c What ever happens in Mogadishu and Somalia concerns Somalilanders, xita haday habari dhuusto wa inanu maqalno , because Somalia still claims Somaliland as part of their country.The day Somalia erases Somaliland from their constitution you have the right to tell Somalilanders stop meddling in our affairs in the mean time proceed yaa Mitid . Even than you have the right to kick all Landers from SOL LOL So far no conferences planned in Middle shabelle to form a state with lower shabelle. and bay and bakool still want to be involved in the Jubbaland formation , it will be interesting how this clan federalism works out. The 3 sub clans of the Habr ganster clan were never united under one Entity , they were only united to expand to the lower shabelle and lower jubba. But never united in galguduud so i dont see that happening and especially not with reer hiiraan.

Miskiin kenyatta is leading is there a chance Odinga stands a chance

Daqane;924881 wrote: Xaajiyow it does not work that Baay+Bakool = Baay state. Lower Shabelle+ Middle Shabelle= Shabelle State. Hiiraan+Galgaduud+Galmudug = Bartamaha State. Thats the plan markaasna by the way what do reer jibouti call reer somaliland? I dont see that happening reer galguduud would never share a state with reer hiiraan i dont see that happening the rest might be possible Reer Djibouti call reer Somaliland , lali.

Centralism well done hassan sheikh maxamuud unite Hiiraan galguduud shabeelade dhexe shabeelada hoose Banadir bay and bakool and form one entity with a structured defense command.

What is the latest on the Kenya elections

Xididka in la qadiriyo wa Muhiim

Not as honorable has hassan culusow

You cannot leave the political arena now , you are already there, by the way hassan is doing a good job. Oba if you see Puntlanders hating a political leader from the Unuka community he must be doing a fantastic job, if they admire him , he is a terrible man get rid of him

oba hiloowlow;924731 wrote: Hassan sheikh is wrong on this i blame his Galgaduud genes Xassan wa Halyey, if we only had him in 1991 instead of that fool called Cali naafto

Runti Unukians are not tribalist folks very down to earth even their 60 years old is Ciyaala xafaad. But Abwaan and the Habar gangster community its they that have caused many problems.And their chauvinistic Hagism characteristics created some how that the Unukians were driven to a corner the Idea of HAG political supremacy was initially the political ideology by the Habar gangster community. But the problem is they could not deliver now the HAG Elites all come from the Unuka community ,the tables are turned and the rest follows.

:D The unukians are leading , Abwaan will never admit that , but its not wrong hadu inadeerka ku hogaamiyo

Hassan sheikh Maxamuud disagrees

Oba since 2009 the HAG political elites were starting to unite for the bigger cause, Hagism really took off though with the elections of hassan last year , now they are tight and close to each other, nothing wrong with that.

Abwaan wa caadi 1991 adiga ugu adka cid walba waad jiidhaysey 2006 awoodadi wa wiiqantay taasi maha inay beeshu so rogaal celin karayn waxaba laga dhaxlay midnimada beelaha hag wana wax wanaagsan runi. Beel somaliyeed oo midownda ama xoog miltary haku midoobaan ama mid siyaasadeysan, taleexi uun baan u sheegey qabilka somalidu siday u midobeen uun baan sharaxayey

Jacpher;924615 wrote: Amen Amen. Not. Give few months before the same government cries about guns ending up in the wrong hands. Amiirki xita wu so dhaweyey cunaqabataynta hubka eeh laga qaaday Somalia.

Wadani HAG unity was forced by the Unuka group allied to the ssdf faction of Abdilahi Yusuf the habar gangster were totally annihilated in 2006 2007 2008, their hegemony no longer exist so they were forced to follow the Unukka group.The Habar gangster clan lost their colonies in Lower shabelle and even Lower Jubba during the JVA also they lost their ICU , their islamic faction they were the founders of the ICU The Habar gangster clan also used to control half of xamar, before they were defeated. Now they are confined in the Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb, the Puntlanders also had a clear winner in their civil war Abdilahi Yusuf defeated Jamac cali jamac forces, and united the 3 regions of Maguartania. But the Garaad clan was divided they never confronted each other politically nor Militarily they just tolerate each other one part Supports Puntland very small percentage the other part Supports Khatumo , and the vast Majority Supports Somaliland. Khatumo will never kill their own because of political ideology nor will they ever lock them up , they caught cali sandule deputy of xaqsoor they released him with in 24 hours.

ciidanka in 4.5 Loo qeybsado wa muhim wa inuu qabil kasta iska dhex arka ciidanka , hadi kale dee ciidan qaran maha eeh wa ciidan HAG , Somalia needs to create a central structured command.

Heshiskii hordhaca eeh Djibouti lugu gaadhay sidan bu u dhigna The governments of Somaliland and Somalia agreed to pursue political and peaceful means to resolve their differences. · The two sides agreed not to use diplomatic or political pressures against one another in resolving their dispute, which is centered around Somaliland declaration of independence. · The two sides agreed to respect the International Boundary between the two sides prior to the union of 01 July 1960, which will be treated as de facto Border between the two territories until final political settlement has been concluded. · The two sides also agreed to share the proceeds of the international financing on prorate basis, to be agreed upon, based on the needs of the two sides. · An International Fund will be set up to finance the needs of the two sides. The Fund will be managed by International Joint Committee and both Somaliland and Somalia will be entitled to their respective share of the funding.

We are not Arabs even if we have 2% of Arabs in our blood, but since we don't know the Arab DNA its self we are not Arabs, tracing ancestry to an Arab fore father doesn't make you an Arab, if the good old sheikh who lived 1000 years ago was an Arab, doesn't make me an Arab today. My people their mother tongue is not Arabic , they customs although heavily influenced by Arabs its still not Arab, our folkore dances are not Arabic although the seylici dance is mix of the 2 . Do you see where i am coming from. why are people fixated about arabs,nothing special about these folks. Haatu if Somalis were homogeneous as you claim why do they carry different haplogroups and genetics. Somalis are homogeneous in one aspect since they developed a common identity with the rise of islam in the Somali peninsula, but they are not entirely homogeneous when it comes to ancestry only linguistic and and religiously. Since Somali genetics proves that some carry the T1 T2 , some carry the E1B1C some carry the E1b1a, why are you refusing that there are some gallas who were adopted in the Somali ethnic group, genetics proves that , there are even afars and arabs , and Persian in the Somali wide ethnic group all proven by genetics.

nuune;924569 wrote:

Taleexi the garaad clan , their elders and intellectuals miscalculated when they joined with Puntland they should have declared their own state, now Puntland will never withdraw their claims of the Khatumo regions. They will act like they represent, it most likely very impossible for Khatumo to battle both Somaliland and Puntland, if it doesn't get support from Xamar. And Xamar doesn't want to lose its stable relations they have with Hargeysa, so who would khatumo deal with , will it be garowe hargeysa or xamar?

Bring in the guns tanks figther choppers and ofcourse figther jets , well done:D

Wadani for instance me and you would belong to the same haplogroup , but because we are from the same tribe than later the later the same subclan we could also share the same sub clade sub clade because we share the same genealogy paternally, which is fascinating that the qabil theory is correct i have seen it before.