DoctorKenney;924112 wrote: The United States used to be a "nation" of people hostile to one another. People in Pennsylvania didn't trust the people of Georgia, who didn't trust the people of Tennessee, who didn't trust the people of New York, etc. And this was perfectly fine, because the US Federal Government was tiny . It did almost nothing at all. But over time, these state identities no longer mattered, and people stopped seeing themselves as "New Yorkers" or "Georgians" and started seeing themselves as Americans instead Somalis need to find their own system a system they are happy with , only then they can move forward, the plan to have a goverment that is not really a goverment is perfect , a goverment that just assists with security but allows the states to develop their own regions actually being boss of their own regions is a perfect plan. My friend Pan Somalism was a very un Somali concept our fore fathers believed never in a state a governing system for all Somalis , every one ruled his own little turf, our ancestors only started with the Pan Somalism, 80 years ago , to create some sort of a state some where in the late 30s they started establishing political parties , based on pan Somalism. SYL SNL . But we were never liked it was unSomali it was a reaction to colonialism. But when the colonialists left we went back to our own Somali nature, Somali nationalism never really existed in our households we went along with it , the notion to be ruled by a structured state is unfamiliar, in Somali societies. So you're idea might just work for Somalis.

Who wrote that crap Somalia how does what happens in Kismayo effect Somaliland., i have never heard a Somaliland official talking about Kismayo. only faisal ali warabe but he said to the those in Somalia,, laascaanood is not Kismayo

I think that is very good idea if its conducted in the correct way, i think that idea should be considered, because if that is done for like 20 or 30 years, Somalis than would evolve their statehood and upgrade it and they would have a real functioning state, and allow more of the goverment in their daily society. i think its a very good experiment and i think it would work if you ask me., because its part of the Somali political culture that we never liked to be governed Somalis do not like to be told what to do by a superior power.

A_Khadar;923820 wrote: Abwaan hubka cunaqabateynta laga qaadayo ma hanjabaad baa? War bahalkaa hadii la furo cid welibaa waa la soo degaysaa ee yaan loo sacabo tumin in la furo.. I am still puzzled with why Xasan Culusow is against the Jubaland? It will be another admin just like p/land, galmudug etc and will be under him at the end of the day. War ileen nin 20 kii sanee u danbeyey Xamar joogay baan meel dheer wax ka arkin.. Madaxweynuhu wuxu raba inu mamuul ka dhiso from galkacyo ila xuduuda kenya, hadafku wa intaas, eeh maha inu necebyahay mamuul u sameynta jubaland iyo wax la mid ah. Hubkana wala qaaday sanad ba la tijaabinaya, siday u shaqeyso, Hubka hala fasaxo anigu waan tageersanahay

Abwaan oo diyaarado wata iyo dababaado ,,allow alleh , bal weynu eegi:D

Wadani i have observed Somalis allot in their political capabilities their leaders and their political culture , the only way Somalis to stay together under one country is if they are forced. Like general siad bare did ,nin walba meel ba u cad cid badinaysa na wali ma hayno lol

Jacpher;924095 wrote: Xaajiyoow you could be right with all that but you conviniently leave out one thing that unites most Somalis regardless of the war, Somalia is to stay together and never break up into pieces. I doubt it ,1/3 of the Somalis believe that they already broke away, the rest is busy creating clan states between a centralized system and a clan federalism. i dont think all Somalis believe in this unity , further more a Somali in Mogadishu feels more closer to general Bahuku than a fellow Somali from Kismayo. The other Somali from Kismayo believes that general kwuanku is closer to him than a fellow Somali in Mogadishu. And we still dont have a winner.

malistar2012;924094 wrote: If it would make you happier we have winner , USC , do to the fact usc captured the capital 20 years ago . First legitimate Government post civil war hails from usc clans. USC clans dominated Somali politics and economy past 22 years. USC never ruled from raskambooni to raascaseer, if there was a clear winner ,Somalia would not be in this mess, we dont have a winner.

Wadani just follow the latest political quarrels between Somali politicians , it will not be a war , but it will turn out to be a political victory for one group sooner or later.

Somalia a country tarnished by a 21 years civil war, and even though the vast majority of battles of the Somali civil war , are now behind us. And Somalia is slowly emerging is becoming a peaceful nation particularly the southern parts of the country. But there is a problem, we are not addressing , how do we deal with the past.Since Somalia civil war officially ended with the new elected goverment headed by Mr Hasan Mahamud. Subsequently creating a healthy environment where Somalis can coexist and a national parliament was established. But Somalis are still struggling with the civil war , the most significant problem is , in Somalia no one won the war. Most countries have a clear winner but in Somalia every one is a loser or every is a winner, in that sense there is no clear winner. In the uganda bush war from 1981 till 1986 had a clear winner Yoweri museveni and the national Resistance movement was the winner. The same with the Rwandan civil war it had a clear winner the patriotic movement of Rwanda won the civil war. In Ethiopia closer to home, the Ethiopians had a clear winner the TPLF along with the EPLF defeated the derg. look at Somalia the USC came in drove out general siyad Bare the last dictator from Mogadishu, but nothing tangible came out of the civil war, the SNM in the north captured much of Somaliland and unilaterally declared independence, and moved on from there. Puntland region declared the Puntland region autonomous years later. What we see currently in Somalia , is Political distrust between the leaders and also this has a severe effect on the population in Somalia. Instead of reconciliation , the clan factor is being deeply encouraged by the various Somali stakeholders and including the diaspora. So till the day of today we are sill looking for a magical winner of the Somali civil war, it will most likely be a Political victory for one group. For example if clan federalism is fully adopted some groups will feel they won the war , if Somaliland is recognized another certain group will feel they won the war , if the last group is believed and followed and a centralized system is implemented than the last group won the civil war.

War intan maqna xita ninki Abwaan ba sharci yaqaan noqday war ma maxkamadi Xamar baad seminar ka so qaadaatay:D

Bal weynu eegi 59 cisho baba ka hadhay shirka ba , wixi jira wa iman:D

A_Khadar;924072 wrote: ^^ XX, wixii kale iska dhaadhic but buhodle isn't large community is slap on your own face.. Video -gan kashifaad ha kuugu filaato... Successionists' desperation never ends. Any xayraan claiming to be "Sarkaal" from Buhoodle , your ministers will rush to welcome until tthey find out later they are nothing but out smarting guys who happened to figure out the weekness of this project. " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> I would deny to

Xiinfaniin Kismayo maxa iga yaala, General Kwuanku ba ka taliya eh , bal maxa iga yaala

Somaliland largest opposition party rejects the London conference its very interesting, its seems that Somaliland will not attend that conference

Shirka Bisha May La Iclaamiyey Ma Filayo In Somaliland Ka Qayb-galayso, Hadalka Madaxwaynaha Somaliyana Sax Maaha” Guddoomiye Cirro Hargeysa (Ramaas) Mar.04, 2013 - Guddoomiyaha Golaha Wakiilada, ahna Guddoomiyaha xisbiga WADDANI Md Cabdiraxmaan Maxamed Cabdilaahi (Cirro), ayaa ka hadlay shirka bisha May Somaliya loogu qabanayo London, waxaanu sheegay inaan Somaliland ka qayb-galayn haddii uu u gaar yahay Somaliya oo arimaheeda lagaga hadlayo. Cabdiraxmaan Cirro, oo maanta u waramay Telefiishanja HCTV, ayaa waxa kale oo uu sheegay in hadal ka soo yeedhay Madaxwaynaha Somaliya oo ahaa inay madaxda Somaliya waraaqo is-dhaafsadeen uu yahay mid wakhtigii ka soo hor-maray, isaga oo sidoo kalena tilmaamay inaanu shakhsiyan ogeyn wax wada-hadal ah oo u bilaabmay Somaliland iyo madaxda Somaliya. Cabdiraxmaan Cirro oo ka hadlaya wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya ayaa waxa uu yidhi “Somaliland iyo Somaliya marbay isku yimaadeen oo ay wada-hadal bilaabeen, wada-hadal kale oo bilaabmayna ma jiro, wada-hadalkii labaadna dawadihi waday waxay qorshaynayaan xagaaga soo socda, oo weli laftiisu ma cadda, laakiin Shirarka Somaliya u gaarka ah Somaliya ayuunbaa iska leh, shirka bisha May la iclaamiyeyna haddii arimaha Somaliya lagaga hadlayo wuxuu noqon doonaa shir Somaliya u gaar ah, Somaliland-na inay ka qayb-galayso ma filayo” Md Cirro, waxa kale oo uu soo qaaday “Wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya hore ayaa loo ogolaaday, haddii labada waddan wada hadlayaana meelbuu taagnaa, meeshii ayuunbaa laga sii qaadi karaa, laakiin shir Somaliya u gaar ah ka qayb-gali-mayno, mowqifka Somaliland, ka xisbigayaga iyo ka baarlamaankuna waa sidaasi”ayuu yidhi, waxaanu intaa ku daray isaga oo ka hadlaya hadalkii ka soo yeedhay Madaxwaynaha Somaliya “Inuu warkaasi jiro ilamaha aha oo wada-hadal u bilaabmay Somaliland iyo Somaliya, haddii aad tuhun ka qabtaana (saxaafada) waad ka xaqiijin doontaan, laakiin anigu ma qabbo inuu jiro wada-hadal u bilaabmay Somaliland iyo Somaliya, haddii wareegii labaad bilaabmayana wakhti ayay leedahay wayna cadaan doontaa, Madaxwaynuhuna markii uu London tagay waakii cadeeyay in arinkaa tallo qaran laga yeelanayo wakhtiga ku munaasibadka ah, wakhtiga shirka la iclaamiyeyna waa bisha May, markaa Warka Madaxwaynaha Somaliyana sax maaha, waayo dawladihii shirka qaban-qaabinayey waxay iclaamiyeen bisha May, markaa warkaasi waa war ka soo hor-maray xiligiisii”ayuu yidhi waxaanu intaa ku daray “Go’aanka Madaxwaynuhu qabbo, taladana qaran-na laga yeelanayaa waa inaan laga qayb-galin shir Somaliya u gaarka ah”

i think they do , khatumo is just one faction, do you really think the great garaad clan will be held hostage for more than six years In their own laascaanood, if they didn't support Somaliland. Khatumo waxba kuma haysato xamar not a single wasiir, thats why u see the most anti SL xaglatoosiye joining with the SL govt. Its funny though in 1960 their garaad, mr ali garaad was the one who said lets not join the koonfurians lets wait for six months, the Somaliland parliament chanted laa yaa garaad, and now a faction of the garaad clan is opposed.

oba hiloowlow;924048 wrote: these people will never get satisfied until one of them is ruling the country yesterday they where opposed to shariif today he is a good man.sometimes i wish i was a somalilander wallee qolkeega baan isku xiri lahaa Clan is everything wa halki NGONGE eh , waxan la yaabay slaamo boodhadh sita Minneapolis, oo madaxweynaha ka so hor jeeda wa cajiib Somalidu.

saasay u eegtahay:D Hadana hassan wax qalad ah ma samayn ila hada, caadi bu mamuulki u wada.

Samafal;924033 wrote: Hassan Culusoow Somaliya waaba uga sii daraya baa moodaa. Qabyaaladii sii dhimanaysay baaba soo naaxaysa, Sh Shriif baa wax badana ka caqli fiicnaa oo fahansanaa sida Somalida la iskugu wado. Ninkaan waaba Abwano oo madax wayne la ga dhigay bal adigu tab dheh. Alloow sahal umuuraha. Dadbaa nabad u diidan Somalia balse aan aragno meesha lagu furo. But puntlanders hated sharif they wanted him out , they voted him out they all voted for hassan sheikh the last round, now they are missing the old sh sharif., i remember even duke wanted hassan and the entire Puntland crew maxa is badalay , ma xassan ba noqon wayey sidad rabteen?

Abwaan;924019 wrote: XX, kuwii calanka haysan jirey ee iska tuurayna ku dar dee...Naga daa dadka ha kala reebine, kulligeen isku mid baan nahee. Nin wax tuuray yaan wakhtiga lugu lumin ka sita, wa in la so maslaxa oo laga dhiga Somali dhab ah oo madaxweynihisa tageersan wax fahan niyo

Well khatumo is still in taleex where they were last year there is a process that taleex will join SL to , i will update it soon, president silanyo has really united the country . Somaliland is ready to talk with Somalia,, its Somalia that needs more time.

Somalee anagu xita tuulo ka degin bay leeyihin Somalia ayaad degtaan so cajiib maha

^The Somalilanders love sensation , and Jubbaland is hot topic why not talk about it , by the way Kenyans talk about Jubbaland to i am sure you wont have a problem if Somalilanders drop their 2 cents.But tell me why are the garowe clan enclave boys so involved with Jubbaland, what is the relationship between Jubbaland and Puntland are they not 2 federal states.? By the way u just have Somalilanders on SOL talking about it on this forum , because there are so many topics about Jubbaland. i am sure the folks in Somaliland have little or no opinion some don't even know where kismayo is located , especially the new generation. This is what i think Somalilanders can give a fair opinion regarding Jubbaland since they dont have a motive nor live in this beloved Jubbaland people are talking about. By the way if we dont talk about the same matters, the last thing that bonds Somalilanders and Koonfurians is the language and the social coexistence lets not kill that part because that is the last remaining factor that bonds Somaliland and Somalia.

Haatu is behind SSC joined the goverment halgatoosiye miyanad maqlin niyo the former head of the ssc rebels. what is this awdal people keep talking what problems are there in awdal can some one tell me., ???