malistar2012;924094 wrote: If it would make you happier we have winner , USC , do to the fact usc captured the capital 20 years ago . First legitimate Government post civil war hails from usc clans. USC clans dominated Somali politics and economy past 22 years. USC never ruled from raskambooni to raascaseer, if there was a clear winner ,Somalia would not be in this mess, we dont have a winner.

Wadani just follow the latest political quarrels between Somali politicians , it will not be a war , but it will turn out to be a political victory for one group sooner or later.

Somalia a country tarnished by a 21 years civil war, and even though the vast majority of battles of the Somali civil war , are now behind us. And Somalia is slowly emerging is becoming a peaceful nation particularly the southern parts of the country. But there is a problem, we are not addressing , how do we deal with the past.Since Somalia civil war officially ended with the new elected goverment headed by Mr Hasan Mahamud. Subsequently creating a healthy environment where Somalis can coexist and a national parliament was established. But Somalis are still struggling with the civil war , the most significant problem is , in Somalia no one won the war. Most countries have a clear winner but in Somalia every one is a loser or every is a winner, in that sense there is no clear winner. In the uganda bush war from 1981 till 1986 had a clear winner Yoweri museveni and the national Resistance movement was the winner. The same with the Rwandan civil war it had a clear winner the patriotic movement of Rwanda won the civil war. In Ethiopia closer to home, the Ethiopians had a clear winner the TPLF along with the EPLF defeated the derg. look at Somalia the USC came in drove out general siyad Bare the last dictator from Mogadishu, but nothing tangible came out of the civil war, the SNM in the north captured much of Somaliland and unilaterally declared independence, and moved on from there. Puntland region declared the Puntland region autonomous years later. What we see currently in Somalia , is Political distrust between the leaders and also this has a severe effect on the population in Somalia. Instead of reconciliation , the clan factor is being deeply encouraged by the various Somali stakeholders and including the diaspora. So till the day of today we are sill looking for a magical winner of the Somali civil war, it will most likely be a Political victory for one group. For example if clan federalism is fully adopted some groups will feel they won the war , if Somaliland is recognized another certain group will feel they won the war , if the last group is believed and followed and a centralized system is implemented than the last group won the civil war.

War intan maqna xita ninki Abwaan ba sharci yaqaan noqday war ma maxkamadi Xamar baad seminar ka so qaadaatay:D

Bal weynu eegi 59 cisho baba ka hadhay shirka ba , wixi jira wa iman:D

A_Khadar;924072 wrote: ^^ XX, wixii kale iska dhaadhic but buhodle isn't large community is slap on your own face.. Video -gan kashifaad ha kuugu filaato... Successionists' desperation never ends. Any xayraan claiming to be "Sarkaal" from Buhoodle , your ministers will rush to welcome until tthey find out later they are nothing but out smarting guys who happened to figure out the weekness of this project. " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> I would deny to

Xiinfaniin Kismayo maxa iga yaala, General Kwuanku ba ka taliya eh , bal maxa iga yaala

Somaliland largest opposition party rejects the London conference its very interesting, its seems that Somaliland will not attend that conference

Shirka Bisha May La Iclaamiyey Ma Filayo In Somaliland Ka Qayb-galayso, Hadalka Madaxwaynaha Somaliyana Sax Maaha” Guddoomiye Cirro Hargeysa (Ramaas) Mar.04, 2013 - Guddoomiyaha Golaha Wakiilada, ahna Guddoomiyaha xisbiga WADDANI Md Cabdiraxmaan Maxamed Cabdilaahi (Cirro), ayaa ka hadlay shirka bisha May Somaliya loogu qabanayo London, waxaanu sheegay inaan Somaliland ka qayb-galayn haddii uu u gaar yahay Somaliya oo arimaheeda lagaga hadlayo. Cabdiraxmaan Cirro, oo maanta u waramay Telefiishanja HCTV, ayaa waxa kale oo uu sheegay in hadal ka soo yeedhay Madaxwaynaha Somaliya oo ahaa inay madaxda Somaliya waraaqo is-dhaafsadeen uu yahay mid wakhtigii ka soo hor-maray, isaga oo sidoo kalena tilmaamay inaanu shakhsiyan ogeyn wax wada-hadal ah oo u bilaabmay Somaliland iyo madaxda Somaliya. Cabdiraxmaan Cirro oo ka hadlaya wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya ayaa waxa uu yidhi “Somaliland iyo Somaliya marbay isku yimaadeen oo ay wada-hadal bilaabeen, wada-hadal kale oo bilaabmayna ma jiro, wada-hadalkii labaadna dawadihi waday waxay qorshaynayaan xagaaga soo socda, oo weli laftiisu ma cadda, laakiin Shirarka Somaliya u gaarka ah Somaliya ayuunbaa iska leh, shirka bisha May la iclaamiyeyna haddii arimaha Somaliya lagaga hadlayo wuxuu noqon doonaa shir Somaliya u gaar ah, Somaliland-na inay ka qayb-galayso ma filayo” Md Cirro, waxa kale oo uu soo qaaday “Wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya hore ayaa loo ogolaaday, haddii labada waddan wada hadlayaana meelbuu taagnaa, meeshii ayuunbaa laga sii qaadi karaa, laakiin shir Somaliya u gaar ah ka qayb-gali-mayno, mowqifka Somaliland, ka xisbigayaga iyo ka baarlamaankuna waa sidaasi”ayuu yidhi, waxaanu intaa ku daray isaga oo ka hadlaya hadalkii ka soo yeedhay Madaxwaynaha Somaliya “Inuu warkaasi jiro ilamaha aha oo wada-hadal u bilaabmay Somaliland iyo Somaliya, haddii aad tuhun ka qabtaana (saxaafada) waad ka xaqiijin doontaan, laakiin anigu ma qabbo inuu jiro wada-hadal u bilaabmay Somaliland iyo Somaliya, haddii wareegii labaad bilaabmayana wakhti ayay leedahay wayna cadaan doontaa, Madaxwaynuhuna markii uu London tagay waakii cadeeyay in arinkaa tallo qaran laga yeelanayo wakhtiga ku munaasibadka ah, wakhtiga shirka la iclaamiyeyna waa bisha May, markaa Warka Madaxwaynaha Somaliyana sax maaha, waayo dawladihii shirka qaban-qaabinayey waxay iclaamiyeen bisha May, markaa warkaasi waa war ka soo hor-maray xiligiisii”ayuu yidhi waxaanu intaa ku daray “Go’aanka Madaxwaynuhu qabbo, taladana qaran-na laga yeelanayaa waa inaan laga qayb-galin shir Somaliya u gaarka ah”

i think they do , khatumo is just one faction, do you really think the great garaad clan will be held hostage for more than six years In their own laascaanood, if they didn't support Somaliland. Khatumo waxba kuma haysato xamar not a single wasiir, thats why u see the most anti SL xaglatoosiye joining with the SL govt. Its funny though in 1960 their garaad, mr ali garaad was the one who said lets not join the koonfurians lets wait for six months, the Somaliland parliament chanted laa yaa garaad, and now a faction of the garaad clan is opposed.

oba hiloowlow;924048 wrote: these people will never get satisfied until one of them is ruling the country yesterday they where opposed to shariif today he is a good man.sometimes i wish i was a somalilander wallee qolkeega baan isku xiri lahaa Clan is everything wa halki NGONGE eh , waxan la yaabay slaamo boodhadh sita Minneapolis, oo madaxweynaha ka so hor jeeda wa cajiib Somalidu.

saasay u eegtahay:D Hadana hassan wax qalad ah ma samayn ila hada, caadi bu mamuulki u wada.

Samafal;924033 wrote: Hassan Culusoow Somaliya waaba uga sii daraya baa moodaa. Qabyaaladii sii dhimanaysay baaba soo naaxaysa, Sh Shriif baa wax badana ka caqli fiicnaa oo fahansanaa sida Somalida la iskugu wado. Ninkaan waaba Abwano oo madax wayne la ga dhigay bal adigu tab dheh. Alloow sahal umuuraha. Dadbaa nabad u diidan Somalia balse aan aragno meesha lagu furo. But puntlanders hated sharif they wanted him out , they voted him out they all voted for hassan sheikh the last round, now they are missing the old sh sharif., i remember even duke wanted hassan and the entire Puntland crew maxa is badalay , ma xassan ba noqon wayey sidad rabteen?

Abwaan;924019 wrote: XX, kuwii calanka haysan jirey ee iska tuurayna ku dar dee...Naga daa dadka ha kala reebine, kulligeen isku mid baan nahee. Nin wax tuuray yaan wakhtiga lugu lumin ka sita, wa in la so maslaxa oo laga dhiga Somali dhab ah oo madaxweynihisa tageersan wax fahan niyo

Well khatumo is still in taleex where they were last year there is a process that taleex will join SL to , i will update it soon, president silanyo has really united the country . Somaliland is ready to talk with Somalia,, its Somalia that needs more time.

Somalee anagu xita tuulo ka degin bay leeyihin Somalia ayaad degtaan so cajiib maha

^The Somalilanders love sensation , and Jubbaland is hot topic why not talk about it , by the way Kenyans talk about Jubbaland to i am sure you wont have a problem if Somalilanders drop their 2 cents.But tell me why are the garowe clan enclave boys so involved with Jubbaland, what is the relationship between Jubbaland and Puntland are they not 2 federal states.? By the way u just have Somalilanders on SOL talking about it on this forum , because there are so many topics about Jubbaland. i am sure the folks in Somaliland have little or no opinion some don't even know where kismayo is located , especially the new generation. This is what i think Somalilanders can give a fair opinion regarding Jubbaland since they dont have a motive nor live in this beloved Jubbaland people are talking about. By the way if we dont talk about the same matters, the last thing that bonds Somalilanders and Koonfurians is the language and the social coexistence lets not kill that part because that is the last remaining factor that bonds Somaliland and Somalia.

Haatu is behind SSC joined the goverment halgatoosiye miyanad maqlin niyo the former head of the ssc rebels. what is this awdal people keep talking what problems are there in awdal can some one tell me., ???

Che -Guevara;923717 wrote: what's so perverted about kissing naaso. Wa caruur aan naaso arkin dee,,,

Haatu cudurka faroole. xita Zack oo qabridahare ka yimi may ku dhacday By the way this is what i believe let Somalia try clan federalism for the next 3 years if it doesn't work out than it should be changed into a decentralized system.

Abwaan anigu dadka calanka bluega aminsan oo dhan waxan aminsahay inay ku daba faylan madaxweynahooda hassan sheikh maxamuud reer Somalia is raaca , midnimdina ka shaqeya ciidankina dhista

xiinfaniin;923984 wrote: A request from ethnic somalilaners in the south to the people of Jubbaland , eh? warkaa ha la hubiyo PS. It is too late now though. The conference shall proceed and produce results soon. Accepting this will be playing into president's hand who would love such an idea and promptly support if it were upto him only to derail the process. There is no such thing as ethnic Somalilanders in lower shabelle. Ethnic Somalilanders dont live in Somalia Ethnic Somalilanders live in Kenya isiolo Djibouti Ethiopia , iyo wales

Saacid on the Somaliland and Somalia talks Sidoo kale Wuxuu Raysalwasaaraha Soomaaliya baaq nabadeed u diray maamulka Soomaliland, isagoo sheegay in ay xukuumadiisa xoojin doonto wadahadalka u dhaxeyn doona Federaalka Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland. Wadahadalka ay yeelan doonaan Dowlada Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland mar walba wuxuu noqon doonaa mid ku salaysan nabad iyo wadahadal, balse marnaba noqon maayo mid xasarad iyo faro isku taag taag ah…” ayuu yidhi Raysalwasaaraha Soomaaliya oo ka waramaya siyaasaddiisa ku aadan Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland,

Than stop trolling niyo, wax walba maad iskaga hadasha lol

Yes it is