oba hiloowlow;924731 wrote: Hassan sheikh is wrong on this i blame his Galgaduud genes Xassan wa Halyey, if we only had him in 1991 instead of that fool called Cali naafto

Runti Unukians are not tribalist folks very down to earth even their 60 years old is Ciyaala xafaad. But Abwaan and the Habar gangster community its they that have caused many problems.And their chauvinistic Hagism characteristics created some how that the Unukians were driven to a corner the Idea of HAG political supremacy was initially the political ideology by the Habar gangster community. But the problem is they could not deliver now the HAG Elites all come from the Unuka community ,the tables are turned and the rest follows.

:D The unukians are leading , Abwaan will never admit that , but its not wrong hadu inadeerka ku hogaamiyo

Hassan sheikh Maxamuud disagrees

Oba since 2009 the HAG political elites were starting to unite for the bigger cause, Hagism really took off though with the elections of hassan last year , now they are tight and close to each other, nothing wrong with that.

Abwaan wa caadi 1991 adiga ugu adka cid walba waad jiidhaysey 2006 awoodadi wa wiiqantay taasi maha inay beeshu so rogaal celin karayn waxaba laga dhaxlay midnimada beelaha hag wana wax wanaagsan runi. Beel somaliyeed oo midownda ama xoog miltary haku midoobaan ama mid siyaasadeysan, taleexi uun baan u sheegey qabilka somalidu siday u midobeen uun baan sharaxayey

Jacpher;924615 wrote: Amen Amen. Not. Give few months before the same government cries about guns ending up in the wrong hands. Amiirki xita wu so dhaweyey cunaqabataynta hubka eeh laga qaaday Somalia.

Wadani HAG unity was forced by the Unuka group allied to the ssdf faction of Abdilahi Yusuf the habar gangster were totally annihilated in 2006 2007 2008, their hegemony no longer exist so they were forced to follow the Unukka group.The Habar gangster clan lost their colonies in Lower shabelle and even Lower Jubba during the JVA also they lost their ICU , their islamic faction they were the founders of the ICU The Habar gangster clan also used to control half of xamar, before they were defeated. Now they are confined in the Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb, the Puntlanders also had a clear winner in their civil war Abdilahi Yusuf defeated Jamac cali jamac forces, and united the 3 regions of Maguartania. But the Garaad clan was divided they never confronted each other politically nor Militarily they just tolerate each other one part Supports Puntland very small percentage the other part Supports Khatumo , and the vast Majority Supports Somaliland. Khatumo will never kill their own because of political ideology nor will they ever lock them up , they caught cali sandule deputy of xaqsoor they released him with in 24 hours.

ciidanka in 4.5 Loo qeybsado wa muhim wa inuu qabil kasta iska dhex arka ciidanka , hadi kale dee ciidan qaran maha eeh wa ciidan HAG , Somalia needs to create a central structured command.

Heshiskii hordhaca eeh Djibouti lugu gaadhay sidan bu u dhigna The governments of Somaliland and Somalia agreed to pursue political and peaceful means to resolve their differences. · The two sides agreed not to use diplomatic or political pressures against one another in resolving their dispute, which is centered around Somaliland declaration of independence. · The two sides agreed to respect the International Boundary between the two sides prior to the union of 01 July 1960, which will be treated as de facto Border between the two territories until final political settlement has been concluded. · The two sides also agreed to share the proceeds of the international financing on prorate basis, to be agreed upon, based on the needs of the two sides. · An International Fund will be set up to finance the needs of the two sides. The Fund will be managed by International Joint Committee and both Somaliland and Somalia will be entitled to their respective share of the funding.

We are not Arabs even if we have 2% of Arabs in our blood, but since we don't know the Arab DNA its self we are not Arabs, tracing ancestry to an Arab fore father doesn't make you an Arab, if the good old sheikh who lived 1000 years ago was an Arab, doesn't make me an Arab today. My people their mother tongue is not Arabic , they customs although heavily influenced by Arabs its still not Arab, our folkore dances are not Arabic although the seylici dance is mix of the 2 . Do you see where i am coming from. why are people fixated about arabs,nothing special about these folks. Haatu if Somalis were homogeneous as you claim why do they carry different haplogroups and genetics. Somalis are homogeneous in one aspect since they developed a common identity with the rise of islam in the Somali peninsula, but they are not entirely homogeneous when it comes to ancestry only linguistic and and religiously. Since Somali genetics proves that some carry the T1 T2 , some carry the E1B1C some carry the E1b1a, why are you refusing that there are some gallas who were adopted in the Somali ethnic group, genetics proves that , there are even afars and arabs , and Persian in the Somali wide ethnic group all proven by genetics.

nuune;924569 wrote:

Taleexi the garaad clan , their elders and intellectuals miscalculated when they joined with Puntland they should have declared their own state, now Puntland will never withdraw their claims of the Khatumo regions. They will act like they represent, it most likely very impossible for Khatumo to battle both Somaliland and Puntland, if it doesn't get support from Xamar. And Xamar doesn't want to lose its stable relations they have with Hargeysa, so who would khatumo deal with , will it be garowe hargeysa or xamar?

Bring in the guns tanks figther choppers and ofcourse figther jets , well done:D

Wadani for instance me and you would belong to the same haplogroup , but because we are from the same tribe than later the later the same subclan we could also share the same sub clade sub clade because we share the same genealogy paternally, which is fascinating that the qabil theory is correct i have seen it before.

SomaliPhilosopher;924551 wrote: No test whatsoever should be conducted. We share the same language, culture, religion for the most part. We do not need to differentiate ourselves with these irrelevant genetic test Well thats the way we could know the true ancestry of the Somalis, i believe Somali is a very wide identity like the Arabs, who are all associated as Arabs , but many are assyrians jews berbers armenians canaanite phoenics ancient Egyptians with the Muslim conquest many became just Arabs so it became a wide identity. similar with the rise of Islam in the Somali peninsula lots of assimilation bantu gallas arabs persians afars gurage harari indians and other groups. Remember imam Ahmed guray conquest how he united the Somalis and other Muslim groups in Ethiopia and Somaliland. I think little before that that's when the process began.

Thats still very low but still my theory is still correct , that they carry all different haplogroups. Maybe we should do a nation wide test in Somaliland Somalia Djibouti and the Somali galbeed and NFD region that we have exact statistics.

Miyir;924528 wrote: Hahahah loving the arabs? this map is fake so the next one. all test done Somalis have lowest J1 and J2. less %2. Somalis are about 17 million the J1 is not an arab haplogroup , its also found in turkey and it originated from Russia and then Armenia , there is nothing to love arabs, , why would any one fixated with Arabs. And no one can exactly say what haplogroup is really the most found among Somalis , its just statistics and with the numbers we have. But these tests were not all done by Somalis, the Qabil theory is correct though some share the entire same sub clan while belonging to the same clan not sub clan very interesting

I think among Somalis 7% carry the J1 or j2 haplogroup just reading the statistics and about 35% carries the T haplogroup high frequency among Somalilanders parts of the Somali galbeed region and Djibouti and other parts of southern Somalia and than the last portion carries the E1b1b1a about 42% of the Somalis carries that haplogroup, and about 16%carries E1b1a, high frequency among the Bantu Somalis and Boraama oromos assimilated into the Somali groups. So Somalis are not entirely homogeneous, when it comes to tracing back our ancestries. This is what i think before the rise of islam in the horn, we were different people but Islam really united Somalis , while they were different yet islam united the Somalis by culture religion and they slowly developed their own traditions and language.

And then there is the E1b1b1a also found in large portion of Somalia

The E1b1b1c

This is the J1 originates from Russia

The T haplogroup

SomaliPhilosopher;924492 wrote: How accurate can such test be given geneticist have had very little access to the country over the past few decades Not all people took these test maybe less than 5% of the Somalis

Miyir;924490 wrote: according the last genetics study Somalis are most homogeneous nation. 98% of us carry African YDNA only less then 2% carry Arab YDNA, a hint coastal Somal-arab people. There is no such thing as an ARAB DNA or Somali or African DNA , genetics doesn't work like that E1B1C more than 40% of the Moroccon Arabs carry it also a huge portion of Somalis carry that haplogroup, also significant portion carries the T1 and T2 especially Highest frequencies among Somalilanders and Somalis from Ethiopia specially around jigjiga and diredawa. than there is J1 and J2 in many parts of the Middle east but its originates from Russia,It is not an Arab sub clade whats so ever because these Arabs have so many different haplogroups.