Actually President siilaanyo and his trip to turkey was a success when it comes to development including the oil company and the turkish airlins to Somaliland. Siilaanyo and Erdogen were scheduled to meet if you can read Turkish it was all in the plan but he was ill unfortunately BAŞBAKAN ERDOĞAN'IN PROGRAMI -Başbakan Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Gençlik ve Spor Bakanlığı'nda "2012-2013 Avrupa ve Dünya Şampiyonları Ödül Töreni"ne katılıyor. -Erdoğan,Resmi Konut'ta da Sudan Meclis Başkanı Ahmed İbrahim el Tahir ve Somaliland Cumhurbaşkanı Ahmed Muhamed Silanyo ile ***ı ***ı görüşüyor. (Saat: 14.00/16.00/17.00) http://www.haberx.com/sali_gundemi(17,n,11251535,486).aspx Also the news paper at one time they quote the Somali diplomat in turkey. those were not turkish diplomats this is what the turks said Within Somalia there are several regions, including Somaliland, that have their own administrative structure and a president. It is claimed that Somaliland is as separatist region; however, it would be wrong to qualify it as such,” said the diplomat The Turkish diplomat clearly states that Somaliland should not be categorized as a separatist region. Because the Turks know the exact history of Somaliland and how it came to existence. As for the London conference we applaud the Somaliland goverment not attending the conference the President didn't say he was going to attend the conference before. He said he first wants to read the program of the conference he never said he was going to attend. Now that we agree the trip was a success on all fronts. can you elaborate why the Kismayo admin is back to Kismayo with no results and how come they didn't hold a press conference yet . But we shall keep this thread a live for the next coming days and weeks and see how the Jubbaland project develops.

Umadana qabil ba derderey allow u sahal markaysey yidhahaan Somalia maxa ka si ah:D

Odey;927106 wrote: Ok, this is getting quite tiresome, but alas I am stuck with you!. Are you sure you are Somali BTW?, Let me re-phrase that again . Somaliland does not and cannot reach any bilateral agreements period !.when it comes to the funds being released by certain Europeans and countries along with the US, this only happens after they sign with the Federal Government. Like it or not, when it comes to foreign agreements, The Federal Government of Somalia will reach such agreement on yours and all other Somali's behalf. This will happen in the London conference and every other place that issues relating to the Territory that is Somalia is discussed, (From raas caser to raas kambooni and all that lies in between is concerned)whether they are financial, military, treaties etc. I hope that clears things. Beyond that, If you still maintain some small scale investment from a few unscrupulous investors equates Sovereignty, then you are in a worse shape than I previously thought brother. Well it sure gets aid its minimum but its gets aid and no federal goverment signs it for them , Somaliland and Somalia agreed in their previous deal to share the aid thats what it said.Now is aid important no for the people of Somaliland not really as i told you i am not excited at all. The so called federal goverment is guarded by Amisom troops it cannot make its own security choices as for Militarization and that I believe arms are sold on the international market as long as you show the $. Another point is the Koonfurians have a hard time understanding their own geographical map as they claim Somalia and Somaliland are one country in their minds that's not he case. Raaskaambooni to raas caseer, but do you know where raas caseer is located its located on the most northern port of the bari region and raskmaambooni is near the Kenyan border. I always find it funny when koonfurians utter Somalia is from raskambooni to raas caseer they automatically unintentionally exclude Somaliland which is a good thing though. By the way we are not stuck together you just haven't moved on thats all wala kala danayste adeer beri hore dad uun ba wali cidla jafaya.

I have been hearing conspiracy theories but Siilaanyo is a man who is consistent and is a man of principles fighting against afweyne for a long period of time. Somaliland Kulmiye leader Somaliland President , and that Somaliland shall remain independent for ever. These were his words i trust President siilaanyo completely. The question is do you trust your president Mr Culusow ?

Duriyad dawlad noqon mayaan dont even know what that means laakin Somaliland is already a dawlad isku filan dadkeeda iyo dalkeeda ka taliyaa, ugandhees iyo burundees xabashi iyo kenyatina ma ilaaliyo , Badana isbaaro uma dhigtaan eeh sida bina adankay u shaqeyaan,

Somaliland and Somalia will talk in the future but not at the London conference thats what the President said.

Bad news from turkey and London. no such thing as that it all went well the Turks will assist Somaliland on many fields and we welcome that. But its seems Xiin faniin is not certain what is going on , what happened to the Kismayo conference is the Million dollar question.

Waranle adiguna ma sadaqaad igu faani , mise waxad odhan saacid ba i yimi Yuuupi Reer Garowe hormar bay gaadheen:D

Somalia still doesn't get the bilateral aid to the level it wanted its still mostly NGO but its getting there with international loans. But i am not very excited when it comes to aid although Somaliland and Somalia agreed to share the aid, in the previous agreement Somaliland and Somalia agreed on that and president hassan said he honors those agreements signed by his predecessor. Still i am not excited when it comes to aid oday maybe you are. The bigger objective is much and much more important than aid and some fundings. Actually Somaliland has found away to sign deals with Foreign countries regarding investment The Somaliland Development Corporation (SDC) has been set up to facilitate international investment in Somaliland for the benefit of the Somaliland people.The SDC circumvents the problem of non-recognition by providing a transparent, accountable and enforceable means by which investors can participate in Somaliland ventures. So the Somalilanders found a way how to deal with this and it seems to be working for now. And when it comes to aid the Brits and the danish give Somaliland some sort of bilateral aid, its not much to be excited about, but its working. So as i said it is not important Oday the end goal is much and much more important, than sadaqo gaalo bixnayso ileen sadaqo gaal bixinayo in la isugu faano ilamaha aniga adeer.

Mintid Farayar;927075 wrote: Xaaji let them vent. It's a painful time for many! The Azania/Jubba project is dead in the water after Hassan Sheikh played a clever game with the support of key international backers. We tried to warn those vested in the project about the forces arrayed against the plan but they wouldn't listen. Like the old saying, 'Wanka Wayn Ishiisu Cirka Ma’aragto Ilaa la Gawraco!' . We just have to make sure Somaliland doesn't fall for the same techniques/tricks when it comes to dealing with Hassan Sheikh and co. Indeed culusow played it very smart with the international community regarding the Kismayo Jubbaland issue including the relations with the Key IGAD countries, and his second achievement was signing a working agreement with the Garowe clan enclave sending the PM there Pirates now are singing a different tune.This would mean he would not get any opposition from that corner. You are correct we must be vigilant when dealing with Mr Culusow but Somaliland Politicians can see through him with the latest not attending the London conference.

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Xiinfaniin told us there would be a major triumph in the make up of jubbaland after the Kenya conference nothing at all look at this. Again Xiins predictions made no sense at all Masuuliyiinta maamulka oo dib Kismaayo ugu soo laabtay Qeeybo ka mid ah masuuliyiinta maamulka Kismaayo oo Nairobi maalmo ka hor gaaray ayaa maanta dib ugu soo laabtay Kismaayo. Nairobi ayaa waxaa ka dhacay shir ay isugu yimaadeen maamulka Kismaayo, masuuliyiin horey ugu sugnaa Nairobi, Igad iyo heeyado caalami ah oo Soomaaliya daneeya. Masuuliyiinta maanta magaalada ku soo laabatay ayaa la filayaa in ay warbaahinta la hadlaan si ay uga war bixiyaan wixii u soo qabsoomay. Warar hordhac ah ayaa sheegaya in shirkaa lagu qaadaa dhigay qorshooyin ay ka mid yihiin qorshooyin ciidan oo mar dhaw la filayo in la dardar galiyo.

^^ What are you talking about , the Kooonfurians can have it all as long as long as SL is Separate, the people of Somaliland are happy and so are its leaders with this fantastic decision. You can take all the aid you guys are addicted on. But Somaliland will not be attending the conference. As for Puntland and the rest for Somalia thats Something the Koonfurians have to solve them selves. The conference its self is just about Somalia probably about Somalia's improvements piracy shabab security and what not, it doesn't concern Somaliland. The only hot topic that concerns Somaliland is the Somalia and Somaliland talks and Somaliland will attend that and will also try to organize a conference in a foreign country along with Somalia, to talk to Somalia.

Not true that conference was organized by the British goverment and they chaired it remember how the Somalia media went crazy they thought Somalia would be put under a UN trustee ship. The previous conference and the upcoming conference there was a huge difference remember how David had a nice breakfast with all the Somali faction leaders except the Somaliland President and government. The upcoming conference will be organized by Somalia and the united kingdom and they will jointly chair it.Somaliland is right not to attend the conference we applaud the Somaliland goverment for doing that.

Man what are you talking about the war between the Somalilanders and General siad bare loyalists ended long time ago no need to bring that up we were just talking about the numbers of raskambooni in Kismayo thats all no need to bring up past conflicts.

Apophis;927048 wrote: Xaajio, I don't know why Kamboni's strength shocks you. Do you fear they'll soon be seeking revenge for the massacre you undertook in the late 80s against them? It's Godfather part 2, all debts are to be paid it doesn't shock me but they are not 3000 or more its not a correct number. Those who were the former allies of general Siad bare were defeated, do not act like you came to Somaliland with toy guns.

Xiinfaniin na wuxu isku haysta ninka ugu xogogaalsan:D bal weynu eegi waxa shirka Kenya ka so baxa,, anigu waan ku sheegey shirkaas wax micne samayneyse kama so baxayaan.

We lost entire districts of negelle moyalle guradamole filtu districts, to protect the land oday is right the numbers must rise in the region and there should be awareness about this issue. Haatu the Somali kilil admin and the Oromo kilil admin haven't agreed at all. Ileey and co tried several times to solve this. But the TPLF refused to solve this matter and want the status quo some how. The ONLF map is different but they to have not raised this issue unfortunately.

Look at the difference The actual Somali galbeed map

Haatu the people who say oromos are welcome are the people who want to destroy the Somali identity in Somali galbeed. they are the number one enemy of Somali galbeed people.The system the EPRDF introduced was good ethno nationalism the oromos in oromia the Amharas in the amhara kilil the tigrayans in the tigray kilil. The Somalis in Somali kilil the only problem we have is the oromos who want to behave like intruders and that needs to be stopped.

xiinfaniin;927035 wrote: What has Silanyo to lose? If this refusal holds, and does not get reversed as happened before due to diplomatic pressure, Siilaanyo will lose a lot of political leverage. Saying no is always the last resort. The leverage Siilaanyo has is Somaliland street (and by Somaliland I mean the three Mother clans). It is a credible threat to say the street will not support me if I get on certain political programs (unity with Somalia and like). It is totally another ball game when I actually refuse and say no, in essence fortifying the effort of other countries to mitigate the situation ... Saying 'NO' is a failure What you are forgetting is that Siilaanyo isn't saying no to talks with Somalia he welcomes that , he just says no to attending a conference for Somalia , which will not be beneficial for Somaliland. In addition president siilaanyo and his government are very flexible to hold talks with Somalia as long as they jointly organize the meeting in a foreign country. As for Somaliland and the people of Somaliland are united in this, the opposition parties the guurti elders and the religious leaders and the goverment including the diaspora. I think it was a very wise decision.

*ANWAR*;927034 wrote: Discussions / meetings is progress regardless if it's good for you or not, Somaliland will lose international respect by not attend the meeting. do not forget that Somalia has a FULL recognized government now, UN or individual countries have no good reason to Recognized Somaliland.. the only thing Somaliland can do is to wait for the next civil war in Somalia looool Nothing will really change in that sense that , Somaliland hasn't lost any respect from the international community the past 21 years the first conference they attended was that of last year. And because it was an international conference hosted by Britain chaired by Britain. This conference is different this one is a conference both Somalia and the UK jointly chair, so all in all Somaliland will lose nothing. The international community will continue to deal with Somaliland as a defacto state. And its separate process talks between Somaliland and Somalia will continue till a final settlement is reached when talking about Somaliland and Somalia's future relations. By the way European countries sill have no diplomatic relations with Mogadishu as they still haven't opened their embassies in Mogadishu. No one wants war for Somalia , why do koonfurians always think Somalilanders want war for Somalia, do you know how many refugees come to Somaliland because of the wars in Somalia. Somalilanders just want peace in the horn and want good relations with Mogadishu and Somalia, as brotherly nations side by side. No need for war , dagaal faiido ma leh.

^^ There is no point for that since the Amisom is there as peace keeping forces no group can fully control the city as long as Amisom is there.

Apophis just because Amiir Godane is an Ethnic Somalilander that doesn't mean we pay his bills no proof for that just false allegations. The raskmanbooni are there and have the most Somali Soldiers there, more than the so called SNA.But they are not close to 3000 man

*ANWAR*;927018 wrote: LOOOOL waar President hassan as Nothing to lose While Siilaanyo has everything to lose.. at present all the power lies in Mogadishu, Siilaanyo is shortsighted man What has Silanyo to lose? How will a conference in london about Somalia benefit Somaliland, you should look it from a Somaliland perspective not from a Somalia perspective. Ofcourse Hassan has nothing to lose its a conference for his country and he and the PM of the UK will co chair it. But whats it in for Somaliland?