^^ Yeah sure but Abdul disagrees

What does this have to do with recognition these people were killed in Xamar in 1989 and they deserve a respected burial that's all.

Alpha Blondy;930628 wrote: i've been suggesting this for over 10 years now. with the Glover Park Group at the helm, and Somalilanders dictating the direction, our hopes and aspirations could finally be realised. i just wish that incompetent wasiir ''baarjaj'' doesn't hijack this, too. the independent diplomat group has presence in SL, ee sida uula socoda. Dr bidaar has his shortcomings but when it comes to foreign policy all Somalilanders should support it. This was a good step in the right direction also there should be more lobby offices in African capitals. Somalilanders should put their nation before anything else Alpha freedom has a price but if Somalilanders pay it together than victory will be theirs.

Haatu;930726 wrote: What is an aas qaran if it isn't pure politics? Anyways, naga daa discussions about the dead. Where does it say aas qaran?

How is it Politicized

Back to the topic are there other plans with other lobbyist groups for Somaliland i think this was a step in the right direction.

^^ But if Somalilandeers do not want Somalia how do you want it to be solved? Not really are you saying that entire communities can be bribed I dont think hassan culusow and co care about Khatuma The eastern maakhirates held 3 clan conferences the last 3 months were 3 of their clans declared their support for SL and the govt in Hargeisa

OdaySomali;930710 wrote: You should take that to the Koonfurians and their 4.5 they need it

OdaySomali;930701 wrote: This is just rediculous! So where does this end? Why not let every village be an independent countr if that is what they so wish? When we have disagreements the solution is not to run away and turn away from eachother just so that a "politician" on the payroll of Ethiopia can call himself a "president" of a few villages and then live in relative luxury off the taxes he collects from old women and children in those villages and regions whilst they starve and see no benefit. The real benefit is in a political solution between all the Somalis of an effective, decentralised, accountantable and democratic government. Do you people not see that we are facing an existential threat here? Creating further divisins will be the last nail in the coffin! Why are you keep talking about Ethiopians they are not our problems these problems were caused by Koonfurians and Somalilanders who cant agree on sharing a country. I say that a say that as a solution Oday Somali why dont you talk about the Xabashi troops your goverment uses in bay bakool hiiraan gedo. Because people of Somaliland want independence now if jacpher thinks there are people who want the union i want every one to cast his vote in Somaliland whether he wants to stay with in Somaliland or with the Koonfurians its fair.

First of all i do not believe Somalis were destined to be together we were never one country never shared a country before the failed union in 1960 i believe the Somali speaking people do not even know each other that well. Also this threat that Ethiopia and Kenya that there is a conspiracy against Somalis is also out of the question. I also consider that the Somali identity it self is a lose cultural identity with no strong foundations and it surely should not be based on nationalism. Now you act that if Somalia has one of the best economies in Africa and that Somaliland desperately should stay with Somalia because they will gain. Somaliland is better of alone with a small population it can equally distribute the wealth of the country it has resources and it should invest in its own people. Population will increase in the next coming years Somalilanders should invest in their own people. Also recognition will help Somaliland modernize the country maybe its not in the interests of the koonfurians because they want to keep Somaliland unrecognized. But it will help Somalilanders politically diplomatically and economically. Somalilanders are one of the most creative entrepreneurial people in Africa they can easily transform their country if it has the same support the koonfurians got from the international community. Somaliland has shown that it works they have created viable institutions and democracy and good governance they just need to modernize their ports and Milk the Ethiopians since they are land locked and need SL port services. It already started on small scale industrialization of the country imagine if it has enough capital to invest in the country imagine how SL economy can grow. Just let me ask you one question do you think Somaliland would have been more developed if it stayed separate in 1960?

Well don't have sharia courts in our countries so chopping of heads is out of the question. But if one leaves the religion he can face the death penalty but if he didn't leave religion and he was born Christian than what is the problem

Dadkan maxay la qos qoslayaan Alpha adeerka Raymond so nin Christan ah mu ahaan jirin caruurtisa christaan bay ku dhasheen maha dad ridoobay oo diinta ka baxay Michael maryama caruurtisa maha dad ridoobay wa dad christaanimo lugu dhalay.

Malistar But Somaliland controls the vast majority of its territory including the sanaag and sool regions And they are barely a threat to Somaliland nor do they have territorial control. I think Somalia has deeper loop holes Jubbaland semi autonomous Puntland Galmudug Alshabaab and so on with both Ethiopia and Kenya having boots on the ground two can play that game:D But instead of wasting our resources on useless proxy wars why not cooperate why not turn Somalia and Somaliland as two brotherly nations why not transform them politically economically why not start all over a healthy coexistence between Somalia and Somaliland.

^^^I have said it before there should be a UN supervised referendum in Somaliland on independence village for village and those who want to leave that failed union should be given the chance to do that and those who want to stay with the koonfurians should be allowed i think that is the best solution for the eastern sool and eastern sanaag regions.Now would you accept that i would and i think i can sell that to the people of Somaliland.

Jacpher;930670 wrote: xaaji: how do you born Christian or Jewish :D Well if you were born into a christian family or a Jewish family

But thats the reality on the ground.

Jacpher;930667 wrote: Yes he does. I know you are in denial but for now, he's the official president of the only country in the horn of Africa, Somalia. If and when Somaliland is officially put on the world map as another African country in the horn, you can make that argument. Say yes to Mr. President Hassan now. Say is with me. He's my president. Yeah sure he rules Somaliland with 19000 African union troops on top of the Ugandan tank of General Bahuku u can call him the official or unofficial President he still does not rule Somaliland.The last President or dictator who walked on Somaliland soil was general siad bare and that was 26 years ago. You can draw as much maps as you want and say u own Somaliland or that Somaliland is part of your country but that wont make it happen and thats the real truth:D

^^ Every one fights for his dreams and his country no one wants to be ruled or be a second class citizens we have seen what a union with Somalia did to Somaliland. My friend people have done it before the Kurds are still fighting i see Somaliland chances of becoming a full fledged nation as something that can happen in the near future Somalia is not a regional power that can oppress Somaliland like turkey is doing with the kurds or china is doing with the people of Taiwan . if the Dinkas did it if the Kosovons did it if the Eritreans did it than sure Somalilanders will do it to. But u can call it misguided but if people do not want to share a country with you than that should be respected or do you want to force them? Now why dont you fix your country first and than talk about Somaliland

There is no such thing as freedom of religion in a Muslim country apostates should not be encouraged if they want to be Christians or Jews or Hindus they should do it else where. How ever born Christians families who were born as Christians or Jews should be respected.

Oromos are useless they are for no use and genetically they are much closer to their Amhara cousins than that they are to Somalis perhaps the arsi and harari oromos are close to Somalis. But the vast majority of oromos are closely associated with their Habasha cousins. And they have nothing to do with Somalis politically socially economically genetically linguistically. General siad bare just wanted to use these Folks because he wanted to incorporate some shared regions in the hararghe districts. it was purely political not because he cared for them. But we should not think that Policies of Siad bare as great policies he also supported the TPLF and look how they returned the favor to Somalis. Oromos should stay far away from Somalis.

Somali christian waxasi ma jirto

^^ As if he can rule over Somalilanders lol:D

Jacpher the shia might be misguided but they are still our brothers in Islam. Maaddeey because i love clear answers on crucial historical events and especially because it caused a friction with in the Ummah.

^^ Whats so funny oday Somali.

I welcome this anything that can contribute to the recognition of Somaliland should be considered even if that means paying a price the end goal is much sweeter guys always remember that.