Somalis know eachother well enough, after all we do speak one language, share a religion, share an ethnicity and a culture that is in many ways the same notwithstanding the unsertandable regional differences and there are regional differences in all countries. And if we do not know eachother well, we will get to know eachother well. I am talking about the Somalis in the Somalis republic, who are now, this very moment and have been in recent history in one single country that is internationally recognised, can be found on all maps of the world and is a member of the United Nations of the world. That country is the Somali Republic . Not true Somalilanders have never lived in Somalia before 1960 we got to know each other in 1960 politically socially nor did Somalilanders and the Koonfurians share a state or the same history in that sense. We never shared the same political culture nor the same tradition and cultural its self is a wider phenomena. We wont get to know each other because since 1991 we unintentionally developed separate political and national identities. Whether the former Somali republic is recognized as one nation or not is irrelevant of how Somalis know each other surely the UN will not bring them closer to each other. Somalis may not have shared a country before 1960 and we may not have a had a modern state but this is not a prerequisite to living in a country together, peacefully and working together to achieve common aims. i agree but because it never happened before and because it was a short lived experiment there are several aspirations working together can happen but on equal terms and respecting each others sovereignty. The reason why the Somali goverment failed was because it was badly structured and managed. The last Somali government failed because it was autocrative, oppresive, practiced nepotism and it used force against its own people. there was a concentration of power and there were no independently functioning national institutions which meant that when the cgovernment was overthrown the country came to a standstill and there was a lack of governance or public service provision. This is not something that is set in stone or cement, this is something that can be changed. The political structures can be changed to make government more decentralised, more effective,more accountable and more democratic. Institutions can be built and they can be made independent from government and there can be checks in place to make sure that they too are effective and accountable. You are right on that one that the Kacaan goverment and the governments before the kacaan were corrupt but it also because the people who controlled those goverments were highly corrupt. The political structures can be changed but you cannot change Koonfurian Politicians the divisions between them and the Mafia culture is very much present in Somalia. The state resources will always be some how used by a community against the other. Maybe to lesser extend as it was before but it will happen. The modern state is historically speaking a fairly recent development in many parts of the world, the Somali republic included. But if you say that Somalis cannot share a country then I say that Somalis in the north cannot share a country either. If you say that Somalis in the north (so called Somalilanders of which I am one) can share a country then i say that all Somalis can share a country. It is a matter of how and not if. It is question of how can we best share our country and work together and not can we share a county. And now you claim a Somalilander it gets funnier , but the thing is Somalilanders have shown they can share a country they have shown they can built a nation from scratch they have shown they can elect their leaders by casting their votes. They have shown what it is to have a unity. Somalis in Djibouti do not wish to share a country with Somalia , thats another example. The Somalis in Kenya are happy with their situation in kenya no one is calling for this ill unity only the folks of the south. Not true if Somaliland has oil and other resources and have better business incentives , it will be no use to share that wealth with Somalia when it can invest in their own country and people that will be much more profitable for Somalilanders and and higher overall GDP can be achieved. Having political and economic leverage when it comes to European countries and their market laws and prices for the export products of our countries can be played through a regional cooperation including several countries forming blocks and forging closer trade unions Countries like Djibouti Ethiopia Somalia Eritrea Somaliland Kenya can all work together when it comes to that. As for having a huge army i don't see why that is very necessary at the moment, Somaliland is not going at war with any one. Our fates are interdepedent and interlinked. Somaliland has not been recognised for the past 22 years and Somalis from the South have been flocking to the northern regions. When Somalis in the South are at peace that is also in the interest of Somalilanders as our fates are intertwined. Koonfurians have been flocking into Kenya to why is that a special case, i believe Somaliland if it was recognized the past 22 years it would have been far more developed than its now. Somalia in peace is also in the interests of Somaliland since Somalia is a neighbor Somaliland wishes to see a peaceful Somalia. Somaliland will relise only small marginal benefits economically. Because Somaliland will be a tiny impoverished, corrupt, desert country with bad governancel, no laws, no institutions, no infrastructure and incidentally happens to be next to the war ravaged Somali republic, And Somalia will have great infrastructure and have the best economy in Africa and will be a self reliant nation and will not be corrupt. Now i cannot take you really serious when it comes to that Somaliland has shown that it is possible to rebuild a nation ofcourse its still poor and there is huge unemployment but that all can be changed if Somalilanders work hard for their country and its heading the right direction for now. There you wrong again Somalilanders are very creative and very skillful i think that is one of the greatest things they have as people the country is not small. It doesn't need massive foreign investment it just needs to create a home grown economy based on industry in different sectors. Somaliland just needs to start an innovation based economy consisting of technology entrepreneurship and industry of different viaraties as they will find a way to create a higher productivity among its own people they will continue to invest in their own people. They have the people its people are highly educated they also have a full functioning state in place. It doesn't need Somalia a failed state to have a better Somaliland it doesn't any country in the world it has shown that. But there is no prescient in all of this and it needs to be done, through a process and i am sure Somalilanders will get there, because they are determined.

^^ Yeah sure but Abdul disagrees

What does this have to do with recognition these people were killed in Xamar in 1989 and they deserve a respected burial that's all.

Alpha Blondy;930628 wrote: i've been suggesting this for over 10 years now. with the Glover Park Group at the helm, and Somalilanders dictating the direction, our hopes and aspirations could finally be realised. i just wish that incompetent wasiir ''baarjaj'' doesn't hijack this, too. the independent diplomat group has presence in SL, ee sida uula socoda. Dr bidaar has his shortcomings but when it comes to foreign policy all Somalilanders should support it. This was a good step in the right direction also there should be more lobby offices in African capitals. Somalilanders should put their nation before anything else Alpha freedom has a price but if Somalilanders pay it together than victory will be theirs.

Haatu;930726 wrote: What is an aas qaran if it isn't pure politics? Anyways, naga daa discussions about the dead. Where does it say aas qaran?

How is it Politicized

Back to the topic are there other plans with other lobbyist groups for Somaliland i think this was a step in the right direction.

^^ But if Somalilandeers do not want Somalia how do you want it to be solved? Not really are you saying that entire communities can be bribed I dont think hassan culusow and co care about Khatuma The eastern maakhirates held 3 clan conferences the last 3 months were 3 of their clans declared their support for SL and the govt in Hargeisa

OdaySomali;930710 wrote: You should take that to the Koonfurians and their 4.5 they need it

OdaySomali;930701 wrote: This is just rediculous! So where does this end? Why not let every village be an independent countr if that is what they so wish? When we have disagreements the solution is not to run away and turn away from eachother just so that a "politician" on the payroll of Ethiopia can call himself a "president" of a few villages and then live in relative luxury off the taxes he collects from old women and children in those villages and regions whilst they starve and see no benefit. The real benefit is in a political solution between all the Somalis of an effective, decentralised, accountantable and democratic government. Do you people not see that we are facing an existential threat here? Creating further divisins will be the last nail in the coffin! Why are you keep talking about Ethiopians they are not our problems these problems were caused by Koonfurians and Somalilanders who cant agree on sharing a country. I say that a say that as a solution Oday Somali why dont you talk about the Xabashi troops your goverment uses in bay bakool hiiraan gedo. Because people of Somaliland want independence now if jacpher thinks there are people who want the union i want every one to cast his vote in Somaliland whether he wants to stay with in Somaliland or with the Koonfurians its fair.

First of all i do not believe Somalis were destined to be together we were never one country never shared a country before the failed union in 1960 i believe the Somali speaking people do not even know each other that well. Also this threat that Ethiopia and Kenya that there is a conspiracy against Somalis is also out of the question. I also consider that the Somali identity it self is a lose cultural identity with no strong foundations and it surely should not be based on nationalism. Now you act that if Somalia has one of the best economies in Africa and that Somaliland desperately should stay with Somalia because they will gain. Somaliland is better of alone with a small population it can equally distribute the wealth of the country it has resources and it should invest in its own people. Population will increase in the next coming years Somalilanders should invest in their own people. Also recognition will help Somaliland modernize the country maybe its not in the interests of the koonfurians because they want to keep Somaliland unrecognized. But it will help Somalilanders politically diplomatically and economically. Somalilanders are one of the most creative entrepreneurial people in Africa they can easily transform their country if it has the same support the koonfurians got from the international community. Somaliland has shown that it works they have created viable institutions and democracy and good governance they just need to modernize their ports and Milk the Ethiopians since they are land locked and need SL port services. It already started on small scale industrialization of the country imagine if it has enough capital to invest in the country imagine how SL economy can grow. Just let me ask you one question do you think Somaliland would have been more developed if it stayed separate in 1960?

Well don't have sharia courts in our countries so chopping of heads is out of the question. But if one leaves the religion he can face the death penalty but if he didn't leave religion and he was born Christian than what is the problem

Dadkan maxay la qos qoslayaan Alpha adeerka Raymond so nin Christan ah mu ahaan jirin caruurtisa christaan bay ku dhasheen maha dad ridoobay oo diinta ka baxay Michael maryama caruurtisa maha dad ridoobay wa dad christaanimo lugu dhalay.

Malistar But Somaliland controls the vast majority of its territory including the sanaag and sool regions And they are barely a threat to Somaliland nor do they have territorial control. I think Somalia has deeper loop holes Jubbaland semi autonomous Puntland Galmudug Alshabaab and so on with both Ethiopia and Kenya having boots on the ground two can play that game:D But instead of wasting our resources on useless proxy wars why not cooperate why not turn Somalia and Somaliland as two brotherly nations why not transform them politically economically why not start all over a healthy coexistence between Somalia and Somaliland.

^^^I have said it before there should be a UN supervised referendum in Somaliland on independence village for village and those who want to leave that failed union should be given the chance to do that and those who want to stay with the koonfurians should be allowed i think that is the best solution for the eastern sool and eastern sanaag regions.Now would you accept that i would and i think i can sell that to the people of Somaliland.

Jacpher;930670 wrote: xaaji: how do you born Christian or Jewish :D Well if you were born into a christian family or a Jewish family

But thats the reality on the ground.

Jacpher;930667 wrote: Yes he does. I know you are in denial but for now, he's the official president of the only country in the horn of Africa, Somalia. If and when Somaliland is officially put on the world map as another African country in the horn, you can make that argument. Say yes to Mr. President Hassan now. Say is with me. He's my president. Yeah sure he rules Somaliland with 19000 African union troops on top of the Ugandan tank of General Bahuku u can call him the official or unofficial President he still does not rule Somaliland.The last President or dictator who walked on Somaliland soil was general siad bare and that was 26 years ago. You can draw as much maps as you want and say u own Somaliland or that Somaliland is part of your country but that wont make it happen and thats the real truth:D

^^ Every one fights for his dreams and his country no one wants to be ruled or be a second class citizens we have seen what a union with Somalia did to Somaliland. My friend people have done it before the Kurds are still fighting i see Somaliland chances of becoming a full fledged nation as something that can happen in the near future Somalia is not a regional power that can oppress Somaliland like turkey is doing with the kurds or china is doing with the people of Taiwan . if the Dinkas did it if the Kosovons did it if the Eritreans did it than sure Somalilanders will do it to. But u can call it misguided but if people do not want to share a country with you than that should be respected or do you want to force them? Now why dont you fix your country first and than talk about Somaliland

There is no such thing as freedom of religion in a Muslim country apostates should not be encouraged if they want to be Christians or Jews or Hindus they should do it else where. How ever born Christians families who were born as Christians or Jews should be respected.

Oromos are useless they are for no use and genetically they are much closer to their Amhara cousins than that they are to Somalis perhaps the arsi and harari oromos are close to Somalis. But the vast majority of oromos are closely associated with their Habasha cousins. And they have nothing to do with Somalis politically socially economically genetically linguistically. General siad bare just wanted to use these Folks because he wanted to incorporate some shared regions in the hararghe districts. it was purely political not because he cared for them. But we should not think that Policies of Siad bare as great policies he also supported the TPLF and look how they returned the favor to Somalis. Oromos should stay far away from Somalis.

Somali christian waxasi ma jirto

^^ As if he can rule over Somalilanders lol:D

Jacpher the shia might be misguided but they are still our brothers in Islam. Maaddeey because i love clear answers on crucial historical events and especially because it caused a friction with in the Ummah.

^^ Whats so funny oday Somali.