^^ i doubt that the oromos and Somalis are neighbors and thats why there is some sort of similarities particulary eastern oromos. But the oromos are their own people and they were never the same people.

Apophis;929886 wrote: You started the fitna sxb, without the SNM fitna(and to a lesser extent, SSDF shenanigans) Somalia would have been under the benign rule of jaale siyaad. I wouldn't have had any problems with that; I miight have even joined the aiforce and randomly bombed Ethiopian villages in my spare time. Life would have been very good but you id!ots had to ruin it. General siad bare and his junta acted if they owned the country so he had to be defeated, the Somali republic existed before the General siad bare. But you can also blame your own uncle Ina Umar Jeess:D

^^ True the Bantu Somalis are Somalis lets not discriminate against the people of Somalia who are Somali all the way down.

Tallaabo;929890 wrote: ^ Xaaji there is no Oromo conspiracy to invade the the Somali territories or use culture and language to overtake us. Their expansion comes with their natural growth in population and the resultant movement of people in search of livelyhood. And in Galbeed, Somalis have little power to resist such influx of migrants as they are within the Ethiopian borders. Their might not be conspiracy but the eastern oromo tribes want to imitate the Somali and go from there they know their numbers will increase its not natural growth they breed like rabbits They have more children than the average Ethiopian

metta;929811 wrote: There is no Bantu expansion in Muqdisho as in permanent resettlement. The only reason why you see a rise in Bantus in Muqdisho is because they are IDP's. They are coming for services and shelter from the past famine and the Shabab and the violence. Once the violence ends, they will all go back to their areas. They don't want to start a new life in Muqdisho. They want to go back to their homes. Besides, Bantus are 1000x better than Oromos. Bantus work hard and contribute to society. They have a 0% unemployment rate among khat addicted skinnies. They do stuff regardless of the situation. Oromos don't. Oromos are lazy and unemployed here in Canada where there are opportunities. Forget about Africa. I don't mind if Oromos live in Somalia but they must be fully integrated in Somalia. They must claim Somali clans. They must learn Somali and must only speak in Somali. They must act and be a Somali. They must act as if the Oromo is an enemy. If not, Oromo expansion should be fought tooth and nail Its funny you say that if they claim Somali they will become Somali but that's not good since we do not want to conquer them them claiming Somali would have made sense if we wanted to expand into oromia but we are not after nazaret and adama. The Shewan Amharas did that they mixed with the local oromos and constructed the Shewen identity a mixed heritage. Thats how the Amaharas captured much of the oromo territory some where in the mid 1800s.The Amhara Kings and elites had a policy to mix with the indigenous oromos paternally and maternally, but the language that was spoken would be all the time Amharic and the religion would be orthodox Christendom so when Menelik was expanding he had oromo generals who spoke Amharic and thats how he further expanded into their territory and thats how the Amharas defeated the oromos and created the new Ethiopia. But we Somalis are not after their land we want to protect the Somali galbeed region from these intruders thats the objective.

No the problem is if they claim Somali culture language they will try to use that as a tool to invade the Somali territory u have to understand its a tool they use. So they need to be stopped on all fronts.

Sulleiman The Great;929807 wrote: the orormo are a good muslim people they are our genetically and culturally the closest thing somali have with the rest of the dark continent, the bantu expansion has been happening for hundreds of years, and right now its is in mugdishu, we somali need to understand that the oromo are our ally, we need to come together and look beyond tribal differences, build our nation raise our children with the strength and love to safeguard our land our people and our culture, if not we will go extinct, I for one dont care which path we choose nor will history. Ally in what you do know the oromos are the Bulk of the Ethiopian army you cannot forge an alliance with people who want to steal your land.

Tallaabo you nailed it even though i believe Bantus Metta is right that Bantus are much more productive than oromos.

CAR rebels 'seize' presidential palace President Francois Bozize flees to neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo as rebels take capital, Bangui. Last Modified: 24 Mar 2013 12:40 inShare 2EmailPrintShareFeedback WARNING: This video contains images that some viewers may find disturbing Rebels in the Central African Republic have said that they seized the presidential palace in the capital Bangui after heavy fighting. Sylvanne Omar Pordass, a spokesperson of the Seleka rebels, told Al Jazeera that the president had fled into the neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo. Government officials also confirmed that Bozize had fled into the neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo. "The rebels control the town," said Gaston Mackouzangba, a spokesman for the president. "I hope there will not be any reprisals." A foreign ministry official also confirmed to Al Jazeera that the rebels had taken control of the national TV and radio stations. Rebel leader Michel Djotodia is expected to make an address. The rebels resumed hostilities this week in the mineral-rich former French colony, vowing to topple Bozize, whom they accuse of breaking a January peace agreement to integrate its fighters into the army. The loose umbrella group of insurgents fought its way to the gates of the capital late last year after accusing Bozize of failing to honour an earlier peace deal to give its fighters cash and jobs in exchange for laying down their arms. "I think now that Bangui has fallen and the president is out, the citizens are hopeful there will be no more military violence," said Michael Amoah, an African political analyst based in London. "And the current prime minister stays in place; he is the choice of the rebels anyway." A spokesman for the prime minister, Nicolas Tiangaye, on Saturday called on the rebels to accept talks to "avoid a bloodbath." Tiangaye, an opposition figure, was only appointed as part of the peace deal brokered between the government and the rebels in January, an agreement that broke down last week. 'No direct threat' The violence is the latest in a series of rebel incursions, clashes and coups that have plagued the landlocked nation in the heart of Africa since its independence from France in 1960. Factbox: CAR Geography: It is bordered by Chad, Sudan, Congo, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Cameroon. Population: 4.5m inhabitants in 2011 Capital: Bangui Languages: Sango and French Religion: Around four-fifths are Christian. Also animist and Muslim. France, which already has some 250 soldiers stationed in the Central African Republic, sent in another company of 150 troops to secure Bangui's international airport, a diplomatic source said. "We have asked our citizens to remain at home. For the time being, there is nothing to be worried about," said the source. "There is no direct threat to our citizens at the moment." But the foreign ministry said on Sunday that France has no plans to send additional troops to the country. The airport, close to the heart of the capital, would be an important exit point for France's 1,200 citizens who live in CAR, mostly in Bangui. South Africa has sent some 400 soldiers to train Bozize's army, joining hundreds of peacekeepers from the Central African regional bloc. Regional peacekeeping sources said the South Africans had fought alongside the Central African Republic's army. State radio had announced late on Friday that South Africa would boost its troop presence after Bozize met his South African counterpart Jacob Zuma in Pretoria http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/03/201332481729584103.html

Central African Republic's Bozize flees presidential palace English.news.cn 2013-03-24 16:44:22 BANGUI, March 24 (Xinhua) -- Central African Republic President Francois Bozize fled the presidential palace in the capital Bangui 30 minutes before rebels began to zero in on the compound, the Presidency said on Sunday. The Presidency announced his flight after a local human rights observation group reported that Bozize was seen on route to Mbaiki 107 km south of Bangui. The announcement came amid fierce fighting around the presidential palace, which has been reportedly seized by the rebel Seleka coalition, according to the latest information.

Why is hiiraan reporting it than? Are they perhaps lying so unprofessional

Madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud Oo Kormeer Ku Tagay Xarumaha Ciidanka Dalka Somalia Ee Gobolka Banaadir Dar-daaran Adagna U Jeediyey Ciidamada. Madaxweynaha oo kormeerkiisa Gobolka Banaadir ku aadan maanta ayaa soo indha indheeyey xaaladda guud ee ciidanka .... Daawo Sawiradda Muqdisho (GNS)- Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyadda Federaalka Soomaaliya Mudane Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud ayaa kormeer guud ku tagay Xarumaha Ciidanka Xoogga Dalka ee Gobolka Banaadir gaar ahaan Wasaaradda Gaashaandhiga iyo Xarunta Taliska Xoogga Dalka ee Villa Baydhabo. Madaxweynaha oo kormeerkiisa Gobolka Banaadir ku aadan maanta ayaa soo indha indheeyey xaaladda guud ee ciidanka Xoogga Dalka Soomaaliyeed. Halkaas oo uu kula kulmay Saraakiisha iyo qaar ka mid ah ciidanka xoogga Dalka Somalia. Madaxweyne Xasan Shiikh ayaa mar uu la hadlayey Ciidanka Xoogga Dalka kula dardaarmay inay dhowraan sadexda wax ee ay ku dhaartaan oo ah Dalka, Diinta iyo Dadka. Madaxweynaha ayaa mar kale ku celiyey in Ciidanku uu dhowro Asluubta iyo Anshaxa Xoogga Dalka wuxuuna sheegay in Ahmiyadda koowaad ee dowladdu ay tahay Amniga dalka lagana doonayo Ciidanka Xooggu inay keenaan. “U Dulqaadan mayno Askari Asluub daran, ma aqbali doono kufsi iyo shacabka in la dhibaateeyo. Cidina kama sareyso Sharciga. Askarigii Dambi galena Maxkamad ayaa lasoo taagayaa, waxaana lala keenayaa Sarkaalkiisa” Sidoo kale Madaxweynuhu wuxuu sheegay inaysan dowladi jiri Karin Amni la’aan waxaanu Yidhi “Waana inaan si wadajir ah oo iskuduubni leh u difaacnaa Dalkeena, kana caabinna Cadowga gudaha iyo Dibadaba” Isagoo Hadalkiisa Sii Watana Wuxuu Yidhi “Isbedelka Ciidankeena waad garan kartaan, Shalay maanta ayaan ka fiicanahay, Berrina Guul waarta ayaan gaareynaa Insha Allah” Ayuu Yidhi Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud.

Somali foreign minister on the withdrawal of the Ethiopian troops http://togaherer.com/wasiirka-arrimaha-dibada-somaliya-isla-markana-ah-raysal-wasare-kuxigeenka-somalia-oo-ka-hadashay-bixitanka-ciidanka-eithiopia/

Dagaal culus oo Ciidamada Dowladda Soomaaliya, kuwa Itoobiya iyo Xoogaga Al-shababa oo ka dhacay Gobolka Gedo Axad, Maarso 24, 2013 (HOL) — Dagaal u dhexeeya ciidamada dowladda oo gacan ka helaya kuwa Itoobiya iyo xooggga Al-shabaab ayaa maanta ka dhacay duleedka degmada Garbahaarey ee xarunta gobolka Gedo, kaasoo geystay khasaare aad u xooggan. Sarkaal u hadlay dowladda oo lagu magacaabo, Col. Cabdi Barre Cabdi ayaa sheegay in ciidamada dowladda ay weerarka ku qaadeen halka loo yaqaan birta-dheer oo 18-km Koonfur kaga beegan degmada Garbahaarey oo ay ku sugnaayeen xoogagga Al-shabaab ayna ka qabsadeen. “Ciidamada dowladda iyo Itoobiya ayaa ku sugan deegaanka, dagaal kaddib waa laga saaray Al-shabaab, ciidamada dowladduna waxay kusii socdaan hadda dhinaca degmada Buur-dhuubo,” ayuu yiri Col. Barre oo saxaafadda la hadlay isagoo ku sugan deegaankii lagu dagaalamay. Isagoo ka hadlaya khasaaraha dagaalka ka dhashay ayaa wuxuu sheegay in dhankooda ay jiraan askar ka dhaawacantay, balse ay Al-shabaab ka dileen ciidammo fara badan kuwo kalena ay ka dhaawaceen, wuxuuna xusay inaan hadda la sheegin karin khasaaraha rasmiga ah ee dagaalka ka dhashay. Balse warar hoose oo la helayo ayaa sheegaya in tiro ka badan 10 askari oo labada dhinac ah ay ku dhinteen dagaalka, dhaawucuna uu ka badan yahay laabatameeyo, iyadoo dagaalkan oo la isku adeegsaday hubka kala duwan uu socday muddo saacado ah. Al-shabaab weli kama aysan hadlin dagaalkan, waxaana dagaalku uu kusoo beegmayaa xilli maamulka goblka Gedo ay sheegeen inay wadaan qorshe ay Al-shabaab uga saarayaan deegaannada ay kaga sugan yihiin gobolkaas. Degmada Buur-dhuubo iyo degmada Baardheere oo ka tirsan gobolka Gedo ayaa waxaa ka tirsan Al-shabaab, iyadoo degmooyinka kale ee gobolkaas ay ka taliyaan maamullo hoosyimaada dowladda Soomaaliya oo gacan ka helaya ciidamada Itoobiya iyo kuwa Kenya ee ka tirsan AMISOM.

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Naxar Nugaaleed;929799 wrote: 1, Cigal yuu daba fadhiyah? No thats not what am saying at all. I honestly coudn't care who ruled as for 50 years "konfurians" or "somalilanders". Honest to god I would be happy if a bajuni from our southern Swahili coast ruled us. We have lost what it means to be Somali. From jibouti to Kismaayo, harar to mogadishu. wishful thinking yes but, just because somaliwein is not an option, does that mean we become cannibals and gulp up in mini clan fiefdoms what we control of ardu Sooomaal. The simple truth is this haajiyow, if there is nothing between you and Somaliwain, there is nothing between you and rer awdal or rer bari. Somalinemo is the only thing between us. So when you demonize "Konforians" know that your demonizing people supposedly in your idea of Somaliland. Ruunta! Well the fact remains that there was never Somali unity there was some sort of cultural bond but there was never a national bond.nationalism is an alien concept among Somalis. it was also very short lived, because it never had any place in Somali society. We went along with it because our grandparents thought it was the best thing to do at that time. But we never had a structured state before colonialism even during the fight for independence we never shared the same pain in the same political order each region/country experienced their own historic events and struggled on their own terms.And our grand parents tried to unite all of that and tried to create a whole new historic artificial Somali National identity. But it was really based on weak fundamental principles our national identity because we kept on repeating the same mantra's we speak the same language adhere the same religion are from the same ethnic group. But in reality those were just words we kept on repeating hence why it lasted for a very short period of time.Not to forget those koonfurians were looking for the same political leverage and could have cared less but the Somalilanders were honest at that time when it came to Somaliweynism, As for bajuni president the bajunis are not even allowed to claim their ancestral homeland Kismayo let alone become president in a country lol. If Somalia was strictly based for Somalia and they tried to find solution with in the context of their own history and own people instead of trying to bring in other Somalis from Somali galbeed Somaliland NFD. i think Somalia would have been a success, i believe there would have never been a civil war and never a state collapse. Imagine not having to fight the shifta wars the Somali galbeed wars 1964 1977. the SNM wars. All of that could have been avoided if it was strictly for Somalia just like all the other normal African nations. As for Somaliland, Somalilanders have shared values and ethics and traditions and political culture and furthermost the same history of national construct.This how ever was deeply undermined by the various koonfurian Regimes of Somalia. And they tried to create frictions between Somalilanders along tribal lines. Between reer ceerigaabo and reer laas qoray between reer gabiley and reer borama between reer borama and reer seylac between reer qorilugud and reer Buhoodle, between reer caynabo and reer laascaanood and so on. Now with the re declaration of independence of Somaliland in 1991 the Somalilanders have reclaimed those lost shared historic and national values as Somalilanders. Their quest for Somaliland statehood struggle did create a common renewed Somaliland identity. Even the most hardcore unionist Professor samatar said it so many times it was the people of Somaliland who were calling the loudest for union with Somalia at some time of the history and that they Somalilanders share the same bond a much closer bond as people than they share with other Somali speaking people.

Mintid Farayar;929764 wrote: Ditoore Osman, It's truly a source of great amusement to see you interject photos of the 'great' Bosasso and other sister cities into every possible thread regardless of relevance to the topic at hand. Do carry on.... He always does that for some reason if we are discussing the weather in Spain Dr osman will find a way to post few buildings of Bosaaso.

War qawanaan baan ku socdaye eeh macawiis i siyaaa:D

^^ He is saying only certain tribes are allowed to rule and the rest have to bring out the pom poms and do the cheer leading,he said if only 2 tribes are allowed to rule than what am i doing in Xamar i should be in Hargeisa. He also said that Koonfurians all have hidden agenda's mostly clanish based, he went on and on about 4.5.

Its because he is a Somali Kenyan reer NFD are better and more honest than reer Somalia reer Somalia all have hidden agenda's. Even you oba you are a Unuka supremacist you dont want to give back the homes in Xamar nor do you want to share xamar with the cadcads.

Also in the minds of the Koonfurians psychologically the Koonfurians exclude Somaliland from their country unintentionally they don't know but they say it when they describe their Somalia geographically they say raaskaambooni ila raas caseer. So oodweyne is right there was never Somali unity and those who promote are not even honest with themselves but are clanish to the core and all have hidden agenda's

Naxar are you saying reer Somalia ilahay ba u qoray inay mar walba xukumaan reer Somaliland na ay daba fadhistaan, reer Somaliland inay aqbalaan.Lets just say if Somalilanders ruled for the past 50 years how do you think koonfurians would have felt Obviously professor samatar is the last remaining unionist because he thought you could share something with Koonfurians he was proven wrong. The union it self in 1960 was wrong the foolish SL politicians were naive and were dreaming of an elusive Somali empire. I believe if the union never happened Somaliland today would have been more developed in technology infrastructure and even more advanced as a nation. Union with Somalia brought only misery war famine not just for Somalilanders but also for Koonfurians the Somalilanders shock the foundation and the Political culture of the Koonfurians. Sometimes you just have to accept your differences in order to co exist. And professor samatar is slowly seeing the light that there is nothing in Xamar for him.

if people were all like Haatu Somalia would never been in a civil war and Somalia would be a fantastic country can we swap the Somali Kenyans for qolo aan ogahay

Mintid nacam ku adimayoo ku adimay akhirka meel ba la isugu so ururayaa:D