Carafaat;931793 wrote: Baashi, The Federal Goverment has many diffrent options here. If I were to advise Hassan Sheick on his next move, then I would definetly suggest to divide and rule by appointing Provincial administrations for each Gobol (Bak, Bakool, Gedo, Middle Juba, Lower Jubba, Lower Shabbele, etc) loading them with cash and some military muscles. This way you can appoint many more 'locals' to diffrent positions and knowing how clannish our folks are, it will definetly work to create administration that are close to the people and have grassroot support. SPOT on carafaat thats the way forward i think hassan culusow sees that is about to do that.

^^ Carafaat dont worry this government will be a success Hassan culusow and co will find a way to solve this. They have what it takes the only problem is now the Jubbaland issue that needs to be solved. When that is done the goverment can fully govern the country.

Naxar waranle is right the supreme judge is not what we think he, this is not the civilized world the United states and Europe.

xiinfaniin;931763 wrote: This is what I think: The President initially (somehow) thought he could engineer South Central regions to his liking using his interior minister. I think with Kismayo being the way it is, he will have no choice but rethink his strategy toward federalism. He cannot single-handedly define what federalism means for Somalis. It is notable that he dislikes it but cannot say so for obvious reasons. He will be best advised to take following steps to defuse the situation: 1- Help the consultative process in Kismayo, not hinder it, but personally going there and giving speech about how bad the federalism is for Somalia but affirm his obligation to uphold the constitution which mandates federalism as the supreme political structure of the land. Endorse the gathering and pledge support and cooperation for the resultant administration 2- Help Bay and Bakool community to organize similar conference in Baydhabo to establish state of their own. Do the same (visit, pledge support etc) 3- Repeat 1 & 2 for the remainder of the South Central region in a effective and productive manner...facilitating and all. 4- Address the question of Mogadishu and put concrete policies in place to remake the image of the capital. Address the plight of IDPs, the properties (personally owned or public) 5- Engage with the parliametn to expedite fleshing out clauses relating revenue sharing , resource allocation, integration of national army and development money distribution 6- Once he gets all of this in place, talk to Somaliland (involving Khatumo & Puntland as stake holders in the outcome) as the leader of Somalia and hammer out a deal that does not damage Somalia's territorial integrity and does not cause political and security implosion to that stable region. This is free advise from SomaliaOnline to our beloved President Hassan Sheekh Thank god you are not President Hassans adviser He has better advisers http://www.allsanaag.com/index.php/43-war-soomaali-ah/2015-war-murtiyeedka-ururka-irir-samaale

Although the professor has a point when he talked about the duopoly about Somalia. But there are other factors that play a role to, but if Somalia wants to have peace and Somalis want to rebuild their country they need to reintegrate, as people. Waranle you as puntlander is talking for Jubbaland because of Clan it kills the very own foundation of what federalism should be like. You are not involved on how gal hiiraan state should be established or other regions. We have brother Xiin a Puntlander who is also very much involved in the Jubbaland if the provincial regions of Somalia are separately administrated with a governor with a decentralized form of a state. You will not have problems like we are having now. Also another point that needs to be addressed if federalism was given a good chance to succeed it should not be based on clan. But Mudug and Galguduud hiiraan should join Puntland. Bay bakool gedo lower juba middle juba middle shabelle and lower shabelle should become one state. Than you have 2 very diverse strong federal states.

^^ The problem is if you encourage clan federalism some communities will always be dissatisfied, people think clan federalism will heal the wounds but it will just create more animosities between the clans. The president is not the problem its the people of Somalia so called stake holders qurba joogs who do not want a better future. They want to institutionalize clan states where one clan dominates the other, it can never work in Somalia.

I think hassan wants to Kill clan federalism and unite bay bakool gedo and the 2 jubbas and lower shabelle and middle shabelle. Its still federalism just a different flavor.

Article 49 (b) The parameters and conditions it shall use for the establishment of the Federal Member States; © The number of the commissioners, requirements of membership, nomination methods, office tenure, and their remuneration. (4) The number and the boundaries of the districts in a Federal Member State shall be determined by a law enacted by the parliament of the Federal Member State, which must be approved by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.

If you give me a quote where i called for violence i will give you the benefit of the doubt:D In the mean time the goverment stands strong in this.

Never ever called for violence i am a peace maker Xiinow, i am for peace and harmony in the region. The goverment stands strong in this they believe they are the true representatives of the people and are responsible for the people safety security and well being. Ofcourse they will try to conciliate the various communities and try to bring the stakeholders and the territory under the control of the federal goverment. And with the deployment of new troops from sierra leone the have what it takes to pursue their objectives.

According to the constitution the legal set up and formation of the state should be approved by the parliament, the locals should organize their communities and the goverment should facilitate and coordinate the federal structure of the state remember the federal goverment is the legitimate goverment of the country. So all three are essential when it comes to building a grassroot administration. Another problem is Alshabaab, the region is not fully liberated so building a viable state at the moment will be very difficult. Another problem is who are the stakeholders and the locals who should verify who is a local elder and who is not lots of things need to be done before a state can be established.

The Jubbaland process of forming a clan dominated state shows how ugly clan federalism can be lets see how it goes, i believe the government can overcome this one.

Samafal imam ahmed guray raids he had many oromo foot soldiers mostly from the arsi, and some somali clans married from the gallas and are maternally gallas. The same as the Somali clan u mentioned because of their interaction with the gallas they are closely associated. Garaad wiilwaal was the galla defeater and he cleaned them from the territory.

War Deg deg ah— Ciidamadii Gedo ka yimaadey ee duleedka Kismaayo fadhiyey oo qabsadey Warshada hilubka iyo Ciidan ku wareegsan Ciidamadii ka yimid Gedo ee fadhiyey duleedka Kismaayo ayaa maanta si lama filaan ah ku qabsadey Warshada Hilibka waxayna isku dayayaan iney gudaha usoo galaan Magaalada, Ciidanka Magaalada horey u joogay ayaa hada ku wareegsan Ciidankaan qabsadey Warshada. Raysal wasaare Saacid ayaa markey burbureen Wada hadalkii Dowlada iyo Maamulka kumeel gaarka u socdey waxaa laga hayaa inuu yiri “Hadaad diideen inaad yeeshaan saan ku taliney xoog baad ku maqlaysaan”". Faahfaahinta warkaan goor dhow naga filo.

Kismayo talks collapse says Somali government Somali Interior minister Abdkarim Hussien Guled Hiiraan Online Friday, March 29, 2013 After five days of negotiations, Somalia’s federal government announced collapse of the long awaited talks led by the Somali prime minister Abdi Farah Shirdon and Kismayo’s interim governor Ahmed Madobe. Somali Interior minister Abdkarim Hussien Guled who has accompanied the prime minister in Kismayo talks made the announcement at a press conference in the city. “Negotiations between Somali federal government and Kismayo interim administration hit a deadlock” said Mr. Abdikarim. He pointed out that his government made many sacrifices for it’s constitutional rights in order to break the deadlock and accused the interim administration for not doing enough to reach a political settlement. “Our discussions were focusing on the creation of local administration, management of the port and airport, security, reconciliation and the liberation of the remaining areas, but all of them collapsed after the local leaders made unconstitutional demands” said the minister. There are reports indicating that some of the federal government delegation have left Kismayo following the disagreements. Interim administration of Kismayo which is led by Shiekh Ahmed Madobe is yet to comment on the matter. The failure of the talks came after Somali Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon arrived in Kismayo on Tuesday with high level delegation of ministers and MPs and started direct negotiations with local leaders.

Maaddeey berigi shabaab haysatey meesha cid is qab qabsanaysey mey jirin

The angry faisal rooble if faisal rooble is pissed hassan sheikh is doing a fantastic job:D

I know his father his father was a great intellectual and scholar and wrote many books about Somalis and their history.

This HAG man is well versed on even SL issues You praised whole heartily singer Saada Ali Warsame and believed boosting up rumours saying that Saada is brave singer who sang the famous “Land cruiser song” composed by Abdi Muhumud Amiin. It is true that in the troubled years of the 90s Saada was courageous and had sung anti regime songs, but she later changed her struggle to become tribal minded. Traditionally, Somalis are ardent supporters to their tribe rightly or wrongly, and Saada was one of them despite her fame, talent, & sweet voice. Saada unfortunately played her role in the civil war and supported her tribe particularly the battle of ‘Kalshaale’ between the Garaad clan and HJ tribes. Currently she composed new song “dhiigshiil hadhigan = don’t deposit your savings in Dahabshiil” in order to destroy Dahbshiil’s reputations as a Company, owned by HJ businessmen, please see the below link:

Wa DegDeg Ah–Wadahadalkii Kismaayo uga socdey Dowlada FS iyo Maamulka KMG Kismaayo oo lagu kala kacay, iyo Dowlada oo loo qabtey ilaa beri Warar rasmi ah oo hada soo gaaray Puntlandi ayaa sheegey in wadahadalkii labada Gudi uga socdey Kismaayo in laku kala kacay iyadoon wax heshiis ah laga gaarin. Labada Gudi ee kala matalayay Dowlada Federaalka Soomaaliya iyo Maamulka Kumeelgaarka ah ee Kismaayo ayaa wadahadaladoodu burbureen galabta makhribkii saacada Kismaayo, ka dib markii qodobada qolo walba soo bandhigtey ay u cubtami waayeen qolada kale. Dhinaca kale Gudiga maamulka KMG ah ee Kismaayo iyagu waxay ka fuqi waayeen kuna dhaganyihiin in aysan sinaba uga kaaftoomeyn howsha ay waden labada sano oo ah in maamul Goboleed loo sameeyo Jubooyinka iyo Gedo halka qolyaha ka socda Dowlaadu ay iyana ku dhagan yihiin oo ay soo jeediyeen in qashinka lagu daro maamul Goboleedka Jubaland State badalkiisana la sameyo Maamul u gaara Gobolka Jubada Hoose oo lix bilood kumaal gaar ah. War hoose oo rasmi ah oo ay heleen Howlwadeenada Puntlandi waxay sheegayaan in Gudiga Maamulka Kumeel Gaarka ah ee Kismaayo ay Dowlada u qabteen mudo 12 saac ah iney ku cadeeyaan Mowqifkooda ama ay isaga noqdaan meeshii ay ka yimaadeen. Waxaa hada la sugayaa 12 kaas saac gudeheeda in isbadala dhaco iyo in kale hadii kale waxaa la qabanayaa shir jaraa’id oo lagu sheegayo in lagu kal tagay wada hadaladii iyadoon xal laga gaarin. Hadiise Dowladu isbadal iyo ka waantoobid ka sameyso qodobada ay soo jeediyeen wadahadalka dib ayaa la isugu soo laabanayaa beri subax. Puntlandi.com Kismaayo

Somaliland becomes the 4th African Country to have Mining Code Somaliland became the 4th African state to have an especial mining code for the exploration of minerals in the country. This mining code will help Somaliland to attract international companies and for mining to invest and implement mining projects in the country. The Mining companies will also compete with investment of the mining and digging of minerals in Somaliland. OREZONE Company – has succeeded investing the implementation of this especial mining code in Somaliland which was prepared by International Lawyers. And this code will be the main key for a new investment plan that OREZONE Company is going to start mining operation in the country. In an official letter written by Vice President of OREZONE Mr. Gregory Bowes to Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo, he said, “This mining code will be helpful to Nubian Gold and my efforts, I am sincerely interested in helping the country of Somaliland attract other companies to come by creating a mining code that is fair to both industry and to the government of the people of Somaliland. I would also like to take this opportunity to recognize the efforts of your ambassador Mr. Mohamed Ismael in promoting Somaliland and encouraging me to come Somaliland.” Gregory Bowes is the owner of Nubian Gold Corporation and dynamically partaken the company to come and invest in Somaliland. In an exclusive interview with Somaliland Ambassador to Canada Mr. Mohamed Ismail who was the leading person who helped this company to come and invest mining in the country gave The Republican further details about this company and said, “I would like to take this opportunity to thank Somaliland President Ahmed Silanyo and his Vice Abdurrahman Sayli and other government officials for their support to make everything possible that this company to start his mining work and to implement mining code in Somaliland for the first time in history and without them nothing could be achieved.” In response to company’s legality for mining and its planned activities, the ambassador answered, “After the President welcomed this investment, Somaliland Ministry of Water and Minerals had reached an official agreement with Nubain Gold Corporation – an agent for the OREZONE Company. Subsequently this agreement was confirmed by cabinet. And I have been working for 3 years to influence this company to come Somaliland.” Mr. Ismail added that his dreams came true after he succeeded to bring this mining company to Somaliland. “The company has already started his phase 1 activities including; a) implementing the mining code in the country. B) Giving capacity building trainings for graduate students – Geologists’ – as well as providing their remunerations. The second phases of Company’s activities are also including explorations which will be conducted in the western regions of the country and will be continuing for almost 4 months. The estimation budget of this exploration work will be $ 1.25 Million. The company has also planned to implement the digging and mining work in February 2013. This is the first time that Somaliland Republic have a special International mining code

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Haatu;931525 wrote: Surrendered? We tried armed resistance and it got us nowhere so we chose to accept the colonial borders for the time being and live in peace. That's called intelligence and thinking of the greater good, not surrendering. As a result, hundreds of lives have been saved and maanta soomaali oo dhan baa gobolkeena qaxooti ku ah. What I don't get is what is wrong with the Oromo of that region. The Borana in NFD aren't doing this and they live side by side peacefully with the Somalis barring the occasional skirmish over wells. Haatu dont mind Bitter Puntlanders they dont know what they are talking about, the NFD people fought hard but right now to fight for independence is not the right timing but that reer NFD keep the north eastern province a Somali region makes every Somali proud in the Somali peninsula and the Somalis should develop their region there and take part of the Politics there as they are now doing. And when the time comes self determination even up to independence can be considered. The Borana oromos in Kenya are not even considered Kenyans they live there as Gypsies they are not even considered one of the Kenyan groups.

Safferz;931524 wrote: In this thread alone you've described them as weak, inferior, threatening to invade, our enemies, etc. What do you consider hatred, if not the vitriol and fanaticism you post here about the "Oromo threat"? You are an Ethiopian. And no, I'm not Oromo. if some one tries to invade my land than surely i will consider him an enemy , but if he wants peace and live side by side than he can be a good neighbor thats how i view it. Now i am an Ethiopian stop insulting me hada i am a noble Somali.