xiinfaniin;932942 wrote: Xaaji, the enemy clan is the one you despise in Jubba , in Puntland , in Khatumo and in Jigjiga, so don't deny your deep wishes to see them weakened and defeated , they have Allaah though and have survived How can i despise those communities when they are my closest family

Apophis;932941 wrote: You want me to defend my "goal", I won't, in the same way you're not defending yours, as you assume it's a given; mine is too. Well there are few things that need to be said before we go into that how does the goverment view Jubbaland Kismayo, the AU troops there and the raskambooni movement Second how does it view Somaliland in the said talks and how does it want to clarify the future relations between SL and Somalia. Is there a clanish undertone playing a role from the HAG elements in Xamar, who do want to have a say in the Kismayo affairs. i will be defending Somaliland from, Hassan culusow and his goverment when it comes to dealing with him and keeping SL independent sovereign from any one Now Apophis when are you going to defend Jubbaland Waranle does a far better job than you and you claim to be a native how does that work.

I have no problem with Jubbaland or any other state i am just analyzing how the government is approaching this state from the beginning i said it before the current goverment of Somalia wishes to have one entity from southern galkacyo to the Kenyan border. This is what i think but people forming their own state i have no problem with that. My philosphy was always waxay dadku isla jecelyihin xaajiguna wala jecelyahay.

Xiinfaniin there is no such thing as an Enemy clan Back to the topic there are many people who lost their properties in Mogadishu and many of them lost their documents in the war so it will be hard to verify. Perhaps the looters themselves should proof they own these properties?

Apophis you are more focused on me if i join Ukraine or join the aboriginals that is not your main concern isn't your main objective the establishment of a Jubbaland, hadalku ninkan halku wax ka mara. its like you do not even want to reach your goal?

^^ Che when u fled Xamar i think the last think you thought was where are the documents of my house, but more get the cash and lets move out.

^^ Thats more like it and now we have to discuss what they are planning and how are they going make it happen

Ooh this is going to be interesting

Apophis what i want is not important because that was clear from the begnining what the Mogadishu goverment wants is more important and they are hinting for a decentralized form of governance.

Envy why should i Envy them , SL and Jubbaland have no border quarrels or conflicting interests Xiinfaniin stop creating unnecessary problems. So Xiin what do you think the next step of the government will be

Xiinfaniin do you think Siilaanyo will change his mind and be honest what do you think. I think he is addressing the issue because SL media have been reporting that there were some sort of political pressures coming from Washington and London regarding the London conference and Somaliland possible absence from that conference.

But we are not pursuing the same dreams well at least not in the same way , Somaliland and the O'gadenia can be compared in different dimension but not when it comes to the Kismayo objective and Somaliland aspirations. And how the Mogadishu goverment approaches the 2 are also very different. But my question what is next from here forget about what people will get and not get. What is next for the Jubbaland community who want to establish a state.

Mudane Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud waxa uu mar kale ku celiyay inaanay Somaliland ka qeyb geli doonin shirka London, waxaanu yidhi “Shirka London sidii aan hore u sheegnay kama qayb gelayno, oo waxaanu u aragnaa in aanu na khusaynin, danina aanay ugu jirin qaranka Somaliland”. Madaxweynuhu waxa uu intaasi ku daray “Wada hadalada Somaliland iyo soomaaliya waxa ahaayeen barnaamij socda oo ka soo bilaabmay shirkii London 12-kii bishii February ee sanadkii 2012-kii, kaasi oo ay dunidu fagaare ku go’aamisay in Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya ka wada hadlaan mustaqbalkooda siyaasadeed, intaasi ka dib waxa dhacay labadii kulan ee London iyo Dubia, waxaanan ku kala saxeexanay qodobo dhaxal gal ah hor dhacna u ahaa wada hadaladaa.” “Mana jiraan wax iska kaaya bedelay diyaarna waanu u nahay in loo wada hadlo si siman, mana jirto cid nagu khasbaysaa wax aanay dani ugu jirin ummadayada,”ayuu yidhi Madaxweyne Axmed Siilaanyo

Saaxib ma garanayo waxan aad ka sheekaynisid waxan kala hadlayo wa siyasad adna Qaad iyo sheeko mirqaan baad ka sheekeyneysa iyo qaad la joojiyo:D , nimanki OG maxa ku dhacay hadalka wa heli jireen meeshu wax ka jirin sidi ahayd bay u abaari jireen. Apophis saaxib ur not from the traditional folks anu niqinay where is the Zack when u need him or Abtigis.

I was correct that he wanted to establish that for for the 11 middle and southern regions when he came to office i said the President needs the resources and man power to have a strong entity in southern and central Somalia Where the foundation of the Somali state will re emerge. This clears everything for those who thought that the President wanted to create lose federal states in south and central Somalia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uRbiYjHAVoY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

The Somali government hardly talks about hargeisa the only time they talk about hargeisa and SL is when its about the said talks between SL and Somalia. But the governments in Mogadishu is sending mixed signals towards kismayo regarding the state making of that region. I wonder what is going on where is this heading. I have to talk about Somalia because , Somalia Mogadishu government technically still claims Somaliland. If there is a thieve in my neighbors garden he surely will effect me what do you say Apophis.

^^ And who is going to stop qaadka. General bahuku i dont think so , Apophis do not worry about SL , its in very good hands, what you going to do about the current goverment that wants to halt the Jubbaland project. If you have an entire region that has a separate admin and one region middle juba not even liberated and the lower juba being contested by SNA troops and raskambooni movement. How will this go.

^^ By whom , Apophis centralism is coming your way be ready for it or hassan culusow and co want to unite the six regions bay bakool gedo the 2 jubas and lower shabelle and middle shabelle. Either way the Jubbaland thing will not materialise as long as ur goverment is opposing it. Or they want to fully control the region before they allow any one to establish a state.

Lol, centralism is on its way

I dont get what is this supposed to mean?

Southern Buhoodle district is 12% of Togdheer how is that badh , badh is almost half Salax Somaliland controls large parts of eastern sanaag. Sool is also controlled by SL only the taleex district is out of SL control.

First of all this is Africa , African countries are always poorly managed whether it will be now or in the future it just needs more accountability. To argue that a union with Somalia is attractive for Somalilanders than or in the future u are dead wrong. The political structures cannot be changed since now you have institutionalized clanism 4.5 and clan federalism. Nor can you change Koonfurians and their political culture. You said that a higher GDP if Somalia unites with Kenya it will have an overall higher GDP but that doesn't mean the GDP per capita will change. There is no need for much economic integration currently between Somalia and Somaliland. Even separately as two states its not beneficial. From a Somaliland perspective, since Somaliland is 1/3 of the former Somali republic. Taxation controlled by Koonfurians will never be equally distributed. While if SL corporations invest abroad the SL goverment can tax the SL corporations and the tax revenues will be re invested in Somaliland and not Somalia. The resources in SL these resources will be shared between the 4 million Somalilanders even if Somaliland modernizes its ports it doesn't have to share its revenues with the Koonfurians or any other country. As long as there is huge capital in SL international investors can be attracted and even closely cooperating with neighboring states to gain leverage from European countries and negotiate on stronger terms to get the right prices for horn of Africa export products and resources. Also aid from the western countries will be much higher if its separately received. Also Somaliland will participate as co equals, in regionally integrated organizations and international bodies. Somaliland will captalize on a solid record of economic infrastructural progress and development. All in all Somaliland is better off alone it can faster develop alone it can preserve its own identity and history alone and it can keep its fine intercultural values to its own people and better their own societies and ofcourse the quality of life of their own people. It can keep its resources for their own people it can expand its Business entrepreneurial projects in the horn, while they only benefit from it. Just think of SL how it advanced the past 2 decades alone with no recognition and no trilateral aid, Imagine how developed it could have been if they never united with Somalia.

^^ Is that jigjiga yar or 150 or down town.

:D:D , khatumo is coming home its just taking a different route.

Good on him i like Farax Macalin.