Apophis;931865 wrote: Been badna. Xishow sxb. Have u ever heard Somaliland politicians even mentioning the Jubba conflict i dont think so i haven't. There are sure no Somalilanders from that region marka nin weyn been baad sheegeysa lugu ma yidha eh waxa la yidha kugu ma raacsani

oba hiloowlow;931862 wrote: xaaji their defense mechanism is, screaming ''secessionist'' sheekada bey ka leexinayaan Oba you could be right addressing the issue was always a difficult thing for them but some see hassan sheikh Somali plans for the country as unprepossessing, because its not in line with their Clanish aspirations.

Why do people talk about secessionists and what not, the topic is about Xassan sheikh and his plans for Somalia i think thats much more important , the secessionists have no role in this and no motives but they view things from a healthy perspective.

Sheikh dalxiis was to soft , it seems that Hassan culusow knows what he is doing he has a plan on how to reach his objectives No more bickering between The president and Prime minister No more bickering between The President and the speaker of parliament Liberated many parts of south central Somalia Arms embargo partly lifted Governmental recognition achieved In the process of re establishing the Somali defense forces. Visited almost every region of Somalia from Puntland to Kismayo

Waranle_Warrior;931830 wrote: ^I know that's a good move but I think Ahmed Blacky should send at least two Battalions to Merca to tell HAG militia: Niggerz stop abusing your fellow Somalis. Not join or support any group but at least mediate them. Waa inuu dhahaa Ciidan kala dhaxgala oo dhaxdhaxaadiya ayaan Marka udiraynaa. But its not a joke the conflict in Merca has been going on for a while and its bad, an embarrassment for this SFG. Raskambooni hada ma amisom baaad ka dhigtay:D

Mooge;931822 wrote: ninyoow, shaqo weyn ba tala nairobi. hada ogan lahayd howshan hayno, haka so tegin nairobi bad oranlahayd. lol. Jubbaland ma maqaxiyada nairobi ba laga haga, waxay kooxda Abwaan iyo Culusow ku doodayan marka waxba ka jira eh:D

Ciidamo ka tirsan dowladda oo mudooyinkii u danbeeyay ku sugnaa Duleedka Kismaayo oo maanta magaalada soo gaaray Jimco, 29 Maarso, 2013(HOL) :- Ciidamo aad u tiro badan oo katirsan dowladda Soomaaliya islamarkaasina mudooyinkii u danbeeyay ku sugnaa duleedka magaalada ayaa maanta gudaha usoo galay magaalada Kismaayo, iyadoona ciidamadani la dajiyay saldhigyo ku yaal gudaha magaalada. Ciidamadan oo tiradooda lagu qiyaasay ilaa 500 oo askari ayaa mudooyinkii u danbeeyay ku sugnaa duleedka magaalada Kismaayo, gaar ahaan nawaaxiga garoonka caalamiga ah ee Kismaayo, waxaana ciidamadani ay maanta gudaha usoo galeen magaalada. Mid kamid ah saraakiisha hogaamineysa ciidamada oo HOL ugu waramay qadka teleefonka ayaa sheegay in ciidamadani ay tiradooda gaareeyso ilaa 500 oo askari oo katirsan ciidamada xoogga dalka Soomaaliya, wuxuuna xusay in saraakiisha guutada labaad ee ciidamada xoogga dalka ay usoo badaleen in ay ka howlgalaan gobolka J/hoose. Masuulkani ayaa sidoo kale sheegay in ciidamadani aysan ahayn ciidamo qabiil balse ay ka koobanyihiin qabaa’illo kala duwan, wuxuuna intaa ku daray in ujeedka loo soo badalay ay tahay in ay xoojiyaan ciidamada dowladda ee howlgallada ka wada gobollada Jubooyinka. Ciidamada ayaa imika saldhig ka sameystay warshaddii hore ee hilibka oo ka tirsan xaafadda shaqaalaha ee magaalada Kismaayo, waxaana ilaa imika jirin wax hadal ah oo ku aadan ciidamada soo gaaray magaalada oo kasoo baxay masuuliyiinta maamulka KMG ee Kismaayo. Ciidamadan ayaa mudooyinkii u danbeeyay waxa ay ku sugnaayeen duleedka magaalada Kismaay, waxaana soo badalaadooda ka dhashay khilaaf xooggan, iyadoona masuuliyiin katirsan maamulka Kismaayo ay kasoo horjeesteen in ciidamadani ay gudaha usoo galaan magaalada. Xaaladda magaalada ayaa imika dagan wallow ay jirto cabsi ay dadka shacabka ah ka muujinayaan ciidamada cusub ee maanta soo gaaray magaalada Kismaayo ee xarunta gobolka J/hoose.

Carafaat;931793 wrote: Baashi, The Federal Goverment has many diffrent options here. If I were to advise Hassan Sheick on his next move, then I would definetly suggest to divide and rule by appointing Provincial administrations for each Gobol (Bak, Bakool, Gedo, Middle Juba, Lower Jubba, Lower Shabbele, etc) loading them with cash and some military muscles. This way you can appoint many more 'locals' to diffrent positions and knowing how clannish our folks are, it will definetly work to create administration that are close to the people and have grassroot support. SPOT on carafaat thats the way forward i think hassan culusow sees that is about to do that.

^^ Carafaat dont worry this government will be a success Hassan culusow and co will find a way to solve this. They have what it takes the only problem is now the Jubbaland issue that needs to be solved. When that is done the goverment can fully govern the country.

Naxar waranle is right the supreme judge is not what we think he, this is not the civilized world the United states and Europe.

xiinfaniin;931763 wrote: This is what I think: The President initially (somehow) thought he could engineer South Central regions to his liking using his interior minister. I think with Kismayo being the way it is, he will have no choice but rethink his strategy toward federalism. He cannot single-handedly define what federalism means for Somalis. It is notable that he dislikes it but cannot say so for obvious reasons. He will be best advised to take following steps to defuse the situation: 1- Help the consultative process in Kismayo, not hinder it, but personally going there and giving speech about how bad the federalism is for Somalia but affirm his obligation to uphold the constitution which mandates federalism as the supreme political structure of the land. Endorse the gathering and pledge support and cooperation for the resultant administration 2- Help Bay and Bakool community to organize similar conference in Baydhabo to establish state of their own. Do the same (visit, pledge support etc) 3- Repeat 1 & 2 for the remainder of the South Central region in a effective and productive manner...facilitating and all. 4- Address the question of Mogadishu and put concrete policies in place to remake the image of the capital. Address the plight of IDPs, the properties (personally owned or public) 5- Engage with the parliametn to expedite fleshing out clauses relating revenue sharing , resource allocation, integration of national army and development money distribution 6- Once he gets all of this in place, talk to Somaliland (involving Khatumo & Puntland as stake holders in the outcome) as the leader of Somalia and hammer out a deal that does not damage Somalia's territorial integrity and does not cause political and security implosion to that stable region. This is free advise from SomaliaOnline to our beloved President Hassan Sheekh Thank god you are not President Hassans adviser He has better advisers http://www.allsanaag.com/index.php/43-war-soomaali-ah/2015-war-murtiyeedka-ururka-irir-samaale

Although the professor has a point when he talked about the duopoly about Somalia. But there are other factors that play a role to, but if Somalia wants to have peace and Somalis want to rebuild their country they need to reintegrate, as people. Waranle you as puntlander is talking for Jubbaland because of Clan it kills the very own foundation of what federalism should be like. You are not involved on how gal hiiraan state should be established or other regions. We have brother Xiin a Puntlander who is also very much involved in the Jubbaland if the provincial regions of Somalia are separately administrated with a governor with a decentralized form of a state. You will not have problems like we are having now. Also another point that needs to be addressed if federalism was given a good chance to succeed it should not be based on clan. But Mudug and Galguduud hiiraan should join Puntland. Bay bakool gedo lower juba middle juba middle shabelle and lower shabelle should become one state. Than you have 2 very diverse strong federal states.

^^ The problem is if you encourage clan federalism some communities will always be dissatisfied, people think clan federalism will heal the wounds but it will just create more animosities between the clans. The president is not the problem its the people of Somalia so called stake holders qurba joogs who do not want a better future. They want to institutionalize clan states where one clan dominates the other, it can never work in Somalia.

I think hassan wants to Kill clan federalism and unite bay bakool gedo and the 2 jubbas and lower shabelle and middle shabelle. Its still federalism just a different flavor.

Article 49 (b) The parameters and conditions it shall use for the establishment of the Federal Member States; © The number of the commissioners, requirements of membership, nomination methods, office tenure, and their remuneration. (4) The number and the boundaries of the districts in a Federal Member State shall be determined by a law enacted by the parliament of the Federal Member State, which must be approved by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.

If you give me a quote where i called for violence i will give you the benefit of the doubt:D In the mean time the goverment stands strong in this.

Never ever called for violence i am a peace maker Xiinow, i am for peace and harmony in the region. The goverment stands strong in this they believe they are the true representatives of the people and are responsible for the people safety security and well being. Ofcourse they will try to conciliate the various communities and try to bring the stakeholders and the territory under the control of the federal goverment. And with the deployment of new troops from sierra leone the have what it takes to pursue their objectives.

According to the constitution the legal set up and formation of the state should be approved by the parliament, the locals should organize their communities and the goverment should facilitate and coordinate the federal structure of the state remember the federal goverment is the legitimate goverment of the country. So all three are essential when it comes to building a grassroot administration. Another problem is Alshabaab, the region is not fully liberated so building a viable state at the moment will be very difficult. Another problem is who are the stakeholders and the locals who should verify who is a local elder and who is not lots of things need to be done before a state can be established.

The Jubbaland process of forming a clan dominated state shows how ugly clan federalism can be lets see how it goes, i believe the government can overcome this one.

Samafal imam ahmed guray raids he had many oromo foot soldiers mostly from the arsi, and some somali clans married from the gallas and are maternally gallas. The same as the Somali clan u mentioned because of their interaction with the gallas they are closely associated. Garaad wiilwaal was the galla defeater and he cleaned them from the territory.

War Deg deg ah— Ciidamadii Gedo ka yimaadey ee duleedka Kismaayo fadhiyey oo qabsadey Warshada hilubka iyo Ciidan ku wareegsan Ciidamadii ka yimid Gedo ee fadhiyey duleedka Kismaayo ayaa maanta si lama filaan ah ku qabsadey Warshada Hilibka waxayna isku dayayaan iney gudaha usoo galaan Magaalada, Ciidanka Magaalada horey u joogay ayaa hada ku wareegsan Ciidankaan qabsadey Warshada. Raysal wasaare Saacid ayaa markey burbureen Wada hadalkii Dowlada iyo Maamulka kumeel gaarka u socdey waxaa laga hayaa inuu yiri “Hadaad diideen inaad yeeshaan saan ku taliney xoog baad ku maqlaysaan”". Faahfaahinta warkaan goor dhow naga filo.

Kismayo talks collapse says Somali government Somali Interior minister Abdkarim Hussien Guled Hiiraan Online Friday, March 29, 2013 After five days of negotiations, Somalia’s federal government announced collapse of the long awaited talks led by the Somali prime minister Abdi Farah Shirdon and Kismayo’s interim governor Ahmed Madobe. Somali Interior minister Abdkarim Hussien Guled who has accompanied the prime minister in Kismayo talks made the announcement at a press conference in the city. “Negotiations between Somali federal government and Kismayo interim administration hit a deadlock” said Mr. Abdikarim. He pointed out that his government made many sacrifices for it’s constitutional rights in order to break the deadlock and accused the interim administration for not doing enough to reach a political settlement. “Our discussions were focusing on the creation of local administration, management of the port and airport, security, reconciliation and the liberation of the remaining areas, but all of them collapsed after the local leaders made unconstitutional demands” said the minister. There are reports indicating that some of the federal government delegation have left Kismayo following the disagreements. Interim administration of Kismayo which is led by Shiekh Ahmed Madobe is yet to comment on the matter. The failure of the talks came after Somali Prime Minister Abdi Farah Shirdon arrived in Kismayo on Tuesday with high level delegation of ministers and MPs and started direct negotiations with local leaders.

Maaddeey berigi shabaab haysatey meesha cid is qab qabsanaysey mey jirin

The angry faisal rooble if faisal rooble is pissed hassan sheikh is doing a fantastic job:D