Thats the problem with clan federalism for instance a person from cabuudwaaq will claim jubbaland a person from NFD will claim Jubbaland, there is no end with clan federalism. The same with the HAGs from dhuusamareeb want representation in Xamar city council, How does one verify if one is a Jubbalander or not

i am not sure if this appropriate the PM should avoid the past

Carafaat saado sung for SSC Puntland ONLF and now Jubbaland do you see where its going:D

Alpha Blondy;932380 wrote: what about Berbera? it makes no sense to invest in Mogadishu when Berbera has closer proximity to Dubai. these HAG-centric thugs want everything for themselves, ma istidhi? Because they are Ayrabs

^^ Those regions are not part of Somalia.

Madaxwayne Siilaanyo ayaa mahad naq balaadhan u soo jeediyay dhamaanba xubnaha golaha dhexe ee xisbiga KULMIYE sida qiimaha leh ee ay u soo qaban qaabiyeen xafladaasi shirka aan caadiga ahayn. Waxaanu sheegay in xisbiga KULMIYE uu yahay xisbi fac aad u wayn iyo taariikh ku leh dalka isla markaana aan awoodiisu aad u balaadhan tahay. Mudane Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud waxa uu mar kale ku celiyay inaanay Somaliland ka qeyb geli doonin shirka London, waxaanu yidhi “Shirka London sidii aan hore u sheegnay kama qayb gelayno, oo waxaanu u aragnaa in aanu na khusaynin, danina aanay ugu jirin qaranka Somaliland”. Madaxweynuhu waxa uu intaasi ku daray “Wada hadalada Somaliland iyo soomaaliya waxa ahaayeen barnaamij socda oo ka soo bilaabmay shirkii London 12-kii bishii February ee sanadkii 2012-kii, kaasi oo ay dunidu fagaare ku go’aamisay in Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya ka wada hadlaan mustaqbalkooda siyaasadeed, intaasi ka dib waxa dhacay labadii kulan ee London iyo Dubia, waxaanan ku kala saxeexanay qodobo dhaxal gal ah hor dhacna u ahaa wada hadaladaa.” “Mana jiraan wax iska kaaya bedelay diyaarna waanu u nahay in loo wada hadlo si siman, mana jirto cid nagu khasbaysaa wax aanay dani ugu jirin ummadayada,”ayuu yidhi Madaxweyne Axmed Siilaanyo.

Shirka London Kama Qayb-galayno, Mana Jirto Wada Tashi Aanu Kala Yeelanayno Ragga Suuqa jooga” Madaxwayne Siilaanyo (Sawirro) Hargeysa (Ramaas) Mar 31,2013 – Madaxwaynaha Somaliland Md Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) ayaa ku celiyay inaan Somaliland aanay ka qayb-galaynin shirka Somaliya loogu qabanayo London, balse ay diyaar u tahay wada-hadalo loo siman yahay oo dhex mara dawladda Somaliya. Madaxwayne Siilaanyo oo maanta ka qayb-galay shirkii golaha dhexe ee Kulmiye, ayaa isaga oo arimahaa ka hadlaya yidhi “Shirka London ee Ingiriisku Somaliya u qabanayo, waxaan jecelahay inaan ka bixiyo tilmaan cad iyo mowqifka xukuumadda ee ku waajahan wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya oo ah arin ka duwan shirka London, waa laba arimood oo aan is khusayn, mid walbana waxaanu ka taaganahay mowqif cad oo aan madmadow ku jirin, shirka London kama qayb-galayno oo waxaanu u araganaa in aanu na khusaynin oo aanay dani ugu jirin qaranka Somaliland” Madaxwayne Siilaanyo waxa kale oo uu soo qaaday “Wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya, waa barnaamij socda oo ka soo bilaabmay shirkii London 12 bishii February 2012-kii, kaasi oo dunidu fagaare ka go’aamisay in Somaliland iyo Somaliya ay ka wada-hadlaan mustqabalkooda, intaa ka dibna waxa dhacay labadii Kulan ee (Chatum House iyo Dubai Agreemant), waxaanuna ku kala saxeexanay heshiisyo dhaxalgal ah, mana jiraan wax iska kayo badalay, diyaarna waanu u nahay in loo wada hadlo si siman, mana jirto cid nagu khasbaysa wax aan dani ugu jirin umaddayada xilku naga saaran yahay, waxaanuna wada tashi ka samaysay xisbiyada oo umadda matalaya, mana jirto cid makhaayadaha wax nooga yeedhinaysa iyo wada tashi aanu kala yeelanayno ragga suuqa jooga” ayuu yidhi waxaanu intaa ku daray “Qarankani waxa uu leeyahay cid matasha oo waa golayaasha Qaranka, waxaanu wada tashi kala samaynaa xisbiyada qaranka, markaa meel kasta iyo wakhti kasta, wada-hadal loo siman yahay oo dhex mara Somaliland iyo Somaliya diyaarbaa loo yahay” Madaxwaynuhu waxa uu shacabka u diray dardaaran “Somaliland oo isku duuban oo meel u wada jeeda ayaynu wax ku noqonaynaa, waxaynu duruuf kasta kaga gudbi karnaa isku duubni iyo midnimo, waxaynu wada-hadalada kaga guulaysan karnaa inaga oo meel uga soo wada jeedsana, xisbiyadu waxay ku jiri karaan isku duubni iyo midnimo, qaranimada yeynaan ku qaybsamin”ayuu yidhi.

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Apophis;932420 wrote: Funny though he had to go from Kismayo to Mog ( to kiss the master's feet) then to Gedo. Would have made more sense if he went there from Kismayo but a lapdog never takes initiative. Apophis;929935 wrote: I'd rather clean a Somali general's boots than lick a xabash Colonel's one. You're still a million times worse than me bro. i wonder Apophis marku saxanyahay marku qaldanyahay

No but back than they were equal as the rest, general samatar remember was the second in command of the nation. Now they will have less mps in every state the 4.5 undermines them to but i heard .5 bay ka dhigtay dawladan xassan. They will rule them selves the minorities in jamaame will be dominated by Sahal elites, and the may may community will come under the mercy of HAG Mullahs. The problem is mudug will mudug be divided the HAGs cannot form a state with their brothers in galguduud first they need to unite and later its still not enough. It will be very hard to implement

It will be a grave crime against the minority clans and the may may community if the HAG state takes the lower shabelle.The sahal community will legalize the 2 jubbas and gedo, and relocate sahal communities from NFD Somali galbeed to secure that state even from Puntland. The smaller clans in the dominated states by other tribes will have a hard time they will never have enough mps with in the local state.

Why dont people go a step further with clan federalism and name the state after the clan it self. Like in Ethiopia than we will exactly know where its heading.

Naxar nugaleed, Hiiraan doesn't want to join with galguduud nor share a state with reer southern galkacyo,

Jacpher;932245 wrote: x.xaaji: Start pointing fingers when you run out of valid arguments. Are you saying clan duopoly is justified in Somalia:D

Also Somaliland light years ahead of Somalia on all fields Somaliland is very organized in that respect, also add to that Somalia is not a regional power in the region and it certainly has years to go to before they reach the normal status of a country. Somaliland cannot be isolated because it cannot be sanctioned not by the international community nor by Somalia. The international community called for dialogue a separate process for Somalia and Somaliland to clarify their future relations.STOIC Somalilanders do not care about the masses of Somalia and what they think thats not important, its the political elites of Somalia, Somaliland is dealing with them. The Masses of Somalia have no say about their own future. If the masses in Somalia had a say about their future alshabab warlords TFG xabashi would not invade their country. Yes you are right the west is indifferent and do not want to create unattractive problems so they stay away. But Somalia is not NATO Turkey and SL is not kurdistan, the world gives the folks in Xamar the legitimacy because that was once the country they knew which existed in the past. STOIC its heading the right direction we will witness something great. 10 years an armed struggle against Somalia. And 20 years in search for their rightful place on the international stage. So do you know how long the south Sudanese were fighting more than 50 years. Do you know how long the Eritreans were fighting close to 33 years. Both Sudan and Ethiopia nations that broke away came to existence its just matter of time till the former Somali republic follows suit. Somaliland just need to be prepared for everything against anything and be on their guard all the time.

So that means galguduud and Mudug can not be united since north mudug is pirate region it will never materialize

^^ Taasa la leeyahay ha is raacdo dad isku magaalo dagan hadana midoobi karayn:D i wanna really see how this qabiil federalism ends:D

The pirates are defending Mogadishu the city they helped demolish with Xabashi mercenaries the irony.

He never said that but he insinuated that but galmudug doesn't have 2 regions so does have a point

^^ Xassan culusow bu runta uso sheegeya, he is one of the last remaining USC members in Somali politics.

STOIC you are miscalculating the world has no interest to keep the Somali republic together, at all cost but the world was busy keeping Somalia a safe place from terrorists and piracy and they wanted a Somalia that is at peace with its self. The world sees Somaliland as a key partner in the fight against terrorism and piracy. But basically it ends there because thats the best SL can do to help them in that department. Furthermore if you look at Africa in 2007 the vast majority of african states were for Somaliland or neutral and only the key Arab states like Sudan and Egypt were opposed and thats why president rayaale could not address the AU summit in Ghana. The oil project in SL is a serious business the genel group invested more than 100 million dollars you don't throw away 100 million dollars. But the SL elites just need to play the talks in their favor i am sure the Koonfurian politicians want to reach some sort of settlement as long as SL secures an official exit way out its a done deal. The Koonfurians do not hold the cards they hold their cards, the Somalilanders also have pretty good cards, its just how u play it. Remember Somalia Somalilanders know them the best Somalilanders know their political weaknesses and how they think. As long as we find a neutral platform for the talks i think it will be in the favor of Somaliland and even of Somalia the elites of Mogadishu particularly. In the mean time keep strengthening the state institutions military and domestic affairs and the financial sectors of Somaliland and if Somalilanders do that it will be the shining star of Africa.

^^ Well there wouldn't be a Somalia either if it wasn't for the International community, just words on a screen, it means little on the ground. Somalia is not dealing with Somaliland at all. They are busy sorting out their problems carving clan states in Somalia and what not. By the way not all Somalis view it like that its just the Koonfurians, the Somalis Kenyans do not view it like that nor the Somalis from Ethiopia. Its just the Koonfurians who cant let go and are emotionally attached to Somaliland. But that will come with time i am sure of that.

STOIC to achieve Somaliland recognition can be done 2 ways, one if the international community supports and Somaliland should fall in favorable way in the geopolitical quarrels of the western countries similar like what happened in Kosovo. Or if the western countries find interests in the resources of Somaliland now the latter can happen in 2014 if oil is found. There is another way if Somaliland and Somalia agree in the upcoming talks which is unlikely unless Somaliland is very lucky but i doubt that will happen but Somaliland politicians can make it happen if they play the talks very well and negotiate from a strong position and negotiate some sort of exit out. Either way defacto independence was very hard earned and that no one can take from Somaliland because that was achieved with the blood of the SL sons, and not orchestrated from western capitals.I think the SL government should continue with the talks and still maintain good relations with western countries do it both, and continue to build Somaliland economically militarily and uphold democratic values. Africa is changing fast my friend

Homunculus;932209 wrote: Unfortunately Oba you're the one who is feeding tribal hatred in this forum, the article is full falsehoods mixed with some truths and the writer of the article showed her ignorance by claiming that NFD and "Zone 5" belonged originally to Kenya and Ethiopia (but they do now unfortunately). I'm not a southerner (thank god) and don't understand your hatred towards the aforementioned clan, but if you keep going on with this you'll reduce the chances of ever being any peace in the South.( Live and let live and I really hope that the oppressed people in the south get their justice and become empowered in the future, although it doesn't seem to be happening with this "federal" government) Kenyan Somalis and the Somali galbeed region is not the same, the Somali galbeed region is oppressed and it was stolen by Abyssinians. But the Kenyans and the Somalis there, were not invaded by Kikuyus luhyas and rendile and luos. But they just share the same nationality and history with the rest of the Kenyans. Also the Somalis in Kenya are happy being part of Kenya a developing country in Africa while they are not being oppressed.

STOIC cid hadaan SL ku aminayo wa oday Siilaanyo eventhough there might be some farsamo xumo. but the oday wants the best thing for Somalilanders. Also Somalilanders should closely watch happens next door and what the Koonfurians are cooking, and their African mercenaries.