Oodweyne;942700 wrote: ^^^So long as as Hassan Sheikh is power in the FG, I highly doubt that any one from pirate-land will become Prime-Minister of the FG. And the reason is largely to do with fundamental difference of what each party wants for Somalia. For Hassan Sheikh to keep the old Italian Somalia in one centralised version (even if you give a bit of a Federal gloss to it) is non-negotiable as an ideology. While any one from that side of Somalia call Puntland, the idea of federalism (both in practice of day-to-day reality, and in over-arching sense) is also non-negotiable from their point of view. Hence any PM who comes from that side will immediately clash with the president and the government will become, dysfunctional, in no time after that. Hence why I don't see Haasan Sheikh appointing his PM anyone with the sort of ideology Pundlanders can be naturally expected to carry forward in the halls of Somali politics. You are right Hassan sheikh Maxamuud wants to establish an entity from galkacyo to the Kenyan border, thats why he didn't organize his community to form federal states. But the Pirates will try to go for the PM and try to create a friction between the Pm and President. The same way they did with sh sharif and faarmaajo. Even though hassan sheikh would go for a decentralized state structure but still highly strong when it comes how the regions are administrated from the capital.The only problem for the pirates now is that the SFG has more legitimacy than the former federal transitional governments. So they will have a more difficult task than before but they still would go for it.

malistar2012;942686 wrote: Xaaji Xunjuf slow down with two state talk , Somali President will never support that . Faisal warab comments are not needed , we know secessionist and warabe motive. Homunculus Ali Khalif Needs to do better job lobbying for Khatuum state , get in line with xamar community you will find out that community supports Somalinimo , somalia sovereignty and unity. Instead of being tool Its not about what Hassan culusow supports or not its that SL talked to Somalia and that the world was the witness but the talks failed if they don't agree. Here is where you are wrong, you have your cards which is you want to reinstate the failed union.But Somaliland doesn't want anything to do with Somalia when it comes to a Union. When they meet again in turkey in a few months and the talks fail the same international community will step up the game and join the negotiation table as mediators and than the process can take longer. But if they agree the 2 states and forge new relations Sultan faisal is just stating that he wants to see a strong Somalia next door to the Somaliland republic he has no motives in Somalia nor stake in Somalia.

Somalia what do you think should their punishment be , i think they should carry bricks and help construct some parts of Bosaaso.

Homunculus;942687 wrote: I really don't hold Somali politicians to high regard, and I still think that there will be a domino effect in Somalia since tribalism is still king there (and abroad too). Why stop at a two countries, don't you think that other entities would prefer to rule themselves instead of being ruled from Mogadishu. All of this is a big if, but the behaviour of the government is not reassuring. if they wanted that they would have declared long time ago independence , the other states in Somalia just want some self rule, not secession i doubt others are deeply interested in that. The Puntlanders for instance are highly ambitious and i am sure they are aiming to take the seat or the PM in 3 years time.

Oodweyne;942645 wrote: ^^^I really thought he couldn't be that clueless with his open support for Jubbaland, knowing right there where he is in Xamar how such support would be "interpreted" by both PM Saacid and by Hassan Shiekh. And since he is effectively a "supplicant" in Xamar for others support and consideration, one couldn't understand what made him think that he can bite the hands that may support him if hew plays his card astutely.. As I said, it really shows you no amount of education can make one a politically wise, especially if you are leader of your people.. But still it's good for us in Somaliland that the likes of Ali Khalif are the only folks we have to worry about.. :D Oodweyne some times i have the feeling Dr Galaydh is not serious in his political objectives when it comes to the Khatumo project. Because one would not make such a blunder by blindly supporting the Jubbaland conference. When you know that your tiny fiefdom is in a critical predicament. When we know Somaliand is gaining more momentum by the day, and he wants to have a voice when the 2 sides are talking perhaps that the president of Somalia takes in consideration and takes his insertions serious when talking to Somaliland. But its seems he bet on the wrong horse,i didn't expect this from a man of his caliber.. Hada wa halki Somalida ignore ba la saaray Galaydh.

^^ How would Somalia cease to exist if the 2 sides agree to live side by side as to sovereign nations. i think little will change on the ground for Somalia , since Somaliland was already gone the past 21 years maybe not officially. But people in Somalia daily life will normally just continue with out being effected.

Cali khalif is in a difficult situation if i was his adviser i would have told him that he should have stayed in line with the HAG community in a political sense but he sided with the azanians over the jubbaland project. Now the HAG will have no sympathy for his cause. He should have opposed the jubbland conference and try to sell his khatumu cause in xamar. By the way sultan faisal spoke well

Watch jawaari here , he spoke like a real boss.

^^ Good point but , people should not read so much into this because they are a very small minority in the Parliament. And Parliament speaker jawaari spoke well on this issue.

DNO International oo heshiis wax-soo-saarka shidaalka ah la gashay Xukuumadda Somaliland April 24th, 2013 Oslo, (Somaliland.Org)- DNO International oo ah shirkad sahaminta shidaalka ka shaqaysa oo laga leeyahay dalka Norway ah ayaa shaaca ka qaaday inay la saxeexatay heshiis wadaag wax-soo-saarka Block SL18 Somaliland. Xukuumada Somaliland oo heshiis la gashay shirkad shidaalka soo saarta oo laga leeyahay wadanka Norway heeshiiskan oo ka dhacay magaalada Washington ee wadanka maraykanka, dhinaca xukuuumada waxa u sexeexay Wasiirka Macdanta, Tamarta iyo biyaha Xuseen Cali Ducaale halka dhinaca shirkadan uu u sexeexay madaxa fulinta ee shirkadaasi D.N.O Mr. bijan mossavar-rahmani sidoo kale “Sahaminta masaafo gaadhayasa 12,000 square kilometer, waxay wax ku kordhin doontaa saamiyada baadhitaano ee DNO, taasoo ah goob mustaqbal leh, welina la qodin,” ayuu yidhi Rahmani, isagoo raaciyey, in Somaliland ku taal goobaha shirkadu ka hawlgasho, iyo deegaan dhinaca sahaminta rajo leh, “Waxaan shaqo fiican ka qabanaynay Gacanka Cadan ee Yemen ilaa 1990-kii.” Waa shirkadii sadexaad ee shiidaal baadhis ah oo heshiis la gasha Somaliland sadexdii sanadood ee ugu danbeeyay taasina waxay cadaynaysaa ayuu wasiirku sida ay shirkadaha caalemiga ahi u danaynayaan shidaalka ku kaydsan somaliland. Madaxa fulinta ee shirkada DNO bijan mossavar-rahmani oo isna halkaasi ka hadlay ayaa sheegay in heshiiskani uu yahy mid taariikhi ah oo midho dhal noqon doona , mr. rahmani waxa uu sheegay in baadhitaan ka bilaabi doonaan dhulqiyaastiisu tahay 12,000 skm, waxa kale uu sheegay in ay Somaliland ku taalo meel u dhaw meelaha ay shirkadani hada howlaha shidaal qodis ah ka wado sida wadanka yeman iyo Iraq Shirkadu waxay hore u deristay macluumaadka Block SL18, ka hor intaanay ka bilaabin hawlo seismic ah sannadka 2014. DNO International, ayaa ah shirkad sahamin shidaal oo ka diiwaangashan dalka Norway, isla markaana ka hawlgasha barriga Dhexe iyo waqooyiga Afrika, shirkadan ayaa haysata 18 liisan oo dhinacyao kala duwan sida baadhitaano, soo saaris dhinaca badda iyo berriga ah ee gobolka Kurdistan, ee Ciraaq, dalka Yemen, Cumaan, UAE iyo Somaliland. Somaliland.Org/Hargeysa

^^ If he resigns as MP of Somalia i don't see why he cannot visit Somaliland.

The Ethiopians are broke and do not want to spend money on Somalia, since their troops do not come under Amisom the EU will not pay them a penny. But for Somalis its a good thing Xabashis gone no one really needs them good riddance.

Faisal rooble sounds like a broken record

Saalax;942454 wrote: Somalia parliament speaker becomes a obstacle to their attempts . Jeweeri oo isbaaro u dhigtay Mooshinkii Heshiiskii Turkiga Gudoomiyaha Baarlamanka Soomaaliya, ayaa isbaaro fool xun u dhigtay in baarlamaanka la hor keeno mooshin ah heshiiskii beelaha SNM iyo USC ay dhowaan ku heshiiyeen dalka Turkiga oo ahaa Khiyaano Qaran. Gudoomiyaha Baarlamaanka ayaa sheegay in labad Beelood ee SNM iyo USC heshiiskoodii uu qodobka todobaad dhigayey sidan: Halkan Riix Warkan Oo Faahfaahsan http://horufadhi.com/2013/04/24/jeweeri-oo-isbaaro-u-dhigtay-mooshinkii-heshiiskii-turkiga/ Xita oday jawaari ma loo so dhigtay kulaha isbaaro dadkanu ma xishooodaan

Daqane;942453 wrote: Maybe elect another 4 presidents to bring a grand total of 8 and another party in edmonton canada will be in order. :D magaci madaxweyne inflation ba ku dhacay looool

Qabil is identity people identify with their tribe so i dont see how people can get rid of it

Professor ibi is in full support of the talks between the 2 countries , and he called galaydh a trouble maker.

“Shirkii Turkigu Ididiilo Wanaagsan Ayuu Labada Dawladood U Sameeyey, Wuxuu Runtii Tusaayey Walaaltinimada Labada Shacab, Markaa Waxaanu U Arkaynaa Inuu Wado Cali Khaliif Wax Aan Loo Joogin” Cabdiraxmaan Aadan Ibraahim “Ibi” Muqdisho, April 24, 2013 (W.Wararka) –Khilaaf iyo Xiisad faraha la iskula tagay ayaa shalay ka dhalatey ka dib markii Baarlamaanka Somaliya la horgeeyey Mooshin ka dhan ah Heshiiskii toddobada qoddob ahaa ee dhawaa Madaxwaynayaasha Somaliland iyo Somalia ku kala saxeexdeen Magaaladda Ankara ee Xarunta Dalka Turkiga. Sidoo kale Kalfadhiga ay shalay u balansanaayeen Xildhibaanadda Baarlamaanka Somalia ayaa baaqday ka dib markii halkaas la keenay Mooshin ka dhan ah heshiiskii Ankara, kaas oo ay wateen Xildhibaano uu hogaaminayey Cali Khaliif Galaydh iyo xildhibaano kale oo ka soo hor jeedsaday, taasina ay dhalisay in la isku khilaafo oo xiisadii ay gaadho in kulankaasi baaqdo. Fadhiga Golaha Baarlamaanka ee shalay loo balansanaa in la hor dhigo mudanayaasha si ay uga doodaan Mooshinkaas ayaa dib loo dhigay, waxaanu Guddoomiyaha Baarlamaanka Somalia Maxamed Cismaan Jawaari oo la hadlay saxaafaddu sheegay in dib loogu dhigay kulan ay u balansan yihiin Xildhibaanadii ka qayb galay shirkii Ankara iyo kuwa Mooshinka wata. Sida uu noo xaqiijiyey Xildhibaan Cabdiraxmaan Aadan Ibraahim “Ibi”oo khadka telefoonka ugu waramay Waramay Wargeyska Haatuf isagoo ku sugan magaalada Muqdisho. Ugu horayna isaga oo aintaasi ka hadlaya waxa uu yidhi “Maanta Baarlamaanka dib ayay uga dhacday arintaasi, gudoomiyuhuna waxa uu soo jeediyey in arintaa ay ka wada hadlaan mooshinkii muranka watay kooxdii wadatay iyo koox diidan oo leh mooshinkani kumaba haboona in Baarlamaanka la keeno, wakhtigeediina maaha in Baarlamaanka la keenana maaha, wax dan umada Soomaaliyeed ugu jirtana maaha. Kooxdan mooshinka wadataana waa group yar oo Cali Khaliif wato weeyaan, markaa kooxdaasi ayuunbaanu ilaa hadda ognahay in Cali Khaliif uu ka hadlay Baarlamaanka dhexdiisa maalin dhexdaa ah, markaa gudoomiyaha Baarlamaankuna waxa uu yidhi in Ajandaha Baarlamaanka lagu soo dari karo iyo in aan lagu soo dari Karin ayaanu ka hadlaynaa, markaa inta aan la gaadhin iyaga ayaa yidhi aanu dib iskugu noqono oo aanu wada hadalno, markaa xafiiska gudoomiyaha ayay ku wada hadlayeen, saasaana looga saaray Ajandihii Baarlamaanka Maanta”. Xildhibaan Ibi ayaa mar aanu waydiinay in Cali Khaliif uu sharciyan xaq u leeyahay inuu golaha Baarlamaanka Somalia horkeeno mooshin ka hadlaya heshiiskii Somaliland iyo Somalia ay ku gaadheen Turkiga, ayaa kaga jawaabay “Haba yaraatee, waayo shirkani ididiilo wanaagsan, barnaamij fiican ayuu labada dawladood u sameeyey, isu soo dhawaansho wanaagsan iyo is afgarad wanaagsan ayaa laga gaadhay, wuxuu runtii tusaayey labada shacab inuu yahay wada hadal dhisi kara walaaltinimada labada shacab iyo kalgacayl balaadhan iyo kalsooni dheeraad ah, markaa waxaanu u arkaynay inuu wado Cali Khaliif Barnaamij wax aan loo joogin, laakiin dimuqraadiyada Baarlamaanka lama cabudhin karo oo xaq ayuu u leeyahay inuu fikradiisa keeno”. Waxa kale oo aanu xildhibaanka waydiinay in mooshinka Cali Khaliif ay ujeedadiisu tahay inuu ku xumaynayo dawlada Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud oo la hadashay Somaliland oo ay ku ladhan yihiin arimo qabaa’ileed oo uu reer ahaan u diidan yahay arintaasi. “Runtii horta qofka uurkiisa lama fiirin karo oo wixii qarsoon illaahay SWT ayuunbaa ogg, balse hadii uu isagu fikradiisii sheegtay anaguna aanu diidnay oo aanu nidhi haba yaraatee arintaa iyada ah wax macquul ku ah maaha in Baarlamaanka la keeno, Baarlamaankana waxay dani ugu jirtaa in aanu ku kala qaybsamin wax aan dani ugu jirin dadka iyo Baarlamaanka ummada Soomaaliyeed, hadii uu keenana kolay cod ayaa loo qaadayaa, balse anagu diyaarba uma nihin in laga doodo arintaa Cali Khaliif wato. Markaa gudoomiyaha Baarlamaanku wuxuu yidhi arintaa lagama hadli karo ilaa laga heshiiyo ama la isku khilaafo, maantadana xildhibaano ayaa ka hadlay oo yidhi maba la keeni karoba, taasina waxa ay ku tusaysaa in aan raali laga ahayn waxaana istaagay koox dhan oo yidhi lama keeni karo oo dhamay 160 tiro ka badan ay leeyihiin lama keeni karo, iyagoo waafaqsan sidii shirku u dhacay”.

:D, dadkan maxa hayaa talow

Che did you sign it

i have a good feeling Professor Axmed ismaciil samatar is coming home, one of the best professors of Somaliland.

Jacpher no they are bragging about how fantastic the Kikuyus are and how despicable the siere leone troops are. They are so happy to be the water boys of General Karangi.

Illyria;942084 wrote: Are these people for real? Where were you when your lot come dressed in shorts marching along the British vagabonds invading and killing innocent indigenous Somalis in their own homes? were those killed not Somalis? were the ones killing not foreign enemies? And using planes! or was that an omen from the heavens? Or where the British your cousins who painted their faces white? I forgot they do not teach that at schools, do they? What was the Dervish movement? Unpopular? Our you seriously saying the Colonial forces who were from all tribes in the entire horn belonged to a single tribe I guess these in jubbaland sitting behind the British chief are also Somalilanders. Tallow kuwani yey ahayeen

Mintid in other words walaalkeen Xiin wuxu ku leeyahay qod qodista iga daa , eeh maha wala i necebyahay meesha cid is neceb ma jirto eeh dadku siyasaday isku afgaranayn. Mintid inta badan wuxu ka hadla saaxada siyaasada , sido kale xaajigu saaso kale. Laakin Xiin ma ogala in siyasada si dhab ah looga hadlo oo aan waxba la isu qarin, Markay xaajadu xasaasi noqoto wuxu la so booda wala i necebyahay:D

Ethiopia says preparing to pull troops out of Somalia By Aaron Maasho | Reuters – 55 minutes ago Ethiopian Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn attends the African Peer Review Mechanism … Should Canada close its borders in the face of terrorism? What’s behind the killing and beheading of West Coast sea lions? One suspect in violent Toronto bank robbery arrested Image of normalcy surrounds Canada’s terror plot suspects Liberals think Tory policies are root cause of terrorism, say Tories More Canada news » By Aaron Maasho ADDIS ABABA (Reuters) - Ethiopia will withdraw its troops from Somalia soon, its prime minister said on Tuesday, voicing frustration with the Mogadishu government and African Union peacekeeping forces that are also battling Islamist militants there. After waging an ill-fated war in Somalia in 2006-2009, Ethiopia in 2011 once again rolled troops into Somalia to fight al Qaeda-allied al Shabaab, opening a third front alongside Kenyan troops and an African Union mission. At the time Ethiopia pledged to stay in the war-ravaged country until Somali government could ratify a new constitution and its ragtag military was able to fend off the Islamist threat on its own. However, last month Ethiopian troops unexpectedly withdrew from Hudur, the capital of Bakool province near the Ethiopian border, enabling al Shabaab to retake the dusty town. Hailemariam Desalegn, who replaced Ethiopia's long-serving Prime Minister Meles Zenawi in September, stopped short of announcing a full withdrawal but voiced concern with the pace of progress in Somalia, recovering from two decades of civil war. "It has taken them (African peacekeepers and Somalia) a year already and they repeatedly assure us each month but fail to deliver so we pulled out," said Hailemariam, referring to pledges by African Union's Amisom force to replace Ethiopian troops. "The main issue now is to accelerate our complete withdrawal towards our border. This is what we are fulfilling," he told Ethiopia's parliament. Hailemariam said Addis Ababa was paying for its military mission in Somalia from its own coffers and Western diplomats say financial issues are one of the main reasons behind Ethiopia's discontent, along with strained relations with Mogadishu and Amisom. African countries which sent troops into Somalia under the Amisom banner are compensated by the African Union but Ethiopian troops do not operate within that framework. Al Shabaab has been greatly weakened since late September when Kenyan troops forced it to withdraw from the port of Kismayu, its last major urban stronghold. But analysts say they doubt Ethiopia is set for a full withdrawal and Hailemariam suggested Ethiopia could continue its fight against al Shabaab, but in other parts of Somalia. "Somalia is one of Ethiopia's main security interest zones, so I don't think they would change policy drastically," said one Nairobi-based Western diplomat. "It's in Ethiopia's own interest that Somalia stays in tact and that gains achieved are not lost once again." (Additional reporting by Drazen Jorgic; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)