It should be tried and lets see how people react to it its worth trying at least we can say later if it worked or not. Our neighbors identity themselves with their regions and than their clan and sub clan. But since we our nomads we identify our selves with the clan and sub clan I listened to the professor and it seems like he is a very intelligent man he brings solutions. With in the Somali society its that the clan identity is very strong the moment a President is elected we already know his opponents. And ofcourse the President has to nominate a prime minister not based on his CV but primarily his tribe. For many Somali identity means little it means just a language and a close association but it doesn't mean kinship nor nationality.

Oodweyne dont take the scripts to serious

Here listen to xassan sheikh maxamuud you dont have to believe me just listen to him and where he is taking Somalia. Dadkan mala afsomaliga ku adag bal horta dhegeyso intadan jiiboon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uRbiYjHAVoY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

Haatu if people are opposed to something in Somaliland people fight it the clan in Buhoodle is than fundamentally different than the clan in Laascaaood. Because the clans in laascaanood sool are fine with Somaliland From 1982 to 1988 that's 6 years the SNM waged a Guerrilla war against General siyad bare regime with one of the largest armies in Africa, The Hargeisa clans were in full support between those years colonels generals police chiefs were being assassinated, it was never safe for the regime and eventually they waged an all out war against General siyad barres forces against all odds ,if you are opposed to something you fight it.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;941374 wrote: Yea, yea, sida kuwaan hoos ku xusan soo ma'aha: Jaamac Kaluun Buubaa Jen. Qaalib Cabdalle Boos Maareeye Awmaar Ilkaxanaf Xuseen Carab Fowsiyo ... Kuwaas soo aamin marka hore intaa mid calooshiis u shaqeysto ah keenin meeshaan. Kuwaasi maxay ahayeen, maxayse qabtaan maxayse siyasadoodu tahay.

Haatu;941371 wrote: Those clans only share one thing, subjugation by the British. Besides, a few mercenaries do not represent the wishes of the majority (and truth be told, the majority abhors sharing anything with your clan); hence why there's no hope. I doubt it the elites of laascaanood switched sides and felt very dissatisfied with Puntland because they believed Puntland was supporting one clan of the garaad clan against the other. So they joined Somaliland , Puntland was removed from laascaanood. its not a few mercenaries, how can a few mercenaries hold people close 300.000 hostage. Surely if they were opposed to it they would have fought it. The issue is not sharing political seats the clans who live there together are brothers and sisters and you cant tell the difference between them the camels of laascanood graze as far as burco and those in burco go as far as boocame and taleex. If they really shared nothing with the rest of Somalilanders they would have stayed and supported political H.artism but that failed. Before colonialism arrived in SL these clans used to raid each other as groups not as clans so the clans from caynabo and buhoodle were allies. Against the clans of Sanaag. One would say they would have formed a block with their kin in Puntland based on ancestry but why didnt that work out. Now they have khatumo which is based in the far eastern part of sool. What if a sub clan of Khatumo says i want my own state what than?

By the way you didn't tell us how you going to solve the south lets say you want to disintegrate Somalia how are you supposed to do that. Puntland up to galkacyo is oke but when you reach galkacyo its going to be difficult. Who gets what where will the border be between the new countries. And in the far south will there be several republics or just 3 or 2. The Somaliland case is a minor issue , when compared if you want to create new countries in the south.

What if their former rebel leaders says he is part of SL remember SL is not a clan but several clans who share the same history and culture and political culture whom are united in their quest for statehood.

^^ Somaliland the country which gained independence on the eve of 26 June 1960.

A khadar qoliyihi Koonfurianska waydinka arkaya dad ku og mahe eh , manay haboonayn inad iska so hoyataan. Halkan baad ka heleysan qeyb weyn cakega la qeybinayo.

Haatu;941335 wrote: Xaaji your clan wey gadoodsan yihiin and want nothing to do with the rest of the Somalis. The Xamar clan doesn't want to share a country and have a deep sense of entitlement. Tolka wants federalism as a safeguard and to get back its lawful wealth but Xaad's clan doesn't want any of that. The only solution is in la kala taga. You waqooyians can have your S/land minus SSC, tolka aayaheeda ha ka tashato and Xamar can do whatever they want on their own. Ma been baa la isku sheegi? Nope wrong the Somalilanders want everything to do with the rest of Somalis they want fantastic relations with reer nfd reer kilinka shanaad and reer djibouti they only have some problems with the koonfurians. The rest of the Somalis are fine, about ssc these regions are very multi tribal you cannot just divide and judge those region to one clan. Certainly SL has legal and historic rights to it and ofcourse a large base there whether than they to join Puntland i doubt it. But for the Mogadishaawis i doubt they would support that galkacyo be in 2 different republics and their smaller kin to be dominated by another clan in jubbaland region who than become their own republic. Than the rest particularly haatu and zack and the pirates it will be very hard to unite as tribe under one country since the HAG and bay and bakool communities live in between those tribes. Haatu this is the map tribal map of the former Somali republic now would you divide it because many regions are mixed just look at the south.

Currently, the Khaatumo project finds itself in difficult circumstances. On the one hand, they need a solid, positive relationship with the FG in Mogadishu to politically pressure SL, yet on the other hand, certain 'cousins' are pressuring the Khaatumo 'party' to support the Jubba project in clan-solidarity, a move certain to alienate the Mogadishu-based FG Exactly ali khalif galaydh the last few months was campaigning for the constitutional rights for the jubbaland project. Now he finds him self in a very harsh situation the Mogadishu government cannot really take him serious. Well some with in Khatumo those in taleex, refrain themselves from addressing the Jubbaland project ali khalif went even further and insinuated that Saacid farax was a puppet calling him the shadow of hasan sheikh maxamuud. So not just the Mogadishu folks but he also politically clashed with the gedo leaders.

^^ Haday kala tagaan yaa u ga badhi xun its not good such a small nation oo sii kala firxada wa awood wiiqantay uun, waxay u bahanyihin solutions ay ku bad badan dhibaatada haysata Somalia waxa weye ki shalay wax laayey aya amaanta victim ah ki maanta victimka ah aya beritoole agressorki noqonaya. wa cycle aan dhamanayn. Is aaminadi la so celiya hada ta la rabo wa in horta kan daahir calasow websitkisa la xidha.

Osman seems to be very worried no more airport parties and wrapping the Somali flag around your waist and shaking it, and claiming to be the indisputable Somali nationalist. Seems like hasssan culusow and the elites in Mogadishu could care less about Osman and his many flags.

Haatu;941312 wrote: Somalia will never recover with people like this. It's better in la kala tago. Been yaan la'isku sheegin. Haatu Somali dawo iyo caafimad bay u bahantahay inay kala tagto uma baahna wa in xukunka dalka uun laga mamnuuca laandheerayaasha.

Somalia;941290 wrote: Cheerleading should be a strong second. For a u sure love the kacaan government At least Duke would've fiercely opposed what the kacaan goverment did to Somalia and Somaliland Or Somalia maybe you were never on the side of cabdilahi Yusuf and you were on the side of afweyne

^^ And who are you to talk and speak for the people of awdal sool and sanaag, surely pirates are not the representatives of those constituencies in Somaliland. Its sad to see that the pirates try to speak for Khatumo when they called them terrorists several occasions what a hypocrisy. The thing is there is no federalism in Somalia at the moment and hassan sheikh maxamuud knows this and he doesn't want to establish the Swiss form of federalism but he is willing to establish first a strong entity from galkacyo to the Kenyan border and from there. Create sub regional governmental institutions up to federal states but mixed states he doesn't want clan identities to be empowered in Somalia. Hence his opposition to Jubbaland conference. Ximan iyo xeeb aswj and galmudug directly fall under the supervision of the central government. Its just Puntland which is autonomous. So there is no federalism in Somalia as you want it at the moment the HAG houses understand this.

He said daahir calasow and his clan looted Xamar

Xiinfaniin dad ilkaha laga daadiyey baad leedahay cid ba wax weydinaysa ma iyaga ba dhawaaq afkooda ka so bixi kara, nagada hadaba

Does Xiinfaniin really think Koonfurians have a say about Somalilands future this is just wishful thinking Mintid spot on there are always certain people from particular corners trying to create a friction between the 2 sides talking. This is no longer the case even the elders of Mogadishu today i quote them said the following. “Waxaan aaminsanahay in uu dhamaaday wakhtigii labada shacab loo kala sheekayn jiray inuu wacyigii haatan isbedelay oo dadkii bisladeen maanta dadku ay yihiin shacab aan been lookala sheegi Karin ama aan is aqoon meesha way ka baxday wadahadalkaa maanta bilaabmayna waxa uu astaan u yahay dadku xaga siyaasada waxay doonaana hakala aaminsanaadaane, hadana dadku inay yihiin labada shacab oo dadkooduna walaalo ah oo xal ka gaadhi kara waxa bulshadu ay horumar ku gaadhi karto”. ayuu yidhi gudoomiyaha Odayaasha Beelaha Mogadishu

The Zack;941271 wrote: Qofkaa hebel ah khayaano qaran buu galay baan maqli jiray, maanta khayaano qabiil buu galay baa socoto lol ahhaahhaahaha thats a good one Zack :D

So much clan talk

So far its only cali khalif galaydh making noise and saying the ankara agreement was in favor of SL. Its seems the rest of those who are traditionally opposed to SL are fine with the situation those in Jubbaland and the one in Garowe. And are more concerned about the Jubbaland state formation.

Still, the question is what is more important for Hassan Sheikh and his opponents; winning the "internal" struggle or stopping SL This is a very important question i want xiins spin on this

^^ They are not blamed for the attack they are harboring criminals