^^ The same block abandoned by the Pirates nagaa daa dee:D

Oodweyne its Xiins famous Crystal ball, he sees the union coming be aware:D

Its not about reporting its about diplomatic correctness ,since Somaliland is a defacto independent state. and its status as it is now it has to deal with the brits through their embassy in addis ababa.No one is appeasing the president of Somalia so far he is seen as a credible partner in dialogue President hassan. And the SL government will continue talking to him in order to clarify our future relations.

Oodweyne;943555 wrote: ^^^Saaxxiib, It's not about liking the man or even admiring his bow-legged walk ( ). But it's the first leader of Somalia since early 1990s (incidentally it was none other Gen. Aideed who wanted the talks to happen between Somalia and Somaliland) who accepted as a principle (legally signed in the presence of an international witness to vouchsafe before all others) that destiny of the what was then used to be known as the Somali republic will be be based on a bilateral discussion of two and only two party. This is the historical milestone he did it. And if that talks collapsed then those legally given reality can't be wished away; and there will be no third party to elbow it's way to any talks between Somaliland and Somalia.. This means, if the talks fail then, we have acceptance of the international community that we were an entity call Somaliland that even Somalia has accepted it; and since the talks have failed, then each party will be free to seek it's destiny as it sees fit.. General caydiid was a man a head of his time, the only problem with him was he had the balls to rule and even had territorial control with out the Amisom forces. But his efforts were halted by diplomatic thievery in Djibouti.And a disorganized central committee of the USC. Brother hassan enjoys legitimacy, but he lacks the institutional functionality, and needs AU troops. Nevertheless its a legitimate government in the eyes of the western powers Europe United states. So i say let the talking continue i am sure , we came along way.

Oodweyne;943502 wrote: This sort of argument in my view are bit premature (or if you like putting the cart before the horse); for they have to wait till end of the talks and we see where we are in-terms of political reality on the ground. But in principles, there are nothing to which one could take exception to. Agreed but Somalilanders should always show that they are the most flexible and reasonble people when it comes to engaging with their neighbors and ofcourse, showing Somali solidarity when needed. Its to early to talk about this because we are in the middle of the process the dialogue between the 2 countries.

I dont think any one in Somaliland would have a problem with the movement of people, people of Somalia can visit Somaliland with out a visa. Somalia and Somaliland can later forge closer economic and trade integration. Or even go a step further as carafaat suggested to share the same embassy buildings. Ofcourse there are some hard liners but as long as the 2 sovereign states restore relations everything is possible. We could even go a step further and have the same defense policy so if Kenya has a problem with Somalia. Somaliland would automatically side with Somalia. The same with Ethiopian if its in conflict with Ethiopia or Djibouti if its in conflict with Eritrea. This is all possible if the 2 sides agree two live side by side as two independent nations. This is dahabshils new bank under construction in Mogadishu

^^ I dont see a problem with that i have some relatives of mine who are currently in Xamar and i am sure there are many koonfurians in Somaliland. It just becomes difficult when a governmental official of Somalia tries to visit Somaliland or a governmental official of SL tries to visit Somalia.

xiinfaniin;943477 wrote: ^^I am Khatumo when it comes the big strategic battles ...for the internal politicking and subclannish competition I care not. So no matter how you pretend otherwise there are men who will never entertain this silly notion of yours. And for 21 years, they are the reason why today you cannot set foot in majority of those districts. That is what reality on the ground means awoowe. Jawhar is a good place between, but on matters of secession they irrelevant unless there is a referendum then we need their vote Are you calling some unionists irrelevant those in jawhar and that their opinion doesn't matter. Its a bit more than just sub clanish quarrels between brothers. When some of the brothers side with the other group. For 21 years Somaliland territorial control only advanced never diminished. Yet the pirates lost entire regions and tribes of their state. Now you can claim Khatumo on SOL , but the political leaders those in garowe sing a different song.

Oodweyne also Professor samatar said that that Somaliland and its people are true believers of freedom and democracy he also clearly stated that there are problems in eastern Somaliland. According to Khadar there is no such thing as eastern Somaliland regions:D

Oodweyne, Xiin still believes in the defunct political h- artism those in taleex who call themselves Khatumo, consider the pirate enclave a hostile state that often sides with Somaliland when it comes to Khatumo . Yet Xiinfaniin has the nerve to speak on their behalf

Professor samatar is a genuine unionist i have to say it was a very good interview.

There is a clear distinction between the pirates the so called tribal unionists and the people of hassan sheikh maxamuud the Muqdishaawis. We dont see HAG community members from Mogadishu beledweyne jawhar and afgooye writing endless articles. How treacherous it was of hassan to meet with siilanyo in ankara. Although many Muqdishaawis wish to see the union as it was in 1960 some have an emotional attachment to Somaliland they themselves have no words for. But the pirates have clanish motives they are terrified to see a recognized Somaliland next door because they are terrified of the political weight it might bring in the region particularly for them since they border Somaliland. The resentment the pirates and other sahal community members have for Somaliland is well noted. There are even some of them who are equating the SL Somalia talks , as talks between USC and SNM. Clearly the HAG community and the pirates and their closest allies do not view SL the same way the Muqdishaawis do. I do think that Somaliland has a reasonable partner to have dialogue with in Somalia. That doesn't mean they will agree any time soon but still as long as the talks continue the 2 sides can come to an agreement regarding the future relationship between the 2 countries.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;943432 wrote: I didn't know odeyga Waqooyi Galbeed ka taliyo inuu baadarigii weynaa ee boobka (Pope) ahaa maadaama cafis iyo waxaas la weydiinasanaayo. And when will he ask himself to cafis himself? I mean, wasiir ayuu ka ahaan jiray dowladii hore, wuuna dhex dabaalan jiray. And he believed publically midnimada Soomaaliya as recently as '90s. He might believe it in private now, waala isogyahee. President siilaanyo stopped believing in the unity of Somalia and Somaliland on 18 may 199. You have to understand Siilaanyo lived during colonial Somaliland, he lived during the union and helped re build the new Somaliland.

I think he is a good man,, Mr samatar, but its a good step forward he resigned from the Somalia parliament.

He was one of the last remaining old school poets alive may allah have mercy on his soul, what a talented poet he was samir iyo imaan to his close relatives.

http://togaherer.com/deg-deg-allah-ha-unaxariistee-abwaan-caan-ka-ahaa-gobolka-geeska-africa-abwaan-dhoodaan-oo-ku-geeriyooday-adari/ Ilaahay ha u naxaristo Abwaanka

A khadar warki jira ba wu iman and its not my website LOL it is certain the Professor samatar is sick and tired of Koonfurians

Professor Axmed Ismaaciil Samatar Oo Iska Casilay Xubinimadii Golaha Baarlamaanka Soomaaliya Safarna Ku Imanaya Somaliland Dhawaan April 26, 2013 - samatarHargeysa (BLM) Aqoonyahanka heerka sare ee reer Somaliland Professor Axmed Ismaaciil Samatar oo ahaa siyaasi aad looga qadariyo mandaqadda beriga Afrika iyo dhulka soomaalidu degto ayaa maanta isagoo weraysi siinaayey shabakadda Hadhwanaagnews wuxuu u xaqiijiyey inuu iska casilay xilkii uu ka hayey baarlamaanka Soomaaliya. Shabakadda Hadhwanaagnews oo weraysi khadka telefoonka ah la yeelatay Axmed Ismaaciil Samatar wallow aanay shabakaddu sii wada dayn weraysigaasi ayaa wuxuu ku sheegay weraysigaasi inuu ka niyad jabay gebi ahaanba siyaasadda dalka Soomaaliya oo uu ku tilmaamay mid aan u dhawayn saansaantii qaranimo balse qaab qabiili ah u socota. Professor Samatar wuxuu sheegay inuu xidhiidh la yeeshay wefdiga Somaliland ee uu hogaaminayo madaxweyne Siilaanyo lagana yaabo inay kulan yeeshaan. Professor Samatar ayaa badhtamahii sannadkii hore wuxuu aas aasay xisbi loo bxiiyey Hiil Qaran isagoo u tartamay xilka madaxtinimada dalka Soomaaliya, isagoo dhawaan hadal u jeedinaayey jaaliyadda soomaalida ee magaalada Mennipolis ee gobolka mennisota ayuu u sheegay in si toos ah loogu sheegay inuu yahay nin ka soo jeeda Somaliland oo aanay waxba u oolin Soomaaliya. Professor Samatar oo ah aftahan siyaasi ah ayaa wax weyn ku soo kordhin kara siyaasadda Somaliland haddiiba uu door bido inuu ku soo biiro, balse laftigiisu wuxuu hore u sheegay inuu jecelyahay inuu la doodo dadka oo la dhegaysto. Baligubadlemedia.com

A small but stable democracy lies in the shadow of Somalia in the volatile and terrorist-infested Horn of Africa. It formed a government based on the U.S. Constitution. It feeds more than 3.5 million residents and exports 4 million head of livestock a year to its biggest customer, Saudi Arabia. It holds elections, and defeated incumbents peaceably transfer power to the opposition. Yet for all its pretense to nationhood, Somaliland remains unrecognized diplomatically by all of the 193 countries of the United Nations. It is a stepchild of Somalia, which spent the past 22 years in anarchy, war and famine, while Somaliland quietly built a functioning democracy. “It is a model for the region,” Somaliland Foreign Minister Mohamed A. Omar told Embassy Row this week. On a Washington visit with Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed Mahamoud Silanyo and other government ministers, Mr. Omar explained that the purpose of the trip was to provide U.S. officials with an update on the region’s progress and to lobby for U.S. recognition. He said many nations in Africa are “holding back” recognition, “waiting for a signal from the West.” “Somaliland’s case is not being hindered by legal issues. It is a political issue,” he said. Present-day Somalia was created in 1960 by the union of the former colonies of British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland. Mr. Omar said the goal then was to create a greater Somalia by drawing in ethnic Somalis in neighboring areas. That goal failed. Somalia collapsed into a military dictatorship under Mohamed Siad Barre, who was overthrown in 1991. Somalia became a lawless nation, beset by pirates and terrorists. Massive international diplomacy and some military intervention have brought some stability to Somalia, which adopted a new constitution last year and held presidential and parliamentary elections. Somaliland, meanwhile, declared independence in 1991 and spent the past two decades working out details with various clan leaders for a new government — modeled after the U.S. Constitution, with a president, bicameral legislature and independent judiciary. It held its first multiparty presidential election in 2003. The CIA World Factbook 2013 says Somaliland, about the size of Virginia and West Virginia combined, has “maintained a stable existence and continues efforts to establish a constitutional democracy.” Mr. Omar said the only hindrance to international recognition is Somalia’s reluctance to disband the union. Somalia’s new president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, is holding talks with Mr. Silanyo on the union’s future. They met two weeks ago in Ankara, Turkey, and plan another meeting in July. Somaliland also is providing information to the West about terrorist activities in the region. A small but stable democracy lies in the shadow of Somalia in the volatile and terrorist-infested Horn of Africa. It formed a government based on the U.S. Constitution. It feeds more than 3.5 million residents and exports 4 million head of livestock a year to its biggest customer, Saudi Arabia. It holds elections, and defeated incumbents peaceably transfer power to the opposition. Yet for all its pretense to nationhood, Somaliland remains unrecognized diplomatically by all of the 193 countries of the United Nations. It is a stepchild of Somalia, which spent the past 22 years in anarchy, war and famine, while Somaliland quietly built a functioning democracy. “It is a model for the region,” Somaliland Foreign Minister Mohamed A. Omar told Embassy Row this week. On a Washington visit with Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed Mahamoud Silanyo and other government ministers, Mr. Omar explained that the purpose of the trip was to provide U.S. officials with an update on the region’s progress and to lobby for U.S. recognition. He said many nations in Africa are “holding back” recognition, “waiting for a signal from the West.” “Somaliland’s case is not being hindered by legal issues. It is a political issue,” he said. Present-day Somalia was created in 1960 by the union of the former colonies of British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland. Mr. Omar said the goal then was to create a greater Somalia by drawing in ethnic Somalis in neighboring areas. That goal failed. Somalia collapsed into a military dictatorship under Mohamed Siad Barre, who was overthrown in 1991. Somalia became a lawless nation, beset by pirates and terrorists. Massive international diplomacy and some military intervention have brought some stability to Somalia, which adopted a new constitution last year and held presidential and parliamentary elections. Somaliland, meanwhile, declared independence in 1991 and spent the past two decades working out details with various clan leaders for a new government — modeled after the U.S. Constitution, with a president, bicameral legislature and independent judiciary. It held its first multiparty presidential election in 2003. The CIA World Factbook 2013 says Somaliland, about the size of Virginia and West Virginia combined, has “maintained a stable existence and continues efforts to establish a constitutional democracy.” Mr. Omar said the only hindrance to international recognition is Somalia’s reluctance to disband the union. Somalia’s new president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, is holding talks with Mr. Silanyo on the union’s future. They met two weeks ago in Ankara, Turkey, and plan another meeting in July. Somaliland also is providing information to the West about terrorist activities in the region. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/25/embassy-row-shadow-democracy-in-africa/?page=2

I am now hearng that he professor samatar resigned from the somalia parliament And that he is planning to visit hargeisa somaLiland

^^ They are the biggest supporters of the Jubbaland project the sahal group.

These people want Djibouti out of Somalia but Kenya to stay

Ururka Sahal oo Bayaan ka soo saaray Siyaasada Jahawareersan ee Xasan Culusow Ururka Sahal ka dib maruu qiimayn ku sameeyey xaalada iyo siyaasada guracan ee Madaxwayne Xasan Shiikh, isla markaasna uu tixraacay bayaanada uu ururku soo saaray 18th March 2013, 31st January 2013, 26th December 2012, 29/11/2012 iyo 9/11/2012, waxuu soo saaray bayaanka hoos ku qoran: 1. Siyaasada jahawareersan ee Madaxweyne Xasan Shiikh Waxaan u aragnaa in madaxwaynuhu uu ku dhaqmaayo siyaasad qar iska tuur ah isla markaasna uu wadanka ku wado siyaasad jahawareer iyo kala eexasho ku salaysan. Waxaan si adag u cambaaraynaa shirkii afduubka iyo hagardaamada ahaa ee Xasan Shiikh iyo xulafadiisa ay ku saxiixeen magaalada Ankara ee wadanka Turkiga. Waxaan u aragnaa in shirkaasu ahaa mid xaqiraad, bahdilid iyo qiyaano loogu gaystay guud ahaan sharafta, qaranimada iyo karaamada ummadda Soomaaliyeed. Waxaan xusuusinaynaa Xasan Shiikh in Soomaalidu aysan isu dilin reer Waqooyi iyo reer Koonfur ee dhibaatada ku dhacday gobolada waqooyi, gobolada dhexe iyo gobolada koonfureed ay ahayd arimo siyaasadeed iyo jamhado kasoo horjeeday dawladii militeriga ahayd. Ugu danbayntii waxaan ummadda Soomaaliyeed ee jecel wanaaga iyo midnimada in madaxwayne Xasan Shiikh iyo xulfadiisu ay galeen khiyaamo qaran taasoo aan ka dalbanayno Baarlaamanka Fadaraaliga ah inay bayaan cad kasoo saaraan arintan foolxumada ah ee lagula kacay masiirka ummadda Soomaaliyeed. 2. Cambaaraynta eexda dawlada Turkiga Waxaan halkaan si adag ugu cambaaraynaa dawladii lagu hanwaynaa ee Turkiga oo Soomaali ka gashay godob iyo kala xigsasho, waxaana dawlada Turkiga la socodsiinaynaa inay lumisay ixtiraamkii iyo sharftii ay ku lahayd dadka Soomaaliyeed ka dib markii ay hal dhinac kaga biirtay siyaasadaha is-diidan ee Soomaalida. Waxaan dawlada Turkiga la socodsiinaynaa inaan laga soo dhowayn doonin gobolada ay ka gashay eexda iyo godobta. 3. Godobta iyo qabyaalada ay wado xukuumada Jabouti Ururka Sahal waxuu si adag u cambaaraynaa dawlada uu hogaamiyo keli-taliye Ismail Omar kaasoo usoo dhar-dhigtay hagardaamaynta iyo u kala eexashada iyo iska horkeenida ummadda Soomaaliyed. Waxaan u aragnaa in xukumuda Ismail Omar Geele ay markasta u taagan tahay inaan habayaraatee Soomaaliya aysan helin dawlad madaxbannaan waana nasiib darro inuu iloobay abaalkii waynaa ee dadka Soomaaliyeed u galeen xiligii gobonimo-doonta ummada reer Jabouti. Waxaan u aragnaa dadka reer Jabuuti inay yihiin dad aad u wanaagsan hase yeeshee ku nool cadaadis iyo xukun keli-talisnimo. Waxaan ugu baaqaynaa ururka IGAD iyo Midowga Africa in si deg deg ah ciidamada Jabuuti looga saaro wadanka Soomaaliya isla markaasna la badalo af-hayeenka AMISON waayo dawlada Jabuuti dhexdhaxaad kama aha arimaha Soomaaliya umana qalanto inay noqoto nabad ilaaliyeyaal isla markaasna dawlada Jabuuti dhagar iyo kala eexasho ayey ku haysaa ummadda Soomaaliyed. 4. Cambaareynta cadaalad darrada ka jirta Wasaaaradda Arimaha Dibada Ururka Sahal waxuu si adag u cambaaraynaayaa eexda iyo qaraabo-kiilka ka socda Wasaaaradda Arimaha Dibada ee DFS, gaar ahaan qaabka loo qaybiyey safiirada dawlada Soomaaliya u fadhiya dalalka dibada. Waxaan Ras'iisal Wasaarada DFS ka dalbaynaynaa in arintan tilaabo deg deg ah laga qaado isla markaasna la kala cadeeyo sababta 95% shaqaalaha wasaaradda arimaha dibada, safiirada iyo qunsulada Soomaaliya loogu soo koobay dad kasoo jeeda labo beelood. 5. Taageerida dhisitaanka maamul goboleedyada Ururka Sahal waxuu si buuxda u taageerayaa una dhiirigelinayaa in dadka Soomaaliyeed ee raba inay samaystaan maamul goboleed ku salaysan rabitaanka dadka deegaanka iyo sida waafaqasan dastuurka fadalaariga ah. Waxaan taageeraynaa xaquuqda dadka degan gobolka Shabeelaha Hoose oo dhulkooda lagu hayo dulmi iyo ku dul-noolaansho, waxaana Wasiirka Arimaha Gudaha iyo dawlada Xasan Shiikh ka dalbaynayaa inaysan dadka Shabeelaha Hoose ku qasbin wax aan lagu qasbi karin dadka degan Shabeelaha Dhexe amase Hiiraan. 6. Ururka waxuu umadda Soomaaliyeed ugu baaqayaa midnimo iyo ka fiijignaanta hagardaamaha wajiga cusub qaatay ee ka mid yihiin midowga Dam jadiid iyo Islaax. Ugu danbayntii ururka Sahal waxuu ummadda Soomaaliyeed la socodsiinayaa in dhowaana magaalada London lagu qaban doono mudaharaad looga soo horjeedo qodobada kor ku xusan, waxaana ugu baaqaynaa dhammaan ummadda jecel midnimda, karaamada iyo sharafta ummadda Soomaaliyeed inay kasoo qaybgalaan mudaharaadkan kaasoo uu dhowaan ururka Sahal soo sheegi doono waqtiga iyo goobta uu ka dhici doono. Bayaanka Waxaa soo saaray Ururka Sahal Organisation, London 25/4/2013

Mogadishu is the seat of the govt and the biggest somali city and the legit govt for the country. They were happy with culusow when he was elected but now they prefer uhurro. Its not about being dependent its about having allies in the region right now they have no relations with the pirates in garowe, no relations with somaliland. Forget about mogadishu, they make it really easy for somaliland.

^^ Mogadishu is the capital city of Somalia home two almost 3 million people How can you compare it to the dusty town in eastern sool