^ Jacpher where did i pray for civil war , i call for peace , by the way i am not against jubbaland state formation nor am i for it , i only discuss what the govt of Somalia is doing and how it views the Jubbaland conference.

^^ Jawaari is touring Turkey

Shirki gooni isutaaga Somaliland was in 1991 burco it was declared out loud every one was there the 9 garaads of the garaad clan including cali khalif galaydh. But Cali was in the borama conference the borame conference was about state governmental building what was he doing there, or is cali saying i ran for vp but not for an independent state a state with in Somalia. Its not bad to change your stance on the union or independence but just be honest with it.

Meyeen dadki laha meesha wala isku afgartay oo wala heshiiyey imisaan laha xaajiga dhegeysta, oo wax ka maqla where is my little brother Che, ama jin la shaqeyihi Nuune war meesha casho macaan wa jirta laakin waxba la isku ma afgaran.

War deg Deg Ah—Puntland iyo Dowlada Federaalka oo kala boodey, Xasan Sheikh oo xanaaq kaga dhoofey Garowe Garowe–29 April,2013–Pi– Shirar Xasasi ah oo maanta Puntland iyo Dowlada Federaalka uga socdey Guriga Madaxtooyada Puntland ayaa natiijo la’aan kusoo dhamaadey ka dib markii labada dhinac ay dhowr qodob isku mariwaayeen, Madaxweyne Xasan Sheikh isagoo xanaaqsan ayuu Garowe ka dhoofey goor dhaweyd. Kulamada Xasaasiga ah oo saacado ka hor kusoo idlaadey guul darada ayaa labada dhinac isku mariwaayeen Qodobo dhowra oo ay kamid yihiin. 1- Arimaha Jubooyinka oo Puntland soo jeedisey in uu Madaxweynuhu taageero sharuud la’aan maadaamada ay Dastuuri tahay. 2- Qodobo Datuurka Federaalka ah oo la ogaadey in wax laga badalay ama la damacsan yahay in wax laga badalo oo Puntland ku tilmaantey Khiyaano qaran, iyo in deg deg wax looga qabto, Dowlada Federaalku way dafirtey eedeyntaas lakiin hadana gadaal ayay iska badaleen oo cadeeyeen iney wax ka jiraan warkaas. 3- Shirka London oo la isku fahmi waayey ajandayaasha lala tagayo, qolaba waxbay ku! lskiin Xasan Sheikh wuxuu ku adkeystey ajandaha uu isagu wato. Qodobadaan oo ah kuwo Howlwadeenada Puntlandi si hoose u heleen waa kuwa lagu kala boodey inkastoo ay dhici karto in qodobo kale jiraa. Shirkii u dambeeyey ee Galabta dhexmaray Puntland iyo DF waa lagu kala kacay iyadoo dhinaca Federaalka xanaaq ka muuqdo. Wafdigii Madaxweynaha booqashadoodii saas bay kusoo dhamaatey waxayna hada kusii jeedaan Muqdisho oo ay u duuleen. Faahfaahin buuxda goor dhow ayaan idiin soo gudbineynaa.

The things with professor cali is he said he took part of the burco conference Not to declare somaliland but to make peace fair enough. But he aslo said he was at the borama conference What was he doing in the borama conference. Because the borama conference was about forming a modern somaliland government post snm interim govt.. Its not bad to change ur stance u didnt commit anything haraam sifir did to. But just be honest about. That said i like the professore wa nin dantisa yaqaan He wanted to run for vp in 1993 but he lost to mujahid abdiraxmaan aw cali of awdal He got a better deal seven years later in cabdiqasbayas tng.

Guys dont get me wrong cashaadu wey macaantahay but do u guys really believe they are on one line now. Its just a trip to show they are on one line for the london conference. Forget about secessionist unionist globalist humanist, waxyaalahaso dhan meel ino dhiga.. Where do they stand on federalism on jubbaland and all of that.after the nice casho

Classified;944198 wrote: How do you like the Presidential compound? That looks goood

I never said it did not take place wala wada casheyey iyo waxyaalahaas waa iska sheeko baralay. Madaxweynuhu wali qaab dhismeedka federaalku sidu yahay iyo sidu faroole u arku wa kaaf iyo kala dheeri. Maxa dagaal keeney where did i mention dagaal. Siyaasada la isku diidanyahay. Any way wa iska shimbiroy heesa hees wanaagsan heesa, trust me on this, somalida siyaasimtooda sidayu shaqeyaan aqaana.

Its all just for the show

The garaad clan is claimed by the pirates ut the garaad clan doesnt want anything to do with the pirate enclave

SOO MAAL;944123 wrote: Amina Mohamed's family hail from Taleex and Xudun towns of Khatumo State of Somalia. I don't understand why some secessionist minded individuals are claiming her family hail from Somaliland. She is from xudun north sool originally which is somaliland that makes her a somalilander,,she is,a pure ethnic somalilander.

Silly childish people

Ace of Spadez;943990 wrote: Axmed Ismaciil Samatar is singing a different tune lately. Listen to the below videos. He is a changed man. http://www.livestream.com/debateforsomalia/video?clipId=pla_13ab8c26-b56c-4acd-8163-22922148fdb7 He sure is a changed man look how he described the union between the 2 states in 1960 he just schooled the Koonfurian journalist about the history of SL and how the Somaliland people lay the foundation of the Union. When the journalists said Somalia has a president and the rest should just follow. In addition he talked about what the people of Somaliland achieved ,that if a union has to come than surely the Koonfurians need to come with something much better for Somalilanders to consider a Union. He also said that many koonfurians told him that Somalilanders cannot lead Somalia. It was a real eye opener for him when he visited Somalia i have to say he is one of the most honest unionist alive today. I think it will all be clear and he will abandon the Koonfurians when he visits Somaliland. And he will know there is no place like home Hargeysa awaits you Professor tafadal.

Che -Guevara;943893 wrote: Waranle. Do you realize how humilitating this is for all Somalis? Che national humiliation or clan Humiliation or ethnic Humiliation, Somalis have a problem with all of those 3

Oodweyne spot on the only difference is that the Kenyans are after resources offshore while the Rwandans and their proxies M23 rebels , who are directed by Rwandan generals are taking the resources in the interior. The only way Hassan sheikh can defeat the ill intentions of the Kenyans is if he creates awareness that the Kenyans want to create a buffer zone inside his legal sovereign territory. He already started with this with in the African union and European union when he was in Brussels that he wants Siera leon troops. He also needs to train capable forces inside Somalia he can get equipment from many countries. But he needs to train competent military forces who can fill the vacuum the most important objective for him should be boots on the ground.

Somalia and Kenyan Presidents in bilateral meeting ahead of London Conference Office of the Somalia President Saturday, April 27, 2013 The President of the Federal Republic of Somalia H.E. Hassan Sh. Mohamud today had a short working visit to Mombasa to meet with his counterpart H.E. Uhuru Kenyatta, the President of Kenya. The President was accompanied by the Deputy Prime Minister/Minister for Foreign Affairs H.E. Fowziya Hagi Yusuf Adam and Minister for the State-House H.E. Farah Sh, Abdulkadir. The President said, “We have had a very good bilateral discussion today concerning a wide range of issues of mutual interest. We have many shared interests and a determination to see the region continue to progress towards peace and prosperity. “We have talked about the need to stand firmly together against the global problem of extremism and terrorism, and we are committed to removing the scourge of Al Shabaab, to defeating them and preventing any spread of their malignant ideology." Said President Hassan “I have also taken the opportunity to brief President Kenyatta on the aims and objectives of the London Conference coming up next week.” At the end President Hassan stated, “We have talked about the need for Somali refugees in Kenya to return to Somalia as soon as the time is right and preparations have been properly made.”

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The Safe Haven Next Door Somaliland was once part of chaotic Somalia. Today it's a thriving oasis of peace. BY AHMED MOHAMED MOHAMOUD SILANYO | APRIL 27, 2013 The Horn of Africa has endured decades of violent repression, civil war, terrorism, and piracy. But Bookmark and Share More... This new approach is evident in Somalia, where a new government, with support from the United States and others, is making a concerted effort to move forward. There are signs of progress. Expatriate technocrats are returning to help rebuild. Piracy off the coast of Somalia has diminished, with attacks falling from 239 in 2010 to 46 in 2012. The British Embassy recently reopened its long-shuttered doors. Yet the country's stability remains fragile, as witnessed just days ago when al-Shabab terrorists bombed Mogadishu's judicial complex, taking the lives of 29 innocent people and injuring more than 40 others. Ironically, the world has paid much less attention to a nearby model of success. Just north of Somalia, the Republic of Somaliland enjoys starkly different circumstances. Having chosen to unite with Somalia after gaining independence in 1960 -- we had been separate colonies under British and Italian rule -- our people reasserted their right to self-determination in 1991 as our neighbor descended into chaos. Since that time, Somaliland has been a virtual island of good governance, peace, and security in the Horn of Africa. There is no safe haven for terrorists on our land, no pirates off our coast. Experts around the world have advocated for the diplomatic recognition of our nation, yet support from the United States and others for our independent, sovereign status remains just out of reach. Our success has come through decades of struggle and suffering. In the 1980s, the Somali regime of Mohamed Siad Barre waged a brutal campaign against Somaliland, killing 50,000 civilians. Like many others who have experienced similar atrocities, we learned an important, tragic lesson: Never again would we allow such a thing to happen to our people. As Somalia subsequently disintegrated, Somaliland built a functioning, stable, and democratic state. While the international community spent millions trying to save Somalia from itself, we focused on maintaining peace within our borders, building strong state institutions, and creating a sustainable economy. Since 2000, Somaliland has held five peaceful elections and preserved a culture of consultative democracy. In the last year, Somaliland has taken deliberate efforts to renew dialogue with Somalia's leadership. Most recently, with the support of the Turkish government, Somalia's President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and I signed a communiqué in which we affirmed our shared commitment to build trust and improve relations between our governments. Future talks will aim to strengthen cooperation in the fight against terrorism, extremism, piracy, illegal fishing, toxic dumping, and other serious crimes. Most importantly, with international support, the Somaliland-Somalia dialogue process must seek to provide final clarification on the status of our political relationship. Somalia and Somaliland can and should be equal partners. Yet as we proceed down this track, we hope and expect that those looking to support Somalia's aspirations will also seek ways to support ours. Engagement with Mogadishu to sustain its transition to a viable entity and support for Somaliland's national aspirations need not be mutually exclusive. In this regard, international conferences to address the region's economic and humanitarian needs are welcome, but must be coupled with steps to address political issues that might otherwise stifle or undermine such support. Likewise, security assistance must be aligned with efforts to resolve these same issues so as not to breed new instability should a final agreement be reached. U.S. defense officials have called Somaliland "an entity that works," and for good reason. Our government does work, and with proper diplomatic recognition, it will be able to contribute more effectively to a sustainable and prosperous future for the Horn of Africa. To this end, we are building on our new dialogue with Somalia to both expand relations with other governments and pursue observer status in international organizations, starting with our region's Intergovernmental Authority on Development and the African Union. We are not asking others to take a chance on what Somaliland may one day become, but rather to simply recognize what we have already achieved. Somaliland is a fully functioning sovereign entity. From 1960 to 1991 we gave unity within a "Greater Somalia" a chance. It did not work, and we cannot turn back. In the midst of violence and now a fragile peace, Somaliland's people have protected -- and will continue to advance -- our cause of freedom and security because we know their true value. In partnership with our neighbors and with the support of the international community, we can ensure that the entirety of the Horn of Africa will experience the peace and stability that we have in Somaliland.

The Somali parliament is very clear lets see the move of the small pseudo nationalists in the Somali parliament.

Apophis i am just analyzing the political movings in the regions as homunculus agreed with me. Where did i mention Habaar or anything related to that maybe you dont know what habaar means Apophis?

Gudoonka Baarlamanka oo mamnuucay in mowshin laga keeno heshiiskii Culusoow iyo SNM-ta Allssc.com (muqdisho) jawaariGudoonka Baarlamanka Somalia ayaa shaaca ka qaaday maanta inaan Baarlamanka la keeni karin mowshin ka dhan ah heshiiskii magaalada Istanbul ee dalka Turkiga ku kala saxiixdeen dowlada Somalia iyo maamulka Somaliland. Hadalkan ayaa waxaa fadhigii Baarlamanka ee maanta ka sheegay Mahad Cabdalla Cawad oo ah gudoomiye ku-xigeenka labaad ee Baarlamanka Somalia oo shir gudoominayey kulankaas. “Xildhibaanada waxaan u sheegeynaa ineysan naga sugin inaan ka qabano, golahana horkeeno mowshin ka dhan ah heshiiskii dowlada Somalia iyo maamulka Somaliland, maxaa yeelay waxaa arintaas baarlamanku u xilsaaray heyaddo kale” ayuu intaa ku daray Mahad Cabdalla Cawad. Arintan ayaa ku soo aadeysa iyadoo xildhibaano ka tirsan Baarlamanka Somalia oo uu horkacayey Prof. Cali Khaliif Galeyr ay sheegeen iney diyaariyeen mowshin ka dhan ah heshiiskaas, ayna doonayaan inuu baarlamanku ka doodo, waxayna xuseen in dowlada Somalia ay sidii dowlad la siman heshiis ula saxiixatay Somaliland, iyagoo xusay in heshiiskan uu qatar gelinayo midnimada Somalia, Somaliland ku dhiirigelinayo damacooda ahaa iney ka go’aan dalka intiisa kale. Dhinaca kale, kulankii maanta oo ay soo xaadireen 172 xildhibaan ayaa waxaa looga dooday qodobo ku saabsan xeer hoosaadka uu ku shaqeynayo baarlamanka afarra sano ee uu jirayo, waxaana ka hadlay xildhibaano badan. Allssc.com

Guddoonka Baarlamaanka oo diiday in Baarlamaanka la horkeeno Mooshin ka dhan ah Heshiiskii Ankara ee DF iyo maamulka Soomaaliland Kulanka maanta ay yesheen mudaneyaasha Baarlamanka dalka waxaa shir guddoominayay gudoomiye ku xigeenka labaad ee Baarlamanka, waxaana soo xaadiray 170 mudane iyadoo ajandaha uu ahaa mooshinkii ay dhowaan soo gudbiyeen xildhibaano, mooshinkaas oo ahaa heshiiskii ay DF la gashay maamulka Somaliland ee ka dhacay Ankara, Turkiga. Guddoonka baarlamaanka ayaa maanta gabi ahaanba laalay in mudanayaasha baarlamaanku ay ka doodaan Mooshinkaas, wuxuuna ku tilmaamay inuu yahay mid aan sharci ahayn, gudoonka baarlamaanka ayaa ku dhawaaaqay iney manuuc tahay in mooshin laga keeno heshiiskaas maadaama aysan ahayn arin u taallo golaha sharci dajinta baarlamaanka. Mahad Cabdale Cawad guddoomiye ku xigeenka labaad ee Baarlamanka oo shir guddoominayay kulankii maanta ayaa sheegay in la celiyay ajandahii ahaa soo bandhigida qodobadii ka soo baxay wada hadalkii dowladda Soomaaliya iyo maamulka Soomaaliland waxa uuna tilmaamay in awooda mudaneyaasha Baarlamanka aysan aheyn ka hadalka arrintaas maadama ay quseyso xukuumadda. Arrintaan ayaan ilaa ka hadlin xildhibaanadii mooshinka keenay. Waa markii ugu horreysay oo guddoonka baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ay si toos ah u diidaan mooshin ay soo gudbiyeen xildhibaano ka tirsan golaha shacabka, waxaase jirta in dhawaan uu guddoomiyaha baarlamaanka ku wargeliyay xildhibaannada in dib loogu soo laabto ka hadalka qodobkaas. Puntlandi

Guddoonka Baarlamaanka oo sharcidarro ku tilmaamay in laga keeno Mooshin Heshiiskii dhexmaray Somalia iyo Somaliland Sabti, Abriil 27, 2013 (HOL) — Guddoonka baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ayaa diiday mooshin laga keenay heshiiskii dhexmaray dowladda Soomaaliya iyo maamulka Somaliland, iyagoo sheegay in mooshinkaas uu ka horimaanayo dastuurka dalka, sidaa daraadeedna aan laga doodayn. Kulan uu maanta yeeshay baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ayaa waxaa hadalka ka sheegay guddoomiye ku xigeenka labaad ee baarlamaanka Soomaaliya, Mahad Cabdalla Cawad, isagoo xusay in xildhibaannadu ay dalban karaan in dadkii ka qaybgalay ay horyimaadaan baarlamaanka, balse aan heshiiskaas laga hadli karin. “Barnaamijka xukuumadda ee la meel-mariyay 13-kii Novmber 2012, wuxuu xukuumadda siinayaa awood ay ku qabsato howlaha siyaasadda dalka, sidaa daraadeed golaha baarlamaanku ma faragelin karo howlaha xukuumadda ee dhinaca siyaasadda,” ayuu yiri Cawad. Sidoo kale, guddoomiye ku xigeenka ayaa sheegay inaysan ka doodi karin war-murtiyeedkii ama heshiiskiii kasoo baxay shirkii Somalia iyo Somaliland wuxuuna xusay in xukuumadu ay xor u tahay inay ku matasho Soomaaliya arrimaha siyaasadda. “Xildhibaannadii mooshinka soo gudbiyay waxaan ku leeyahay mooshinkan ma ahan mid sharciga waafaqsan sidaa daraadeed loogama hadlayo shirka baarlamaanka arrintaas, balse waxaad xaq u leedihiin inaad u yeertaan qaar ka mid ah xubnihii ka qaybgalay si aad su’aalo u weydiisaan,” ayuu ku daray hadalkiisa. Hadalkan ayaa wuxuu imaanayaa kaddib markii xildhibaanno baarlamaanka ka tirsan ay dhawaan u gudbiyeen baarlamaanka ka hadalka heshiiskii dalka Turkiga ku dhexmaray dowladda Soomaaliya iyo maamulka Somailand, kaas oo ahaa mid iskaashi oo ay qodobbadiisa ka mid ahaayeen in la wadaago deeqaha dibadda laga helo iyo ka shaqeynta ammaanka. Waa markii ugu horreysay oo guddoonka baarlamaanka Soomaaliya ay si toos ah u diidaan mooshin ay soo gudbiyeen xildhibaano ka tirsan golaha shacabka, waxaase jirta in dhawaan uu guddoomiyaha baarlamaanka ku wargeliyay xildhibaannada in dib loogu soo laabto ka hadalka qodobkaas.

Sulleiman The Great;943737 wrote: this government needs to distance itself from this jubaland thing, focus on more important issue and let the situation play out. Focus more on economic recovery and infrastructural rehabilitation. I think the president is doing well by letting this jubaland thing playout. Jubbaland is an important part of Somalia with a major port there , so the President and his government will focus what happens there , still large parts of that territory is in the hands of Alshabaab and there are some elements who want to create a one sided tribal state there, at the expense of the others. So the government has the right to intervene since its responsible for those regions. Its the governments task to create capable security forces for those regions.