Homunculus;950871 wrote: Oh those evil Khatumites, is their an end to their wickedness. What do you have against Khatumites waryaaa leave them alone. Are you supporting barre hiiraales presidency.

What were people expecting that Somalia will miraculously unite that Somalis will just forgive and forget and hold hands and sing kumbaya. Just because a piece of paper called the constitution was passed. Somalia is a broken nation tarnished by Tribalism islamism/shabaabism neighboring countries all supporting their direct interests inside Somalias sovereignty.Some people are to harsh on President hassan its not like he was expecting this.Its not like he is in control in Kismayo, he might be the President but the city is in the Hands of the Kenyans and the raskambooni movement. President of Somalia called for reconciliation in the region people rejected it and said we want our state by hook or by crook than so be it ka xa xaabi. Result 3 Presidents all from the tribe all claiming to be the President of Jubbaland.

Al-Shabaab oo guulo ka sheegtay dagaal ay la galeen ciidanka dowlada 16. maj 2013 Ururka AL-Shabaab ayaa guulo ka sheegtay dagaalo ka dhacay Gobalka Gedo iyo sidoo kale Gobalka Jubadda hoose deegaano ka tirsan. Afhayeenka dhanka dagaalada ee Ururka Al-Shabaab Sheekh C/casiis Abuu Muscab oo la hadlay warbaahinta ayaa sheegay in dagaalkii ka dhacay Gobalka Gedo ee udhaxeeyay ciidamada Dowladda Soomaaliya iyo kuwa Shabaab guulo waaweyn ay ka gaareen. Dagaalka Gobalka Gedo ka dhacay ayaa wuxuu sheegay inuu ka dhacay deegaan lagu magacaabo Caracas oo udhaxeeya Magaalooyinka Garbahaareey iyo Beladxaawo. Abuu Muscab ayaa sheegay in khasaaro dhimasho iyo dhaawac ah ay ku gaarsiiyeen ciidanka Dowladda Soomaaliya dagaalkaasi wuxuuna sheegay in 12- ay ka dileen 30-dagaalyahana ay dhaawaceen ciidanka Dowladda,isaga oo tilmaamay inay hub ka qaateen ciidanka dagaalka ay la galeen. Afhayeenka dhanka dagaalada ee Al-Shabaab ayaa wuxuu sidoo kale sheegay in dagaal ka dhacay Magaalada Kismaayo ee xarunta Gobalka Jubadda hoose guulo ay ka gaareen ciidankooda. Ma uusan soo hadal qaadin khasaaro Shabaab kasoo gaaray dagaalada uu tiriyay Abuu Muscab ee guulaha dhamaan uu kawada sheegtay.

^^ Nothing really but its just a boost for Ahmed madoobe the more of his tribesmen supporting him the better for him.

Salax they have no choice to support Axmed madoobe, since Culusow and co ignored them even when they waved the Somali flag.its good for Khatumo to support their former allies the Azanians i welcome this. Khatumo siyasadi wa barteen they are showing the middle finger to culusow and siding with tolkood. Remember clan is everything.

^ Hows kenya responsible , the responsibility lies with in the 2 Presidents barre and ahmed. Kenya is just there to maintain the peace. and the security of the region.

No its not like that its more complicated HAG +gedo +uganda +burundi+ Djibouti +damul jadiid+ qatar +barre hiiraale+ galmudug +ximan iyo xeeb versus Puntland +Jubbaland Ahmed madoobe faction Kilil 5 admin Kenya+ Khatumo+ Sahal.

Fathers of independence forgotten in Somalia The founding fathers of the Somali Independence by Shafi’i Mohyaddin Abokar Wednesday, May 15, 2013 The subdivision of what was once called as ‘the great Somalia’ or SOOMAALI WEYN, which has now descended into small clan-based semiautonomous states, is mainly attributed to the loss of the memorial services that Somali people used to observe each year with the arrival of the Somali youth day the 15th May which was on Wednesday not remembered as used to be, although small congregations have been observed in some places, but that doesn’t really match how to commemorate such prestigious day. To the record of my remembrance for the past 16 years I have been a mature, Somali people across the country or elsewhere around the world used to share ideas and suggestions on how to make pre-arrival preparations for the memorial services of the day which used to be held in and outside the country. That was always taking place even at least two or three months, before the arrival of 15th May, the foundation day of Somali Youth council SYC in 143, which later changed into Somali Youth League SYL. But no colourful events have been seen this year, whilst no one can predict what has been wrong with the millions of Somalis around the globe. Imagine, in the capital Mogadishu, or the provincial capital of the semiautonomous state of Puntland, as elsewhere in the country used to host huge celebrations which started a day before and continued through the night of the 15th May, whilst small luxury cars used to be seen travelling in streets with covered the flag of Somalia in big cities and small villages across the country, but that didn’t happen even through Wednesday night of the 15th May. Instead of that, leaders of the federal government of Somalia have been sharing discussions and consultations on how to react to the outcome of the Kismayo conference that elected a regional state president which the federal government recognised as an illegal administration which didn’t come with the consent of the people living in the southern Jubba regions, where former Islamist warlord Ahmed Mohamed Islan (Madoobe) has been elected as the Jubba Land state president on Wednesday. The city of Garowe which is the provincial capital of the semiautonomous Somali state of Puntland, was the same as any other big cities in Somalia, as no word of the 15th May day was even mentioned at the presidential palace or at any other governmental complex. But, instead the president of Puntland Abdirahman Sheik Mohamed (Faroole) appeared in the news headlines around the country sending congratulations to the president elected of Jubba Land state Ahmed Madoobe, forgetting to say about the 15th of May. “I am extremely happy to hear about the very positive news that has just emerged from the constitutional meeting which has been under way in Kismayo and elected Sheik Ahmed Madoobe as a president, we hope success for the president elected and his government” Punland state president Abdirahman faroole said at a press conference, while sitting at a small park in his presidential palace in Garowe, just few minutes after the announcement of the election. “The outcome of Kismayo meeting is a great failure to all who were against it—I urge the federal government to support the outcome of the months-long Kismayo conference, like wise I call IGAD and the rest of the international community to support it” President Faroole toldthe media on Wednesday. But in reaction, prime minister of the federal government of Somalia Abdi Farah Shirdoon has appointed a 16-member facilitation committee which he said will work on the process of reconciliation of the southern Jubba regions. In a press statement the prime minister said the duties of the committee include to work on how to form a future regional state in the regions, which means his government doesn’t accept the outcome of Kismayo meeting which the prime minister himself previously described as an unconstitutional’ which wasn’t compatible with the federal charter. The same as the president of Puntland, did the prime minister of Somalia who hasn’t mentioned about the 15th May in his statement which was broadcasted in the state media on Wednesday, something that all Somalis are asking themselves about why the prime minister of a nation didn’t even say a single word on the fathers of independence. “The 15th May was the sole day of our fathe4rs of independence in the whole year and I am really disappointed by the behaviour of our leaders who are messing around with something else and forgetting the importance of this day “former table tennis national team member Abdirahman Ali Mire told the media. “It is really a great misfortune that even never happened in the era of warlords, Somali government and other regional states will be accounted for the loss of 15th May celebrations this year” Mire added. However, the capital Mogadishu has seen a small congregation organized by a group of young boys and girls called ‘SYL II’ which was held in an open ground in the capital in the attendance of some low profile PMs, women and children. The president, the Prime minister, the speaker of parliament of their ministers have not event taken part in the youth-organized congregation of they failed to organize themselves. However that was the end of how the 15th of May has passed us this year the 2013.

Cuqaasha,Waxgaradka Iyo Dhamaan Bulshada Gobolka Cayn Ee Magaalada Buuhoodle Oo Hambalyo U Diraya Madaxweynaha Cusub Ee Jubbaland State.(Daawo Maqal Iyo Muqaal) Buuhoodle(Allssc)-Tan iyo markii madaxweynaha maamulka Jubbaland loo doortay Axmed Madoobe oo kamid ahaa siyaasiyiintii ugu cad-cadaa ee loo badinayey inay kusoo baxaan jagada madaxtinimo ee maamulka Jubbaland ayaa waxaa arintaasi afkaaro kala duwan ka bixiyey shacab weynaha Soomaaliyeed, Iyagoona qaarkood ay soo dhoweeyeen doorashadii madaxtinimo ee ergooyinkii shirkii Kismaayo ay ku doorteen madaxweynaha maamulkaasi Axmed Madoobe. Hadaba shacab weynaha ku dhaqan magaalada Buuhoodle oo aanu maanta mirco Phone-ka la dhex qaaday ayaa afkaarahooda arintaasi ku aadan waxa ay u dhigeen sidatan… Si kaba ha ahaatee maamul goboleedka Jubbaland ayaa isagu kamid noqonaya maamulada ka jira haatan gudaha dalka Soomaaliya, Waxaana inta badan shacabka Soomaaliyeed ay fiiro gaar ah u yeelan doonaan xiligani madaxweynaha maamulkaasi waxa uu kusoo kordhiyo siyaasada iyo horumarka dalka. Hadaba Hoos Ka Daawo Video Dhameytiran Cuqaasha,Waxgaradka,Ganacsatada Iyo Dhamaan Bulshada ku Dhaqan Magaalada Buuhoodle Oo Taageero Iyo Hambaly

I am hearing news that there are celebration non stop in Jigjiga the past 24 hours

Cabdi Maxamed Cumar Juba-land Dhiiganaga Ayaan U Huraynaa” wasiirka Kismaayo(Allssc): Warsaxafadeed kasoo baxay xarunta madaxtooyada ee magaalada jigjiga ee dawlada deeganka soomaalida ee itoobiya oo uu ku sixixnaa madaxwaynaha DDS ee itoobiya cabdi maxamed cumar ayaa waxaa hanbalyo loogu diray madaxwaynaha cusub ee juba-land,(sh, Axmed maxamed islaam Axmed madoobe) Warsaxafadedka oo uu noqol kamid ah allssc soo garay ayaa waxaa hambalyo loogu diray shacabka reer juba-land oo uu madaxwaynaha DDS ,ku amaanay qaabka ay uga mira dhaliyeen dadal ay mudo soo wadeen oo guulaystay, Madaxwaynaha DDS ee itoobiya ayaa sheegay in ay dawlada deeganka iyo jamuuriyada fadarlka ee itoobiya ay garab tagaan yihiin juba-land , Hiil iyo hooba naga hooya tageerada aan idiin hayno waa mid aanan ka daalaynin oo joogto ah Shacabka iyo xukumada dawlada deeganka somalida ee itoobiya,waa ay idiin hiilinayaan waana idin garab taagan yihiin ayuu hadalkiisa sii raciyay, Ma aqbali doono cid walba oo idin hor is taagta waana ka soo horjeednaa dadka qaswadayaasha ah ee qaarkood ay Kismaayo idinla joogan lkn anaga waxaa naga go,an in aan dhiiganaga u hurno, sidii juba-land ay cagaheeda isugu taagi lahayd, Dawlada itoobiya waxaay soo dhawaynaysaa madaxwaynaha cusub ee dawlada juba-land-waxaanan idiin sidaa fariin hambalyo ah oo aan idin kaga wado R/Wasaraha itooyiya ayuu (cabdi maxamed cumar ) hadalkiisa kusii dhidbay, Dawlada itoobiya iyo kan maamulka DDS waxaa ay idiin yihiin gaashaan marnaba ma dhici doonto in hawsha juhdiga iyo dhaqalahu galay si dhibyar inta Kismaayo loo yimaado la arqaladeeyo ayuu madaxwaynuhu hadalkiisa siiraciyay, Ugu danbayn madaxwaynahu waxaa uu kula dardarmay madaxwaynaha juba-land in uu ka shaqeeyo,nadaba iyo xasiloonida gobolka dadkana uu si siman ula tacamulo,

The govt cannot solve it because they are not in control

Not at all its not just accents the garaad clan shares no folkore dance with the pirates When having a traditional marriage the pirates do a shaar shaar. While the garaad clan they do the xeedho like the rest of their people in somaliland. And when u have cali khalif who is in his early 70 claimes the so called clan confederation is fake. Wax la sheeg sheegaya wa jiraa wase sheeko baralay Not the same culture not the same tradition not the same geneology. They only share a lose clan assocation but is questioned by many. No childeren dad isku ethnic ah maha dadkaasu

Classified afcourse they are not from the same ethnic group they are closely assiociated. By early clan confederation But they have different origin they don even have the same culture Reer laascaanood are camel herders. Reer garowe are goat herders. No my friend dadkaas shaqo isku ma laha. Wa garmal iyo ingriis oo kale Another issue is the reer laascaanood havv a much shorter geneology lineage than the pirates Have u need listen to cali khalif galaydh he called the close clan association sheek baralay Mayaaa saaxib dadkaas dad shuqul isku leh maha

^^ No they are not the same ethnic group wa ku sidee.

No they were not called ardsomals carrsomals that is strictly for Somaliland and Somaliland people. , the pirates were called Sultanate of Maguartania.

Classified;950670 wrote: Ard is Land for Arabic. That's not an ethnicity. lol Anyways, what were the "Ethnic Somalis" use to be called before the Colonials? They were called carreSomals ard Somals labbadaba, that was their ethnic group

How did a topic about a separate calling code turn into genetics ancestry and origins WTF

^^ They were called Ethnic ArdSomaal so its the same thing

Classified;950659 wrote: Ethnic Somalis? So, the Somalis in Hargeisa, are they Ethnic Somalis or "Ethnic Somali landers "? lol They are ethnic Somalilanders

Classified i am not from gabiley and if there is new interesting about gabiley or borama i will post it or any other part of SL. You have a problem me discussing Jubbaland affairs why is that. Are you saying people from SL should not talk about Somalia? i Talk about all country south sudan and other nations it doesn't mean i have to have ties. This is hot news iska daawo niyo

In the 16 century the predominant tribe in Somaliland was around 20.000 people according to Fatuh al habash and some sections were not even mentioned maybe to small. The holy man lived around the 12th century mathematically it make sense ofcourse i do not believe every one is descendants of ofcourse there was some assimilation. The same with Yusuf al baqdadi the grandfather of Cumar walashma founder of the Walashma Kingdom in seylac also partly related to the hargeisa clan. Genetically not all Somali speaking people have the same ancestry but because of islam and they were the only early Muslims in the horn they sticked together and through intermarriage and common values they developed their Somali identity the past 1000 years. As people and later when they adopted the nomadic culture they even re invented the Somali traditional culture. There is one book that mentions the early Somalis in written literature and that's the conquest of the Abyssinians. in details in sub clan and also where they lived and their tribal chiefs and how they took part of the wars. Many clans all lived together. Some clans were lost in other clans and so on. Somalis lived deep inside Ethiopia much further than the Somali galbeed region today.

islam came from north so Mozambique cannot claim ethnic Somali , salax ma intaas uun tidhahdiid. Since Ethnic Somali identity for the biggest part is based on the islamic heritage.

Classified;950643 wrote: My God! This is the 10th Jubbaland-related Thread you made today, Mr. Xunjuf. For a man, who hates anything Somalia. For a man, who's tribal territory doesn't pass Hargeisa's Southern tip, you spend unhealthy amount of time and effort in issues relating to Somalia (Anything south of Oog all the way to Kismaayo), specifically to the "Enemy Clan". Who said i hate Somalia, i am in disagreement with some Somali leaders but there is no hate And this is the second topic today i made about Jubbaland and Kismayo its hot news. Enemy clan , what enemy clan?

Former Islamist warlord elected president of Somali region ReutersBy Drazen Jorgic | Reuters Somalia's Sheikh Ahmed Madobe, leader of the Ras Kamboni, a pro Mogadishu militia which has fought alongside the Kenyan Defence Forces in southern Somalia, is seen with his troops at the main seaport of Somalia's port city of Kismayu, October 5, 2012. REUTERS/Richard Lough View Photo Reuters/Reuters - Somalia's Sheikh Ahmed Madobe, leader of the Ras Kamboni, a pro Mogadishu militia which has fought alongside the Kenyan Defence Forces in southern Somalia, is seen with his troops at the main …more By Drazen Jorgic MOGADISHU (Reuters) - A former Islamist warlord was declared president of Somalia's southern region on Wednesday, something likely to upset the government in Mogadishu as it tries to assert its authority. Although Ahmed Madobe, leader of powerful Ras Kamboni militia, fought against the al Qaeda-linked militants that tried to seize control of the country, he is not viewed favourably by the central government. Hours after the constitutional assembly in the volatile Jubaland region elected Madobe president, a rival warlord who is widely seen to be backed by Mogadishu, Barre Hirale, declared himself to be the president. Madobe and Hirale are backed by rival clans competing for control of the strategically important port city of Kismayu. "There is a risk that Somalia will be split along clan lines," said one Western diplomat, who expressed concern that the al Qaeda-linked al Shabaab may benefit from any clashes between rival militias. "As we get closer to building a federal state in Somalia, we actually risk it disintegrating," the diplomat said. Madobe was a former governor of Kismayu during an administration that was routed by Ethiopian forces sent into Somalia between 2006-2009 with tacit U.S. backing. His Ras Kamboni militia has fought alongside Kenyan troops over the past year, flushing al Shabaab out of their strongholds in the south. Ras Kamboni has been unwilling to cede to the central government control over Kismayu where rival warlords fight to be able to tax charcoal exports to Gulf states and levy duty on imported contraband, including weapons, sugar and electronics. "These two 'presidents' of Jubaland are both warlords who are actually proxies for Kenya and Somalia. We could be on a precipice of clan warfare, if not regional conflict," said a regional intelligence source. The government did not comment on the election but Abdirahman Mohamud Farole, president of Puntland, another semi-autonomous region which has a fractious relationship with Mogadishu, congratulated Madobe on his election.