malistar2012;952762 wrote: XAAJI so about decade SNM was cooperating with enemy of Somalia as you admit , Terrorizing Somali cities and civilian are you proud ? Enemy of Somalia general barre dropped all of Somalias claims on the Somali galbeed region in 1988 and,restored relations with the Derg regime. Some of general barre inner circles suggested to make peace with the SNM. He rejected he made peace with mengistu in the hope SNM would stop attacking his regime and drop the struggle. Wrong was he the SNM stepped up the game and by 1990 he ended up to be the mayor of Mogadishu.

Saalax;952734 wrote: What planet are you living on? The same Somalia that is trying to deny your existence and did not even apologize for its war against Somaliland between 1981-1991? As the saying goes the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Somaliland does not necessarily need the aid of other nations it can handle its own, anything that will frighten Somalia from ever trying to make the same mistake thinking it can attack Somaliland is welcome though. Salax you are viewing this from one side try to do it from the other side. First of all Ethiopia and Somalia are no longer enemies Ethiopian troops are widely accepted in Somalia as allies.Second the EPRDF government is just pressing the buttons so that hassan gives into their demands regarding the jubbaland thing. As for Somaliland and Somalia , the problem between Somalia and Somaliland is that one side still does not accept that the union between the 2 countries is over. But there are no other animosities. Having said that, Somalia as you view it does not exist. koonfurians are not united there are various entities and fiefdoms in Somalia. Koonfurians might call themselves unionists patriots but they are far from that. They cant unite Puntland cannot unite with galmudug and the 2 jubbaland admins cant agree on one admin. Your viewing Somalia as one county that no longer exists salaxow there is an SFG entity with limited control guarded by African union troops And there are other entities all pursuing their own separate foreign policy. But Somalia in the long term they will be Somalilands closest allies we just haven't reached that era yet.

I have seen it to on couple of websites to that the prime minister addressed the issue on their parliament but it means nothing. Because Somaliland does not need their support , Somaliland is not Somalia that needs Ethiopian troops to protect it

malistar2012;952744 wrote: Xaaji Stop the cover up , Hargesa admin owes its dependence on Ethiopian regime , which armed Snm clan harbored them and gave them advice to break Somalia.? Not true SNM was formed in Saudi arabia with the ideology and interests of Somalilanders , and the Ethiopians never gave SNM free weapons they bought those weapons from them. Nor in the 80s did the SNM jointly attack Somalia with Ethiopia. But merely for a base and that was only between 1982 until 1988. From 1988 until 1991 SNM existed as independent entity with no support from Ethiopia or base. Independence aspirations came from Somalilanders nothing to do with Ethiopians in 1961 Somalilanders had their double feelings about the union and staged a staged a coup d'etat. Ethiopians could care less if Somaliland becomes like Puntland or stays where it is. They are protecting their own interests. In an ideal world it would have been fantastic to have the greatest relations with Somalia. But this is Somalia. so it will be very difficult.

Haatu here it is SUBJECT: ETHIOPIA MAKES CASE FOR SOMALILAND "SEMI-RECOGNITION" Classified By: Ambassador Donald Yamamoto for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d). ¶1. © On the margins of a discussion with Acting AF Assistant Secretary Phil Carter On January 30, Ethiopia Prime Minister Meles made the case for "semi-recognition" of Somaliland as a critical step necessary to enhance the international community’s ability to support Somaliland on regional security/stability and in its own domestic efforts toward democratization. Meles argued that the international community’s status quo relationship with Somaliland is untenable and that Somaliland needs a way around the issue of legal recognition to allow the international community to "recognize some authority within Somaliland with which it can engage." ¶2. © Meles accepted Acting A/S Carter’s argument that Somaliland’s internal political dynamics over the past two years have not helped their case, and agreed that the region must get back on track and hold credible elections as planned this spring. Still Meles argued that Somaliland’s democratic process cannot be sustained without some kind of interim recognition which can allow for the provision of international assistance to bolster Somaliland’s own democratic process. ¶3. © Meles noted that he has already broached the notion of an interim- or semi-recognition, along the lines of what the Palestinian Authority enjoys, with Somaliland President Kahin Riyale, and that Riyale has become increasingly receptive to the strategy. Meles argued to Carter that the next steps must be for others in the international community to help convince the Somalilanders of such an approach. Then, Somaliland needs a "good sponsor" within the African community to advance the cause. Meles suggested that Djibouti would be the best choice, and acknowledged that Ethiopia would be the worst (as the move risked only fueling detractors’ arguments that Ethiopia is bent on breaking up Somalia). Once the strategy had support among African states, Meles argued that the onus would be on the U.S. and UK to make the Somaliland semi-recognition case to the Europeans and others in the international community. http://danielberhane.com/2011/09/08/wikileaks-ethiopia-proposed-semi-recognition-for-somaliland/ Meles said the GoE is not enthusiastic about Kenya's Jubaland initiative, but is sharing intelligence with Kenya and hoping for success. In the event the initiative is not successful, the GoE has plans in place to limit the destabilizing impacts on Ethiopia. On climate change, Meles said the GoE fully supports the Copenhagen accord, but is disappointed with signs the U.S. may not support his proposed panel to monitor international financial contributions under the accord. Meles made no substantive comment on inquiries regarding the liberalization of banking and telecommunications in Ethiopia. End summary. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/246644

The Ethiopians just want to pressure the president of Somalia to accept the Jubbaland declared state since IGAD is Ethiopias play ground. Somaliland doesn't need much support from Somalia, Since Somalia is not a threat to Somaliland nor is Alshabaab nor is the African union guarded government in Mogadishu. So the Ethiopians are just playing their cards instead of saying we are against the Somali government approach in Kismayo. They go on and on about Somaliland and about their relationship with Somaliland which was the same since 1996. The Ethiopians are never honest about their policies towards Somalia and Somaliland.

^ i am closer to the sultan than wadani i think. Haatu this guy inherited the Sultanship from his father Sultan Abdulqadir ilahaay ha u naxariisto.

Saalax;952727 wrote: Let's face it Somalia is more of a threat to Somaliland, between 1981-1991 Somalia was waging war against the main ethnic group in Somaliland. We have no lost love for Somalia. Any measures to tame them if they try to get out of line again will be welcomed. Somalia might have problems with Somaliland statehood independence , but its not in the interests in our long term interests that Ethiopia becomes more powerful and have hegemony over the horn. You are talking about the short term objectives. In the long term Somalia and Somaliland must defend their economic and political interests together. And should have a common defense policy, Xabashis are not our brothers.

Haatu;952718 wrote: Doc, nothing good ever comes out of Amxaara. Besides no Somali is going to start a war against another Somali after the civil war. Xaaji, do you still have access to that wikileak cable where the Ethiopian FM was talking about the Somalis in the horn? i have few wikileaks meles zenawi talking about the various subclans in jubbaland i have wikileaks cable where Meles zenawi suggested that semi recognition for Somaliland should be considered. Never trust what the Ethiopians say because they are never honest especially the TPLF guys.

But the Ethiopians or the TPLF are not politically honest in here, there is no threat coming from Somalia. So why is this needed. I suppose this has something to do with the IGAD project in Kismayo. Ethiopia has been very neutral on Kismayo affairs. But it would love to see an autonomous jubbaland free out of the influence of the Somali government but they cant say it out loud. So their prime minister says that he would support SL against a Somalia threat. But there is no threat coming from Somalia. Xabashidu balayay hurinayan..

interesting.

A_Khadar;952701 wrote: So if the Isimo don't go, it's under your control. That is you logic? I know you lacking the logic since you're believe SL is a nation.. So who controls ceerigaabo khatumo?

^^ Oodweyne you are right he needs to be dethroned but not just for his outbursts but because he does not even these days represent his sub clan if you compare him to his grandfather Sultan Diiriye the legendary sultan who was a dignified sultan with lots of honer and prestige. But its seems his descendant didn't inherit those great characteristics.

A_Khadar;952695 wrote: Who can reason with you when you believe Somaliland is a sovereign nation? Try again.. If the city is in the hands of Khatumo how come the Khatumo garaads cannot visit it even their part as you claim or where is Ahmed karaash why cant he visit his part of the city. nagadaa dee hadaba.

A_Khadar;952692 wrote: They why you open a thread for Caynte's twit line? Come again mate! Well i was sharing it because this man not that long ago published a long paper on Somalia and Somaliland talks. Not that its statement is needed to help Somaliland. Its just a statement of his.

Guys this is not about helping Somaliland, ayne does not need to help SL , Somaliland helps its self , Somaliland have proved they can help themselves. A khadar hows khatumo doing beryahan other than cleaning

who said he was an caaqil

QansaxMeygaag;952634 wrote: ^^ Who are these characters quoted; someone educate me please... He is the head of the heritage institute based in Somalia and a former journalists of Aljazeera Not that long ago the institute presented a written paper on how they view the SL and Somalia talks

^^ The city is far from divided it has one admin one government one police force one army force. Are you saying Khatumo controls parts of ceerigabo?

^^ By the way inda dhabeye ama suldaan maxammad has spend allot of time in jail cigaal arrested him when he took part of the carte conference he repented for doing that now he is a Somaliland supporter. Although he want to have a good relations with Mogadishu.

^Maybe they want to clean hargeysa to , people need to understand that Somaliland is not against cleaning day its good it shows only that they are patriotic it just shows that the Khatumites in the afternoon after the sl party in ceerigaabo cleaned ceerigaabo wa ariin fiican.

^^ The Sultan didn't say he is going to Mogadishu he said Mogadishu and hargeysa are brothers and we need to sort our our problems and cooperate and be strategic allies.

Xukuumadda Somaliland Oo Jawaab Ka Bixisay Hadalkii Deel-qaafka ahaa ee Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya May 20th, 2013 “Somaliland caadifad kumay dhalan, ninkii yidhaahda caadifad bay ku dhalatayna waa nin xaqiiqada indhaha iska qabanaya” Hargeysa (Somaliland.Org)- Madaxtooyada Somaliland ayaa jawaab adag ka bixisay hadalkii qiimihiisu hooseeyey ee Madaxweynaha maamulka Muqdisho Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud ku yasay shalay madaxbannaanida Somalialnd ee uu ku tilmaamay caadifad waqtigeedii laga soo gudbay. Wasiirka Madaxtooyada Somaliland Md. Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan, ayaa ku tilmaamay dhawaaqaasi ka soo yeedhay Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya mid riyo ah oo ka fog mabda’a gooni-isu-taagga Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland iyo dareenka ay qabaan shacabka reer Somaliland oo ku adag madaxbannaanida dalkooda. “Shacabka reer Somaliland waxay xuska 18-ka May muujiyeen dareenkoodii, waxay la hadleen qof kastoo niyaddiisu hoosaysay ama welwel ku jiray oo u baqayey Somaliland, waxa kale oo ay la hadleen Soomaaliya oo aan weli ka quusan midnimadii, laakiinse dadka reer Somaliland ay muujiyeen in midnimadu ahayd waxay markii hore iyagu ula tageen, markii dambena iyagu go’aansadeen inay la soo noqdaan madaxbannaanidoodii.” “Waxaan leeyahay masuuliyiinta Soomaaliya ee dareenka shacabka Somaliland sida khaldan uga jawaabaya ee caadifadda ku tilmaamay wuxuu kaasi la mid yahay kii hore u dafiray dareenkii reer Somaliland markii 1960-kii la isku daray ee yidhi dadka reer Somaliand waxba loogama baahna ee quudhsaday ee kellifay inay qoriga qaataan, dhiiggooda daadiyan iyo waqtigii dheeraa ee ay u dagaallameen xornimadooda, waxaan hubaa iminka inay u dagaallami donaan jiritaankooda, dhiiggooda, dhaqaalahooda iyo xornimadoodba, waxay hore ula dagaallameen maamulkii Siyaad Barre oo ahaa xilligaa dawladihii Afrika ugu xoogga waynaa. Dadka reer Somaliland dareenkoodu waa kaa ay muujiyeen, Somaliland caadifad kumay dhalan, ninkii yidhaahda caadifad bay ku dhalatayna waa nin xaqiiqada indhaha iska qabanaya. Waxaannu leenahay Somaliland jibbo kumay iman, cidi kumay khasbin ee dareen bulshada ka yimi oo ah mabda’ aasaasi ah inay madaxbannaanaadaan oo aan cid ka noqonayn, haddii ictiraafku inta uu doono gaadhayo, waxaanuna aamisannahay ictiraafku waa himilo qaran, waanuna gaadhi doonnaa annagoo isku duuban sidii aannu himiladayadii hore ee in aannu dalkayaga xorreyno u gaadhnay. Sidaa darteed, nin kasta oo dareenkiisu muujinayo inuu quudhsado madaxbannaanida bulshada reer Somaliland waxaan leeyahay dadkani waa kuwii inay ka sii adkaadaan oo waxbartaan oo ka sii fara badataan oo dhaqaale iyo dawlad ay helaan mooyee aanay waxba ka dhicin,” ayuu yidhi Wasiir Xirsi oo hadal ka jeediyey xalay xaflad Jaamacadda New Generation ku xusaysay dabbaaldegga 18-ka May. Wasiirka madaxtooyaddu waxa uu beesha caalamka ugu baaqay inay ixtiraamaan rabbitaanka shacabka Somaliland, waxaannu yidhi, “Waxaan beesha caalamka u sheegayaa dareenka bulshadayadu waakaa, maaha wax aannu annagu ku khasabnay ee wax ay dooneen ayaanu ku hoggaaminaynaa, kuna shaqaynaynaa oo ugu adeegaynaa. “Waxa kale oo aan leeyahay bulshada reer Somaliland aan dhabar-adaygno oo isku duubnaano, aan u samirno waqtiga, dhallinyarada guud ahaan Somaliland waxaan leeyahay Somaliland waxa loo soo maray dalkan dadaal intaa ka badan, waxa la soo geliyey tacab badan haddii ay tahay xornimadii 1960-kii iyo dib-ula soo noqoshadii xornimadaba,” ayuu hadalkiisa raaciyey Wasiirka Madaxtooyada Somaliland Md. Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan.

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Well thats good the sultan wants the movement of people between Somalia and Somaliland. If the political problems are solved there is no reason for the 2 shacabs in anay waxba wada qabsanin. HAG are always good entrepreneurs and their ideas are always welcome in Somaliland and investment to. Dahabshil and indhodeero and somcable want to invest in Somalia 2.