Moonlight the chaotic state Somalia is in was created by your people this has nothing to do with me , i have never said that i am happy with what is going on in Somalia. Your assertion holds no water its you who is telling me that i should care about Hargeysa rape and not about Mogadishu rape , are you for Somaliland recognition or against. Do you want Somalilanders not to be part of Somalia or to be part of Somalia. Why dont you care about hargeysa rape are they not your people or do feel more closer to the rape victims in Mogadishu?

Maybe because this topic was the highest one at that time, i commented many times on rape issues in hargeysa Somaliland in the woman section u need to stop being so paranoid. U need to understand rape is rape in hargeysa mogadishu gaarisa djibouti , its rape no rape is better than the other and all those who were raped are victims. But why do you want me to comment only on hargeysa rape , and not on Mogadishu. Dont you consider both hargeysa and Mogadishu ur country or only Mogadishu is your country?

Iyagana waan u duceyaa, iyo gabdhaha islaamka oo dhan.

This is very sad i hope the religious people speak up the taboo of rape needs to be broken in the society. And girls should not be ashamed ofcourse they are shamed but still they should talk about these problems.

Thats sad to do you think rape in hargeysa and Mogadishu in qof kala jecelyahay u are very sick person

You are wrong no one mourned their departure good riddance they left, who in his right mind wants to be colonized makes no sense. Actually Somalilanders killed brits in 1850s the first ever white man Killed in the Horn perpetrators were Somalilanders berberaawis. Somaliland does not want something from Britain only to keep good relations like any other country in the world America Australia the Russians u name it. So stop your silly remarks.

How can rape be a culture this is disturbing, allow gabdhaha Somalida ka dhowr kufsi this is very sad.

I have to say Ehtnic Somalilandish people from Kenya are the most Patriotic Somalilanders

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You are really comparing apples to oranges the Sassanid Empire was not entirely a Persian Empire it was an Zoroastrian Empire with different ethnic groups including Assyrians, Egyptians, Himyarites and Persians. Fair point but again the timing was different the Sassanid Empire exited more than 400 years while Adal Empire existed only fore 150 years. So they had more time to develop their political identity. Arab contribution was mainly scholars, and traders. Not true they had both Somali and Arab Sultans some times of both ancestries and mixed The Barkhadle Alliance tied the Mogadishu ruled South with the Zeila ruled North. I dont disagree with this but they still exist as two separate empires Adal didn't have to expand into the South, because that area ruled by a different dynasty was already allied to it. In such a scenario, a simple wedding between a Prince of Zeila with a Princess of Mogadishu could have tied together the north and the south. To be honest, our literary history has been abysmal attention, and such alliances of convenience most likely did happen. You misunderstood me here i meant if Adal won the war against the Abyssinians, they would have moved into the center of Ethiopia and conquer other groups and let other groups assimilate into the Somali culture. I disagree, I think it would have been even stronger, similar to the Turks. I agree it would have been different it would have been stronger because Somalis would have been ruling other groups and would have a more richer culture I disagree, the Somali people expanded through much of East Africa and turned other ethnic groups into Somalis, whom adopted the dominant language, the same would happened in this case. Somalis haven't turned many Ethnic groups into Somalis only small galla groups and bantu groups and smaller rendile groups and Arab communities around the coast if they were exposed to other groups and conquered them it would have have influenced our language if the Somalis won the war in the 16 century this would have been totally different. Italy and Germany were given birth to two decades before the Dervish, it was the perfect time for the establishment of a strong independent state The state mostly operated as a movement although it had a capital and resources and revenues but it was during its existence at war with Britain Italy and Menelik forces. Shared history is shared history You are right shared history is shared history but it was a short period of time if we are talking about forming a political identity in a country the short lived dervish state hasn't really shaped the Somali political identity, it was more an Islamic Somali uprise against the colonialists Most countries in the world never existed in the first place, there comes a process before it actually exists in the first place. Problem is we Somalis never really ruled each other with the exception of the Adal and A.juran Empire the latter had some Arab vassal states under its control. But after their demise. We basically became Somalis who ruled each other in a clannish way adopting the Somali Xeer. LOL, that's actually what Somalis did, however in a ironic twist of fate the Somalization campaign of our ancestors was far more successful than the latter day colonialism practiced by the Europeans, because we actually turned other groups into Somalis, as we expanded further and further in the region. What would have been better is if we emulated the shaky European nation-states by importing a German prince or princess and made them monarchs of our country. The Kingdom of Somalia ruled by an Afar monarchy would bypass the clan-system, and prevent the zero-sum politics so common when a specific individual from clan A or clan B becomes President or PM. At the same time the Afars in their own homeland are not a threat, economically or politically, while they are phenotypically the closest in looks to Somalis in Africa, so it would be easier to create a bond between them and their Somali citizens. If Somalis had created a kingdom and a proper structure of state in much of the Somali peninsula and expanded into other territories and ruled those people. Somalis have Somalisized many groups indigenous people to the Somali peninsula and others but they never ruled the place as a Somali empire , we were more like Somali nomads fighting other shisheeye people and when we defeated them they became basically Somalis. Your last point would have been great the afars are close to Somalis

The bottom line is Kenya favors one tribe against the other tribes that want the seat in kismayo this is very dangerous. The Somali government wanted to organize the conference where a state could have been established. And it wanted first reconciliation in the Jubba regions and than a state to be established. I can understand hassan he also does not want other smaller tribes to be sidelined. And he also first wants to be in control of those regions. Before a federal state can be established hassan is against autonomous states.

MoonLight1;955220 wrote: the SFG's 24/7 concern and energy has been consumed by Jubbaland as if destroying it was the way to it's success. wallee xasan sheekh waa kaga dhagtay Jubbaland. Because its the only region that so far wants to establish a state while the country is still in transition its the only region that has 3 Presidents and the Kenyans are also playing a role in this.

Interesting if this happens than this is a real win for Hassan sheikh and his government I am sure he can pass this motion , but the question what consequences will it have,and how can they sell it.Will the Siere leone troops fill the vacuum?

You are really comparing apples to oranges the Adal Empire was not entirely a Somali Empire it was an Islamic Empire with different ethnic groups including Aderi afar Arabs Shewans and Somalis they overall leaders were Somali/Arabs. But even walashma and adal although it kept relations with other Islamic Empires in the south it didn't share much of a history with the rest of the Somalis. Had Adal Empire won the war they would have expanded into much of the center of Ethiopia. And the Somali political identity would have been totally different than what is today. The Somali language would have been much different that what they speak today.Yes the dervish movement operated all over the Somali peninsula, but the problem here is timing the time the dervish movement was a political Islamic up rise.The dervish movement existed for only 21 years. It shows that Somalis can unite when there are external forces. But they fall back when they are left alone.So the dervish era was a short period of time of the history when compared to the overall Somali history. You are right about the SYL but even their struggle was flawed because their struggle was not based on a country nation like any other country in Africa but more on ethno nationalism to unite the Somalis in the horn under one nation, something that never existed in the first place. Chimera Somali political identity would have been much better if Somalis expanded into other peoples ethnicities territories and ruled over them like Afars oromos Habeshas and nilotic groups. If Somalis were ruling other groups. It would have been much better.

Conquests of Persia by the Muslims did them very well it gave them a new religion also because the founders of that Empire Safavids claimed to be Sayids descendants of Prophet Muhammad. It was that Empire that shaped the modern Iran. But i doubt that they could have been divided like the Kurds with no country no the Iranians they shaped their future like no other they might not be as homogenous as Somalis but they sure are a nation.Somalis have no shared history like the Iranians although Somalis are very similar in all aspects, if you ask a Somali in Ethiopia what does being Somali mean to you you will get a different answer than the Somali in Djibouti or in Somaliland or Kenya's north eastern Province. The Iranian people are very multicultural and all of those cultures were incorporated into the Iranian identity , their different past became their current strength.

Malistar thanks we shall see Jacpher well he does need loyal troops to his government i am talking about ciidanka federaalka Somalia eeh ka amar qaadanaya dawlada. Obviously Ahmed madoobe's troops will not take orders from Hassan. He needs troops that are loyal to his government the Somali government. I know hiiraale has militia and others, but i was also hearing other Somali troops were heading to the place. I am not sure about indhocade and other warlords. Hassan is not a warlord, but as a President he needs territorial control do you agree?

Haatu;955173 wrote: Chimera, I only used it as an example. I really have no clue what type of country Iran is. Xaaji, that was my point. All notion-states go through this phase which we're going through. Read the second and third quotes again. We just have the misfortune of being hundreds of years behind. Safferz, thanks will check it out. You are right the Iranians went through all of that but they are united as people and they all have different origins ancestries but all of them added something of value to the Iranian political identity. The share the same history and a big portion of iran speak the same language. For an iranian if you ask him what does it mean to be an Iranian he can tell you in chapters. And what kind of civilization they had. But ask a Somali what does Somali mean to you ?

The Iranians went through many dimensions and how their national political identity was shaped all of those previous Empires added something of value to their national political construct.I use the term iranian demyon because that is what is they are called now. The medes and the Persians played a significant role int he demise of the Assyrian Empire that subjugated them so they collaborated in the downfall of the Assyrian Empire. And after the fall of the Assyrian Empire the southern Persians introduced the farsi language as they intermixed with the medes and other tribes such as Manneans and Elamites. But you are right the sassanid Empire was the one that shaped the Iranian identity close to what it exist today. The Chinese are a bit complicated but still Somalis are closer to the germanic tribes.

Malistar how many troops does hassan sheikh have in Kismayo who are loyal to his government?

This is hilarious wasiiradi oo u hooyday airboodhki lool:D

Somalis lack state mechanism the state is an alien concept for Somalis, the Somalis clearly still do not understand what a government does, most of the time the state is viewed as something that stands in the way. But some times the leading tribes use the state to screw the opponent tribes.Somalis as people are a nation but not in the political context, but they haven't organized them them selves as a nation Yet. The prominent Independent fighters in the 1940s constructed the Somali national identity that every one who speaks the Somali language is by default a Somali and is part and parcel of the larger Somali political national goals,to unite the Somali race under one state one super state. From Djibouti to Kenya's north eastern province, from Kenyas north eastern province to the awash river. But for Somalis being a Somali is not just enough, because we have never developed a nation state for Somalis , it was an objective. But it was never really part of political past and history. Unlike iranians who had a long past of Empires like the seleucid Empire and the pathian Empire and the sassanid Empire. Somalis have no history like that of the Iranians/Persians.

Xukuumadda Madaxweyne Siilaanyo Oo Sheegtay Inay Turkiga Ka Wada Hadleen In La Soo Horumariyo Wada Hadaladii Ay Somaliland Iyo Somaliya U Balansanaayeen May 26,2013 Hargaysa(Cadceed)Wasiirka Wasaarada arimaha gudaha Somaliland Dr Maxamed Cabdilaahi Cumar oo shalay hor tagay Mudanayaasha Golaha Guurtida, ayaa sheegay inay dawladda Turkiga ka wada hadleen hindise ah in wareega labaad ee wada hadallada Somaliya iyo Somaliland ee Turkiga la qabto badhtamaha bisha June ee fooda inagu soo haysta, taasi oo muujinaysa in xukuumaddu danaynayso in wakhtigoodii laga soo hor-mariyo. Wasiirka wasaarada arimaha dibada Somaliland, waxa uu sheegay in xukuumadda Somaliland ay diyaar u tahay inay wadahadallada la sii wado dawladda Somaliya inkasta oo Madaxwaynaha Somaliya Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud iyo masuuliyiinta dawladiisu ay jabiyeen qodobkii dhigayey in la iska ilaaliyo hadallada xanafta leh. Wasiirka oo arimahaa ka hadlayaana waxa uu yidhi “Waxaanu aqbalsanahay inaanu muddo sagaashan Maalmood gudahood ah aanu isugu nimaadno (dawladda Somaliya) oo aanu ku wadahadalno, waxa kale oo laba maalmood ka hor Hargeysa noogu yimid safiirka dalka Turkiga, waxaanu ka waramay mashaariicda Turkigu halkan ka wado, waxa kale oo uu xukuumadda uga waramayey mashaariic cusub oo xukuumadda Somaliland hore uga dalbatay Turkiga halka ay marayaan, waxa kale oo u gudbinay codsiyo cusub oo xagga horumarka ah in lanaga taageero oo aanu dawladda Turkiga ka dalbanay, markaa hawlaha Turkiga uu halkan ka wado waa kuwo aanu ku faraxsanahay oo waa sidiimeelo dalka ka mid ah biyo loo galin lahaa, xagga Tacliinta ee ay inaga caawinayaan iyo dhanka caafimaadka oo aanu ka dalbanay” Wasiirka khaarajiga Somaliland waxa uu sheegay in safiirka dalka Turkiga ah ay ka wada hadleen in shirka Somaliya iyo Somaliland la qabto bisha June, iskuna raaceen in laga wadahadlo “Marka taa laga yimaado, waxa uu noo sheegay in dawladiisu ay diyaar u tahay marti-galinta wareegii labaad ee wada hadalada labada geesood, waxaanuna isku raacnay in laga tashado in bisha june badhtankeeda ama dhamaadkeeda ay wada hadalladu mar labaad dib u bilaabmaan oo aanu anaga iyo Somaliya ku kulano Turkiga, arintaasi waa arin u baahan in labada dal iyo Turkiguba ku heshiiyaan, laakiin arintan hindise ahaanbaa looga hadlay, aniguna waxaan halkan ka caddaynayaa inaanu danaynayno in wadahadalkaasi sii socdo oo aanu la sii wadno, dawladda Turkiguna waxay soo jeedisay in bisha June badhtankeeda iyo dhamaadkeeda ay ku haboon tahay (wadahadalka labada dhinac) oo wixii iyaga dhankooda ku xidhnaa xaggooda diyaar ka yahay”ayuu yidhi waxaanu intaa ku daray isaga oo ka hadlaya shir qaramada midoobay iyo xukuumadda Somaliland shalay ahaan uga furmi lahaa Hargeysa oo baaqday “Qaramada midoobay waxaanu ka dalbanay sidii wadahadal looga gali lahaa maamulka hawada oo ay ku fashilantay masuuliyadii ka saarnayd, maanta oo ay bisha May tahay 25 (shalay) waxaanu ku balansanayn in saraakiil qaramada midoobay ka socdaoo ka imanayey New-york iyo kuwa Nairobi ee arimahan khuseeyaan, way kala habsaameen oo qof ka mid ah ayaa diyaaradihii ka yimaadeen, markaa shirkii dib ayuu u dhacay, laakiin waxaanu rejaynaynaa in toddobaadkan gudihiisa uu shirkaasi qabsoomo si arintaasi xal loogu heli lahaa.” Cadceednews Hargaysa Source geeska

Ciidan Iyo Gaadhi Tikniko Ah Oo Ka Soo Goostay Kooxda Khaatumo Oo Xalay Isu Soo Dhiibay Ciidanka Qaranka Somaliland. Laascanood(Ramaasnews) May 26, 2013-Taliyaha Ciidanka Qaranka qeybta 12-aad Axmed Hurre Haariye ayaa caddeeyay in xalay abaaro 8:00pm cawaysnimo ay ciidanka qaranka ee fadhigoodu yahay gobolka Sool ay soo gaadheen unug dhawr iyo toban xubnood ah iyo Baabuur Tikniko ah oo ay wateen, kuwaasi oo ka soo goostay kooxda Nabad-diidka ah ee la baxday Khaatumo. Taliyaha Ciidanka qaranka ee Qeybta 12-aad Axmed Hurre Haariye ayaa sheegay inay Unugan iyo baabuurka ay wateenba lagu qaramayn doono ciidanka qaranka. Taliyuhu waxa uu sheegay inay u mahad celinayaan soona dhaweynayaan muwaadiniinta la khalday ee la hubeeyay, waxaanu inta kale ee baaqiga ku sii ahna u soo jeediyay inay wax la qabsadaan walaalahooda Somaliland oo ay iska dhigaan hubka. Mid ka mid ah kooxdan oo halkaasi ka hadlay ayaa ciidanka qaranka ee jiida Sool uga mahad celiyay sida diiran ee loogu soo dhaweeyay duleedka Laascaanood, waxaanu xusay inay ka soo goosteen kooxda Khaatumo ka dib markii ay ka waayeen wax rejo iyo naruuro ah oo ay u hayaan bulshadda.

Laascaanood: Unug Iyo Gaadhi Tikniko Ah Oo Caawa Ka Soo Goostay Kooxda Khaatumo May 25th, 2013 Laascaanood (Somaliland.Org)- Taliyaha Ciidanka Qaranka qeybta 12-aad Axmed Hurre Haariye ayaa caawa shaaca ka qaaday in abaaro 8:00 cawaysnimo ay ciidanka qaranka ee fadhigoodu yahay gobolka Sool ay soo gaadheen unug dhawr iyo toban xubnood ah iyo Baabuur Tikniko ah oo ay wateen, kuwaasi oo ka soo goostay kooxda Nabad-diidka ah ee Khaatumo-seeg. Taliyaha Ciidanka qaranka ee Qeybta 12-aad Axmed Hurre Haariye ayaa sheegay inay Unugtan iyo baabuurka ay wateenba lagu qaramayn doono ciidanka qaranka. Taliyuhu waxa uu sheegay inay u mahad celinayaan soona dhaweynayaan muwaadiniinta la khalday ee la hubeeyay, waxaanu inta kale ee baaqiga ku sii ahna u soo jeediyay inay wax la qabsadaan walaalahooda Somaliland oo ay iska dhigaan hubka. Mid ka mid ah kooxdan oo halkaasi ka hadlay ayaa ciidanka qaranka ee jiida Sool uga mahad celiyay sida ay diiran ee loogu soo dhaweeyay duleedka Laascaanood, waxaanu xusay inay ka soo goosteen kooxda Khaatumo ka dib markii ay ka waayeen wax rajo iyo naruuro ah oo ay u hayaan bulshadda.

War-Deg-Deg Maayirkii Magaalada Buuhoodle Ee Khatumo Cabdicasiis Ducaale Qanbi Oo Hargaysa Ugoostay Maayarkii Khaatumo ee Degmada Buuhoodle Cabdicasiis Ducaale Qanbi ayaa u Goostay Dhinaca Maamulka Somaliland Waxaana Warar Kalshaalenews.com ka Heshay Magaalada Hargaysa ay Sheegayaa Inuu Halkasi Xil uga Doontay dhinaca Somaliland, Waxaana Wararku intaasi ku darayaa inuu Tagitaankiisa ay timid kadib markii Khaatumo uu Khilaaf soo kala dhexgalay.. Dhinaca kale Waxaa isna u Goostay Magaalada Muqdisho Gudoomihii Khaatumo ee Buuhoodle C/raxmaan Khaliid oo isaguna horay uga tagay khaatumo, Waana Masuuliyiintii Ugu Danbaysay ee ka Goostay Khaatumo oo Hargaysa Gaadha oo Xillal ka doonta, mana jiraan wax khaatumo ah oo hada Buuhoodle ka Shaqeeya oo Dhinaca Maamulkood ah, marka laga reebo islaamo iyo carruur yar yar oo wali fikir khaladani uu ku jiro. Ygu danbaytiina maayarkii khaatumo ayaa lagu wadaa inuu warbaahinta somaliland ka hadlo maanta kana warbixinyo sababaha uu khaatumo uga soo goostay, la soco wararka ka soo kordha,