^^ What did hassan accept , Jubbaland the answer is no, they had shaah together , but no result:D

Somaliland mediation thats what it needs a group of elders from Somaliland to make peace between those fighting. Somalia , why does SL need the queen?

Apophis now you sound like a warlord:D

Interesting development we dont know for sure if he was behind it or not.

Chimera there is no dominant force in Somali society they are not running away well maybe they are technically but they are using their fiefdoms to gain leverage fight another day.

Actually there was a compromise a comprehensive peace agreement between the clan militias who opposed cigaal at that time were given a lion share in the cabinet of Cigaal. And by early 1997 full peace was reached. So there was a compromise cigaal didn't control much of sanaag and western burco. Before the agreement Yes SNM and SNA no compromise that one is true

NORF compromise sounds like defeat, no one Somalia accepts that Aydiid versus Ali mahdi no compromise Warlords against each other in Mogadishu no compromise Cabdilahi Yusuf versus ICU no compromise Cabdiqasim vs warlords no compromise Muqaamo vs Yey no compromise Cabdilahi Yusuf versus Jamac cali jamac no compromise Barre hiiraale versus moorgen no compromise Sharif versus Godane no compromise Hassan versus Godane no compromise Hassan versus the autonomous state supporters no compromise

Thats not something new we know that Somalis will never unite because they were never united in history.

Very sad , they should have accepted the reconciliation conference the PM proposed before creating a state.Now you have warlords fighting each other, this what happens when you create a state before reconciling the various tribes and stake holders.

^^ Burahadeer Hassan culusow ba heley dee, way dhamaatay so much we love Somalia:D The sahal camp of Abtigiis and Xiinfaniin http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BkE3n9dFbII" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

Somali warlords battle over key southern port AFPBy Tobin Jones | AFP – This picture released on May 22, 2013 by the Africa Union shows young men sitting fishing on a rocky outcrop near Mogadishu's fish market. At least eight people have been killed in fighting between rival Somali warlords battling for control of the southern port city of Kismayo, witnesses said Saturday. View Photo This picture released on May 22, 2013 by the Africa Union shows young men sitting fishing on a rocky … At least eight people have been killed in fighting between rival Somali warlords battling for control of the southern port city of Kismayo, witnesses said Saturday. Gunmen from the Ras Kamboni militia of former Islamist warlord Ahmed Madobe -- recently self-appointed "president" of the southern Jubaland region -- battled against forces loyal to Iftin Hassan Basto, another leader claiming to be president. Fighting broke out Friday evening, paused overnight, but resumed on Saturday. "Fighting started when soldiers from Ras Kamboni attacked and tried to arrest me," Basto told reporters. "But my men fought back and defended me." Several rival factions claim ownership of Kismayo, a former stronghold of the Al-Qaeda-linked Shebab, where Kenyan troops in an African Union force are now based. Kenyan troops, who invaded Somalia in 2011, back Madobe's control of the strategic and economic hub, but neither the title of "president" nor the region of Jubaland is recognised by the weak central government in Mogadishu. Witnesses said eight people were killed in the clashes, while several wounded people were seen being taken to hospital. "I saw eight dead, three of them civilians, but the toll could be higher as many were wounded," said Mohamed Farey, a witness. "Battles have continued... we can hear heavy fire." Another resident, Jama Bile, said that three of his neighbours had been killed, and two others wounded. "It's chaotic here... people are frightened," Bile told AFP. Jubaland lies in the far south of Somalia and borders both Kenya and Ethiopia, and control is split between multiple forces including clan militia, the Shebab, Kenyan and Ethiopian soldiers. Jubaland joins other semi-autonomous regions of the fractured Horn of Africa nation, including Puntland in the northeast -- which wants autonomy within a federation of states -- and Somaliland in the northwest, which fiercely defends its self-declared independence. Ras Kamboni spokesman Abdinasir Serar insisted his troops were in full control of Kismayo. "We will end the fighting soon, after we arrest those who were preparing for attacks," Serar said. Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, who holds little sway in the port city, said all sides should end the fighting. "We call on both parties to practise restraint," he said in a statement. Kenya's and Somalia's presidents met this week, discussing among other issues Nairobi's role in Jubaland, which has a lucrative charcoal industry, fertile farmland as well as potential off-shore oil and gas deposits. Kenya views the region as a key buffer zone to protect is borders, but in Jubaland, has ended up backing a warlord opposing the central government it is mandated -- and funded by the UN and European Union -- to support.

Somali militias fighting in disputed port city kills five ReutersBy Abdi Sheikh | Reuters – 1 hour 56 minutes ago Somalia's Sheikh Ahmed Madobe, leader of the Ras Kamboni, a pro Mogadishu militia which has fought alongside the Kenyan Defence Forces in southern Somalia, is seen with his troops at the main seaport of Somalia's port city of Kismayu, October 5, 2012. Credit: Reuters/Richard LoughView Photo Somalia's Sheikh Ahmed Madobe, leader of the Ras Kamboni, a pro Mogadishu militia … MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Gunbattles between militia groups in the southern Somalia's Kismayu erupted for a second day on Saturday, residents said, in the heaviest fighting the disputed port city has seen in more than four years. The fighting, the first since several former warlords staked rival claims on the lucrative port and fertile hinterlands in May, has stoked fears among locals of a return to the clan wars that tipped the country into anarchy two decades ago. One resident counted five dead militiamen on Friday. It was not clear if there were casualties from Saturday's fighting. "From my rooftop I can see dozens of men with Ak-47s and their technicals exchanging fire in the streets," shopkeeper Farah Nur said, referring to the machine gun-mounted pick-up trucks commonly used in Somalia. Businesses stayed shut and the streets of Somalia's second biggest city were empty of civilians as mortar blasts rang out. Kismayu was controlled by Islamist al Shabaab until last September when they fled an offensive by Kenyan peacekeeping troops supported by a militia group loyal to a former governor of Kismayu, Ahmed Madobe. A local assembly last month declared Madobe president of the southern Jubaland region, handing him back control of Kismayu. But Somalia's central government in the capital of Mogadishu, which does not view Madobe favourably, said the process was unconstitutional. Within days, three other men had pronounced themselves president, including Barre Hirale, a former warlord and defence minister seen as pro-government. The latest clashes broke out when Madobe's fighters stopped another of the claimants from visiting a hotel were Somalia's defence minister and other officials were meeting. Regional capitals and Western donors are nervous of any reversal of security gains made in Somalia by African Union peacekeepers in the fight against the al Qaeda-linked militants, seen as a threat to stability in east Africa and beyond. How the fate of Kismayu and the Jubaland region is resolved is a litmus test for Somalia as it rebuilds from the ruins of war and cements a fragile peace. Mogadishu insists there is no going back to civil war. But government-led talks over Kismayu are being stymied by the divisive clan politics that plague Somalia. "We hope fighting will cease. Only the man with the most weapons will remain in power," local elder Nur Ibrahim told Reuters by telephone, showing scant hope for a negotiated end. Madobe's apparently close relationship with the Kenyan military has raised tensions between the Mogadishu and Nairobi governments. A Kenyan ally in southern Somalia could provide Nairobi with a welcome buffer along their porous border. On Saturday, Somalia's President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud returned to Mogadishu after talks with Kenya's new leader. The pair have met at least five times since Uhuru Kenyatta's inauguration in early April, aides say. Al Shabaab blamed Kenya for the latest violence. "The resurgence of tribal hostility in Kismayu is a result of the Kenyan invasion of the city and the Kenyan government will be held fully responsible for every drop of blood," Sheikh Xudayfa Abdirahman, a senior al Shabaab official, told Reuters. Al Shabaab wants to impose a strict version of Islamic law on Somalia and has been blamed for many attacks on Kenyan soil.

Burahadeer maybe its good that the kenyans take control no more clanish bloodshed. With out proper reconciliation no effective state can ever be built there

I wonder what xiinfaniin will say its just the Jubbaland troops cleaning the dirt lol.

You totally misunderstood the professor he said tol is good which means your clan , but qabyalaad is bad , but knowing your clan loving them cherishing them supporting them assisting them is not bad thats is tolnimo. But using your clan in a wrong way and try to hurt other is wrong. By the way you should edit that clan names are strictly forbidden to name on here,u can make ur point with out using clan names.

Says the pirate who is preoccupied with Kismayo instead of preparing elections:D

The professor is a Somalilander, and he understand qabil is part of the society, you need to control it and manage it , Koonfurians have a problem with that so they have.4.5 system. But Somalilanders can tell the difference between toll , qabyalaad and all of that.Professor samatar is finally home and he is giving back to his country, he was for to long with ungrateful irresponsible tribalist Koonfurians.How is toll bad , toll is your clan sub clan and your people, who share a common ancestry with and culture , if you embrace it how will it hurt others.He said it is wrong to use your clan to hurt other clans. He made a clear distinction.

Only some linguistic professors believe af maxaatiri has its roots in the may may language , it could be that the grammar is from may may language and even some words. The Somali language as it stands today hasn't been studied as we want it. But i wasn't talking about the language per say. But more about the folklore dances. Dhaanto turned into the most popular Somali folklore dances performed by all Somali speaking people in the horn. Mogadishu has been the mecca of Somalis for a long period of time. But i doubt this will be the case in the future, yes Somali is synonymous with Somalia for now. But imagine if Somali galbeed gets independence Because now its overshadowed by Ethiopia. When that happens i believe Somali will no longer be Synonymous with Somalia.

Mad mullah you are right no one is helping the Somalis in Somali galbeed against Ethiopia. So why should they fight for independence for so long and no one assisting them. And when gained independence should they hand their sovereignty over to others. I see that not happening. The 5 Somali speaking countries can exist separately yet cooperate if needed based on mutual interests. But gone are the days where one country rules the other 4. Also Mad mullah the name Somali does not exclusively belong to those in Somalia. The fundamental Somali culture and Somali traditions are from Somaliland and Somali galbeed, Somali is a cultural/ linguistic identity, but its not a country.

Sidee Moonlight wararki uun baan sheegeyey and i gave my opinion thats all.

Sometimes i think only the legendary mahiga could mediate between those who are in disagreement to bad he is leaving Somalis Next Month officially. Maybe Nickolas kay should play a role.

It seems President hassan is very principled on his stance on Jubbaland that he will not accept the outcome of the conference in Kismayo. He wants to lead the formation of the state, and it has to be created with the blessings of all the indigenous people coordinated led by the SFG. The president still believe his government first needs to control the entire region before a state can be established.

Faahfaahin– Shirkii Xalay dhexmaray Xasan Sheikh iyo Dr. Faroole maxaa sababay inuu burburo Xuquuqda Warka ha la ilaaliyo,hana la joojiyo Xatooyada ama hala xuso meesha laga soo xigtey Nairobi–7 Juun,2013–Puntklandi.com–Kulankii dheeraa ee Xalay dhexmaray Madaxweynaha Dowlada Federaalka ah Xasan Sheikh Maxamuud iyo Madaxweynaha Dowlada Puntland Cabdiraxmaan Sheikh Maxamed ayaa miiska lasoo saarey dhowr arimood oo labada masuul si qodo dheer uga wada hadlayeen. Qodobada laga Wada hadlayay ee miiska saaraa Waxay ahaayeen sidaan hoose Faragelintii lagu sameeyey Dastuurka Federaalka Soomaaliya; hirgelinta heshiiskii ay magaaalda Garowe ku wada saxiixeen Dowladda Federaalka iyo Dowladda Puntland ee March 11, 2013. Maamulka cusub ee loo doortay Jubaland iyo nidaamka Federaalka Soomaaliya Lacagta Shillin Soomaaliga iyo xaaladda dhaqaale ee dalka. Socodsiinta Dib u heshiisiinta Qaran;. Deeqaha ay bixiso Beesha Caalamka sidii loo gaarsiin lahaa gobollada Soomaaliya oo dhan Qodobadaan ayaa Wadahadalka laga bilaabay labada qodob ee ugu Xasaasisan oo kala ah Arimaha Jubaland iyo Waxka badalka lagu sameeyey Dastuurka, Arimaha Jubooyinka ayaa Madaxweyne Faroole soo jeediyey in loo baahan yahay oo kaliya in la raaco wixii lagu heshiiyey ee ku qoran Dastuurka isla markaasna Dowlada federaalka ah kaalinteeda mar walba la tix galiyo, Maadaama Maamulka hada ka dhismey Jubaland iyo hanaankii Geedisocodka lagusoo gaarey dhismaha Jubaland uu ahaa mid ka horeyey Dowlada Federaalka ah, waxaa loo baahnaa in dowlada federaalka ah ay tixgaliso shaqadana waxkasii Wado. Madaxweyne xasan Sheikh wuxuu ka biyo diiday hadalka Madaxweyne Faroole wuxuuna sheegey in Wixii isaga ka horeeyey uusan shaqo ku lahaun, Dalkana uu isagu Madaxweyne ka yahay isla markaasna uu dagsadey istaraatiijiyad cusub, tasoo ah in Gobolada Jubaland uu isagu usoo Magacaabo gudoomiye Gobol, Raga faraha kula jira jubooyinkana ay faraha kala baxaan ama ay la shaqeeyaan Masuulka dowladu usoo Magacawdo, wuxuu kaloo raaciyey in mustaqbalka ay Dowladu qorshaynayso in labada Jubo la israaciyo, Gobolka Gedo uu isna raaco dhinac aBay iyo Bakool. Arintu mara ay halkaas Marayso ayaa waxaa bilowdey Wadahadalo xasaasi ah tasoo keentey inuu Madaxweyne Xasan Sheikh yiraahdo “Anaa Madaxweyne ah, Dastuurkaan wuxuu dhigayo waxaa ka horeeya Waxaan anigu iraahdo waa in la tix galiyaa, Jubooyinkana Maamul lix bilood ah ayaan usoo magacaabayna dhowaan”. Wafdiga Puntland Waxay Madaxweynaha u sheegeen inuu u muuqdo nin nin aan Dastuurkaba soo akhrisan loona baahan yahay in Madaxweynuhu uu akhriyo Dastuurka, markaas ka dib lawada hadlo. Dhinaca kale Dastuurka Wax laga badalay ayaa Madaxweynuhu hadalka kusoo gaabiyey “Dastuurku kumeel gaar ayuu ahaa hadii wax laga badallo waa shaqada Dowlada in la hor mariyo Dastuurka”. Arimuhu markey halkaas marayaan ayaa lagu kala kacay shirkii sidaasna lagu kala tagey. Dublamaasi ka qayb galay kulanka ayaa Puntlandi u sheegey in intii uu Wadahadalku socdey uu Madaxweyne Xasan Sheikh dhowr jeer kulan gooni ah uu la galay lataliyayaashiisa gaarka ah, ka dibna uu hadba shirjka kusoo labanayay, taasoo Wafdiga Puntland u cadeysey in Hadalada Madaxweynaha aysan ahayn kuwo isaga ugaara balse ay jiraan Dad kale oo gadaal kasoo riixaya. Kulankii Xalay(6 Juun,2013) ku dhexmaray Madaxweyne xasan Sheikh iyo Madaxweyne Cabdiraxmaan sheikh wuxuu ahaa mid aad Xasaasi u ah, waxaana la isla gaarey wakhti dambe oo xalay ah, Waxaana halkaas laga dareemayay iney Dowlada Federaalka ah Qadiyadeeda Jubooyinka aysan ahayn mid Dastuuri ah ama nooc Dowladnimo ah balse ay jirto Qadiyad kale. dublamaasi la hadley Puntlandi Xalay shirka ka dib wuxuu yiri “Madaxweynaha Dowlada Federaalka ah wuxuu u muuqdaa Mid uu kursiga ku waayi doono Jubooyinka, taasna waa ula talagal la doonayo in dalka lagu celiyo burbur iyo Dowlad la’aan, waana dareemi karaa meesha lagasoo abaabulayo habdhaqanka noocaan ah.” Sawiradaan hoose waa daqiiqado ka hor intuusan kulanku bilaaban Xalay, markii labada Madaxweyne ay ku kulmeen Hotel Safari Park oo kulanku ka dhacay Puntlandi.com

War deg deg ah: Xasan Culusow oo dagaal Jubbooyinka ka dhan ah iclaamiyay & kulankii Nairobi oo lagu kala tagay aminaaWararka caawa naga soo gaaraya Nairobi ayaa sheegaya in uu baaqday kulan dhex mari lahaa caawa Xasan Culusow iyo Madaxweynaha Jubbaland. Baaqashada ayaa ka timid dhinaca maamulka Jubbaland ka dib markii la helay moowqifka Culusow in aanu waxba iska badalin. Waxaa jiray dabqaad labada nin laga dhex waday hase yeeshee la ogaaday Culusow in aanu diyaar u aheen in uu aqbalo jiritaanka Jubbaland iyasoo horey u sheegay in uu aqbalayo maamulka Jubbaland hase ahaatee iyaguna dhinacooda aqbalaan dowlada. Isbadalka Culusow ayaa yimid wada tashi uu la galay odayaasiisha Xamar kula taliya. Sh Axmed ayaa Nairobi gaaray ka dib markii dowlada Kenya ka shaqeeystay arrinta isku soo dhawaashaha labada dhinac ee Culusow diiday. Madaxweyne Axmed Maxamed ayaa qaatay go’aan ah in uusan la kulmin nin cadaw ku ah shacabka Jubbooyinka iyo rabitaankooda . Intaa ka dib Xasan Culusow ayaa lagu wargaliyay moowqifka Jubbaland iyo in aanu jirin kulan aay la qaadanayaan. Shaqaaqadii maanta ee Kismaayo ayaa la sheegay in Culusow wax ka ogaa isagoo ku bixiyay qarash adag Kismaayana u diray gacanyarahiisa Fiqi iyo canaasiir kale. Dadka yaqaana dhaqanxumada Culusow ayaa saadalinaya in nin kani uusan waxba ula harin ulana hari doonin la dagaalanka Jubbooyinka iyo Gedo. Waxaa la isweeydiinayaa maamulka Axmed Madoobe ma noqon doonaa mid gacan adag ku qabta amaanka deegaanka mise hurada hada ay ku jiraan ayeey sii wadan doonaan.

Will they listen to the prime minister?