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^^ Hatred what hatred , no one hates a clan its all in your head Xiinfaniin:D

The problem is the Jubbaland thing is a clan thing and its being encouraged by the Pirates up north, and since these 2 are exclusive clan states what is left is the federal government since the federal government is not really forming federal states. it takes all representation for one clan to its simple. I believe if there were no clan states in Somalia hassan approach would have been different 2 and when he is going abroad.

Ruled your self well we had our sultans doing the ruling collecting tax from the people and we had sharia law. The ottomans were just giving assistance and that was very much welcome especially in seylac in the early 19 century the same way they were giving assistance to the previous admins there and sultanates walashma and adal. Legitimate case for secession in what world do you live Somaliland was never part of Somalia not before 1884 and not during colonialism.. This guy is telling me he has a case because he ruled his own sub clan this is just hilarious your elders ruled their own sub clan. They didn't even rule the maakhir clan, seriously the buglanders are confused when it comes to history the italians came and gave u protection and ammunition and you attacked the clans in southern galkacyo. Later the Italians deported the sultan and abolished your protectorate treaty. This was not statehood or governance.

What are we discussing here that you ruled your own sub clan Thus you have a rich history lol.

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^^ Its not a photoshop it was jamacada gabiley But if you dont believe me that is your problem.

But we were part of that Empire all the Somalilandish people not buglanders, we produced sultans in those Empires we led it we ruled it. ofcourse its part of our history. Yusuf al kaynun is the maternal grandfather of many tribes of Somaliland and for some tribes he is the paternal grandfather. His sons founded the walahsma dynasty. Even long after the demise of Walashma and adal from the early 1800s the ruler of the Afars the smaller Arab communities Alloow hanaga dhigin karaani taylaani

Reer Borama Oo Aan Maanta U kala Hadhin Soo Dhawaynta Pro.Axmed Ismacil Samatar Borama(Ramaasnews) June05, 2013 - Kumanaan qof oo ka mid ah shacbiga ku dhaqan magaalo madaxda gobolka Awdal ee Boorame, ayaa maanta si diiran ugu soo dhaweeyay gobolkaasi Prof. Axmed Ismaaciil Samatar oo ah aqoonyahan Somaliland u dhashay hase yeeshee aaminsanaa fikirka Soomaali weyn oo u soo hiloobay dalkiisa hooyo ee Somaliland. Dadweynahan oo aad u tiro badnaa ayaa Prof Axmed Ismaaciil iyo weftigii la socday ku soo dhaweeyay oo kaga hortagay duleedka degmadda Dilla ee Gobolka Awdal, waxaanu halkaasi kula hadlay Boqolaal qof oo ku dhawaaqayay hal ku dhigyo ay ka mid ahaayeen “Haybad waxaad ku leedahay dalkaaga Hooyo. Waan sugaynaa waana laguu fadhiyaa waxqabadkaaga” iyo ereyo kale oo macno ahaan kuwaasi la mid ah. Intaasi ka dib waxa Axmed Ismaaciil Samatar loo soo galbiyay dhinaca magaaladda Boorame ee xarunta Gobolka Awdal, waxaanu kumanaankii qof ee soo dhaweeyay uu kala hadlay fagaaraha khayriyadd, waxaanu sheegay inuu si weyn ugu farxay sida loogu soo dhaweeyay dalka gaar ahaan socdaalkan uu maanta ku tagay magaaladda Boorame. Prof. Samatar waxa uu sheegay inaan wax-qabad uu bulshada Somaliland u qabtay aan lagu soo dhaweynayn, hase yeeshee waxa uu tilmaamay inuu wixii imika ka dambeeya ka hawl galayo sidii juhdi adag loogu geli lahaa horumarinta iyo jiritaanka Somaliland. Aqoon yaha n Axmed Ismaaciil waxa uu shacbiga ku dhaqan gobolka Awdal ugu baaqay inay u midoobaan horumarka gobolkooda , isagoo u soo jeediyay inay xukuumadda Somaliland ka gacan siiyaan horusocodka ay la doonayso inay ka fuliso goboladda dalka. Wasiirka Kalluumaysiga iyo Khayraadka Badda Mudane Cabdilaahi Jaamac Cismaan (Geel-jire) oo halkaasi ka hadlay ayaa sheegay in xukuumadda madaxweyne Axmed Siilaanyo ay dalka ugu marti-qaaday Axmed Ismaaciil sidii ay ugu xaqiijin lahayd inuu yahay muwaadin reer Somaliland ah oo aanay cidi ka sheegayn dalkiisa hooyo. Wasiir Cabdilaahi Geel Jire waxa uu xusay inay xukuumaddu doonayso inay ilowsiiyo sidii loogu bahdilay Profosorka dalka Soomaaliya. Waxa kale oo iyaguna halkaasi ka hadlay Wasiirka Beeraha Somaliland Mudane Faarax Cilmi Geedoole, Maayarka Magaaladda Boorame Saleebaan Xasan Xadi iyo qaar ka mid ah madax dhaqameedka bulshadda gobolka Awdal, kuwaasi oo dhammaantood sheegay inay u riyaaqeen socdaalka Aqoon yahan Axmed Ismaaciil ku yimid dalkiisa waxaanay u soo jeediyeen inuu ka shaqeeyo difaaca dalkiisa iyo dadkiisaba.

Somalilanders had their own kingdoms in Zeila much of the awdal region to the south. burco hargeisa Erigavo berbera had 2 separate kingdoms all the way stretching to the south to the hawd area with taxation and governance sharia law this was more than 200 years before the Brits even set foot in Somaliland. And even before that the Somalilanders founded the Walasma kingdom and than Adal Empire.. The Pirates were a small clan sultanate and it started only 4 decades before colonialism. Well thats your issue if you dont recognize colonial boundaries your people do your leaders do and you are part of Somalia you went from an italian protection to an italian colony and than part of Somalia and you are still part of Somalia.

The Sultanate was under Italian protection there was no sovereignty at all I also do not recognize the Ethiopian Somaliland border i wish that Ethiopia falls apart so that the ethnic Somalilandish people unite with their people in Somaliland the land we lost to Ethiopia in the late 40s.

Wixi jiray uun baan sheegey anigu dee maanta wala isku dha dhedhjinaya shalay na Tigraygad u dhiibayseen, markaas maydan toll ahayn:D

^^ But they are not after independence since these people were always part of Somalia with the exception of the Jubbaland territories who were once part of British east Africa and we are already seeing they are leaning towards Kenya more than Somalia. The rest seems to be very well united. Actually there is no difference between Djibouti and Somaliland other than that Djibouti never made a union with Somalia. The other entities who were part of Somalia including Jubbaland never made a union with Somalia. Colonial boundaries are just used to define the statehood boundaries. But what is more important is the aspirations of the people.

Haa laakin maanta la reer bu la sheegeynaya oo wuxu leeyahay aniga u dagaalamaya qadiyadiina:D Soo wax lala yaabo maha Laakin abtigiis wa runta labada dhinac baa arintan beeleysiga waka qaateen faroole dhinicsa bu ka jafaya. remember PL dan ba ugu jirta in loo kalo baxo HAG iyo Sahal. Wa siday raba oo meesha xita la kala kexeyo xassan culusow iyo kooxda gedo . Dhibaatada kale na waxa weye xassan culusow oo isna dhinacisa hadaad madaxweyne Somaliyeed tahay reerkaga wala iska fogeyaa isna arintaas ma samayn.

Abtigiis you are right not that long ago Faroole didn't even consider the community in Somali galbeed Somalis. He considered them people who mastered the Somali language not per say Somalis. And now he wants to be viewed as the protector of the larger tribe.

Read here http://www.shacabkamedia.com/warka/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2165:2-sawir-oo-muujinaya-siyaasada-soomaaliya-inay-isku-hayaan-******-iyo-daaroodqalinkiitooshka-wareega-ee-shacabkamedia&catid=1:warka-gudaha&Itemid=3

He supports Somaliland you should listen to his last interview, he schooled the Somalia interviewer on the Somaliland history and how the union came to existence. its just matter of time he fully joins the SL political society.

Google Somali torture victim who sued former US resident relieved after winning day in court Abukar_Hassan_Ahmed.jpgTorture victim Abukar Hassan Ahmed Tuesday, June 4, 2013 by Andrew Welsh-Huggins COLUMBUS, Ohio — Torture victim Abukar Hassan Ahmed was living in London when he decided several years ago to search again for the man he says crippled him during interrogations in Somalia in the 1980s. It took just a half-hour Internet search in 2005 to locate the former government official then living in Ohio. Ahmed finally got the chance to tell his story in court last week after a federal judge ruled in his favor in a lawsuit against the official, Abdi Aden Magan. “Justice is universal,” Ahmed told The Associated Press after the hearing. Those “who try to torture a human being will be brought to justice anywhere he is. That is my message.” Ahmed, a former human rights advocate in Somalia, alleged in a 2010 lawsuit that the beatings he endured at Magan’s direction make it painful for him to sit and injured his bladder to the point that he is incontinent. He is seeking more than $12 million in damages, though he’s unlikely to ever see the money. Magan is believed to be living in Kenya, where even if he had the funds, he would be out of reach of U.S. courts. Ahmed says the torture occurred when Magan served as investigations chief of the National Security Service of Somalia, a force dubbed the “Black SS” or the “Gestapo of Somalia” because of techniques used to gain confessions from detainees. Magan, who lived for several years in Columbus, didn’t present any evidence to dispute the allegations that he directed subordinates in carrying out human rights abuses under the regime of former dictator Siad Barre, federal judge George Smith ruled in November. Magan declined to comment to the AP when the lawsuit was first filed by the San Francisco-based Center for Justice and Accountability, which has brought a number of similar lawsuits against overseas government officials accused of torture. Magan fought the allegations in court filings for a while but stopped responding to additional court motions last year. His former Columbus attorney said Tuesday that Magan was caring for his sick mother in Kenya. Court documents list Magan as representing himself. An email requesting comment sent to the address listed for Magan on the court docket bounced back. Initially, Magan argued that the lawsuit was filed in the wrong country and too long after the alleged abuse. He also said he was immune from prosecution as long as he was acting within his official capacity and on behalf of the government. The fact that he stopped fighting the case doesn’t outweigh the due process he received, said Kathy Roberts, a Center for Justice and Accountability staff attorney. “When you think about the hundreds and thousands of Somalis who were denied due process under his command and under his rule, then it seems incredibly fair in this case,” she said. “He just simply realized he was going to lose and preferred to lose in absentia.” Ahmed, 67, now legal adviser to the president of Somalia, divides his time between London and Mogadishu, Somalia’s capital. Last year, a federal judge in Virginia ordered the former prime minister of Somalia, Mohamed Ali Samantar, to pay $21 million in compensatory and punitive damages to several members of the minority ***** clan, who said they suffered brutal repression — including torture and mass killings — under the Barre regime. Even though Magan has no money, “these types of suits are important for the victims who are able to have their day in court, tell their story, and have an authority recognize their suffering,” Michael Scharf, a professor of international law at Case Western University in Cleveland, said in an email. ___ Andrew Welsh-Huggins can be reached at http://twitter.com/awhcolumbus.

The man has no problem with the SL flag , he just didn't want shawls and hats do you know how hot it is in gabiley around 14:00

Q&A: Somaliland leader Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo AljazeeraBy Nazanine Moshiri | Aljazeera – 30 minutes ago Q&A: Somaliland leader Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo View Photo Aljazeera - Q&A: Somaliland leader Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo Somaliland, a self-declared republic inside Somalia, celebrated 22 years of "independence" last month. Somalia has recently again called for unity, but Somaliland's leader says his region is doing better than other parts of Somalia. Sitting on the Gulf of Aden, Somaliland is officially regarded as an autonomous region of Somalia. The two were, however, separate until 1960. During a civil war in the 1980s, 40,000 people from Somaliland were killed, and nearly half a million fled. Somaliland, which is more tribally homogeneous than the rest of Somalia, has been striving for international recognition since it broke away in 1991. Al Jazeera's Nazanine Moshiri spoke with Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo, Somaliland's president, about the challenges the area faces. Nazanine Moshiri: President Silanyo, it has been 22 years since Somaliland declared independence, but you still haven’t managed to gain the recognition of the world. Are you any closer 22 years on? Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo: Well, we may not have been recognised, that’s true. We realise recognition is not an easy thing - but the international community engages with us and works with us. It doesn’t mean we are cut off from the international community. On the contrary, we are very well-connected with the international community: they work with us, engage with us. I have just been travelling almost throughout the world, and meeting with governments. Governments and delegations come to us, they have aid programmes here, they support the democratisation programs here, and we deal and co-operate with the world. NM: You refused to go to the recent conference on Somalia in London. Can you tell us why? AS: I would like to say that we have very good historical relations with Britain. And much as we would have liked, it did not become possible for us to go because the London conference was held and chaired for Somalia. The prime minister and the president of Somalia chaired it. After consultations with different parties and different groups, we decided that it was not acceptable to us. We attended many meetings before, where talks were being held for Somalia and Somaliland, but this one was different. NM: A lot of money was pledged at that conference to Somalia. Do you think some of that money should go to Somaliland too? AS: Well, I think the international community has been helping us - we receive a lot of assistance from Europe. Of course we would like to see a commitment as far as development is concerned. NM: On your recent trip to the US, did they promise you they would recognise your statehood? AS: No, they did not tell us they would accept [or] recognise our statehood. They said they would continue their support and development programmes, that they would continue that commitment. NM: What do you think is behind this? The African Union is very clear on this. Do you think that if they give you and your country independence, then many other unstable regions would just flare up? AS: Whatever the reasons maybe, Somaliland and Somalia historically have been two different countries - you know the history of Africa and many other parts of the world. They emerged from the colonial period. As a matter of fact, at the time of independence many countries offered their recognition to Somaliland. But at that time, there was so much enthusiasm to unify all Somali-speaking people in the Horn of Africa, including Somalis in Ethiopia, Somalis in Kenya and Somalis in Djibouti. [unity] was the ambition of young people. But that was not possible, because of the policies of the powers of the world. Eventually the principle was accepted that Somalis in Ethiopia should live as part of Ethiopia. The people of Djibouti have established their own state: it used to be called French Somaliland, and has become independent and accepted by the international community. Those parts which were part of Kenya have remained part of Kenya. So why shouldn't Somaliland, a former protectorate, also be accepted by the international community? After the union with Somalia during Siad Barre’s regime, the type of treatment that has happened to Somaliland [was terrible]. You see the planes now in the middle of town - those were the kinds of planes that were taking of from the airport of Hargeisa and bombarding the population, including women and children, when they went out of Hargeisa to the Ethiopian border. These crimes were committed by the regime and Somaliland has ever since been struggling to become independent. NM: You have talks going on with Somalia brokered by the Turks in Istanbul. Can you tell us how those talks are going? AS: We held talks in Istanbul before, and the talks in Turkey are part of programme by the international community to establish reconciliation between Somalia and Somaliland. We are not against the talks; we accept them as long as they are on equal terms, and we were equally happy about the results. NM: What did you agree on? AS: We agreed to agree to more talks, and to respect each other and continue to co-operate in other ways. NM: But the president of Somalia has been clear: he says he wants to unite Somalia. AS: Well, I think I have been very clear too that we are going to return our independence. We would like to remain friends and co-operate. It is not I who decides, nor my government, but the history of Somaliland decided it will continue to be and has always been a different country.

Wafidigii Ka Socday Dowlada Masar Oo Maanta Kulan La Qaatay Ma’uuliyiin Ka Tirsan Wasaaradda Gaashandhiga Soomaaliya.“Sawirro” Published on June 5, 2013 by Cilmi Waare · No Comments · 638 views Kulankan maanta ay yeesheen mas’uuliyiinta wasaarada Difaaca Soomaaliya iyo wafdiga ka socday Dowladda Masar oo uu hogaaminyayay safiirka Dowlada Masar u fadhiya Soomaaliya ayaa diiradda lagu saaray xirriirka soo jireenka ah ee ka dhaxeeya labada dal ee Soomaaliya iyo Masar. Wasiir ku xigeenka wasaarada Gaashaandhigga Soomaaliya Axmed Maxamuud Maxamed ayaa sheegay in wafdiga ka socda dowlada Masar ay kala hadleen arrimo badan oo la xiriira cilaaqaadka ka dhaxeeya Masar iyo Soomaaliya,iyo wasaaradaha Gaashaandhigga ee labada dal ay iskaga kaashan lahaayeen dhinacyo badan. Sidoo kale safiirka Dowlada Masar u fadhiya Soomaaliya Ayman Magdi oo isna saxaafadda la hadlay ayaa ka warbixiyay waxyaabihii ay kala hadleen Mas’uuliyiiinta wasaaradda Gaashaandhigga Soomaaliya.isagoo sheegay in isaga iyo wafdiga uu hogaaminayo oo saraakiil ciida ay Soomaaliya u yimaaden dib xeryaha ciidamada Soomaaliya,iyo dib u dhiska xaruumaha wasaarada Gaashaandhiga Soomaaliya. Magdi ayaa sheegay in xiriirka u dhaxeeya soomaaliya iyo Masar uu ahaa mid soo jireen ah waligiina uu jir doono. Si kastaba aha haatee wafdigan ka socda dalka Masar oo shalay soo gaaray Magaaladda Muqdisho ayaa waxyaabaha ay usoo gaareen dalka waxaa ka mid ah indha indhayn ay ku sameynayaan xaalada guud ee dalka iyagoo maalinta beri ah la filayo in ay dib ugu laabtaan Dalkooda.

Naxar Nugaaleed;959118 wrote: m teniya was different and didn't the english rule jubaland for a while? How was it different it was a sultunate under italian protection while the rest was an italian colony and after 1924 it all became an italian colony Jubbaland was part of British east Africa and later it was given to the italians If it wasnt given to italy , it would be part of kenya today

^^ A person was just stoned to death by Animals and u are worried about name callings as if that's going to kill these uncivilized creatures.

But Jubbaland and Puntland do not want independence their aspirations is not based on having a separate state . Nor historically they were never different than Somalia, they were always part of Somalia. So this is much about nothing.