^^^ Somaliland has nothing to do with this issue , i dont know who abuuna waraabe is ?

^^ He was in control he chased away much of raskambooni but he was pushed back and later he retreated to his house and let the raskambooni come and than pushed them back again. But raskambooni got reinforcement and assistance from the KDF so they pushed him out eventually. If there were no Kenyans in the game than the conflict would be different. But if Barre joins Alshabaab i dont know if this news is true but than the conflict becomes more complicated. By the way i never said Hiiraale was in control of most of Kismayo where did i say that been ha iga sheegin

^^ They would probably hand him over oday aways he refused to die as a shahiid now there is a chance he might be shipped to Guantanamo bay cuffed and wearing an orange prison jumpsuit. Allow u sahal Aweys

Now its getting interesting when you thought you heard everything you read this.

Kenya might not officially say they are supporting Raskambooni but raskambooni is their ally they spend over a year in the bush together, the Kenyans have the Military hardware to protect ras kambooni. The Kenyans have a dozen of AMX 10P armored military vehicles and well trained soldiers in and around and Kismayo, They control the port and the airport heavily guarded even if barre hiiraale badly hurts raskambooni there will always be reinforcement from Kenyan defense forces. Somalia is diplomatically not ready to confront Kenya you have seen how quiet the SFG was. And calling for the Amisom to be neutral in the conflict the things is hassan culusow does not control the KDF. they take orders from uhurro Kenyatta its a very difficult situation.

puntnomads;965435 wrote: Xaaji That was my point. Those who cry about Kenya actions are wasting their time. Kenya liberated Kismaayo to give to their RK allies who helped them and they don't recognize other militias. I was laughing when Mogadishu said to AMISOM to treat both warring factions equally. Somali political positions may change at the drop of a hat but Kenya position is consistent. Kenya may actually go to the international community saying other militias are trouble makers and in order to restore the peace they have crush the other militias in Kismaayo. The only way the SFG can change something on the ground is if they send troops to Kismayo who hold part of the city i mean the SFG has no presence some are saying hiiiraale militia are SFG. But the SFG does little to support them. Thats why i believe Kenya is going to stay in Somalia for some time now. Also Somalia is doing nothing to lobby for the removal of the Kenyan troops, or call for their replacement. Somalia is to friendly to Kenya hassan the past 8 months visited Kenya 5 times and nothing has changed.

Puntnomads yes for now Kenya has the upper hand because Somalia does not even control its territory. Also for the west Kenya is more important than Somalia, basically the Kenyans are paid to protect their own security. If hassan and Ahmed madoobe could make a deal than the Kenyan influence in Somalia would be minor. But because hassan and axmed madoobe cannot agree. They play a significant role in Somalia and their opinions weighs higher on the international stage. Kenya is actually playing it very smart now and they just recently got involved inside Somalia.

I said it before as long as Kenya is present there Barre cannot hold Kismayo he can create instability chase them around but they will get aided and assisted Militarily by the Kenyans so its a loss cause he will never be able to hold it. No Somali militia can confront Kenya unless you are willing to blow your self up in their Military head quarters Alqaeda style

This was very dumb of the government they arrested aways,, first they made a promise that he was safe but they tricked him, now the remaining leaders of shabaab like roobow will never ever even if he thought coming to xamar.They will not come and he will rather die than come to xamar.

The Amiir even though he allied him self with al Zawahiri, he did that just to get support, from them i doubt he is interested now to liberate Jerusalem. I wonder he will be focused on that he now just wants to annihilate the Amisom forces and carry more attacks against the SFG. I believe he just reorganized Alshabaab, its going through the same process as the Taliban in 2005. Getting rid of the difficult elements with in the movement, than shabaab will be more effective they wont be taking control of much regions but they will try to create havoc. And they will unite their strength all over the country and spare their resources and they will just double their attacks. Because Amisom will not face them as one front but they will be spread all over the place and fight a guerrilla warfare. The same as the Taliban exhausted the American NATO forces, Taliban got rid of the Al qaeda Afghanistan and the useless Arab fighters. Alshabaab is sick and Godane is trying to cure it by getting rid of the likes of ibrahim seylici daahir aways Amriki.

Amiir Godane just got rid of his trusted friend Ibrahim Seylici . Ibrahim Seylici was an explosive genius was the coordinator of all the attacks he was also in charge of the finances .rumors say that Abu mansur and Ibrahim seylici wanted to get rid of Amiir Godane. Godane got rid of Ibrahim seylici he beheaded him. And abu mansuur fled to his tribal home land. Others are saying Amiir Godane and Fuad shangoole are on the same side along with sh cali dhere and right now he has no one is challenging him for the throne he got rid of daahir aways got rid of seylici got rid of abu mansur. Seems Like Godane is the last man standing.

Breathes Qabiil where did i mention Qabiil? and what does that have to do with Qabiil i told you they had their responsibility had they never made that troubled unwise union they could have saved allot of people pain misery war famine.

Xishoodku wa waajib diinta islaamka wax yaalo lugu hadlin ba jira both you and salax. by the way why is this thread back its 5 years old, gabadha miskiinada why u so hadal qaadaysan,

Gaw hadaad ka dartay ma bani hashim baad sheegatay the koonfurians hadanad ahay maxa calankooga kugu raray mise Kenyati baad tahay sida haatu Koley ma tihid Somaliland bani hashim na shaqu isku ma lihidin eeh bal cidad tahay sheego. Dhafoor qiiqi iyo waxaas aniga igu ma baxdo dhafoor qiiqiqu xoogaha way yara mad madowyihin.

Haatu;965303 wrote: 1da Luulyo was the time when Somalis put unity before qabiil, and Soomaaliweyn before petty self-interest. It was a time when the Somali people decided to pursue a different course, a better course. To stop the petty clan wars and work for the betterment of their people and land. The sad incident you are referring to Mr Wiil Cusub was a massacre and a war crime. It was a dark, dark event in Somali history that went against everything that 1da Luulyo stood for. It was an event where Somali might and wealth was used to try an eradicate a group of Somalis, totally against the ideals of 1da Luulyo. I understand you want to make a point but all you all you did was insult the great Somali Independence fathers and particularly the Northern leaders at the time by claiming their actions on 1da Luulyo were responsible for the war crimes carried out by Siyaad which was not the case. Somaliland leaders who made the union the vast majority of Somalilanders believe they were wrong the 1950s Politicians of Somaliland are ofcourse partly responsible because they could have safe guarded Somaliland interest, By not uniting with the Koonfurians but they choose not. First of July is a happy for the Koonfurians its their independence day. But for Somalilanders its a dark day, so the 2 stand and have different beliefs. I believe the Union caused the destruction had the Union never happened maybe total collapse of Somalia could have been avoided. Somaliland destruction in the late 80s could have been avoided.

War anigu Somaliland meelna kumaan qorin , laakin Somaliland threads waan u sameya se kan kama mid ah , adigu laakin Nuunow beryahan caadi uma dhaqantiid , Somaliland wa muqadis ba sheegtey miyadan ka so horjeedin jamhuuriyada Somaliland. Ileen adigu waxad ka mid tahay Koonfurianska. Mise waad is badashay?

War xishooda what is wrong with you guys wax aan laga hadlin baa jira, this is disgusting behavior both of you salax and kan cambuulo la baxay.

Qofkani ma Qof walaan ba adeer maxaad ka sheekeneysa , Somaliland wax lamid ah threadkan kumaan qorin war mala dagaalki Kismayo baad ku khal khashay:D Sidani si maha,,

^^ Where did i mention Somaliland beryahan Somaliland wabaad ku walatay ma is tidhi?

The UN coordinator’s criticism assumes that on the one hand, the federal government has no necessary financial and human resources and capacities to fulfill the six pillar program and on other hand, the international donors are not prepared to provide the timely necessary support. This later assumption on the part of the international community contradicts the public declaration made by the key actors of the international community. Whether the international donor community will put its money where its mouth is or not remains to be seen in not far distant day. Sure, the federal government lacks capacity and resources to fulfill alone the six pillars program. However, the program’s implementation is a precondition for stable government and the preparation of the political election set for in Somalia in 2016 by the international community. The UN Deputy Secretary General Jan Eliasson said on May 7, 2013 at the London Conference on Somalia the following: “The daunting responsibility of the Somali Government is to deliver, among competing priorities, a Constitution and elections in the space of just three years,” It is inconceivable to ask the federal government to focus on constitutional referendum and preparation and conduct of free and fair elections when the sovereignty, territorial integrity, national unity, political independence, government coercive power and representational legitimacy all are contested or in question. The focus of the federal government should be on the completion of the review of the federal provisional constitution, the return of reliable stability in the south central Somalia, on the acceleration of national political and economic integration and unity through national and local institution building, and on a constructive and independent foreign policy. In answering to the questions related to Somaliland and Jubbaland, the former UN coordinator rehearsed the narratives put out by the protagonists of the two areas. The international community recognizes Somalia as one country and the United Nations refused to circulate the letters from Somaliland for being part of Somalia. The time of division of Somalia into Puntland, Somaliland and South Central Somalia has ended. With regard to Somaliland, Mr. Matt Bryden highlighted that Somaliland and Somalia are talking as two parties in dispute despite the federal government represents the interests of the population in the Somaliland regions. His answer suggests a never ending talk, good neighbor’s relation, and legitimization of “separation” between Somaliland regions and Somalia. He makes clear that the authority of Somaliland regions cannot enter into political compromises because of the constraints of the regional constitution while the unconstitutional behavior of Raskamboni Militia under the provisional federal constitution is permissible. The constitutional path for addressing the unsettled federal system of governance in Somalia is clear. The argument of different constitutional interpretations on the issue is for distraction. There are no unconstrained power, conditions and time for the federal government to engage an indefinite talk with the authority of Somaliland regions if it has to conduct a political election in 2016. As in Jubbaland and other parts, there are simmering political and clan conflicts in Somaliland and Puntland. The federal Government must undertake a national census throughout the country in mid-2015. After state collapse, national election is more important than local elections that deepen fragmentation. Without explanation, the former UN coordinator raised the specter of the use of coercive force against Somaliland regions. Since the matter of Somalia is seized by the UN Security Council, it is hard to fathom such an eventuality. Somalia needs individual and collective transformation that fortifies peace, unity, justice, fairness, trust, and prosperity. Actors and participants of the past disastrous failures should contribute to the transformation and should not reconstruct or engender other colossal failures. With regard to Jubbaland, the former UN Coordinator urges the federal government to accept the Jubbaland constitution, political agenda and authority led by Raskamboni Militia and to seek an inclusion of personalities in the declared Regional Authority. This tricky suggestion breaches the national political consensus, the provisions of the Provisional Federal Constitution and undercuts the legitimacy of the federal government. In addition, the role of the Independent Boundaries and Federation is not to settle the dispute over the principles of federalism. The commission’s role is to study the implementation of a federal system based on certain predetermined principles. There are many issues to be completed before the federal parliament appoints the commission. Given the access and connection of the former UN coordinator to the thinking and intelligence of western policy makers for Somalia, the interview reinforces the perception of the international community’s doublespeak on the support to the current “sovereign federal government of Somalia.” This awareness coupled with the lack of significant assistance from the major donors directly to the Federal Government for improving the security situation, building public administration, and starting the delivery of basic social services, prompts a question about the purpose and meaning of the current flares of activities of the international community led by the United States, United Kingdom and United Nations. The Federal Parliament must investigate this issue and inform the public the truth. With reference to Mr. Matt Bryden’s claim that IGAD and African Union are concerned about the appearance of a nontraditional international partner in the region, it seems that there is a collusion of efforts to thwart the glim of hope sparked by the tangible assistance of Turkey and the Organization of Islamic Conference towards Somalia. The membership of Somalia to Africa, Arab and Islamic world is not an option. It is constitutionally and culturally bound membership. Therefore, the argument that Ethiopia and Kenya under the umbrella of IGAD are not happy with the involvement of Turkey in Somalia deserves serious consideration and public awareness. The former UN coordinator suggested that the federal government is failing as all the previous Transitional Federal Governments (TFG) failed. However, he did not mention the fundamental reasons why all TFG failed to establish a stable government. I like to mention here five reasons. First, the TFG lacked ownership of political agenda that responds to the priorities and needs of the Somali people. Second, the aid resources were exclusively and independently managed in Nairobi by donors. Third, IGAD (Ethiopia) managed TFGs as local government entity. Fourth, the international community focused on terrorism, piracy and humanitarian crisis at the expense of statebuilding. Fifth, factional usurpation and abuse of constitution were encouraged and rewarded. Now if international donor-powers entertain the idea of continuing on that path under the cover of “titular sovereign federal government,” then the possibility of failure of the federal government could be real. The New Deal strategy is based on the vision to exit Somalia from the path of permanent failure. The position of the Federal Government on Jubbaland tends to bring Somalis together and to abandon the culture of clan animosity and hatred, factionalism, warlordism, secession, and foreign manipulation. The presence of Kenya forces in the region will be considered as a foreign occupation forces as long as they are operating outside the mandate of the UN Security Council and African Union. The federal government must consistently defend the interests of all Somalis in accordance with the Provisional Federal Constitution and through the national institutions. The leaders of the Somali Federal Government must engage and educate the public for harmony, loyalty to the state and national values. Injustices, mistrusts and grievances should be addressed through effective legal or traditional mechanisms with strong supervision from the higher authority for the purpose of Somalis coming together and of not replacing injustices with injustices. Openness and public mobilization are needed for political unity. Leaders’ words must correspond to their deeds. If one tries to summarize the substance of former UN coordinator’s interview, the federal government should forget Somaliland and Jubbaland and look for imaginary or failure tasks like the preparation of political elections and constitutional referendum in a fragmented society or concentration on Mogadishu and surrounding areas. This kind of suggestion is a trap for another secure national failure.

Somalia: former UN coordinator came down hard on the federal government June 28, 2013 Mareeg.com-In an interview (Somalia: lights and Shadows) published Saturday 22, 2013 in the Kenya Daily Nation, Mr. Matt Bryden, former coordinator of UN Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea, came down hard on the federal government of Somalia (FGS). He lambasted the federal government for “delusional” performance, supported the unconstitutional ‘Jubbaland’ regional state announced in Kismaio with the blessing of Kenya Government, and pitched for the “status quo” of the north western regions of Somalia renamed “Somaliland.” He attributed the failure of the federal government to not meeting the expectations raised by what he described an ambitious six pillar program- the political platform of President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud. The platform mirrors the “New Deal” strategy that promotes nationally owned plan for peacebuilding and statebuiling. As a government of failed state, the new federal government and the international community agreed on the “New Deal” strategy that focuses on five goals: inclusive legitimate politics, security, justice, employment and livelihood, good financial management and delivery of public services. The new comprehensive approach supplants the bottom-up or top-down approaches. In partnership, the international community adopted the slogan: “One voice, one common vision in the support of new Somalia.” Therefore, I think it is an exaggeration to describe the six pillar program ambitious. The international community accepted it as an initial basis for statebuilding process in Somalia- a game changer- which predicates on a substantial international assistance. To their credit, the leaders of the federal government have shown political steadiness, unity and commitment in the face of unimaginable external and domestic pressures and attacks.

^^ Somaliland moved on long time ago , when will Somalia move on and stop fighting over cities since the 90s.

The zack the goverment has no real boots on the ground so it will be only moral support maybe a few militias.i am sure Hiiraale's Militia are not the SFG. For the long run its not good to take sides but it really depends on the situation. Imagine Zack that Barre loses and Madoobe wins and the govt backed Hiiraale, than it will look bad there will be no trust between madoobe and the SFG. Another scenario If they support hiiraale and hiiraale wins than they have a trusted ally in the region but for how long can he stay in power. If they stay neutral than they can mediate but there will be a chance they lose control. All choices the govt takes will have severe repercussions.

Just Analyzing the situation The Zack everything is ok what is the latest?

You are right but dont you think sometimes it smart to support the lesser evil in order to gain control of the region for example if hiiraale takes control of Kismayo he will allow the govt in and to take control of the region. You are right the situation is messed since the govt has no real presence in the region. It will be very difficult its good not to take sides in order to get both groups together and come to a solution but than again this is Somalia. This is not a normal country.