Thats good these men are one of the founding fathers of the rebirth of Somaliland in 1991.But they are not opposed to the talks where does it say they are against the talks mise adiga iska sameystey this does not belong in this thread?

Somalia has had a legitimate government since 2012 and although Islamist insurgents are still active, it is relatively stable. But there is tension between Mogadishu and semi-autonomous regions such as Puntland. The mood in Garowe, capital of Somalia's semi-autonomous region of Puntland, was festive. The crowd had tensely awaited the arrival of leading public dignitaries including the President Abdirahman Mohamed Farole, who delivered a speech. The ceremony was held to mark the completion of 1,200 new dwellings for displaced persons which were built by an international aid organization. Thousands of refugees from war-torn southern Somalia have sought sanctuary in Puntland. New housing in Garowe for refugees who fled the fighting in southern Somalia President Farole arrived punctually. He said a few words of thanks to the aid organization and the donors and then promptly changed the subject. The government in the Somalia capital of Mogadishu was violating the constitution, he maintained. They had been agreement over the creation of a Somalian federal state, but Mogadishu was preventing development in the regions within that federal framework. If Mogadishu did not mend its ways, then the conflict in the country would persist. The president then departed the scene as abruptly as he had arrived. Interpreting the constitution President Abdirahman Mohamed Farole accuses Mogadishu of violating the constitution Civil war broke out in Somalia in 1991 and in parts of the country it is being waged to this day. In the course of the conflict, Puntland became semi-autonomous. It does not, however, wish to cede completely from Somalia, preferring instead to remain part of the country and contribute to its recovery. It is prepared to recognize the authority of the central government of President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, but insists on extensive political space of its own. The authorities in Puntland maintain that Somalia's constitution envisages the creation of new republics within the federal framework. Mogadishu insists that the opposite is true, namely that the constitution puts priority on a strong central government. Cedric Barnes from the International Crisis Group says both sides are in the right under the present provisional constitution. "This problem arose because a number of key questions were left unresolved while the Somali government was being formed," he said. "We are now paying the price for this and the central government and the autonomous regions will now have to sort out the issue," Barnes added. Read more http://www.dw.de/vying-with-somali-government-for-autonomy/a-16941069?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

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I think i watched a movie about this Mukhtaar guy 15 years ago lion of the dessert not a bad movie. He was an islamic fighter the reason he fought was an Italian colonial officer came into a madrassa where he was teaching children the Qur'an and he was disrespected as the Italian colonial officer started throwing some of the holy books of islam on the Ground. I think that was the real turning point for him to wage a jihad. I believe he had less takfiri elements in his struggle unlike the mahdi of sudan ,or the mad mullah of Somaliland.

Ilahaay ha u naxaristo Cumar Mukhtaar geesi bu aha

Ma noogo halkee laga yidha hore umaan maqlin eh and i know allot about the Koonfurian dialects , Tuuladayda wa halka Sugaanta iyo hal abuurka Somali ay ka abuurantay, Somaligina swaxili fara badan ba ku jira marka laga yaaba inad sabixili kalmado badan ka so qadateen ama oromada siba ormada la yidha.

warsamaale;967897 wrote: odaygaan xunduf maba noogo wallee, everyday waa the same topic, somaliland. Wamaxay noogo? Adeer adigu ma oromaad tahay oo afsomaliga ku dhibaya?

They were loosely administrated tribal fiefdoms in both countries but if we go back few centuries ago Much of southern and central and even parts of the north east of Somalia was under A.Juran Kingdom and others were vassals. And in Somaliland much of the north was under Adal Empire including the Harar Emirate it also included much of Djibouti. So clearly they were historically very different, there was never a unified Somali republic only the short lived experiment from 1960 until 1991. Before 1896 there was no Somali state or Somali empire not during the colonial era and certainly not now. Not sure what your argument is

I love it the pirates HAG bay labada dhaban ka dhunkadan markay arkaan the Somalilanders just wonderful, they are terrified . Laakin ha u baqan wanu ka matajinayna waxad uurka ku sidatid. Somalinimo has already being compromised you dont even know it, if you use xabashis to kill your fellow Somalis you have compromised on Somalinimo. If you use Kenyans to destroy the lives of other Somalis you have compromised on Somalinimo. Mala you believe Somalinimo is singing first of July songs in the open but behind the curtains all the time plotting to annihilate each other that is not Somalinimo, Aniguna iftiinka waan ku iifinyaa kooxda budhcad badeedka and their Fitno.

Tillamook;967820 wrote: ^ War anoo burcad ah baa ku leeyahay, Somalia sedex bey idinku qabtaa, weligeedna xabad dhalaaq ah ka ma heleysaan ee bal isku dirka aad naf ka dayanaysid iska yaree! Reer Muqdisho iyo anaga Soomaalinimo, walaaltinimo, iyo wadaninimo ayaa naga dhaxaysa, si kasta oo aan siyaasada iskaga hor imaadno, weligeen Somalia midnimadeeda heshiis baan ku nahay...diid ama ha diidin. Marka topic-gaan aad mar walba dhan ula carareysid sidii qof waalan naga daa....meeshaan waxa kaliya oo looga hadlayey waxay ahayd hadiyada air-controllada oo Mudane Madaxweyne Axmad Shiekh Maxamuud uu ku maslaxayo habraha waalwaalan ee waqooyiga. ee ma ahayn cantarabaqashkaan aad lasoo shir tagtay oo ah isku dirka ummad Soomaaliyeed. Xaaji, step up your game homie! ^^ Somaliya iyada ba la qabaye eh sidee wax u qabi karta Uganda burundi Kenya xabashi marba nin ba guursada oo ka mariya. waliba Somalia waxa kiirieyey kooxda budhcad badeedka iyaga qolka u balaqay inay wadama jaarka oo dhani u so tumasho tagaan. Reer Muqdisho hada waxba ha isku dhedjin waadigi shalay xabashi u so raacay deken dekan ka dhigay dhulkoodi iyo dadkoodi baa'biyey, waadigi ka so mashxaradayey garowe iyo galkacyo. Wadanimo halkay jirta walaaltinimo halkay jirta XIta madaxweynaha Somalia magacisa garan maysid hadana waxad leedahay waan tageersanahay waaliday ka mid tahay:D iyo khiaaliyga aad iska dha dhicinaysid.

^^ The pirates never liked legal documents that not how they roll

Yep you are right thats why the so called Kangaroo parliament is reviewing the constitution and changing left right and thats why the leader of the garowe clan enclave was crying anything can be changed on their side the country did not even have a constitution the past 2 decades with he help of the legendary mahiga they set up a constitutions,Somalia had no control over Somaliland the past 2 decades and counting.

Adiga dee Somaliland waxba laga ma weydio adigu xita Somaliland kula ma sheekeysato, i remember the foolish pirates were trying to suck up to SL when they suggested that they wanted to secede from Somalia only if they come under the SL authority. Waxad noqoteen slaan sidi xanjada raga ku dhaga magacyada slaan na wabaad la baxdan odayadina ba la baxa:D Somalia's unity integrating the pirates into the normal society under Somalia is much more difficult since there is no trust between the HAG elites in Mogadishu and the Pirates in Garowe. This is much more difficult than reaching out to SL Thats why the talks with Somalia and Somaliland are on a dead lock but you would not understand this, walina adiga waxan waxba laga ma wediyo ka lala hadlayo ma tihid kay khusayso na ma tihid. Ki tegey eeh jamhuuriyada sameystey na ma tihid laakin waxad tahay ka marba indhaha labo dhinac u tagaayo:D

The reason i posted it , its because it was a historic constitution which clearly stated the union of the 2 states, Yes the current Somali constitution says the same that Somalia unity is sacrosanct but what does it really mean what can they do can they enforce their laws i doubt it. Somaliland has a constitution to which is the unity and sovreingty of the republic of Somaliland is sacred to. Midna midka kale kama qiimo badna.

^^ Somalia ma ta aad xaabashida u so kaxaysatey oo aad ku dumisay caasimadeedi naga daa dee hadaba Somalia inad uurka ka necebtahay waanu ognahay gaar ahaan reer Muqdisho , wa hada kuwa hogaaminaya dawlada federaalka. Adigu ma tihid kuwa lala hadlayo adiga waxan waxba laga ma weydinayo adigu waxad ka masuul tahay budhcad badeednimada iyo waxyalaha kale eeh aad ku takhasustay eeh aan kheyrka lahayn:D

What other institutions SL just allow an office in their capital which will manage the airspace of Somaiia and Somaliland the air traffic control of both the 2 countries is also agreed that this body will propose a mechanism for equitable revenue-sharing. I think this is a good solution for both sides for now. What other goverment institutions Somalia's leaders cannot even visit Somaliland. This is good for Somaliland Mogadishu could have said we do not want to share the revenues we will manage it but it shows that there was a compromise there. All the other points were not agreed on and i am not expecting remember Somalia suggested to hold talks in either Somalia or Somaliland this was rejected. Somalia wanted their politicians to visit Somaliland this was also rejected. And they wanted to keep the unity of Somalia and Somaliland this was also rejected. So the talks on all the other points were a failure. Laakin kooxda budhcadbeedku ha isku maweeliyaan Somaliland ba no so soctta.

Anigu kooxda budhlayn eeh reer garowe arimaha Somalia iyo Somaliland kala ma hadlo because wax ka khuseyaa baan jirin,shaqo kuma laha wax iyaga xita u taal ba maha. Dowlada Somaliland mar walba waxay la hadlaysa dawlada Somalia wa siday heshisyadu dhigayaan , kooxda budhcad badeedka arimahan wa wax ka weyn oo laga mala hadlo.

^^ You keep asking me what the Constitution says about those who break the constitution i am no expert about Somalia;s constitution now why dont you tell us what it says?

Tillamook;967790 wrote: Xaaji, what does the law of Somalia say about those who try to break that law? I dont know anything about the Law of Somalia, Somaliland cannot break Somalia's laws because Somalia's laws are not Somaliland laws, why dont you tell us what it says.

1. (a) The State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia do hereby unite and shall forever remain united in a new, independent, democratic, unitary republic the name whereof shall the SOMALI REPUBLIC. This is the most important point , something pseudo clan nationalists try to forget , Former Somali republic= Somaliland state Somalia state Somalia state Somalia

Tillamook;967789 wrote: Oo yaa adiga kaala tashanayo, alwaaxyahow? What a non-thinking individual like yourself fails to see is that these talks are merely a formality for Silanyo's cabal to save face with the habro clans by insisting upon many concessions from Xamar to placate their bruised egos, which by all means Xamar will agree to. The Somali Federal Government will simply do almost anything for maslaxada habraha waqooyiga The same Somali federal goverment your clan wants to bring down because it refuses to cooperate with the clan state you support in Kismayo that Somali federal government.Somaliland will talk to the Somali federal government , but you are still not welcome in Somaliland pirates are only welcome in SL prisons. You should read more about the Somalia and Somaliland dialogue and guess when it started last year its a process of building some kind of trust but the 2 countries after 72 hours talking they could not agree on the fundamental conflict. But this does not concern you do not speak for Xamar SL speaks to your HAG overlords.

^^ Adigu you dont say much beryahan other than a smiley you oke mise khatuma banjartay , oo hadal ma jiro lol.

^^ Its not really his fault Somalis cannot be governed Somalis will consider the other Somalis a threat to their existence which gave neighboring countries Kenya Ethiopia so much leverage in Somalia.

The Airspace was handed over from the UN to the SFG now its jointly managed by Somalia and Somaliland. the Sea control/patrol was never under the authority of the UN. There is no point discussing immigration because we dont even know what kind of relations the 2 countries will have that also concerns diplomatic offices trade has been discussed before, aid has been discussed before. These talks are not going any where aslong as the 2 sides cannot agree on the most fundamental conflict between Somalia and Somaliland. I predict the next phase of talks will most likely fail Carafaat ask your self they sat 72 hours and agreed on one point this shows the 2 sides are far apart. I dont see any sort of compromise being made with out international mediation. Inta ka sakow wa shimbiriooy heesa, hees wanaagsan heesa.

Xaaji Xunjuf;964442 wrote: Matt Bryden Oo Si Qoto Dheer Uga Hadlay Wada Hadalada Somaliland & Somaliya Iyo Caqabadaha Soo Waajihi Kara Writen by Qaran News | Published: Jun 26th, 2013 at 10:11 AM Hargeysa(Qaran news)-Mr. Matt Bryden, oo wakhtigan maamula hay’ad cilmi baadhiseed oo ka hawlgasha Geeska Afrika, laguna magacaabo Sahan, ayaa si qoto dheer uga hadlay wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya iyo weliba qodobada caqabada ah ee soo waajihi doona. Matt Bryden, oo sidoo kale aha madaxdii guddigii kormeerka cunaqabataynta Qaramada Midoobay ee Somaliya, ahna khabiir si dhow ula socda arrimaha gobalka Geeska Afrika, ayaa wuxuu waraysi siiyay Wargeyska Daily Nation ee ka soo baxa magaalada Nayrobi ee wadanka Kenya, ku iftiimiyay inay caqabado badani ku gadaamanyihiin wada hadaladaas. Waraysigaas oo uu Mt. Bryden, sidoo kale kaga hadlay xaaladaha dalka Somaliya, ayaa waxa su’aalaha la weydiiyay ka mid ahayd sida uu u arko wada hadalka Hargeysa iyo Muqdisho iyo weliba natiijada uu filan karo inay ka soo bixi karto. “Wada hadalka ay dawladda federaalka Somaliya iyo dawladii ku meelgaadhka ahayd ee ka horeeyay la leeyihiin Somaliland waa talaabo togan. Waa markii u horaysay ee ay dawladda Muqdisho iyo maamulka Hargeysa uu midba midka kale u aqoonsado in ay yihiin dhinacyo uu khilaf dhex yaalo, oo ay jirto wax yaabo ay tahay in ay ka wada hadlaan. Xaqiiqada ah in derbigii la jebiyay oo ay labadii dhinac wada hadlayaan waa horumar aad muhiim u ah. Hase yeeshe aad ayay u adagtahay, khatartii ugu weynayd ee wada hadalladan soo waajahdaana si ayay u soo xoogaysanaysaa oo si aan ku talo gal ahayn u gaadhay heer is-fahmi waa ,kala fogaanshiyo iyo is eedayn ah.” Ayuu yidhi khabiirkani. Isagoo hadalkiisa sii wata wuxuu raaciyay “Sidaa awgeed, aad ayaa ay muhiim u tahay in wada hadaladani ay sii socdaan, oo bilowga ay ku koobnaadaan arimaha farsadamada iyo in la isla eego arrimaha laga midaysan yahay. Waxa ay tahay in ay bilowga isla eegaan qadiyadaha labada dhinac si isku mid ah u khuseeya, sida amniga, hawada, badda, ganacsiga, arrimaha dhaqaalaha iyo isu socodka dadka iyo badeecooyinka. Waxyaabahani waa kuwo imikaba si uun u socda, laakiin waxaa laga dhigi karaa arrimo si rasmi ah la isaga af garto oo ay labada dhinac nidaam u sameeyaan. Marka ay timaado arrimaha siyaasadda ee ka dhexeeya, waxa jira wax ay ku kala qaybsan yihiin labada dhinac. Tusaale ahaan labada dawladoodba waxa ay isu arkaan in ay yihiin kuwo dastuuriyan ay qasab tahay in ay dhowraan shuruucda.” Wuxuu Matt, iftiimiyay inay jiraan laba caqabadood oo wada hadalka saamayn ku leh, kuwaas oo kala ah madaxbanaanida Somaliland iyo midnimada Somaliya. “Somaliland, waxa la xurmaynayaa go’aankii la soo noqoshada madaxbanaanida ee 1991. Dawladda Federaalka Somaliyana, waxay xurmaynaysaa midnimadii dhuleed ee Somaliya, ee ay aqoonsanyihiin Midowga Afrika, Qaramada Midoobay iyo bulshada caalamkuba. Mid kasta oo ka mid ah labadan maamul inuu ka noqdo go’aamadaasi waxka dhigan tahay is-khaarajin siyaasi ah. sidaa awgeed midkoodna ma awoodo in uu ku lug yeesho wada hadal ay ka dhalanayso natiijo aan dan u ahayn oo aanu marka hore ugu sii tashan.” Ugu dambayn, isagoo hadalkiisa soo gunaanadaya wuxuu yidhi “Waxa aan is leeyahay sida keliya ee ay uga wada hadli karaan mustaqbalkooda ugu dambeeyaa waa in ay marka hore natiijadu noqotaa mid furan oo qolo kastaa wax kasta ka filan karto, waayo in si nabdoon loogu heshiiyo midnimadu waxa uun ay ku iman kartaa heshiis labada dhinac ah, laakiin xoog ma’aha.” Geeska Matt bryden was spot on he predicted the outcome precisely, the Question is where to go from here