I do believe he has some sort of legitimacy and he has allot of influence if he can make peace with the SL government and has 600 militia under him with many of his other cousins and Militia leaders. if they consider him a garaad so be it.

Naxar is the guy a self styled garaad lol.

The Zack;969744 wrote: Hadey 600 is dhiibtay that means Khaatumo has much more troops than I thought. 15,000 kale ee aan is dhiibin maxaad ka sameen doontaan? I doubt they have so much Militia i think this was their Militia in southern Sanaag are fully on board the Militia in Tukaraq and Taleex are maybe close to 1500 men roughly. khatumo has not the resources to pay 15.000 soldiers , it has no source of income other than diaspora money. Ever since the SL government made peace in Buhoodle and Xaglatoosiye joined the SL government. There were no clashes any more, the Taleex and Tukaraq were never a threat to Somaliland, they actually formed a buffer between Somaliland and the Garowe clan enclave. In the times of peace u will hear more of these and more Khatumo elders Militia will join Somaliland. Khatumo never had the interests to form a state, but it was more of a bargaining chip for them.

Carafaat;969743 wrote: Xaaji, how could you have missed this important development on the first Inter-Government Organisation in the Horn of Africa. What are you talking about Carafaat what inter government organization

^^ That was already agreed on read the communique of April , by the way there is no need for coastal security, they agreed to fight piracy together and cooperate on security which includes the sea shores of both countries.

Carafaat;969734 wrote: Which sub-clan is that Xaaji. From southern Sanaag Fiqifuliye Axmed karaash sub clan

Gaalkan na muxu aha?

Its not just the militia there was an entire peace agreement signed in fiiqifuliye the Garaad signed the peace treaty for the clan so their Militia was than incorporated into the SL army, there was an SL ministerial delegation there today. Its a good step forward the people of Somaliland stand united very strong.

Burco: Garaaddo, Tikniko, saraakil iyo ciidankii uGu tirade badnaa oo ka soo goostay khaatumo, iyo weftigii uu hogaaminayey wasiirka madaxtooyadu oo ku soo dhoweeyey degaanka fiqi-fuliye (Hadhwanaagnews) Saturday, July 20, 2013 550 Askari oo ka mid ah ciidamadii khaatumo, 13 tikniko ah iyo 8 gaadhii oo waaweyn oo nooca xamuulka qaada h ayaa saaka ku soo wareegay somaliland Burco: Garaaddo, Tikniko, saraakil iyo ciidankii uGu tirade badnaa oo ka soo goostay khaatumo, iyo weftigii uu hogaaminayey wasiirka madaxtooyadu oo ku soo dhoweeyey degaanka fiqi-fuliye. Wefti ballaadhan oo uu hogaminayey wasiirka madaxtooyada Somaliland xirsi cali xaji xasan ayaa saaka Degaanka fiqi fuliye ku soo dhoweeyey 550 Askari oo ka mid ah ciidamadii khaatumo, 13 tikniko ah iyo 8 gaadhii oo waaweyn oo nooca xamuulka qaada h. Weftiga oo habeen hore ka soo baxay hargeysa ayaa xalay u hoyday degaanka beer-weyso oo ka tirsan sanaag bari, waxaana weftigu saaka u kallaheen dhinaca degaankaasi fiqi-fuliye halkaasoo soo dhoweyn ballaadhan ay kala kulmeen weftigu. Weftigan oo ka kooban wasiirka madaxtooyada, wasiirka warfaafinta, wasiirka biyaha, wasiiru dawlaha nabadaynta gobollada bari, iyo taliyaha guud ee ciidanka qaranka ismaciil maxmed shaqalle ayaa degaankaasi kula hadlay ciidanka laxaadka leh ee u soo jihaystay dhinaca nabadda iyo garradadadii hogaaminayey oo ay ka mid ahaaayeen Garaad c/laahi muxumed guled, Chief Caaqil Saleban xasan cali, Chief Caaqil Siciid jamac muxumed, Caaqil c/raxmaan xasan maxmed, Caaqil Xusen axmed Garaad Cabdilaahi Maxamed Guulleed oo ka mid ah isimmadda Beesha deegaankaasi ayaa sheegay inay ku faraxsan yihiin inay maleeshiyadii ugu badnayd ay ku qarameeyeen ciidammadda qaranka Somaliland ka dib wada hadal dheer oo dhex maray xukuumadda isla markaasna ay ka dhalatay is faham buuxa. Garaad Cabdilaahi Maxamed waxa uu intaasi ku daray inay ku qanacsan yihiin Somaliland, isla markaana ay safka hore kaga jiraan bulshadda difaacaysa qaranimadda Somaliland, waxaanu xusay inay dadkooda dhinac ka raacayaan. Garaadku waxa uu u mahad naqay cid kasta oo ka soo shaqaysay hawshan nabadaynta bariga Somaliland oo muuqata bu yidhi mid midho dhashay. Taliyihii watay ciidankan laxaadka leh ayaa isna dhiniciisa heegay inay ku faraxsan yihiin sida Somaliland u soo dhawaysay isla markaana uga midho-dhalisay wada xaajood muddo qaatay oo uu xusay inay la yeesheen xukuumadda Somaliland. isagoo carabka ku adkeeyey a in diyaar u yihiin inay ciidanka qaranka ka mid noqdaan. Wasiirka Madaxtooyadda Somaliland Mudane Xirsi Cali Xaaji Xasan, oo isna ka hadlay madashaasi ayaa bogaadiyay maleeshiyadan ay manta soo dhoweeyeen oo ah tii ugu tiro badnayd ee ka soo goosata kooxaha nabad diidka ah, waxaanu tilmaamay in arrintani ay fursad wanaagsan siinayso dedaaladda xukuumaddu ku doonayso inay nabad waarta ka islaaxiso goboladda bari ee dalka. Wasiirka madaxtooyaddu waxa uu u balan qaaday ciidankan cusubi inay heli doonaan dhammaan xuquuqda ay helaan ciidanka qaranka Somaliland. Waxaanu ku booriyay kooxaha baaqiga ku sii ah kooxhaha nabad diidka ah inay ka faa?iidaystaan fursadda nabada iyo horumarka. Sidoo kalen waxa kulankaasi ka hadlay Wasiirul dawlaha nabadeynta gobolada bari Md. Cali Maxamuud Axmed (Cali Sandulle), Wasiirka Warfaafintaiyo wacyigelinta Md. Cabdilaahi Maxamed Daahir (Cukuse), iyo Taliyaha Ciidanka qaranka Sareeye Gaas Ismaaciil Maxamed Shaqalle. Dhammaantoodba waxay bogaadiyeen ciidankan laxaadka leh ,garaadada iyo taliyaashooda hor kacayey kuwaasoo ay ku tilmaameen geesiyaal go?aan adag qaatay. Waana markii u horeysay ee ciidan, garaado, tikniko iyo gaadiid intan leeg hal mar u soo jihaystaan dhinaca Somaliland, waxaana ciiidankan iyo weftiguba caawa ku soo hoyanayaan magaalada Burco.

Sheekh Reer Somaliland ah Oo Ku Guulaystay Abaalmarin Caalami ah July 19th, 2013 Sucuudiga (Somaliland.Org)-Sheekh Xuseen Nuur Qalinle oo asaasay Xaruunta Imaam Shaadibi ee barashada Quraanka ee Magaaladda Boorama ayaa ku guulaystay abaal marinta caalamiga ah ee Barista quraanka ee dunida islaamka ee sannadkan. Abaal marinta caalamiga ah ee Quraanka Kariimka ah oo sannadkiiba mar ay bixiso Boqortooyada Sucuudiga ayaa waxaa sannadkan ku guulaystay Sheekh Somaliland ka soo jeeda gaar ahaana magaalada Boorama oo Muddo badan ka shaqaynayay barista Tajwiidka Quraanka kariimka. Sheekh Xuseen Nuur Qalinle oo asaasay Xaruunta Imaam Shaadibi ee barashada Quraanka ee Mgaalada Boorama ayaa ku guulaystay abaal marinta caalamiga ah ee Barista quraanka ee dunida islaamka ee sannadkan , waxaana abaal marintaasi lagu guddoonsiiyay Magaalada Jeddah oo lagu qabtay munaasabad caalami ah oo loogu talagalay arrintaasi. Amiir Khaalid Al Faysal oo matalayay boqorka Sucuudiga ayaa abaal marintaasi bixiyay. Sheekh Xuseen Nuur ayaa VOAda uga warramay marxaladaha ay soo martay barashada Tajwiidka Quraanka uu soo maray Somalia, isaga oo tilmaamay inuu arrintaasi gacan wayn ka gaystay Sheekh Cali Suufi oo macalinkiisii ahaa. Somaliland.Org/Hargeysa

Why is there a need for a Church in Mogadishu is it just for the Foreign staff if that is the case than no problem ,but what the constitution says about building churches in Somalia? Bidaartu sibiq sibiq bay raga u gasha,, Gaaladu na sibiq sibiq bay raban inay u so galaan Muslinka. I say let the Somali government be careful who they let in.

Mad_Mullah;969435 wrote: What are Landers going to say though if Xamar comes back to it's original state? They're only card was "Terrorists, civil war, destruction etc." Somalilanders started rebellion in 1980 when Xamar was booming and it had allot of great infrastructure , trust me Landers will continue their path.It has nothing to do whether xamar behaves or not.

Somaliland:In Somalia, ‘foreign hands’ are the sickness and the cure SOMALIA__1521171f At six in the morning on May 15 this year, the self-proclaimed sovereign Republic of Somaliland banned all United Nations flights from landing at this dusty airport overlooking the Gulf of Aden, sparking a little-reported international incident that was defused two months later on Monday. On Tuesday, Reuters revealed excerpts of a confidential United Nations report warning that western oil companies prospecting along the disputed Somalia-Somaliland border could trigger further conflict in this fraught region. In one instance, Somaliland and the adjacent Puntland autonomous region have awarded overlapping prospective oil blocs to the Norwegian oil company DNO and the Swedish owned Africa Oil Corp – raising prospect of two countries, deeply involved in peace-building in Somalia, competing for resource contracts in one of the most unstable places in the world. The UN standoff in the breakaway region of Somaliland, and the leaked report, have tempered enthusiasm around Somalia’s purported return to stability, and suggest that donors could be simultaneously creating and resolving conflict in the region. The history of the Berbera airstrip illustrates the diverse international motives in Somalia. The four km rubber-streaked, asphalt runway was laid by the U.S.S.R in the 1960s, earmarked as a landing strip for American space shuttles in the 1980s as the tide shifted, and looted by raiders in the civil wars of the 1990s, when the military dictatorship of Siad Barre collapsed after 22 years in power. In 1991, the northern region of Somaliland seceded from the union and declared itself an independent state with its capital at Hargeisa. Since then, as the rest of Somalia imploded, Somaliland gradually acquired stability and security, civic infrastructure, regular elections and even a rudimentary tax system but no international recognition. “It is unfortunate that Somaliland’s achievements have become a victim of the Somalia problem,” said Dr. Mohamed Omar, Somaliland’s Foreign Minister, “Every five years there is a renewed interest in Somalia from the international community and … a new administration getting all the international support.” Each time there is relative stability in Somalia, Dr. Omar said, Somaliland’s chances of international recognition recede. The Government of Somalia did not respond to interview requests. “At the moment we recognize Somalia as one country. There has been no discussion about Somaliland being independent within the AU,” said Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, Chairperson of the African Union, last month, “What is important for all of us is that we should get Somalia back to a point where it is stable.” The AU has discouraged secessionist movements, calling on states to respect boundaries drawn at the end of colonialism. The Somaliland government points out that the former British protectorate gained its independence four days before the Italian colony of Somalia. “After becoming independent we decided on a voluntary basis to join [somalia],” said Dr. Omar, “In 1991 we come off from that. So there is no secession, but there is dissolution of a voluntary union.” “Somaliland has done extraordinarily well over the past 22 years, and its skepticism of a reunion with an often chaotic south-central is understandable,” said Abdi Aynte, Director of the Heritage Institute for Policy Studies in Mogadishu, “However, Somaliland’s quest for independence is increasingly becoming untenable and that’s largely due to geopolitics. The AU sees secession as a dynamite issue, and has consistently backed “territorial integrity”, much like the UN and the rest of the world.” The standoff over UN flights suggests donors have struggled to walk Hargeisa-Mogadishu tightrope. When Siad Barre’s regime collapsed in 1991, UNDP took control of Somali airspace and ran an aviation service out of Nairobi that was funded from Somali over-flight fees. In April this year, the organisation handed full control of airspace and over-flight revenues to Mogadishu as an acknowledgment of the improving security situation in the south. Somaliland accused UNDP of colluding with Mogadishu and banned all flights. The ban was lifted only after Somalia and Somaliland agreed to set up a board to jointly control airspace from Hargeisa at the talks held in Ankara last week. The Somaliland press reported that Hargeisa is pushing for Somalia to honor Somaliland commercial contracts, such as those with oil companies mentioned in the Reuters report, but no such clause was mentioned in the final agreement. Talks will resume in October. Source:The Hindu

Why are you fixated with Looks is that important when cooperating, regional cooperation and strategic interests of partnership is not based on Looks. Do we share the same looks and culture and ethnics with the Bantu Nations of Africa why are we part of the African union. By the way Mauritania has brown people the same with Sudan Eritrea has an observer status and it might join in the future. Its all about interest i dont find Arab people interesting or people who have something we need but they are no threat to Somali political and economic interests so why cant we cooperate with them. Many of the countries u listed are not even arabs by ancestry and are Mustacrabs. If you believe Arab league is ineffective and we should withdraw than oke fair enough, but Arabs have a lighter skin or have hairy arms is no reason to cease the cooperation between the league of Arab Nations.

Classified did an Arab Bully you why did you not speak up and Kick him in the face, so we should also not generalize all Arabs we are talking about more than 300 million people. U are absolutely showing that you are inferior to the Arabs why do you need to proof anything to the Arabs why cant you just be your self. And be part of their club even though its useless but its only for political reasons. I never understand the Somalis who preoccupy themselves with Arabs and care for their opinion. Why do you think their opinion matters or those Somalis who believe if you dont love Arabs , u wont enter the gates of Jannah, why cant you guys just act cool

How accurate is this report does Eritrea still support some anti Somali governments and other extremists like Alshabaab. for a country isolated as Eritrea if they still manage to provide assistance and finances to some warlords in Somalia than the sanctions didn't help really.

Eritrea pays warlord to influence Somalia: UN experts ReutersBy Louis Charbonneau | Reuters – Wed, Jul 17, 2013 By Louis Charbonneau UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Eritrea is undermining stability in conflict-ravaged Somalia by paying political agents and a warlord linked to Islamist militants to influence the Mogadishu government, U.N. sanctions experts said in a confidential report. The Eritrean government has long denied playing any negative role in Somalia, saying it has no links to Islamist al Shabaab militants fighting to overthrow the Somali government. It says the U.N. sanctions imposed on it in 2009 for supporting al Shabaab were based on lies and has called for the sanctions to be lifted. The latest annual report by the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea to the Security Council's Somalia/Eritrea sanctions committee casts fresh doubt on Asmara's denials, undermining its case for lifting the sanctions against it. "The Monitoring Group has received numerous reports about the warming of relations between Asmara and Mogadishu, and has obtained evidence of Asmara's control of political agents close to the Somali presidency and some of the individual spoilers," the group said in the report, seen by Reuters. One such operative, the monitors said, is "Eritrean agent of influence Abdi Nur Siad 'Abdi Wal,' ... who is reported to have a close relationship with a senior al Shabaab commander." The monitors describe Abdi Wal as a "warlord." "Abdi Wal is now a close ally of former ARS-Asmara (a Somali Islamist network in Eritrea) leader Zakaria Mohamed Haji Abdi, for whom he provides security in Mogadishu," the monitors said. "He is known to command the allegiance of about 100 fighters in Mogadishu and is involved in contract killings." The monitors said in their report that they have "obtained direct testimonies and concrete evidence of Eritrean support to Abdi Wal and Mohamed Wali Sheikh Ahmed Nuur." The Monitoring Group has reported on Ahmed Nuur in the past, describing him as a "political coordinator for al Shabaab" and a recipient of funds from Eritrea. "A source on the Eritrean payroll in direct contact with Abdi Wal has confirmed that Abdi Wal has admitted in closed-door meetings that he is acting as an agent for the Eritrean government," the group said in its latest report. Eritrea's U.N. mission did not respond to a request for comment. RUSSIAN AND ITALIAN COMPLAINTS The latest report said that Ahmed Nuur, also known as Ugas Mohamed Wali Sheikh, has repeatedly held meetings in Khartoum with Mohamed Mantai, Eritrea's ambassador to Sudan and, since December, Iran. "During these meetings, options for Eritrean financial support to Ahmed Nuur were discussed," the report said. "Mantai, a former military intelligence officer, has a history of operating in Somalia and was expelled from Kenya in 2009 after he returned from Somalia following meetings with al Shabaab agents," the monitors said. In addition to their nearly 500-page report on Somalia and Eritrea, the Monitoring Group produced a separate report of around 80 pages focusing solely on Eritrea. Council diplomats said the longer Somalia/Eritrea report will be made public soon, but the shorter Eritrea report will not be published because of Russian objections. According to a letter the Russian delegation sent to Ambassador Kim Sook, chairman of the Somalia/Eritrea sanctions committee, Russia "objects to the publication of the (Eritrea) report due to the biased and groundless conclusions and recommendations contained in it." Italian Ambassador Cesare Maria Ragaglini also wrote to Kim complaining about the report because of "misleading information and undocumented implications of violations of the arms embargo." Reuters has obtained both letters. According to diplomats familiar with the U.N. monitors' shorter Eritrea report, an Italian helicopter exported to Eritrea for mining survey purposes was seen at a military facility there, raising the possibility of a sanctions breach. The monitors said Italian authorities failed to provide additional information as requested, the diplomats added. Ragaglini dismissed that allegation, saying "we did provide the information they requested (e.g. on financial flows), but there is no evidence whatsoever of military assistance from Italy to sustain the undocumented claims of the experts." China, diplomats say, is annoyed about references in the Eritrea report to Chinese machine tools procured for a large government depot in Eritrea that houses tanks, missiles and dual-use civilian trucks. But the envoys said there was no suggestion the Chinese government was violating U.N. sanctions.

Nuune ya ku yidhi Afro hashimites ka ayaa leh dhaqanka carabta waxaas wa sheekooyinkaagi waxasi wa wax sal iyo raad toona lahayn. Waxay mar walba leeyihin dhaqanka Somaliland. Igu salaan jimankagi kula socday horta may kula afuran.

We do not have Arab culture easy with the Arabization , the Arabs are over protective when it comes to woman they lock their woman up they keep their woman unintelligent ,while Somali woman are much stronger and enjoy freedom education also Somalis do not abuse if one is down or is submissive. Arabs abuse Indians and Pakistanis and other Asians in their Countries. Somalis do understand Arabic Language and many speak it but its not their native tongue. I do believe we share faith with the Arabs and i do not believe they are a threat to Somali culture or interests and religion, but we should not pretend Arab culture equivalent to Islamic culture. All relations are based on cooperation and creating a win win situation for all the regional countries. I still believe Arab league is ineffective and has done absolutely nothing during the Somali civil war. The Western world has done more when it comes to assistance and setting up political frameworks for the Somalis.

nuune;969530 wrote: Xaaji Xeyraan , I think most Arab countries do know and appreciate that iney ku abtirsadaan Somaliland, since most Arab countries came very late while Somaliland was an Arab nation way before Saudi Arabia or even before the people of Xadru-Mawt & Baxrul-Mayyit, si fiican ma u akhrisey the cave writings that depict this hidden history horta intaadan meelaha ordin niyahow. Nuune Carabta iyo reer Somaliland isku ma fiicna kuwaas khudrada xidha hano so dhawayn, wax wanaagi naga ma dhexesyo marka laga reebo reer Kuwait iyo Imaraati. Kuwa kale eeh timaha meel walba ku leh eeh meelaha ragu ka naaxin ka naaxa wax badan isku ma nihin. Somaliland inshallah waxay la xidhanaysa dunida horumaray Ruushka Chinese Japanese Fransiiska Garmalka Ukrain.

nuune;969525 wrote: ^^ Classified, Jacphar is not series in saying that marka ka gudub, what do you want from Somalia anyway? Maybe he wants Somalia to join the European union Djibouti would love to be part of the European union.

Actually Morocco and some of the the other north African countries are majority Berber speaking people even though many of them are of mixed ancestry. How ever the Arab league is a regional organization that upholds Arab values and ethics and culture and protects the Arab political interests across the middle east thats what they want us to belief. Now Somalis do not share much of Arab Values and culture with Arabs some of us prefer to wear Khamiis.But its not our customs what unites the Arabs is a common language and they are cooperating. I believe Somalis should cooperate with the Arabs only if the Arab league becomes an effective organization and it should be based on mutual interests. We could say the Arab league has no real political objective it some how stands still, and Somalia in turmoil right now it could use as much friends as they can. Even though the Arabs sheekadoodu waxa weye qawda maqashi waxna ha u qaban. Somalia is also a member of the African union i believe that is also mainly political not because we love the sub saharan africans nor do we share culture or even religion with them. By the way Djibouti has very close relations with the Arab nations its port is leased by one of the Khaleeji Arab states.

AU is useless to,the European union dictates all what the AU can do and cant do.What do you want really do you want them to be no part of the Arab league maybe they should withdraw from the Arab league and rejoin only when it becomes effective. Nin jiman la socdaan xili ramadaan way adagtay sidanu isku fahano.

nuune;969511 wrote: Mullah, he asked a valid question, if the question bothers you, you don't need to tell us what he will post next time whether it is Niiko or Walansaqo! Xaaji Xeyraan, address the question the poster initiated, no need for political insinuation, even the AU is ineffective and sad, you don't have to be Afro Hashimitte to be an Arab. I believe why is it part of the Arab league because they wanted to cooperate with the Arabs thats why it is part of the Arab league, but its not a real issue or a real problem, i believe Somalia and Djibouti have other problems than to worry about an ineffective Arab regional institute they are part of.

Arab league is ineffective its a real weak regional organization, but its not bad for Somalia to be member of Arab league same with Djibouti, they have nothing to lose really.