Why are you fixated with Looks is that important when cooperating, regional cooperation and strategic interests of partnership is not based on Looks. Do we share the same looks and culture and ethnics with the Bantu Nations of Africa why are we part of the African union. By the way Mauritania has brown people the same with Sudan Eritrea has an observer status and it might join in the future. Its all about interest i dont find Arab people interesting or people who have something we need but they are no threat to Somali political and economic interests so why cant we cooperate with them. Many of the countries u listed are not even arabs by ancestry and are Mustacrabs. If you believe Arab league is ineffective and we should withdraw than oke fair enough, but Arabs have a lighter skin or have hairy arms is no reason to cease the cooperation between the league of Arab Nations.

Classified did an Arab Bully you why did you not speak up and Kick him in the face, so we should also not generalize all Arabs we are talking about more than 300 million people. U are absolutely showing that you are inferior to the Arabs why do you need to proof anything to the Arabs why cant you just be your self. And be part of their club even though its useless but its only for political reasons. I never understand the Somalis who preoccupy themselves with Arabs and care for their opinion. Why do you think their opinion matters or those Somalis who believe if you dont love Arabs , u wont enter the gates of Jannah, why cant you guys just act cool

How accurate is this report does Eritrea still support some anti Somali governments and other extremists like Alshabaab. for a country isolated as Eritrea if they still manage to provide assistance and finances to some warlords in Somalia than the sanctions didn't help really.

Eritrea pays warlord to influence Somalia: UN experts ReutersBy Louis Charbonneau | Reuters – Wed, Jul 17, 2013 By Louis Charbonneau UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Eritrea is undermining stability in conflict-ravaged Somalia by paying political agents and a warlord linked to Islamist militants to influence the Mogadishu government, U.N. sanctions experts said in a confidential report. The Eritrean government has long denied playing any negative role in Somalia, saying it has no links to Islamist al Shabaab militants fighting to overthrow the Somali government. It says the U.N. sanctions imposed on it in 2009 for supporting al Shabaab were based on lies and has called for the sanctions to be lifted. The latest annual report by the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea to the Security Council's Somalia/Eritrea sanctions committee casts fresh doubt on Asmara's denials, undermining its case for lifting the sanctions against it. "The Monitoring Group has received numerous reports about the warming of relations between Asmara and Mogadishu, and has obtained evidence of Asmara's control of political agents close to the Somali presidency and some of the individual spoilers," the group said in the report, seen by Reuters. One such operative, the monitors said, is "Eritrean agent of influence Abdi Nur Siad 'Abdi Wal,' ... who is reported to have a close relationship with a senior al Shabaab commander." The monitors describe Abdi Wal as a "warlord." "Abdi Wal is now a close ally of former ARS-Asmara (a Somali Islamist network in Eritrea) leader Zakaria Mohamed Haji Abdi, for whom he provides security in Mogadishu," the monitors said. "He is known to command the allegiance of about 100 fighters in Mogadishu and is involved in contract killings." The monitors said in their report that they have "obtained direct testimonies and concrete evidence of Eritrean support to Abdi Wal and Mohamed Wali Sheikh Ahmed Nuur." The Monitoring Group has reported on Ahmed Nuur in the past, describing him as a "political coordinator for al Shabaab" and a recipient of funds from Eritrea. "A source on the Eritrean payroll in direct contact with Abdi Wal has confirmed that Abdi Wal has admitted in closed-door meetings that he is acting as an agent for the Eritrean government," the group said in its latest report. Eritrea's U.N. mission did not respond to a request for comment. RUSSIAN AND ITALIAN COMPLAINTS The latest report said that Ahmed Nuur, also known as Ugas Mohamed Wali Sheikh, has repeatedly held meetings in Khartoum with Mohamed Mantai, Eritrea's ambassador to Sudan and, since December, Iran. "During these meetings, options for Eritrean financial support to Ahmed Nuur were discussed," the report said. "Mantai, a former military intelligence officer, has a history of operating in Somalia and was expelled from Kenya in 2009 after he returned from Somalia following meetings with al Shabaab agents," the monitors said. In addition to their nearly 500-page report on Somalia and Eritrea, the Monitoring Group produced a separate report of around 80 pages focusing solely on Eritrea. Council diplomats said the longer Somalia/Eritrea report will be made public soon, but the shorter Eritrea report will not be published because of Russian objections. According to a letter the Russian delegation sent to Ambassador Kim Sook, chairman of the Somalia/Eritrea sanctions committee, Russia "objects to the publication of the (Eritrea) report due to the biased and groundless conclusions and recommendations contained in it." Italian Ambassador Cesare Maria Ragaglini also wrote to Kim complaining about the report because of "misleading information and undocumented implications of violations of the arms embargo." Reuters has obtained both letters. According to diplomats familiar with the U.N. monitors' shorter Eritrea report, an Italian helicopter exported to Eritrea for mining survey purposes was seen at a military facility there, raising the possibility of a sanctions breach. The monitors said Italian authorities failed to provide additional information as requested, the diplomats added. Ragaglini dismissed that allegation, saying "we did provide the information they requested (e.g. on financial flows), but there is no evidence whatsoever of military assistance from Italy to sustain the undocumented claims of the experts." China, diplomats say, is annoyed about references in the Eritrea report to Chinese machine tools procured for a large government depot in Eritrea that houses tanks, missiles and dual-use civilian trucks. But the envoys said there was no suggestion the Chinese government was violating U.N. sanctions.

Nuune ya ku yidhi Afro hashimites ka ayaa leh dhaqanka carabta waxaas wa sheekooyinkaagi waxasi wa wax sal iyo raad toona lahayn. Waxay mar walba leeyihin dhaqanka Somaliland. Igu salaan jimankagi kula socday horta may kula afuran.

We do not have Arab culture easy with the Arabization , the Arabs are over protective when it comes to woman they lock their woman up they keep their woman unintelligent ,while Somali woman are much stronger and enjoy freedom education also Somalis do not abuse if one is down or is submissive. Arabs abuse Indians and Pakistanis and other Asians in their Countries. Somalis do understand Arabic Language and many speak it but its not their native tongue. I do believe we share faith with the Arabs and i do not believe they are a threat to Somali culture or interests and religion, but we should not pretend Arab culture equivalent to Islamic culture. All relations are based on cooperation and creating a win win situation for all the regional countries. I still believe Arab league is ineffective and has done absolutely nothing during the Somali civil war. The Western world has done more when it comes to assistance and setting up political frameworks for the Somalis.

nuune;969530 wrote: Xaaji Xeyraan , I think most Arab countries do know and appreciate that iney ku abtirsadaan Somaliland, since most Arab countries came very late while Somaliland was an Arab nation way before Saudi Arabia or even before the people of Xadru-Mawt & Baxrul-Mayyit, si fiican ma u akhrisey the cave writings that depict this hidden history horta intaadan meelaha ordin niyahow. Nuune Carabta iyo reer Somaliland isku ma fiicna kuwaas khudrada xidha hano so dhawayn, wax wanaagi naga ma dhexesyo marka laga reebo reer Kuwait iyo Imaraati. Kuwa kale eeh timaha meel walba ku leh eeh meelaha ragu ka naaxin ka naaxa wax badan isku ma nihin. Somaliland inshallah waxay la xidhanaysa dunida horumaray Ruushka Chinese Japanese Fransiiska Garmalka Ukrain.

nuune;969525 wrote: ^^ Classified, Jacphar is not series in saying that marka ka gudub, what do you want from Somalia anyway? Maybe he wants Somalia to join the European union Djibouti would love to be part of the European union.

Actually Morocco and some of the the other north African countries are majority Berber speaking people even though many of them are of mixed ancestry. How ever the Arab league is a regional organization that upholds Arab values and ethics and culture and protects the Arab political interests across the middle east thats what they want us to belief. Now Somalis do not share much of Arab Values and culture with Arabs some of us prefer to wear Khamiis.But its not our customs what unites the Arabs is a common language and they are cooperating. I believe Somalis should cooperate with the Arabs only if the Arab league becomes an effective organization and it should be based on mutual interests. We could say the Arab league has no real political objective it some how stands still, and Somalia in turmoil right now it could use as much friends as they can. Even though the Arabs sheekadoodu waxa weye qawda maqashi waxna ha u qaban. Somalia is also a member of the African union i believe that is also mainly political not because we love the sub saharan africans nor do we share culture or even religion with them. By the way Djibouti has very close relations with the Arab nations its port is leased by one of the Khaleeji Arab states.

AU is useless to,the European union dictates all what the AU can do and cant do.What do you want really do you want them to be no part of the Arab league maybe they should withdraw from the Arab league and rejoin only when it becomes effective. Nin jiman la socdaan xili ramadaan way adagtay sidanu isku fahano.

nuune;969511 wrote: Mullah, he asked a valid question, if the question bothers you, you don't need to tell us what he will post next time whether it is Niiko or Walansaqo! Xaaji Xeyraan, address the question the poster initiated, no need for political insinuation, even the AU is ineffective and sad, you don't have to be Afro Hashimitte to be an Arab. I believe why is it part of the Arab league because they wanted to cooperate with the Arabs thats why it is part of the Arab league, but its not a real issue or a real problem, i believe Somalia and Djibouti have other problems than to worry about an ineffective Arab regional institute they are part of.

Arab league is ineffective its a real weak regional organization, but its not bad for Somalia to be member of Arab league same with Djibouti, they have nothing to lose really.

Baashe Somaliland deputy speaker of Parliament said that when the talks fail in the next talks than Most likely countries like Norway and South Africa will mediate. The Guurt deputy was also right he said if the Talks officially fail its in Somaliland interests. " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

Somaliland And Somalia Talks Are At Dead-End I strongly believe that Somalia was in constant pressure from the international community to resolve the Air space issue with Somaliland, otherwise, they wouldn’t have given up the control of their Air space as easy as they did and I also believe that our negotiators have caved in to the tactics of Somalia’s team. I am sure, had they played their cards right, they could have effortlessly come home with the management of our Air Space and without having Somalia strings attached to it. One other reason why Somalia agreed to the joint management of the Air Space could be for the sole benefit of creating ‘Juha’s nail in Somaliland’ as Mr. abdulaziz Al-Mutairi has well explained in his article ‘Somalia Juha’s Nail in Somaliland’. I sincerely believe that Somaliland negotiators are honest and I also have no doubt in my mind that they are patriotic Somalilanders, who are working hard to do their best for their country and people. However, I do not think they were equipped enough to carry the burden of a mission of that importance and magnitude. I honestly think that they were simply punching way above their weights. One simple proof is that they do not comprehend the importance of the terminology they are using. I have watched some members of that team on TV referring Somaliland and Somalia as “Somalia” instead of saying “former Somali Republic”. Once you referred Somaliland as part of former Somalia, you have then lost the game and confused the IC community. As matter of fact, Somaliland was not a part of Somalia, but it was part of the Somali Republic. We must strongly set the record straight and reject the notion that Somaliland is/was apart of Somalia, Because it is wrong and its the sole reason the IC is facilitating the Somaliland and Somalia dialogue. One can argue, the Somalia team is also equally weak. In that case my response will be, we shouldn’t disarm each time we feel our opponent does not have enough weapons to put us to death. Defeating your opponent is the essence of the game and specially when your opponent is as crooked as Somalia is. One other point is, you can not go into any negotiations unless the other party recognizes your existence. How can anyone in his own mind submissively agree to sit and negotiate with someone that hates him/her to the extent that he denies the present and historic facts of his/her existence? For instance, take the Israeli-Arab negotiations, Israel refused to talk directly with the Arabs, including Palestine before the Arabs recognized Israel and our case is not that different. That is just one familiar case, but all negotiations between countries do not commence unless they agree to recognize each other as equals. Recognition of the sovereignty of the Republic of Somaliland should and must be the start of any talks with Somalia. We are not asking Somalia to recognize our De Facto status as it was wrongfully articulated by one member of the Somaliland negotiations team on national TV, because De Facto is our current international status. What we are fighting for is De Jure recognitions and nothing less. That means no more talks with Somalia about observerships seats in the international organizations through Somalia and we should directly apply to the international organization and seek no Somalia permission. Somaliland must consider filing a legal case to recover its rightful membership in the UNO, since Somaliland was the mother-nation of the Somali Republic. We must exert pressure on the UK government both here in the UK and back home to reaffirm our recognition since it was the first country that recognized Somaliland’s sovereignty. Moreover, thousands of Somalilanders fought and died defending the British Empire and now is the time for UK to stand up for Somaliland’s sovereignty and repay Somaliland’s debt. We must take a more aggressive approach in the international media and use everything we can to present our case not only to governments around the world, but also to the regular citizens of all countries. One way of achieving this will be inviting all the other international facilitators of the Somaliland and Somalia dialogue to the next round of talks, so then they can bear witness to Somalia’s procrastinations, which are the cause of the lack of progress in the talks. To achieve this, we need the right people in our team, who will be able to plan ahead and accomplish the mission successfully. Hopefully, the President and incoming Foreign Minister will completely reconfigure the negotiating team and invite seasoned Lawyers, academicians and Somaliland historians to future negotiating team. I would like to suggest few names like Ibrahim Hashi Jama, Ahmed Ismail Samater, Raqia Oomar, Adan Bahnaan, Ret. ambassador Osman Ahmed Hassan and John Drysdale. Prolonging the negotiations is not to the advantage of either Somaliland or Somalia, we are already in Cu l-de-sac and we are adamantly sure that the negotiation will go nowhere. So why waste more time? The longer these negotiations continue Somalilanders will lose more precious time to go on with their lives and Somalia will have more difficulty in creating future sisterly relations with Somaliland. At the same time, Somaliland will not be able to help Somalia achieve peace and stability. Watching Somalia’s blight is very painful and despite all the denials of the current regime in Somalia, the security situation in Somalia is getting worst by the hour and that can not be watched to deteriorate even further. Finally, I understand that both the President and the incoming foreign Minister have more experience and wisdom than I do, but still, I wanted to express my view publicly and I consider this to be part of my civic duty.

Waryaa anigu oday weyn baan ahay i always say the truth when i see something wrong going on.

Garoodi adiguna u need to slow down on generalizing entire communities you are missing the entire point yes aw jamac and his version is far from the truth. The Dervish movement did not care about clan their objective was not achieving clan interest but an Islamic dervish state in the horn. The dervish attacked every clan they saw it was either join them or be attacked so the Garaad clan is no exception they did the same with the maakhir clan the burco clans the hawd clans and so on. You are not trying to correct historic mistakes made by other authors u are just trying to alienate other communities which is wrong and to down play their role in the movement.

I understand the point clearly but i dont see anything wrong with that although his job as an MP is to represent his people and their direct needs but if he tried to help his president and he is loyal and that is what matters when u want to win a presidency u need to have a strong back ground and this guy was that so i dont see anything wrong with that. Haatu African Politics is different than that of Europe and the American congress.

He is a proud Somali Kenyan what he said might be inappropriate but still he is a Proud Kenyan and that is what matters

Mad_Mullah;969417 wrote: Didn't Landers make a camel corp and help the British? Aren't they till this day saying Mad Mullah was a thief, criminal etc. and that the British were protecting them? Do you know in 1901 when the dervishes attacked Jigjiga who were on the side the Menelik forces , who tried to Kill the Mullah and called him a laangaab only his closest cousin and uncle were on his side and let him escape. Actually your greatest poet Qamaan buxlan called him a thief to , The Mullah took Qamaan bulxans most beautiful wife after dagaalki dayuuradaha and they fled to Ethiopia.

Haatu;969410 wrote: I'm still confused as to what Gaaroodi and his SNM brothers' point is. Are they saying the Daraawiish was not a clan movement but a national movement (even though everyone knows this) or are they saying Idaajaa & Co. left out doorkii SNMka in the movement? It was not a national movement it was a religious movement inspired by the Meccan Sheikh of the Saalixiya order Muxammad ibn Salax. Haatu have u ever read the book of Aw jamac he wrote 3 books r read his 3 books and read the seventeen trips through Somaliland and just compare the 2 books. You will be surprised start with his book Taariikhdii daraawiishta iyo Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xasan, 1895-1920. There were so many missing points fabrications of events on who took part of what raid and complete new creations of Khusuusi members. Also from 1909 until 1915 Aw jamac minimized the attacks the Dervishes raided much of the Garaad clan and took their stock. While those attacks were the most deadliest.He also created new fictive members who mere junior members of the Dervish movement. Most of his books and records were 50 years after the dervishes were defeated. If there was an actual Somali source at the time of the wars we could have taken that into consideration but this is not the case.

Anigu talabada oo dhan waan la socda iyo qaabka aad wax u wadid, waliga ba iska dhig nin raba inu wax hagaajiyo hoostaad wax ka qasaysa, musuq masaqa gaaladu qoreen dowlada somalia waxad rabta inad ka faiideysatiid yacni inad goal ka dhalisid baad rabta. Waleh Xaaji Xunjuf il gaar ah bu kugu haya, waan ogahay Somaliland laftigeeda naf uma haysid oo been abuur baad rabta inad ka sameysid. sidad dowlada culusow ba aad u daba dhigatay waan la socona waxyalaha la yaabka leh eeh aad ku dhaqaaqaysid.

Alayaraxma bil ramadan bay geeriyootay

Ma bilawday waxaagi magaca laha.

Ahaa the Dervish history one of my favorite its always good to read the dervish horse riders although the kacaan gave their version, the history books speak for themselves. To bad we dont have actual Somali literature about the dervish movement written in the late 19 century early 20th century. There are a few records in Aden about the early stage of the dervish movement but i yet have to see them its written in Arabic i have been told. There is one book i like though i think garoodi quoted some of it , its called Seventeen Trips Through Somaliland by carlos swayne, i think Aw jamac used this book to as guidance although he gave his clanish twist and illustrated his clan as gladiators at the battle of Fardhadin and beer dhiga. Iskaa daa rag bu rag ka daba geynayey eh