No the fact that some people say Somaliland consists of 5 clans is strange why is maakhir and the garaad clan 2 separate clans, are they not the same clan. No one is going to redraw a map because there are some troubles in some districts. I disagree with wadani i believe the vast majority of the eastern sool and eastern sanaag and the southern Buhoodle district are all on board. But there are some problems, i can predict that Khatumo eventually will merge with Somaliland. The people who live in the country have moved on this is the reality. But people who live outside Somaliland try to emphasize on the differences between the people of Somaliland. Remember people who live in the diaspora have left in the early 1990s at the height of the civil war. I believe the unity of reer SL had been damaged by the repressive regimes of Somalia, who divided the people of Somaliland. Taleexi is not a bad man to he even said that Somalia is divisible so the issue is not Somaliweyn or that he believes the koonfurians are better for the garaad clan. He some how distrusts the middle clan of Somaliland. And that needs to be worked on for the betterment of the nation.

Lol ur mistaking this thread with the thread garoodi made in political section bal dib isu raac http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/72645-Somalilander-Mo-Farah-Conquers-The-Sporting-World-What-is-the-Mo-Farah-Foundation And i edited it would've said edited underneath.

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Somalia the fact that the pirates crowned their own sultan ina Ali ciid for the maakhir clan tells you that Sultan abdisalaan had nothing to do with the pirates for the past 2 decades, halkeed hada ku ogayd suldan abdisalaan.

Yeaah the same man who was in hargeisa for the past 2 decades:D Do you know the where abouts of the Sultan now:D

Hafaaftimo and yube fall directly under Somaliland control There is no garowe clan enclave admin there. its also the seat of the Sultan Ali shires grandson who lives there.

The Zack;973020 wrote: LOL@the title. Just say an I Mo Farah intaad leedahay "SOMALILANDER..". Illeen qabiil umbaaad ka wadaaye.. Good for the fella! Magaca haka haleeyn ninka.. What , this is the title mala waad yara indho la 'adahay Muhammad Farah wins 10,000m title at World Championships in Moscow Who talked about Qabil this is a sports thread. no where does the title of the topic says Somaliland. War ileen inaga wax aragnay.

Xudun dhahar laasqoray ceerigaabo laascaanood are all under Somalilands control Khatumo controls Bocaame and Taleex. While the Buhoodle district is jointly administrated the northern part of the buhoodle district falls under Somaliland while khatumo runs southern Buhoodle up to the ethiopian border.

Facts check for Khatumo State of Somalia- Lasanod Online. Saturday, August 10, 2013 OPINION:- Is it a time for Khatumo to the change the course but not the destination?.. I, for one, wish Khatumo to be independent,self-sustaining, and fully fledged state of Somalia. But those are the ideals and there always lies a discrepancy between the ideals and the facts on the ground. Certainly my wishful thinking and that of the Diaspora that hail from that part of Somalia, will bear no fruitful outcome, if Khatumo’s governing bodies continue to aim at unattainable objectives without the review, and required re-engineering of the plan, the means and resources, the unity, the political and military relationships, and lastly but not the least, a new blood and administration. Mostly, humans are good to play the blame game and count the negatives and rarely point to rational and non-judgmental solutions. As a humanoid, I am not different; so let us start with what went wrong: Cumbersome governing body structure: Feuding Tribal leaders, unqualified and unforgiving administration with 3 presidents that wanted to rule always and at the same time and above all the so called G-executive branch that couldn’t stomach the sharing of the meat of what they perceived as their off-spring. And hence no effective administration and the blundering of limited resources. Creation of total structural enmity against the two border administrations without distinction and strategic thinking. Loss of additional land and districts to the Somaliland administration. No diplomatic successes for tribal unity, or recognition and assistance from today’s internationally recognized but militarily and politically weak Somali government. No value added recognition or assistance from the international non-governmental organizations or foreign governments receptive to Khatuma’s cause. Fragmentation, disunity and lack of total tribal commitment and local material and human resources. Moral degradation of the Diaspora as a result of the above issues and the gradual de-acceleration of the high and quick expectations. We could continue to recite and build the seemingly, un-surmountable mountain of problems facing Khatuma’s survival but the truth is that those notable consequences were not due to the lack of trail though unsystematic. And history tells us that those are common characteristics and mistakes that movements and organizations usually make before arriving at destination. Khatumo is , therefore, neither alone in this boat nor in the channels of history. Before we purpose the semblance of solutions to khatumo’s setbacks, let us check the facts contributing to those issues: Khatumo is land-locked and have no sea-ports or economically functional airports and hence very limited access to any resources of meaningful volume. Mostly of rural and nomadic population with life stock rearing and sale accounting for most of economical and trade activities without the export control and thus compelling a marriage of convenience to the border administrations with the ports. Mostly un-educated populace with limited local and political leaders of stature and the immigration of talented few to foreign countries for sustenance. Naming common fathers as Sool, sanag and cayn without the full recognition of Sanag and Cayn that Khatumo is their legitimate baby. Is it a time to change the direction and attempt to right the ship? I will venture as yes. News is that Khatumo will have a convention soon in Taleex to attempt and aim to develop a better administration to manage and salvage the original mission of the organization. Solution are not always fittingly the opposite course of difficulties but a mixture of reviewing your failures, and planning for your journey and destination including sometimes compromising your principles and taking the route of least resistance: Find a way to reconcile Khatumo’s relationship with Puntland populace, their elders and tribal leader without vacating objectives and paying a lot of credence with the hostile Puntland administration. Somalia is all about political partnerships and Khatumo should seek one. Show Sanaag and Cayn how they became fathers to this baby (Khatumo), expand and seek to share the union. Streamline the management by amalgamating the administration and the Gs’. Abolish the three presidency system. Tribal leaders could remain as separate consultative body. Appoint a semi-permanent local and Diaspora finance committees. The local populace has to be willing to share the financial burden. Appoint a committee to seek a unity among the different tribes. Develop strict financial management system and process. This is not an exhaustive list and working to attain those objectives will certainly require considerable financial backing. It is advocated in here that since charity begins at home, that the local communities should precipitate and contribute greatly to development of the process of determination and the hosting of the up-coming convention. May Allaah guide us to the right path after all we are a community that is looking self-determination and subjugated unjustly.

Carafaat;973065 wrote: So back to the topic of the thread. Which of these districts is controlled by Puntland administration? NON:D 2 sub districts are controlled by Khatumo the rest is under Somaliland.

Hobbesian_Brute;973078 wrote: It can't it be a success if out of the 5 constituent clans at the outset, only one clan is for it now and all others have rejected it. Back to the drawing board. Why are you dividing the Maakhir and the Garaad clan are they not one clan. And lumping the SNM clans as one u do know the SNM clans consist of 8 clans. This myth that Somaliland consist of 5 clans is new to me. Somaliland controls 95% of the former British Somaliland protectorate in my eyes they are all on board from east to west.

Misskin Macruuf , some even call the Turks , Turki Samaale:D http://www.allsanaag.com/index.php/43-war-soomaali-ah/2535-turki-samaale-oo-soomaaliya-kalagoynaya

SNM cease to exist in 1993, after the Borama conference a civilian goverment was elected all inclusive of all regions of Somaliland. Although there were members who supported the SNM like Garaad cabdiqani Garad jamac and Mujahid Fagadhe who was the SNM spokesmen. But Somaliland is older than the SNM fighters.

The Zack;973025 wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL so true! That is why you will never be a "country". Midda kale you have to understand you would have a better luck with this ictiraaf thing if you stopped claiming other people's land. Somaliland is already a country it exists because its people made it work and they are in charge of the Land. Somaliland is not asking for permission from the Koonfurians. They dont claim Somalia the Somaliland goverment only claims what rightfully belongs to Somaliland. And Somalia never made any hints that it would only support parts of Somaliland to break away in their eyes. Somalilanders do not rely on who ever is so called ruling under Arican union troops in Somalia. They are telling them where they are heading and if they dont like it they tell it like it is.

Waligay ba nabad ma didin nabada wa ban tan ugu jecelahay ma maqashayd dagaal ka dhaca dhulalkeena beryahan mayaa, because nabada wa la wada dhawraya qolo walba dhinaceeda.Laakin waxaynu ka wada hadlayene siyaasada khatumo iyo shirarka cuusb waxay so kordhinayaan.

^^ You do know it took Somaliland 22 years to rank its armed forces this was thought of and measured on how it would be done correctly. Its just an insult if you try compare this process with what the warlords down south have been doing.

lol@ boqorka iyo inantisa waryaahee, i dhegeyso si fican banu isku fahmayna eeh waad is didsiinaysa balse wa garta inad is didsisid.

I have to say the pirates are very sharp

Taleexi;972976 wrote: I wished rationality was part of your dictionary. I believe Khatumo one way or another has to deal with and come terms with PL and SL but who are you when you are giving choices what Khatumo should do - If I use the same logic - how many individuals from the subsequent transitional governments of Mogadishu came to Hargeisa, and no one minds their business so, after all, few zealots are milking the secession experimentation while the masses are misguided. Remember, everyone is a part of the main or we are individuals. Taleexi i am not giving choices to Khatumo the have so many choices they have so many options they can even create an autonomous state it all can happen. But do they have the desire to achieve that do they have the will to create such a state. Are the khatumo leadership interested in that. For example khatumo holds a few villages in eastern sool taleex bocaame buurawadal and others. But the Puntland admin comes in and tries to undermine Khatumo. The leadership of Khatumo does little to stop them. Cali sandule is captured when he was touring northern sool he is released after a few hours. i than think how is khatumo going to create a state, when its making such errors. I remember when the SNM clans were rastafarians in the 80s and they were fighting the siad bare regime. if they captured a person working for the regime they either used to convert him to SNM or they used to torture him or they would kill him, to send a message. It doesn't mater if he belonged to the clan or not, he was working for the enemy. Taleexi the so called members working for the previous TFG if they want to come to Somaliland they have to ask for forgiveness and repent. These guys hold no power but how can u compare the powerless TFG officials with the powerful garaad clan officials who are part of Somaliland government The powerless TFG officials of the past could not enforce their law they have been humiliated jailed and deported from Somaliland

Haatu;972972 wrote: The Mogadishu government is sadly just that, a Mogadishu Government. Is SNM/Somaliland want independence, I say go idinka iyo Ilaaheygiin but don't claim other clan's territory as part of your clan project. I genuinely wouldn't like it and would advice you lot to stay as you are until a proper Somali government comes and then make a deal with them as I don't believe Independence will solve anything but if you guys seriously believe that is the best way forward then goodbye and good luck, but just stick to your lands. First of all no one is claiming any land Somaliland rules the regions it rules because the people of those region are in agreement.I believe in post civil war that no clan could occupy another clan. When Khatumites say we are occupied they are not telling the whole truth, in and around sool there are close to 5000 troops well trained and 90% of them are of the Garaad clan. I believe how can there be so many troops in post civil war be one the enemy side or the occupying force.If Somaliland was a clan state how is it a possible a clan can occupy another clan. This never happened between the SNM clans and the garaad clans and they lived in the region for centuries together.

Taleexi Khatumo leaders need to convince their masses that being part of Somalia is better for the garaad clan than being part of Somaliland. I mean how hard is that if they can convince the garaad clan that being part of Mogadishu is better and will bring prosperity. I believe they can convince the rest of Somaliland to. Somaliland is not holding sool at a gun point, if that was the case when Khatumo Militia captured Ali sandule the current Minister for SL on eastern affairs they released him with in 6 hours. Why was that either khatumo does not want to convince their population or they just just like the current status. Or they are not honest that they are opposed to Somaliland.

Taleexi your last point is good so khatumo needs to fix her own house for her to create a state. Yes it is true that SL people want recognition, but remember the recognition demand is not asked because they believe it will fix SL from wit in or it will make SL a viable strong state. But because they believe they have done everything to be a recognized state. Where as the Khatumites seem to be more that they are looking for a miracle to come from Mogadishu. U have tight your aspirations to others , but if u have a khatumite state you can do what ever u like. The pirates next to you seem to have created a state for themselves and they are like if Mogadishu wants to come in terms with us we will work with them. I think the Khatumites can learn a few things from the Pirates.

No they are new one. The Suldaan was unhappy because he believed the ranking was not being done efficiently