Homunculus;987092 wrote: Looking back at Turkey's history the last thing they would want is fostering the divide of Somalia.They are a traditionalist country that prefers central authority as evidenced by their unwavering support of the government of Mogadishu. I also find the tone of the article reminiscent of the "children of the queen" line that Somaliland embarrassingly floated trying to gain independence. Ofcourse they are not ,but i believe they are trying to reach every inch of East Africa with their neo ottomanism and are also engaging with Somaliland. The man in the article never said they would support Somaliland quest for statehood , but they still would be closely cooperating with Somaliland, which is in their own interest to.

Gar_maqaate;987090 wrote: Making derogatory and disparaging remarks about Somalia in a futile attempt to divide the Somali the people, whilst advocating for the historical connections and brotherly relations with a foriegn and distant country will not advance your insanitary policy. No one is dividing the Somali speaking people they are already divided from the very beginning.

Explicitly, Somaliland and Somalia are far from one another simply because Somalia yet is difficult to arrive and hugely divided into regions and clans where Somaliland was rebuilt through political consensus and upon the agreement of the various inhabitants. Notably it is the time the international community included the Turkish government should fully aware of that the dream of the greater Somalia or merger had instantly failed and Somaliland revoked this merger through consent decisions as well as public referendum that 97% delivered a clear message to phantom union of Somalia and international community in general. through consent decisions as well as public referendum that 97% delivered a clear message to phantom union of Somalia and international community in general. t2 3. Somaliland – Turkey Relations are in Progress The most recent trip of the president of Republic of Somaliland in Turkey has marked both sides enthusiasm for future strategic collaboration, since March 2013 the Somaliland –Turkish relations incredibly moved forward and attained to lay the profound amicable ties. Furthermore , the last visit of the Somaliland President on October -2013 has further examined creating in depth diplomatic and economic relations whereby first diplomatic exchange to be charted to transpire opening bilateral Offices both Ankara and Hargeysa and the features of these Offices can be akin in Ethiopia and Demark. In this essence if Turkish wants talks to succeed, further pressure on Somalia side is extremely required, because Somalia leaders are either inconsistent or incapable to illustrate what is workable in the long run and the will and aspirations of the people of Somaliland is nonnegotiable. In this Case, Somaliland is demanding Turkish and international community as whole to bring leaders of Somalia realistic and competent to take two states way out which is the possible option and the only option for both sides. Eventually, most Somaliland people welcomed this encouraging move of Somaliland –Turkish relations and people of Somaliland have also some reservations about this embryonic relationship between two sides. Noting that most Muslim countries indifferently misunderstood issues on Somaliland and Somalia as the previous union and what is the basis of Somaliland’s withdrawal from that union, so this anticipated propensity of many Muslim countries are either influenced by some myopic view or lack of comprehensive historical background about two nation entities. Furthermore, reviving these historical ties between Somaliland and Turkey dependence on how Turkish leaders appear resuming new paradigm on political and trade relations, Somaliland sought to have a superpower like Turkey who keeps two state mutual interests and bring the international concentration buoyant considering what people of Somaliland decided. saylac mosque Zayla Mosque built during Ottoman Empire The legacy of the Ottoman Empire in Somaliland can be a historical connection with Turkish strategic milestone in the Republic of Somaliland. Moreover, currently the history of Ottoman Empire was eliminated by the successive European colonizers included British, French and Italy, hence, reiterating and renewal of this backdrop demands holistic strategic relationship which is sensible and coherent. 4. Conclusion As far as historians are concerned the Republic of Somaliland has had a brilliant Archeological Artifact history, regarding the caves painted in Las-Geel demonstrating that Somaliland existed thousands of years and had linkages with Ottoman Empire, ancient Egypt, the Romans, the Persians, Portuquese and late European African Partition movement. From this historical point of view, Somaliland can intensify its political and trade relations with such a great country of Turkey. In the meantime Somaliland has very apparent potential Extractive Industries that can generate significantly to country’s economic development and immediate recovery from the ruins of wars of 1982-1990. Somaliland is able to look forward with any bilateral partnership and trade relations because this is a peaceful and secure environment that multinational investors can explore various productive clusters. To this end, it is undeniable that Somaliland devoted in building a society on peace, democratic and liberty, the variety of opinions demonstrating the political maturity of the opposition parties and ruling party to argue some of the issues, and this is indispensible in every democratic nation to debate and contradict but this is unusual in the African context particularly the IGAD countries, and this is where democratic nations like Turkey required to congratulate and support in such a great deal of efforts made by the people of Somaliland. Therefore, any country that respects the desires of the people of Somaliland and their freedom assembly being independent sovereign state, indeed is not only helping Somalilander but helping entire world specially Africa to be more independent nations, nations who rely on their own efforts, civilization and heritage. Mohamed A. Mohamoud (Barawaani) Independent Researcher and Horn African Analysist, Author of various academic papers about Somaliland and Somalia: Email: mohamed.diiriye@gmail.com

Somaliland:Turkish Relations – Can be both Historical Restoration and Geopolitical Dynamic in the Horn of Africa By Mohamed A. Mohamoud (Barawaani) 21 November- 2013 1. Introduction Somaliland – Turkish relations has raised nowadays for two main intentions, first and foremost, Turkish seems to be dedicated to revive its historical empiricism, in East Africa particularly Somaliland which Ottoman Empire left architectural legacy, in many important places of the coastal areas in Somaliland. Second Somaliland appeared to be one of the strategic horizons in the Horn of Africa that the successive its colonial powers had done little or neglected during African partition and all the way post- colonial and post – tyranny – conflict recovery period. In addition, this relationship commenced directly between Somaliland and Turkish and it has no motive other than promoting co-operation and political ties between the two countries, after Somaliland has reasserted its sovereignty and political independence in 1991. There were some misconceptions in the Muslim world about Somaliland withdrawal of the failed union in 1960 where yet a number of rigid notions apparently become visible across many Muslim countries, in particularly Arab League nations. Moreover, these bilateral relations explicitly decreasing in this existed phobia which indicating that some Muslim countries detested the people of Somaliland because of their choices of self- determination. Since the inception of the Turkey journey to Africa – especially Somaliland territory where Turkey has embarked upon historical relations with the Republic of Somaliland in between 16-17 centuries during the Ottoman Empire. In the meantime there are some raising questions among diplomatic and social spheres which mostly are optimistic and showing credible signals, there is a sense of social fatigue in pursuant of conventional aid modalities which neither contribute viable employment activities nor the poor infrastructure in the country, therefore, Turkish approach which not yet tested but anticipated to deliver pragmatic patterns of advanced development modalities and economic development. Turkey – Ottoman Empire had widely approached Somaliland coastal area around sixteenth century and the footprint yet to be visible in different places, many Muslim countries are recently seem to be entertaining a dual track policy to deal with both Somaliland and Somalia, where most west countries have already pursued dual track policy and appreciated Somaliland to remain peaceful and democratic nation. Despite the recently Obama’s Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Miss. Linda Thomas has lately announced that U.S. dual track policy discarded which indeed is hasty diplomatic and impractical decision considering the strategic long-term partnership between Somaliland and US government. However, Somaliland itself to forging mutual relationship with Muslim countries around the world as Turkey –UAE, Kuwait and Sucadi Arabia may pave the way the Islamic political maturity. Noting the long regime of Egypt led by the first ousted President Mr. Mubarik had manipulated both in African Union, Arab league and Muslim countries, regarding the case of Somaliland sovereign state. Thus, the Turkey gradual policy should bring Somaliland to showcase many its positive elements including Somaliland’s state building enterprise, resilience and commitment to accomplish international recognition, the context of contemporary political and economic development in Somaliland is more pragmatic chain that can contend any signs of vulnerability and fragmentation. t1 2. Importance of the pursuant of Somaliland and Turkish Relations In the onset of the President of the Republic of Somaliland visited to Turkey where he supposed to meet the Prime Minister –Erdogan but for health reasons of the Prime Minister that meeting did not occur where the president met the deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, it was a type of diplomatic maneuvering Somaliland to approach one of the international Muslim powers – Turkey who last decades intensified its hard and soft power. Aftermath of that meeting the Turkey accelerated its policies and interventions in Somaliland and Turkish government clearly understood that Somaliland and Somalia are two African countries shared unworkable history for three decades, and then disbanded. One of the press statements issued by the Office of the Turkish President Abdullah Gul is highlighting his government commitment and good treatment with both sides. Office of Presidency of the Republic of Turkey delivered following statement: – The three Presidents discussed how to overcome the current conflicts between Somalia and Somaliland, reviewed Turkey-Africa relations which have considerably gained momentum in recent years and tackled other regional issues during their talks which Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu also attended. This meeting between Presidents Gül, Mohamud and Silanyo is regarded as the first step toward the resolution of the existing problems between the two African countries by means of dialogue and good will. As far as the above statement has enlightened, if Ankara government fosters its bilateral development activities and diplomatic relations with Hargeysa, and if the mindset of the Turkish leadership believes and behaves the fact that Somaliland and Somalia are two African countries, the Gul, and Erdogan will rapidly attain the sociability and overwhelming support from Somaliland on issues towards the establishment of economic and trade cooperation between two countries. However, the frequently visits of Somaliland President to Turkey and having seen unanimity of the Turkish leadership cordial receptive of President of the Republic of Somaliland marked complete revive of historical ties . In the inception of the talks there was a great doubt that Turkish government is not impartial over the case of Somaliland and Somalia dialogue as many Muslim countries misconceived the issues of the two sides. Thus, the outcome of the discourse and equal treatment of the Turkish government may influence the sociological and psychological thinking of the people of Somaliland since many countries on the world are inflexible to exam the arguments of Somaliland being independent sovereign state. On the other hand there are many countries which are realistic and sympathetic Somaliland to remain independent sovereign and democratic nation because it was revealed that Somaliland is reliable international partner that deserves to be elevated. Nevertheless, the new important multilateral actors such as Turkey would able to advance how international attention towards Somaliland and Somalia must be balanced since Somaliland deserves to be rewarded and recognized following its two decades of peaceful successive democratic leadership, resilience and freedom of expression. Somaliland has strong observation the contradictory tendencies that would likely occur since the international community is attempting to forcibly install a government in Mogdisho. Indeed, this political emphasis of the Turkish government is an indication parties to peacefully end their dissolution by attaining long lasting two state solutions, signing the Ankara agreement reiterated the international community to fully comply the aspiration and the self –determination of the people of Somaliland. Moreover, this Turkish effort is creating atmosphere that international diplomatic community can pursue the realism of Somaliland’s nationhood historical perspective and self –reliance; Turkish met many impediments working in Somalia regarding the damage of its embassy in Mogdisho and members of the development workers and it can be associated the weak and vulnerable type of state in Mogadisho but in Somaliland Turkish can extensively enlarge its strategic co-operation throughout Somaliland whether political or trade deals.

Its to divert the current crisis of Somalia, there is no such thing as a cold war , cold wars are quarrels between equals Somalia and Somaliland as it currently exist are not equals.Somalia is in a political and constitutional crisis the resignation of the bank governor. Followed by the crisis between the president and prime minister, followed by homicide attacks the police station attack in Hiiraan, the instability which continues to plague Somalia. And some internet warlords want to talk about a non existent cold war.Somalia and Somaliland live in 2 complete different worlds what happens in Somalia it has no effect on Somaliland whats so ever.

You are wrong galaydh controls khatumo he is the supreme leader axmed karaash gave into the demands of abdismad ali shire and puntland. Both president indhosheel and galaydh condemned abdisimad shire, the militia in taleex are under control of karaash, but he does not own them, indhosheel has militia in buhoodle trust me galaydh can fire karaash when ever he wants

Wasiirka Kalluumaysiga Oo Si Diirran Loogu Soo Dhaweeyay Laas-qoray November 20th, 2013 Weftiga Wasiirku waxay Agab kala duwan u qeybiyeen kalluumaysatada reer Laas-qoraywasiirka-cusub-ee-kalluumaysiga Laasqoray (Somaliland.Org)- Wasiirka Wasaaradda Kalluumaysiga iyo khayraadka Badaha Somaliland Mudane Cali Jaamac Faarax (Buurreed) oo uu weheliyo Agaasimaha guud ee wasaaraddaasi Maxamed Aadan Cilmi (Ilkacase) ayaa maanta si diirran loogu soo dhaweeyay degmadda Laasqoray ee gobolka Sanaag,waxaanu noqday Wasiirkii u horreeyay ee muddo sanado ah halkaasi booqda. Wasiirka iyo weftigiisa oo socdaal xog ogaal noqoshada xaalada guud ee xeebaha ku maraya xeebaha goboladda Saaxil iyo Sanaag. Wasiirka kalluumaysiga iyo weftigiisa waxa maanta si diiran ugu soo dhaweeyay degmadda Laas-qoray maamulka, waxgaradka iyo boqolaal qof oo ka mid ah dadweynaha ku dhaqan degmadaasi. Wasiirka Wasaaradda Kalluumaysiga iyo khayraadka Badaha Somaliland Mudane Cali Jaamac Faarax (Buurreed) oo meel fagaare ah kala hadlay dadweynaha ayaa uga mahad celiyay sida waddaniyada leh ee shacbiga degmadaasi ku qaabileen weftigiisa, waxaanu uga waramay qorsheyaasha horumarineed ee xukuumadda Madaxweyne Siilaanyo ee uu ka tirsan yahay ugu tallo gashay inay ka fuliso degmooyinka barriga Sanaag. Wasiirku waxa uu intaas ku daray inay xukuumadda Somaliland ka go’an tahay inay wax ka qabato adeegyadda daruuriga ah ee bulshadu u baahan tahay iyo taabo-gelinta kaabeyaasha dhaqaalahaba. Sidoo kale, waxa Wasiirka iyo Agaasimaha Guud ee wasaaradda Kalluumaysigu ay kulan la yeesheen kalluumaysatada wadaniga ah, waxaanay uga sheekeeyeen siyaasadda xukuumadda oo ay xuseen inay dhiiri gelinayso sidii loo tayayn lahaa, loona xoojin lahaa xirfadleyaasha kalluumaysatada waddaniga ah. Wasiirka iyo Weftigiisu waxay kalluumaysatada gudoon siiyay agab kalluumaysi oo ay ugu tallo-galeen inay ay ku shaqaystaan kalluumaysatada reer Laasqoray. Geesta kalena, waxay weftigu booqdeen dekadda Magaaladda Laasqoray oo ay sheegeen in dawladda Somaliland qorshaheeda dhow ku jirto sidii dib loogu furi lahaa marsaddii Laas-qoray, waxaanu dadweynaha iyo waxgaradkii ay la kulmeen ku booriyeen inay xukuumadda kala shaqeeyaan dhinaca sugida ammaanka iyo horumarinta. waxa kale oo ay booqdeen warshad Kalluun oo ku taalla magaaladaas.

Says themselves, and i can speak for them and they can speak for me after all we are one and the same.

Khaatumo will eventually re integrate with Somaliland there is not much left. Khatumo is one segment of the garaad clan who are dissatisfied the garaad clan are by default peoples of Somaliland. I believe the Somaliland government should meet their needs, in that order Somaliland will become more stronger more vibrant allinclusive every Somalilander counts.No contradictions at all, but our pirate friends next door are interfering in their affairs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01jvhng I used the program u used ibtisam but it seems i can open the program and its working but the Muslim Emperor is not there only 3 minutes Give me the link u watched.

http://www.togdheernews.com/v2/?p=59113

Cali khalif needs to fire Axmed karaash

This is part of the politics of Somaliland and Somalia and the region, take it or leave it

Ibtisam thanks inader i will do that

People are to harsh on the Somali Kenyans, kenya was an entity indeed created by the English the Somalis lived in that entity all their lives they have never been conquered by other ethnic groups, they were never put under a Kenyan empire by other Kenyans. They fought for Somali nationalism for what it was and because of that they were punished by other Kenyans who considered the Somali Kenyans their own people and their own countrymen. I believe if the Luos wanted to be united with Uganda they would face the same repercussions. The Somali Kenyans tried their best to fight for Somali nationalism but it failed both the Somalis in the than Somali republic and the Somali Kenyans failed to unite. Now the Somali Kenyans have given up on that and are fighting for their rights with in the Kenyan society. Its hard when your country of Birth Kenya is battling your ethnic Kins across the border and you are accused by others of harboring alshabaab.This seems to be a problem but what can be done if Somali Kenyans unite and fight together for their rights in Kenya and get a fair piece of the pie.

One of the 3 Presidents of Khatumo is a secret agent for the Garowe clan enclave. KHAATUMO WILL PREVAIL November 18, 2013 By Ibrahim Ahmed Musse-Qaadiriye The representatives of Khaatumo people are no longer be selected by Puntland or Somaliland, but higher consul of the Sool elders. Ahmed-karaash has betrayed his own people and sold his soul. It is naïf to believe that those who betray their own, wont betray you as well. Khatumo-3 conference will be held at the historical town of Taleex before at the end of this year- 2013. The G10 will provide focus and the framework to structure Khaatumo state. They will manage and define the way and how to govern. KhaatumoKhatumo State is created to serve solely the needs of the civilians in the SSC region and to work on developing a peaceful region that brings the international community to have closer ties to the people of the region. Khaatumo State of Somalia want to have strong working ties with the federal government of Somalia. We are fully aware of that both the semi autonomic regions of Somaliland and Puntland governments have waged a campaign to prevent the NGO`s to reach Buuhoodle, Las-anod and Erigabo regions for their own interest. We are hoping this plot against SSC people will end. We have seen that Somaliland and Puntland have joined forces and strategic desire to concur or capture the SSC regions in order to look good on the political arena or explore the natural resources of the regions. But Somaliland and Puntland leaders has overlooked or doesn`t understand the crucial conditions of every investor. Any investor would be looking for four factors: presence of commercial opportunities, conducive investment environment, rule of law and stability-predictability of the conditions. The essential factor for foreign investors is that there should be the rule of law in the country that they invest in. The investors need to know that their investment is safe, and their legal rights are protected in the country. We have seen that Oil exploration companies are moving out of Somaliland and Puntland. We will contact the Turks oil companies and ask them if they understand the gravity of the problem and tell them, only we” the Khaatumo government can give the permission to explore our regions. Without the consent of Khatumo there will be no predictability of the conditions, and the rules of the game may change after all their calculations.

Disagreed, he did not even put together an argument how could he even disagree with oodweyne, oodweyne wrote a well formulated part where he breaks it down how Somalia failed, the core causes of how the state collapsed and who was responsible for it and this infuriated Malistar and Dalmar who than responded with pictures, and refused to address oodweyne's points.

The pitch looks very good

Actually Somalilandish is very superior to the language they speak in Koonfuristan

i will give u a cookie

I dont care if he died i care about the program i wanna watch the Muslim Emperors of Europe. So i am not able to watch it any where on the net, thats bad

The fact the money goes to Somaliland and not Somalia and the training's go to the Somaliland anti terrorism forces. Tells you a few things about the reality on the ground, but than again the Koonfurians do not much care about on the realities on the ground. But more on the diplomatic formal correctness Foreign nations use,psychologically it gives the koonfurians hope. So who are we to take away that hope.

Amisom Oo Saacid Xarig Ugu Hanjabtay Hadii Uusan Is-Casilana Ku Wargelisay Wadadii Farmaajo In La Marsiinayo:Qalinkii:T Wednesday, 20 November 2013 04:03 asaacidamisom.jpg - 76.80 Kb Kooxaha Da**adiid iyo HAG ee la taliya Madaxweyne Xasan Culusoow ayaa sheeko cusub la yimid,kadib marii ay Generaladda Ugaandhiiska ah ee AMISOM ka tirsan ay u adeegsadeen inay ku cabsi-galiyaan Reysalwasaare Saacid-Jaceyl inuu is-casilo. Generaladan Ugaandhiiska oo caawa Madaxtooyadda kulan fool ka fool ah la qaatay Reysalwasaare Saaciud ayuu u qabtay muddo 72-saac ah inuu is-casilo,hadii uu diidana inuu marayo wadadii Reysalwasaarihii hore ee Soomaaliya Farmaajo oo si qasab ah looga qaaday xilkii Reysalwasaaraha,xiligaas oo Farmaaho uu ka diiday Madaxweynihii hore ee Sheekh Shariif. top-secret1_3466459.jpg - 13.16 Kb Reysalwasaare Saacid ayaa ku adkeystay inuusan is-casileyn wuxuuna Generaladda Amisom ee u hanjabay ku wargeliyay inuu yahay muwaadin Soomaaliyeed laguna cadaadin karin inuusan is-casilin. Xildhibaano Beesha u ka tirsanyahay raisal wasaaruhu oo Shacabkamedia khadka Teleefoonka kula xiriiray ayaa noo xaqiijiyay inay ku guuldareysteen inay Saacid ka dhaa-dhiciyaan si uu xilkiisa u joogo inuu Wasiiradda Arimaha Dibadda Fawziyo iyo Wasiirka Madaxtooyadda Faarax-Sakiin inuu ku soo daro Liiska Wasiiradda-cusub,isagana uu xilka Reysalwasaaraha hayo muddo 6-bilood ah,isna casilo Bisha Apriil 2014-ka. Reysalwasaare Saacid-Jaceyl ayaa ku xilo-furay inuusan 2-daas Wasiir Golaha Wasiiradda ku daraynin,balse wuxuu aqbalay muddo 6-bilood kadib inuu si sharaf leh isagoo aan lagu qasbin is-casilaad uu is-casilo. Madaxweynaha Dawladda Federaalka iyo Xertiisa Da**adiid iyo HAG ayaa ku adkeysanaya in Saaacid,maadaama uu diiday 2-daas Wasiir inuu ku soo daro Golaha Wasiiradda,inuu is-casilo lacago hadiyad ah oo 1-Malyan oo Doolarna la siiyo,xaaskiisana looga dhigo Wasiiradda Haweenka iyo Arimaha Qoyska Qaar ka mid ah Xildhibaanadda Beesha u ka so jeedo raisal wasaaruhu aan khadka Teleefoonka kula xiriirnay ayaa noogu sir-waramay in Saacid ay u badan-tahay inuu is-casilo inta sheekadu gaarin Barako-Ma-leh,maadaama Xerda Da**adiid iyo HAG ay markan isticmaalayaan Kaarka Amisom,waxaana cadaatay Ugandha iyo Burundi iyo 2-daan Kooxood ee Madaxweynaha la taliya inay ka wada dhaxayso wada-shaqeyn marba hadii Reysalwasaare Saacid loo hanjabayo inuu si qasab ah isku casilo inii Muqdisho laga masaafurin lahaa isagoo garbaduub u xiran. Shacabkamedia

No one knows isnt it on youtube?