I wanna know exactly how long the SL government wants to lease the berbera port i know bollore is interested but SL should not go for long term leasing the port not more than 15 years.

Federalism might have been a short term solution but it kills the idea of citizens ship of a state we see it in lower shabelle lower jubba places of mixed Clans. Tribal federalism will eventually lead to further fragmentation. It might work for Puntland because Puntland is more homogeneous one clan and before Colonialism that part of the Somalia was part of the Maguartiania Sultanate. But what about a person from galguduud mudug hiiraan Banadir lower shabelle middle shabelle middle jubba etc. Puntland already introduced its own identification cards if every other region does that Somalia will not exist as a nation but as a lose country confederated between local Tribal Presidents and flags.

Dhagayso:Madaxweynaha Khaatumo Insha Sheel Oo Silama Filaana Uga Naxsaday Maamulka Gaas & Arimaha Taleex Oo UU Ka Hadlay Madaxwaynaha Maamulka Khaatumo Mudane Maxamed Yuusuf Jaamac Indhosheel oo Kusugan Magaalada Taleex ayaa Wuxuu Goor Dhowayd Ka hadlay Arimo Dhowr Ah. HALKAN RIIX DHAGAYSO CODKA Madaxwaynaha Ayaa Ugu Horayn Ka hadlay Xaalada Magaalada Taleex, Shaqaaqo Mudo Kooban Dhexmartay Dhalin yaro, Markii Danbana Ay Xidh Xidheen wax Garadku Deegaanku & Faah Faahin La Xidhiidha. Sidoo kale Madaxwayne Indhosheel Ayaa Wuxuu Ka hadlay Hadalka Aan loo Meel Dayin ee Kasoo Baxay Maamulka Garoowe, Wuxuuna Sheegay In Shacabka khatumo Isku Filanyihiin Islamarkaana Aan loo Baahnayn Faragelin Iyo La Siyaasadeedo Waxa yar ee Ka Dhex Dhaca Da Walaalo Ah. http://horufadhi.com/2014/02/19/dhagaysomadaxweynaha-khaatumo-insha-sheel-oo-silama-filaana-uga-naxsaday-maamulka-gaas-arimaha-taleex-oo-uu-ka-hadlay/

War Deg Deg Ah: Dagaal Khasaare Gaystay Oo Hadda Ka Socda Degmada Taleex dagaalkan oo salka ku haya aanno qabiil oo ka dhaxeysa labada beelood ee wada dagaallamaya Taleex (GNA)-Wararka annu ka heleyno degmada Taleex ee gobolka Sool ayaa waxay sheegayaan in halka uu ka socdo dagaal oo la sheegay inuu u dhaxeeyo beelo halka wada dagga. Dagaalka oo la sheegay inuu wali socda waxaa la sheegay dhinacyada dagaallamaya inay isku gaysteen khasaaro dhimasho iyo dhaawac leh,balse ma jiro ilaa hadda cid xaqiijisey inta uu la egyahay khasaaraha dagaalkan ka dhashey. Wararka ayaa intaa ku daraya in dagaalka uu salka ku hayo aanno qabiil oo ka dhaxeysa labada beelood ee wada dagaallamay. Ilaa hadda xukuumada Somaliland kamay hadda dagaalkaa halkaa ka dhacay Waxii dagaalkan ka soo kordha kala soco shabaka caalamig ah ee GabileY News

I have said before on these boards that ethno nationalism was destine to fail with in the Somali state because Somali nationalism was conceived on weak principles, Somali state hood was easily undermined just by tribal grievances. Somalis never had a common shared history a shared a plight which could bind them together as under one unified nation the 1960 union was mostly a union conceived on emotions it didn't last long. The tribal nature of Somalis is not the only problem ironically Somalis all seem to be proud of their Somali heritage and culture, but the moment politics and sharing a nation or a state is presented to them they become all waranles like 3 centuries ago all carrying their waran trying to strangle their tribal opponents in the wilderness. I wonder if the African union troops leave who would be the dominating factor in Somalia the international community does not want nature to be nature Somalis have created a parallel strength of structure which makes it impossible for ever to be a dominating factor. Another obstacle in the whole nation forming of the nomadic Somalis, who are the founding fathers of the Somali state or even from a historic point of view some say ina cabdulla xassan but half of the Somalis in Southern Somalia have never heard of him The former regime tried to illiterate him as a Somali nationalist,But Most Somalis of today who can read a few books will figure out he had more in-common with today's shabaab. Or Imam Axmed Guray but even he might have been an ethnic Somali , but the man was more situated in Seylac and Harar and waged a jihad against the Abyssinians not like a Somali national but as a Muslim fanatic and the adal empire at that time had so many ethnics living there.The closest Somalis and in this case Somalis from Somalia is the SYL. But even in post war Somalia no one really hold them in high regard.

WHERE IS SOMALIA’S QAZI? February 19, 2014 By Abdi Farah Laqan In August 1920, in the aftermath of the 1st World War, the victorious allied nations met in Sevres, just outside Paris, to sign a treaty that dictated the partition of Anatolia (present day Turkey), which had been the seat of the defeated Othman empire. To make things worse, large chunks of the Turkish homeland were given to historical enemies of Turkey. A region in the west was to become part of Greece. Eastern provinces would become a new Armenian state. A region in the south would be given to the Kurds. Russia, Italy, France, and Britain grabbed the most productive parts of the land for themselves. What was left for the Turks was a rocky expanse in central Anatolia with no access to the Aegean or the Mediterranean seas. This was not to be. What the allied nations failed to grasp was the resolve of the Turkish people in general and the man who emerged as their leader in particular. Enter Mustafa Kemal Ataturk Mustafa Kemal first emerged as a military hero in 1915 in the protracted battle of the Gallipoli Peninsula. The British, who considered the Turks incapable of resistance, undertook a massive marine landing at the beaches of Gallipoli in order to capture Istanbul. Nearly eight months later the Allied troops (Britain, Australia, and New Zealand) retreated after suffering massive casualties. Forty-four thousand Allied troops died in the failed attempt to capture Gallipoli. Twice that number of Turks died defending it. Mustafa Kemal came out of the war a national hero. But what made Mustafa Kemal a legend was his dogged determination to stop the planned dismemberment of his country. Using the Sevres Treaty as a rallying cry, he organized and led a rebellion against the occupying powers. And against all odds, Mustafa Kemal and his clique of guerrillas managed to kick all foreign troops out of Turkey. After this huge triumph, the historic title of “Qazi” (reserved for great warriors and defenders of the faith) was bestowed on Mustafa Kemal. For the rest of his life Mustafa Kemal was known as “Qazi Pasha” or simply the Qazi. Today, it’s Somalia that is in danger of being dismembered. There are so many regions (of Somalia) that claim to be either autonomous or independent, so much so that I lost count. MogadishuThe demise of united Somalia is evident in the emergence of multiple mini-states, each one of them being the creation of a dominant clan in a geographical area. To survive, these clan fiefdoms stumble over each other seeking protection, as puppet mini-states, from Somalia’s neighboring countries, two of which (Ethiopia and Kenya), I suspect, have sinister motives in Somalia. It’s significant to note that these two countries have a long-standing mutual defense pact dating back to 1964 and renewed twice in 1980 and 1987. Perhaps it’s because of this defense pact that both maintain troops in certain regions of Somalia. It’s not far-fetched to surmise that, at best, they want to keep Somalia weak and divided or, at worst, annex parts of it. At this juncture, there is no central authority that has the moral capacity or the fortitude to lead and govern a united Somalia. The so-called Federal Government controls (with the help of foreign troops) no more than few blocks in Mogadishu. The current leadership is no different than those who came before them. Like their predecessors, they are nothing more than kleptocrats, eager to loot the meager sums of aid money donated by the international community to sustain the Somali people. After they stash enough cash in international banks they leave office, move out of the country and settle in foreign countries, leaving behind destitute citizenry. In Somalia, things are so broken that even those who have a shred of integrity left in them are swept in a clannish tide that never seems to recede. We’re continuously fighting among ourselves – clan against clan, sub-clan against sub-clan – that we seem not to know what it means to be a citizen of a country, any country. Even those of us who lead successful lives in North America and Europe, with college education and professional jobs are not immune to the toxicity of parochial views disseminated by clan propaganda machines. We seem to be always in the grip of clan sectarianism from which we can’t untangle ourselves, regardless of how hard we try. Even the best-intentioned of us, who may be inclined to believe in the sacrosanctity of united Somalia, find it almost impossible to shake this curse. Think about it, every time a new government is installed in Muqdisho, Hargeysa, Garowe, or any of the other autonomous entities, the first thing that every Somali, anywhere in the world, wants to find out is the clan composition of the new government. Qabiil1It appears that at every step of the way, clan loyalty trumps nationhood. Sure, we all claim that we belong to the nation of Somalia. But, seriously, who are we kidding? We all know that we’re hardwired to pledge allegiance to our respective clans first and foremost, with the idea of nationhood relegated to a distant second. So I ask you, what is the sense of having a national flag if no one is willing to fight for it? Why assemble a national army if the soldier who is supposed to defend the homeland would rather die fighting in a clan war. Why pretend to form a national government knowing that it’s based on a diabolical formula – the wicked 4.5 principle – which continually divides the Somali people into clans and sub-clans. The truth is we cannot be a viable nation while holding on to the misguided notion that clan lineage is paramount to the basic idea of nationhood. Yet that is exactly what is happening. Every (so-called) government constituted in Somalia in the last two decades has been formulated on clan basis. The problem is that there are far too many clans and subclans to share the limited number of senior positions, and every clan or subclan expects to be represented in the government. This, of course, is impossible since there is only one president, one prime minister, and a handful of ministerial positions. It’s only natural, given the limited supply of positions, that some clans will go empty-handed. Not being able to meet the political expectations of every clan is a problem that has no solution. As long as there are clans or sub-clans who feel that they have not received their equitable representation in the government, the stability of the government, any government in Somalia, will remain an unattainable dream. Perhaps that is why we have tens of thousands of foreign troops stationed in the country to prop up the clannish (and weak) government in Mogadishu. It is unfortunate that President Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud fails to understand the futility of trying to pacify the population by military force, and a foreign one at that. That didn’t work for Sheikh Sharif or Abdullahi Yusuf either. Given the succession of bad leaders that Somalia had over the last twenty-some years, it is easy to conclude that the country is beyond repair; that the people are too polarized to find common ground; and that the genie of tribalism is out of the bottle and cannot be recaptured. That is all true to some extent, but it is wrong to assume that the situation is irreversible. The question is whether Somalia has the good fortunes to produce someone (among its sons and daughters) who can do for Somalia what Mustafa Kemal had done for Turkey. Let us hope so.

These are tribal elders and these are traditional tribal elders i am talking about a parliament of Elders an upper parliament the senate

Dr osman what is happening in Turkey is between Somalia and Somaliland and not between Somalilanders u will never see Somalilanders being reconciled in a Foreign capital. Somalia and Somaliland 23 year dispute was a dialogue initiated by the international community . But u will never see Somaliland leaders being told to reconcile by Kenya or Ethiopia or Egypt or Ugandans or Turks. Guurti elders are a political institution Dr osman they are not just normal tribal elders, they are the upper parliament , even Somalia wants a guurti chamber of house. Guurti elders the upper parliament of SL

Dr osman its a different waraabe though lets not confuse the warabes lol Fighting in parliament happens every where in the world but in Somaliland the guurti the upper parliament take their responsibility to solve every dispute in Parliament even when it comes to a government dispute in parliament a tribal conflict between clans everything its a very effective institution of Somaliland. In Somaliland the elders of Somaliland in the guurti spared the people of Somaliland the humiliation to go foreign capitals and be mediated and forced to reconcile in Kampala addis ababa cairo. Every dispute is solved from with in and that indeed is the beauty of the Somaliland republic.

This is the beauty of the Somaliland republic all problems have home grown solutions we thank the Somaliland elders of the Guurti Xaaji cabdi karim waraabe who forced both camps to compromise well done Somaliland elders the people of Somaliland are proud of you.

Golaha Guurtida oo soo Gabo-gabeeyay Khilaafkii Golaha Wakiiladda February 19th, 2014 Golaha wakiiladdaHargeysa (Somaliland.Org)-Fadhigii golaha wakiilada oo uu shirgudoominayey gudoomiyaha golaha wakiilada Somaliland Mudane C.raxmaan Maxamed C.laahi Cirro ayaa Maanta ka Qabsoomay Xarunta Golahaasi isla Markaana laga soo saaray Go’aano Xal u noqonaya Murankii Cakirnaa ee Ka Dhex Jiray Aqalka Wakiilada . Ku Simaha Gudoomiyaha Golaha Guurtida ahna Gudoomiye ku Xigeenka 1aad ee Golahaasi Mudane Siciid Jaamac Cali ayaa Madashii fadhigaasi ka Akhriyay Go’aan ay ka soo saareen Hawshii dhex dhexaadinta ahayd ee Gudida Guurtidu ku hawlanayd . Xaaji Cabdi Xuseen “C.waraabe” oo Fadhigaasi Hadal dheer ka soo Jeediyay ayaa Mudanayaasha Golaha Wakiilada hoga Tusaaleeyay Xilka dal iyo dadba taabanaya ee ay u hayaan Somaliland, Waxa uu Xaaji Cabdi Xuseen Sheegay in Go’aanka ay Gudi ahaan Soo Saareen Cida ku Guulaysataa ay Noqonayso Cidii Tanaasul samaysa ee Qaraarkooda ajiibta. Markaas kadib Waxaa Mikirifoonka la Wareegay Ku Simaha Gudoomiyaha Golaha Guurtida ahna Gudoomiye ku Xigeenka 1aad ee Golahaasi Mudane Siciid Jaamac Cali Waxaanu Xildhibaanada Golaha Wakiilada ka hor akhriyay Nuxurka Go’aanka ay ku soo afjareen Khilaafkii ka dhex taagnaa Mudanayaasha Golaha Wakiilada kaas oo uu ku sheegay in Tirada lagu ridi karo Xubnaha Shirgudoonka oo ka Kooban Gudoomiyaha iyo labadiisa ku Xigeen ay ka dhigeen 42 Cod Midkiiba, Sidoo kale Waxa uu ku Cadeeyay Qaraarka dhex dhexaadineed inaan la keeni Karin Golaha Mooshin ku saabsan Xil ka qaadis lagu sameeyo Xubnaha Shirgudoonka Mudada ka hadhay Xilkooda,hadii aanay ka Hor Iman Xeer hoosaadkooda. Si kastaba ha ahaatee, fadhigii golaha wakiilada ayaa lasoo xidhay iyadoo labada garabba ay aqbaleen go’aanka guurtida golaha wakiilada Somaliland. Gudoomiyaha golaha wakiilada Mudane C.raxmaan Maxamed C.laahi Cirro ayaa Gaba Gabadii Waxa uu ku dhawaaqay in Golaha wakiiladu fasax Lana Bilood ahi uu Maanta u bilaabmay.

Madaxweynaha Somaliland Oo la kulmay Shirgudoonka Wakiiladda iyo Guurtida February 19th, 2014 Comments Off IMG_0013HARGEYSA (Somaliland.Org)-Madaxweynaha Somaliland Mudane Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) ayaa maanta qaabilay Gudoomiyaha Golaha wakiiladda Md. C/Raxmaan Maxamed Cabdilaahi iyo labadiisa gudoomiye Ku xigeen, ka dib markii lagu wada qancay go’aamadii Golaha Guurtidu ugu tallo galeen in lagu soo afjaro khilaafkii aqalka wakiiladda labada garab u kala qeybiyay. Kulankaasi ka dibna waxa ay dhinacyadii isku diidanaa Mooshinada ee u kala baxay labada garab iyo Xubno ka mid ah guurtida oo ay hogaaminayaan Xaaji Cabdi Xuseen Yuusuf (Cabdi Waraabe) iyo Gudoomiyaha Golaha WakiiladaMudane Cabdiraxmaan Maxamed Cabdilaahi (Cirro), iyo Labada Gudoomiye ku xigeen ee Baashe Maxamed Faarax iyo Cali Yuusuf ay go’aankaasi ka dib u soo kicitimeen Qasriga Madaxtooyada iyaga oo madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyada Somaliland la socodsiiyey go’aamadii lagu heshiiyey laguna soo afgaray khilaafkii u dhexeeyey ee ay isku hayeen labada garab ee Wakiiladu. Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyada Somaliland Mudane, Axmed Maxamed Silaanyo oo kulankaasi kadib waxa uu soo dhaweeyey go’aanka la isla qaatay waxaanu sheegay inuu ka madaxweyne ahaan soo dhawaynaayo wax walba oo ay meel isla dhigeen Labada golle, ka madaxweyne ahaana uu diyaar marwalba u yahay wixii danta ummadda iyo ta Qarankuba ay ku jirto, isaga oo madaxweynuhu uga mahadnaqay go’aanka qiimaha badan ee ay ku soo afjareen golaha guurtidu hawshaasi. Qodobada ay Guurtida iyo wakiiladu isla qaatay ayaa waxay ahaayeen. 1.In Saddexda Gudoomiye la isugu keeno 42 Cod. 2.In iyaga oo shaqadooda gaba-maahee in aanay meesha iman wax mooshin ah oo lagu ridaayo sadexdooda midna. 3. In Goluhu fasax ahaado inta ka dhiman fasixii ay ku jireen ee la isla qaatay. Somaliland.Org/Hargeysa

Osman again ur argument is flawed if u believe that only a couple of paid soldiers and politicians is keeping eastern sool and central sool with SL u are wrong this is laascanood during the political rallies are u saying SL paid all of these people Tilamook tell that to reer Khatumo who says other wise Dr osman dawasho wacan laascanood cali sandulles welcome

Detoore osman has not presented one argument his whole argument was that the people of sool will pick Puntland over Somaliland , when we all know the vast majority of the people of sool decided to share a country with their fellow kin and people in Somaliland. And kicked out Puntland out of their city in 2007 now the others who have grievances against SL formed ssc and Khatumo ssc joined Somaliland and khatumo is about to merge with SL , puntland holds not a single town in sool , Taleex and boocame are under Khatumo militia , the res tof sool is under Somaliland. If detoore is telling the truth that the people of sool wanted to be part of Puntland they would have alligned themselves with the pirates long time ago , and thats not the case. Puntland interrupted and undermined their conference not that long ago and waged a war against them.

sool has a few Elders and leaders all claim that sool is not Puntland so where do u get from that Sool is Puntland and if it was Puntland , where is their leadership in sool?

Some say its a clan conflict wixi jira ba wala maqli doona

Mooge galaydh said he has no problem with puntland he will talk to Puntland but they have to talk to Khatumo as a whole , but he said that Puntland divided the khatumites by picking karaash and biindhe he said abdi cawar is no better than faroole, and remains hostile towards khatumo. He said abdi cawar needs to acknowledge Khatumo and we will sit on the table as Khatumo, not as the garaad clan. He said Khatumites are not Puntlanders. SNM is not hoping anything but its watching it from a distance. What i dont understand Moooge u lot claim to be related to the Garaad clan , how hard is to accept and recognize Khatumo as a stake holder if u pirates wanted to make it difficult for SL all u had to do is support Khatumo aid it against Somaliland and later when u do that do a coupe. But kaadhkaasi wu gubtay when u guys made biindhe minister. Now everything is in favor for SL the Khatumo grievances and distrust towards the garowe clan enclave will make them closer to Somaliland politically we have already seen it in kalabaydh dharkeeyn geeyo saax dheer the south of sool already allied it self with Somaliland.

It is true Cabdilahi Yusuf was full of vengeance particularly against the Habar gangster clan who dominated the Somalia politics since 1991s. Though the 2006 war had allot of Tribal denotations and Cabdilahi Yusuf tried to destroy the only legitimate rulers of Xamar after 1991 who actually managed to make it peaceful that is the islamic courts union. I believe the vast majority reject Xabashi troops still in Somalia , but the only difference in 2007 there was another alternative the ICU , today there is no other alternative its either the Xabashi troops or alqaeda affiliated shabaan Another difference is back in 2007 there were only Xabashi troops today they are a member of the amisom mandate along side djibouti uganda burundi and siere leone. So its not only the xabashi factor.

Tillamook we shall see the conference is in march Khatumites will never allow the Garowe lords to come to their conference u know that galaydh knows that and the rest of the Somalis know that. The Garowe clan enclave has no strategy nothing all is lost. Dadka loo shirayo oo laga shirayo ba wa mammuulka budhlayn.

The garowe clan enclave is just talk detoore is saying that taleex and the garaad clan is not important in this quarrel , Faroole used force to smash their conference in taleex what will cabdi cawar do just answer me that , instead writing endless essays

Howlgallo ka socda Kismaayo iyo dad siyaabo kala duwan loo dilay Talaado, Feberaayo 18, 2014 (HOL) — Ugu yaraan toddoba qof ayaa siyaabo kala duwan loogu dilay gudaha magaalada Kismaayo, kaddib howlgallo ay maanta gudaha magaaladaas ka sameeyeen ciidamada amniga maamulka KMG ah ee Jubba. iyadoo dadkan qaarkood si bareer ah loo toogtay. Howlgalladan ayaa yimid kaddib markii xalay lagu dilay gudaha degmadaas taliyihii nabadsugidda Jubbooyinka, Ciise Kambooni kaasoo uu dilay ruux ka soo goostay Al-shabaab. Dad badan ayaa la sheegay in lagu qabqabtay howllgallada, iyadoo rasaas ay ciidamadu fureen ay ku dhinteen shan qof oo shacab ah, halka laba qof oo kalena ay toogasho ku dileen ciidamada maamulka, kuwaasoo looga shakiyay inay Al-shabaab ka tirsan yihiin. Goobjoogayaal ku sugan Kismaayo ayaa sheegay in howlgalladu ay saameyn xooggan ku yeesheen howlaha ganacsiga Kismaayo, iyagoo intaas ku daray in lagu arkayo magaalada ciidammo fara badan oo kuwa maamulka ka tirsan. “Dadka dhintay tiradooda waa toddoba qof, kuwaasoo qaarkood si bareera ah loo toogtay markii looga shakiyay inay ka tirsan yihiin Al-shabaab iyo kuwo ay ku dhacday rasaas ay ciidamadu rideen,” ayuu yiri wariyaha Radio Muqdisho uga soo warrama magaalada Kismaayo oo lagu magacaabo Aadan Kismaayo. Sidoo kale saraakiil u hadlay maamulka KMG ah ee Jubba ayaa sheegay inay faahfaahin ka bixin doonaan marka ay howlgalladu soo dhammaadaan, isla markaana dadka lagu qabqabtay lasoo saari doono maxkamad. Ugu dambeyn, saraakiisha maamulka KMG ah ee Jubba ayaa sheegay inaan mar dambe la aamini doonin xubnaha kasoo goosta Al-sbabaab ee kusoo biira maamulkooda.

Professor galaydh there is nothing for Khatumo in Mogadishu

Tilmoook hahahaha cali khalif dissagrees

Dr osman u havent addressed the core problem why would the Garaad clan want to be on the ssdf clan they have never been under the ssdf clan ever in history. Why do you think they have created Khatumo